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Aeromedic, you raise a good point, but note my own start date and I am not qf management - I'm very much up for the long haul, and I'm quite the realist/pessimist in regard to where this is headed.
I think you'll find a lot of LAMEs have signed on to relieve some pressure that's been building, and hopefully they keep plenty in the tank for when it is really needed.
Don't be spooked by anonymous posts on here. They are not personal, but a destabilising tactic employed by the other side. Try to use a logical argument and put the focus back on the poster. Keep the high moral ground, it can then be used against them. I hope I am wrong, but this is gonna get nasty.
Enjoy the next week and don't give anyone (management) to point a finger at you. If asked to act as senior, say you have just realised the legal ramifications regarding ohas issues and have not had the required training.
If asked to do o/t, then you have just opened your fourth beer, or if at work when asked you have to take your car for servicing. If you say "no I can't ecause of ind. action", then you give them a chance to escalate the dispute. Remember, we want to win this, so don't stoop to their low levels. Be professional at all times - it will count in our favour.
They talk about acting in good faith, but say the ALAEA was organising a ballot for ind. action so were not really acting in good faith. However at the same time they were accusing us of not acting in good faith they announce a joint MRO venture in Malaysia...good faith? They are also actively recruiting a scab work force...good faith? The tech school is also out of commission as the are doing a project for management "for when you LAMEs go on strike"...good faith? Has any one even mentioned strike? I assumed the stop work provision was a last resort for when qf got heavy handed.
I think you'll find a lot of LAMEs have signed on to relieve some pressure that's been building, and hopefully they keep plenty in the tank for when it is really needed.
Don't be spooked by anonymous posts on here. They are not personal, but a destabilising tactic employed by the other side. Try to use a logical argument and put the focus back on the poster. Keep the high moral ground, it can then be used against them. I hope I am wrong, but this is gonna get nasty.
Enjoy the next week and don't give anyone (management) to point a finger at you. If asked to act as senior, say you have just realised the legal ramifications regarding ohas issues and have not had the required training.
If asked to do o/t, then you have just opened your fourth beer, or if at work when asked you have to take your car for servicing. If you say "no I can't ecause of ind. action", then you give them a chance to escalate the dispute. Remember, we want to win this, so don't stoop to their low levels. Be professional at all times - it will count in our favour.
They talk about acting in good faith, but say the ALAEA was organising a ballot for ind. action so were not really acting in good faith. However at the same time they were accusing us of not acting in good faith they announce a joint MRO venture in Malaysia...good faith? They are also actively recruiting a scab work force...good faith? The tech school is also out of commission as the are doing a project for management "for when you LAMEs go on strike"...good faith? Has any one even mentioned strike? I assumed the stop work provision was a last resort for when qf got heavy handed.
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Nice post mate and couldn't agree more. Can you print it out and pin it up at work. I will. These are exactly the things that will hurt, but questions will be asked as to why these are not normal occurences. See, the bean counters and management (that's MH and up) have never done our job and they assume that we do this (that's follow the pm to the letter) every minute of every day. They don't realise that we are making a silk purse out of a sow's ear every time we go to work. They honestly believe that we follow the pm to the letter all the time. I know what you are thinking. And I know I have repeated myself, but we have been our own worst enemy and it's time to change that. And if they start to dock wages for people doing their job in the way that the regulator (CASA), the company and the manufacturer have prescribed, then who do you think the public will back?
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I don't think you will be working along side them Domo. They will only be working if you guys aren't.
Thats how it was explained to me by Resumedomain. They even said I might not even have to work at all if the dispute was resolved (and would still collect the $100k).
There is nothing more un-Australian than someone that will shaft a mate when he's in need.
Personally, I wouldn't trust such a morally deficient mob. The waterside scabs got shafted after the waterfront dispute and I expect any LAME scabs will as well.
I don't think anyone has to worry about LAMEA380 signing out aircraft. I think he works in a cozy office somewhere and wouldn't know the difference between a MEL and a MEC.
Go hard guys!!
Thats how it was explained to me by Resumedomain. They even said I might not even have to work at all if the dispute was resolved (and would still collect the $100k).
There is nothing more un-Australian than someone that will shaft a mate when he's in need.
Personally, I wouldn't trust such a morally deficient mob. The waterside scabs got shafted after the waterfront dispute and I expect any LAME scabs will as well.
I don't think anyone has to worry about LAMEA380 signing out aircraft. I think he works in a cozy office somewhere and wouldn't know the difference between a MEL and a MEC.
Go hard guys!!
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mainwheel.
whilst qf gingerbeers have done stints at mas, all these jobs were advertised through contractors. i think you will also find that most of the contractual rates, were increased due to said engineers not accepting the first offer.
as for the local workforce (who is transitory at best)and will leave at the drop of the hat to cross the border to siaec.most of these guys actually learn a great deal from said qf engineers.
To resumedomain.com wannabe,s , Take the money and show up. If the offer is too good to be true,then it probably is.
lameA380. we will welcome you with open arms ,dont worry you are as safe as houses and no respecting lame will threaten goad or even intimidate you.
By your posts you are the one who seems to have a chip on said shoulder and are openely encouraging violence.we will not be locked out so you better play nice, as you will be working side by side. to all else, keep cool dont be goaded by stooges and keep the respect.we have a plan so stick to it.hang loose but tough
whilst qf gingerbeers have done stints at mas, all these jobs were advertised through contractors. i think you will also find that most of the contractual rates, were increased due to said engineers not accepting the first offer.
as for the local workforce (who is transitory at best)and will leave at the drop of the hat to cross the border to siaec.most of these guys actually learn a great deal from said qf engineers.
