HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies

[Talkwrench]

Primethius

Re: Why hasn't any of the posters questioned the salary of the Fed Sec especially since as of the redundacies (sic) he is no longer in the employ of the Aircraft Industry? Erm…perhaps because this thread is about the EBA….

[hadagutfull]

Oh Big M.... well written. sounds like this love in is full of "amazing ing people"

[whitenite]

Primethius

re fed sec: try giving up your job and dropping approx 40k per annum and then taking on the role of saviour/big brother/wet nurse/mother for an ungrateful child. Fed sec is doing a great job under difficult circumstances.
Or would you rather he agree to a similar contract to the one the FAAA signed up to?

[cementhead]

[QUOTE
re fed sec: try giving up your job and dropping approx 40k per annum and then taking on the role of saviour/big brother/wet nurse/mother for an ungrateful child. Fed sec is doing a great job under difficult circumstances.
Or would you rather he agree to a similar contract to the one the FAAA signed up to?
][/quote]

he got the fat qantas pay out and walked into a job,maybe the child is ungrateful because it does not like the direction its going in

[NAS1801]

Typical bunch of selfish whingers. How many of you would step up to take on the role of Fed. Sec? I hazard to guess NONE OF YOU would!

[MENDAERO]

Typical bunch of selfish whingers. How many of you would step up to take on the role of Fed. Sec? I hazard to guess NONE OF YOU would!

I agree.

Primethius, SP has taken the ALAEA in a direction I think we should be proud of, thus far. Whilst I would have liked SP to remain in the employ of Qantas to keep his feet grounded, I believe the position of Fed Sec requires his full attention, we all need to remember, the ALAEA represents LAME's in many businesses.

But by all means keep the executive heads out of the clouds, if they should start to float away like the last executive did.

Back to the EBA

[Torqueman]

Honestly I didn't like him at the start. BUT he has got my support now. Stick with the current line ALAEA. You're doing a good job.

[acslame]

Have you boys seen the alaea power point presentation?
Go SP !!!!!!!!!!
Its about time that we started throwing managements own
tactics back at them.
Maintain the rage boys, lets show those bastard boys
what we have got!
I hope M's little tactic of having a warm and fuzzy
to get the Dmm's on side won't cloud their judgement
and make them forget they are ALAEA members.
I remember with pride how the actions of just 1 DMM in
PER refusing to sign the awa shoved under his nose
(despite pressure from 2 others!!!) sunk M's plans !
Imagine what can happen if we all Stick together!!!!

I say to the assn
IF PEOPLE BREAK RANKS THEN
ITS TIME TO LET THEM FEND FOR THEM SELVES .
HOCKEY ONE , A TRIP TO BEXLEY,
HOCKEY 2 , EXPULSION.
I all to well remember the old days when
people became reps to further their own careers,
because the company would "look after them"

Its time to make a stand for our jobs, our careers
and most importantly the safety of our aircraft and the traveling
public within

[Talkwrench]

acslame

Acslame, I agree 100% with your comments regarding expulsion of members that repeatedly defy any upcoming protected industrial action directives from the ALAEA. Anyone trying to duck below the radar on this one should indeed be let go. Its time to see where everyone stands.

[whatdouknow]

acslame, I take it you have a copy of the presentation, where do we see it? Is it for public consumption?

As for the travelling public, amen to that...

Are we safe... god I hope so

[ata 38 32]

Lets just remember that all lames are not members of the alaea or even union members.they enjoy the benefits but may not support any actions, I would be very carefull around them in case they report me for harassement.

[whatdouknow]

Surely there are ways to stick together without getting hit up on harrassment charges...

[ata 38 32]

Have you boys seen the alaea power point presentation?
Go SP !!!!!!!!!!

very impressive presentation won me over,all members should be emailed it also on he alaea website

[ConcernedLAME]

The ALAEA Presentation has been sent to all on ALAEA mailing list. So if you didnt get it ,fire email off to the association to get on it.
No excuses for not being informed and up to date on whats happening...
We are going to be in for a battle ...however enough is enough. Its time to take a stand and fight for what is fair and just...
Cheers

[whatdouknow]

Yep, ditto!

Must have been a few late nights and research, sure it will hit the spot. Now as long as everyone listens...

Surely the last 10 years of "we will go offshore" threats will have an effect.

Stand up and be counted.

[Clipped]

Where is this ppt? I'm on the email list, not received it and have then logged onto the site - but can't find it. Any directions to find it on the website would be appreciated.

Cheers Clipped

[Syd eng]

Also have not received it but am on mailing list.

[Long Bay Mauler]

FAIR LAME WAGE CLAIM

3% PA. NOT ENOUGH FOR MANAGEMENT

ALAEA -QANTAS EBA VIII ALAEA -QANTAS EBA VIII NOT ENOUGH FOR US

It’s time to turn the tables

2. •3% pa has seen our real wages fall back over many years.

After 10 years watching record profits, record management wages rises and bonuses big enough to buy Sydney waterfront mansions, it’s time that recognition is given to those who have made the airline what it is today.

2. •.3% pa has only been achievable through constant management threats.

2. •The additional sweeteners do not apply to most members.

2. •Management have proven that wage restraint does not guarantee job security.

