HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies
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Let me remind you that the wage freeze of which you speak, was only a pseudo wage freeze as far as the LAME’s were concerned.
Due to some clever negotiation, the majority of LAME’s received a pay rise during the term of that EBA through point allocation.The minority that were not afforded a pay rise were those that were quota locked.
Due to some clever negotiation, the majority of LAME’s received a pay rise during the term of that EBA through point allocation.The minority that were not afforded a pay rise were those that were quota locked.
New employees did not benefit from this wage freeze but would have if 3% was built in. The base wage was frozen for 18 months and the effect of this was a stagnated wage forever. Those at the top got nothing and those who weren't capped got capped quicker.
The 18 month wage freeze wasn't that clever compared to every other union that took 12 month freezes (one hostie group 15 months).
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Wage Freeze.
Clipped & Mahatmacoat,
I am neither an employee of Qantas nor a member of the ALAEA, but have had close ties to both for many years.
It seems that some, like yourselves, prefer to live in denial than to face reality.
I am neither an employee of Qantas nor a member of the ALAEA, but have had close ties to both for many years.
It seems that some, like yourselves, prefer to live in denial than to face reality.
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Dixon will hold the line on the 3%, the managers are under pressure to keep their jobs,I think it may be on this time I dont see the guys or managment backing down.expect reactions akin the israel/palestine conflict, but apart from all that enjoy it its been brewing for a while.
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The 3% will always be the magic number that keeps Dicko and Co happy.
Its the sweetners that go along with it that make the difference. It is these that are being negotiated. The Co offer of these sweetners was simply not broad enough. Tempt the majority of LAMEs and a deal will surely be done. That is how the other unions got it over the line. No different here, we're all reasonable people.
3% plus something for all LAMEs = deal done. Simple.
Oh, did I forget, those hideous clauses must be turfed.
Its the sweetners that go along with it that make the difference. It is these that are being negotiated. The Co offer of these sweetners was simply not broad enough. Tempt the majority of LAMEs and a deal will surely be done. That is how the other unions got it over the line. No different here, we're all reasonable people.
3% plus something for all LAMEs = deal done. Simple.
Oh, did I forget, those hideous clauses must be turfed.
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XPT Case
I don’t want to be tied to a RailCorp XPT case where;
Employer always wins what ever it wants
&
Employee always looses regardless.
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Who feels safe on a train at night? Thanks to RailCorp.
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If EBA, with XPT accepted,
Who will feel safe flying anytime time day or night?
Employer always wins what ever it wants
&
Employee always looses regardless.
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Who feels safe on a train at night? Thanks to RailCorp.
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If EBA, with XPT accepted,
Who will feel safe flying anytime time day or night?
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surely the company knows the current feel and state of the eba from all of the roadshow meeting. threaten and goad any employee and their hackles will surely rise. most lames if polled would probably accept a 3X3 deal less the xpt clause and unlimited p/timers or casuals.give a dog a bone remove quotas and maybe a point or two and gd could sleep easy.
come january if the fifty percent is returned and succesful all bets are off .
like any war there will be casualties albeit acting snr or o/t requirements ,but once it makes the press and share prices fall/flts delayed and premium customers lost then where will the threats and inuendo end.
lames are not unreasonable.to be given roadshows by managers who can only quote what has been told to them and have had no dealings with the negotiations is a joke .losing your temper and publicly vilifying individuals is also abhorent.
on the 11th hour when phones ring hot and jobs are on the line stand firm.
come january if the fifty percent is returned and succesful all bets are off .
like any war there will be casualties albeit acting snr or o/t requirements ,but once it makes the press and share prices fall/flts delayed and premium customers lost then where will the threats and inuendo end.
lames are not unreasonable.to be given roadshows by managers who can only quote what has been told to them and have had no dealings with the negotiations is a joke .losing your temper and publicly vilifying individuals is also abhorent.
on the 11th hour when phones ring hot and jobs are on the line stand firm.
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Well the FC was in fine form at the eba presentation given to the loyal troops all gathered around with eyes wide shut.Would have been helpful if he understood what he was preaching could not answer the questions about the 4 hrs pay and told us that he had not lied to us in the past .
Almost thought it was JA talking to us ,oh well thats life.
Almost thought it was JA talking to us ,oh well thats life.
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This badge thing makes me think that the eba is not the main issue, people are pi@@ed off about many things and the eba is a legal way to fight back,the badges are antagonistic and will not lead to a resolution of the eba. I think we should not settle as they keep mentioning it must be settled by febuary, I read in the paper that qantas intend to anounce massive restructuring in febuary and it might be better not to be in an eba then.
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murrayatwell, nice to see someone has picked up on his real name, he seems to be a 2 dads, perhaps we could put this to good use? For instance all correspondance between the ALAEA and QANTAS could use his first surname instead.
I think all tactics need to be used to get rid of this Major A Hole
I think all tactics need to be used to get rid of this Major A Hole
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one more sleep
it feels like xmas eve early, one more sleep until the votes are tabled.for those who took the time and are genuinly concerned about their lively hoods to vote and return we thank you,whichever way you voted.for those of you who did not (not because of mailing address issues) next time grow a spine its your and your families future .
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As a side issue...
Has anyone seen the latest announcement from QF.
Starting a joint MRO in Malaysia, KL, to handle "overflow work" and customers.
Start date some time in 2008.
This announcement of an MRO and the other of a 40% profit increase are interesting coming in the middle of this EBA "negotiation". Cant help but wonder if its not a little antagonistic.