To resumedomain.com wannabe,s , Take the money and show up. If the offer is too good to be true,then it probably is.
lameA380. we will welcome you with open arms ,dont worry you are as safe as houses and no respecting lame will threaten goad or even intimidate you.
By your posts you are the one who seems to have a chip on said shoulder and are openely encouraging violence.we will not be locked out so you better play nice, as you will be working side by side. to all else, keep cool dont be goaded by stooges and keep the respect.we have a plan so stick to it.hang loose but tough
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Aeromedic, please don't assume.
Aeromedic. I would think there are many LAME's that have never subscribed to this forum until now due to the potential action that may happen. Please don't assume all new comers are Management stooges.
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have i said dont apply ? just until you know what youre posting about then beware ,you will be shown for the stooge you are .mainwheel relax take it easy come and enjoy.stick your toe in first the water is fine,also qf lames were not breaking strikes at mas,they were mearly filling a void that any lame be it here or europe could apply for.
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So if the jobs in australia are advertised through an agency, it's OK.
Isn't that the case here, resumedomain etc..
Isn't that the case here, resumedomain etc..
mainwheel, Qantas have in the past had fixed term contractor's and can use casual/part time labour. Do not compare resumedomain strikebreakers to the contractors in Malaysia.
A question mainwheel, why would QE want unlimited casual, part time, fixed term labour when it has never fully utilized the provisions they currently have.
Demanding unlimited, without discussing a change to the current 5% is not negotiation!
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just had my leave cancelled,oh well back to the office,no happy family holidays.guess my morale just took a boost.hello planning,print me some more dr&r,s please.lets see make it a 100,then again lets just round it off to 200
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Remember to err on the side of caution!
Hey that tire is out of round, better change it
It's a bit flat spotted, better change it
I've considered the aircrafts schedule and per the amm I can relax the limit, meaning in this case i'd better change it even though it's got 1/4 inch of tread
Hey the paints peeling better snag it and raise an MGTR and recall it
Hey the HPSOV wont work, thats OK I can MEL it, but its the muscle line thats broken, which isn't covered by the MEL, better order the the line and wait for it to come from AVV.
As NMDhold said read the PPM.
You can't record an action in the defect column of a DR&R, all maintenance must be recorded. Eg you have to request part to be removed (defect) and sign to say you have removed it (action) then raise another DR&R for the refit (defect).
If it's not done the correct way raise a form 500!
Hey that tire is out of round, better change it
It's a bit flat spotted, better change it
I've considered the aircrafts schedule and per the amm I can relax the limit, meaning in this case i'd better change it even though it's got 1/4 inch of tread
Hey the paints peeling better snag it and raise an MGTR and recall it
Hey the HPSOV wont work, thats OK I can MEL it, but its the muscle line thats broken, which isn't covered by the MEL, better order the the line and wait for it to come from AVV.
As NMDhold said read the PPM.
You can't record an action in the defect column of a DR&R, all maintenance must be recorded. Eg you have to request part to be removed (defect) and sign to say you have removed it (action) then raise another DR&R for the refit (defect).
If it's not done the correct way raise a form 500!
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Put another leave form in, go see the planner everyday! it can't hurt, they can only say no.
For that matter everyone put leave forms in, including the ames, test the water to see if they will let the ame's off, if they wont tell your union, they only said LAME's couldn't have leave. Any help you can give.
Put another leave form in, go see the planner everyday! it can't hurt, they can only say no.
For that matter everyone put leave forms in, including the ames, test the water to see if they will let the ame's off, if they wont tell your union, they only said LAME's couldn't have leave. Any help you can give.
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3 years ago cabin crew held a stop work meeting. a majority of the Line Managers (flying cabin crew managers) acted as strike breakers and operated during the stop work meeting.
Three months later the Line Managers job was made redundant.They were forced back to flying, their ground managers positions gone!
Their loyalty to the Company was aptly rewarded.
Three months later the Line Managers job was made redundant.They were forced back to flying, their ground managers positions gone!
Their loyalty to the Company was aptly rewarded.
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To those of you planning to take up qantas's offer and work as a scab.Remember this industry is small and it will be probably the last aviation job you will work in this country.Once they know a scab is amongst the ranks no one will work with you and I doubt any reputable employer will take you on because of all the grief it will cause them.
You must ask yourself,is your aviation career worth it.
You must ask yourself,is your aviation career worth it.
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NMD. I and many others may take exception to one of your lines "The majority of us don't really need the 3% or 5%........hey.... we seem to have a plethora of LAMEs willing to do overtime!!!!!" That may be the case for the majority (long term QF LAME's) but don't forget the lower grade LAME's. Some of these people have been with the other Airline and are starting again up the long ladder. Most of these LAME's do need the 3 or 5% and they've been in the industry for 30 to 40 years.
Having said that, I agree with your suggested tactic.
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NMD......your post comes with good timing........hang in their LAME's your fight is a just one against Darth Dickson and the greed that is devouring an Australian icon and a way of life.
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3 years ago cabin crew held a stop work meeting. a majority of the Line Managers (flying cabin crew managers) acted as strike breakers and operated during the stop work meeting.
Thats right! you need to be a LICENSED AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE ENGINEER!
So come on down DC, MH, RH, DM, GH ETC
As for KM and NG, if you think you can substantiate 6 months of License utilization in the last 2 years, we are prepared to challenge that, we will lodge our cross reports, notify CASA, how's about we test the validity of your License!
CMAA manager GJ licensed?
I'm sure we will see GN from Boro's though, he actually uses his license. maybe he can lose his position after the strikebreaking.