Has anyone seen the latest announcement from QF.
Starting a joint MRO in Malaysia, KL, to handle "overflow work" and customers.
Start date some time in 2008.
This announcement of an MRO and the other of a 40% profit increase are interesting coming in the middle of this EBA "negotiation". Cant help but wonder if its not a little antagonistic.
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So let me get this straight. Qantas has just bought into the same facility that caused the scribe marks and subsequent cracking of the ugly sisters!! We are going to send MORE aircraft there??
How convenient the timing. No doubt any of the Qantas maintenance facilities will have to tender for work and compete against itself. Starting to seem like a vicious union breaking cycle that Qantas has instigated.
Unable to innovate and use their own manpower efficiently they have taken the dirty tack of outsourcing to the lowest possible bidder that the 'legacy' facilities have no hope in matching because they are being set up to fail.
Let's just hope there isn't any heroes of the stock that came from Syd Heavy and helped make Avalon the "success" it is today. Not to pull any punches, but if it wasn't for you blokes, Avalon would be dead, buried, gone. Hope the year of allowances for yourselves was worth it.
Don't sell yourselves out boys, the "overflow" facility will be just a word by 2010.
Unable to innovate and use their own manpower efficiently they have taken the dirty tack of outsourcing to the lowest possible bidder that the 'legacy' facilities have no hope in matching because they are being set up to fail.
Let's just hope there isn't any heroes of the stock that came from Syd Heavy and helped make Avalon the "success" it is today. Not to pull any punches, but if it wasn't for you blokes, Avalon would be dead, buried, gone. Hope the year of allowances for yourselves was worth it.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the company would:
target the rapidly growing Asia-Pacific MRO (Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul) market, which was
expected to reach US$15 billion in sales by 2016; and
perform overflow airframe maintenance for Qantas and its subsidiary airlines.
Mr Dixon said he was confident the joint venture would create a world class and very cost competitive MRO.
“Qantas Engineering will have a significant input into the management, engineering and quality system of the
new company, which will commence operations in 2008.”
target the rapidly growing Asia-Pacific MRO (Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul) market, which was
expected to reach US$15 billion in sales by 2016; and
perform overflow airframe maintenance for Qantas and its subsidiary airlines.
Mr Dixon said he was confident the joint venture would create a world class and very cost competitive MRO.
“Qantas Engineering will have a significant input into the management, engineering and quality system of the
new company, which will commence operations in 2008.”
You didn't expect a fair fight did you?
on the AAP tonight....Qantas, Malaysian Airlines sign MoU
Wednesday Dec 19 18:16 AEDT
Qantas has signed a joint venture agreement with a subsidiary of Malaysian Airlines, MAS Aerospace Engineering (MAE), to establish a company to provide airframe maintenance services from Malaysia.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the company would target the rapidly growing Asia-Pacific maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) market, which is expected to reach $US15 billion ($A17.48 billion) in sales by 2016.
Mr Dixon said the company would perform overflow airframe maintenance for Qantas and its subsidiary airlines.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had for many years contracted overflow engineering work to a variety of MROs in Asian countries.
"The operation in Malaysia will provide the opportunity to consolidate some of this work, while providing further growth for the Qantas group," he said.
Mr Dixon said he was confident the joint venture would create a world class and cost competitive MRO.
"Qantas engineering will have a significant input into the management, engineering and quality system of the new company, which will commence operations in 2008.".
Mr Dixon said the venture built on the $300 million investment Qantas had previously announced for its Australian engineering operations.
"This venture also reflects the Qantas group's objectives of growing our aviation-related businesses into growth markets in Asia and the Pacific," he said.
Malaysia Airlines chief executive and managing director Idris Jala said MAE is "well positioned to build a world class aviation MRO joint venture with Qantas".
"Our priority will be to develop Kuala Lumpur as a hub for the Asia Pacific region for MRO services," he said.
"Malaysia Airlines is already the leading civil MRO provider in Malaysia and this will further cement our position in the region."
Does it surprise?
Wednesday Dec 19 18:16 AEDT
Qantas has signed a joint venture agreement with a subsidiary of Malaysian Airlines, MAS Aerospace Engineering (MAE), to establish a company to provide airframe maintenance services from Malaysia.
Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the company would target the rapidly growing Asia-Pacific maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) market, which is expected to reach $US15 billion ($A17.48 billion) in sales by 2016.
Mr Dixon said the company would perform overflow airframe maintenance for Qantas and its subsidiary airlines.
Mr Dixon said Qantas had for many years contracted overflow engineering work to a variety of MROs in Asian countries.
"The operation in Malaysia will provide the opportunity to consolidate some of this work, while providing further growth for the Qantas group," he said.
Mr Dixon said he was confident the joint venture would create a world class and cost competitive MRO.
"Qantas engineering will have a significant input into the management, engineering and quality system of the new company, which will commence operations in 2008.".
Mr Dixon said the venture built on the $300 million investment Qantas had previously announced for its Australian engineering operations.
"This venture also reflects the Qantas group's objectives of growing our aviation-related businesses into growth markets in Asia and the Pacific," he said.
Malaysia Airlines chief executive and managing director Idris Jala said MAE is "well positioned to build a world class aviation MRO joint venture with Qantas".
"Our priority will be to develop Kuala Lumpur as a hub for the Asia Pacific region for MRO services," he said.
"Malaysia Airlines is already the leading civil MRO provider in Malaysia and this will further cement our position in the region."
Does it surprise?