2. •The combination of clauses sought by management could destroy our futures.

What’s Wrong with the Current Offer?The wage rise put on the table has been rejected by the ALAEA negotiating team for a number of reasons.
Why do Qantas Management get more?Executives and Qantas Managers are not protected by Awards and Agreements. They can be fired at any time or removed from theirpositions by the shareholders. We don’t have the same job security. CEO Geoff DixonYour job seems to be safer than ours Mr. Dixon

Geoff Dixon
With Peter Gregg

2. •Staff often complain about this years 27% wage rise that Geoff Dixon received.

2. •Executive incentive schemes make things hard to calculate but the figure that is relevant is called the FAR (fixed annual remuneration).

2. •FAR is the guaranteed Executive’s take home wages regardless of performance. It is equivalent to our base wage. A figure that the board has set at 3% for all Qantas employees.

Executive Wage GrowthThe True StoryHope they haven’t seen the figures on page 65 of the Annual report!•It would be unfair to take this rise in isolation because the previous year saw the CEO take home less than the year before. That’s right he had a wage/bonus cut.

Annual Base wage growth is indicated on the graph to the left.
Mr Dixon’s average FAR wage increase over 5 years = 8.8 % pa
Mr Gregg’s average FAR wage increase over 5 years = 12 % paFixed Annual Remuneration Increases for QF CEO and CFOFixed Annual Remuneration Increases for QF CEO and CFO

A position outside Qantas worth $70,000 in 2003 with average wages applied now earns $84,649 pa
A LAME position within Qantas worth $70,000 in 2003 with 3% wages applied now earns $78,784 paSo How do we Fare in the Scheme of ThingsSo How do we Fare in the Scheme of ThingsDon’t be fooled by management who will say that you also get a levelevery 4 years. The average Australian worker also goes up grades or seniority to earn more money over time. The average wages and LAME grade structure both take into account the fact that workers retire at the top and get replaced by new lower paid staff.

They want them unlimited. Full time jobs could be declared redundant and those who didn’t want to leave could be offered jobs under part time or casual conditions.Casuals/Part timersXPTCourt Case and get paid as a Qantas LAME. Newly employedLAMEscould be paid asAMEs. ExistingLAMEscould be retrenched then offered jobs asAMEsif they didn’t

want to leave. Qantas want this case written into the disputes procedure directing Commissioners to apply the XPT principles to all decisions of management prerogative. To put the XPT case simply –management can do what they want to restructure the workforce for LAMEDefinitionWhat They Didn’t Tell You on TheirRoadshowsWhat They Didn’t Tell You on TheirRoadshows Qantas want to change the way you qualify to work
operational requirements. This could be the transformation of full time to casual employment or less LAMEs and more AMEs.

Current EBA conditions would make it extremely difficult for such a restructure to occur. Additionally there are tight limits on the number of Part timeLAMEsallowed. The actual Part timers employed has rarely met these limits but this may just be a false sense of security that has led to many members believing that they don’t even want additional Part time employees. The current offer on the table has asked for unlimited Part timers and unlimited casuals. The tools would then be available to carry out a massive restructure that could change the face of our industry forever. The ALAEA is opposed to thesechanges.

Destroying our Future. What the new Clauses Could do to you!Destroying our Future. What the new Clauses Could do to you!This stage could be declared by the airline. Contracts could be further slashed and mass redundancies declared.With only limited full timeLAMEsrequired the airline may offer CR or alternative employment in their newly restructured AME heavy business.XPTXPTLAME to AMELAME to AMERestructureRestructureThis is the enabling clause that prevents the ALAEA having any say on internal restructuring.

So What is This Industrial Action?So What is This Industrial Action?

The actions proposed are protected and legalThe vote is invalid unless 50% of ballot papers are returnedFrom the ballot papers returned 50% + 1 need to be infavourIf successful actions would need to commence within 30 daysThe ALAEA do not intend to disrupt passengers and members over Christmas/New Year

Qantas will be threatening members if they stand together. Theywill isolate individuals and ask them to dofavoursso that the Qantas agenda can be achieved. The future of every member is in jeopardy if Qantas get what they want.

So What Will This Get Us?So What Will This Get Us?The ALAEA will continue to negotiate for a fair wage outcome andthe removal of unfair new clauses designed to destroy our future. This is about being taken seriously when we negotiate and not being treated with contempt as we have been in the past. Because the actionsare legal it is every members duty to stand together to ensure that our future is secured by fighting for a fair EBA outcome that doesn’t pave the way to the downfall of the LAME at Qantas. DoDoNOTNOTBREAKBREAKRANKRANK

They Said I Would Lose My Back Pay….

You will only lose yourbackpayif you agree to it.Consider how much you would lose if you were offered the choice between redundancy or a part time AME position.…..and I Was Threatened With My Job.That’s why it is important to stand together. If your workmate is threatened and you stand with him, we are all safe. If any member succumbs to management threats they do so to make themselves look good but as we all know management come and go. Your next boss is likely to be one of the other 1600 members that you had betrayed.

The decision to take Industrial Action has not been taken lightly. Ultimately it was made by the Federal Executive after much member feedback following the misleading managementroadshows. Legal advice and Media concerns have and will continue to beaddressed with professional assistance where required. Federal Executive members and ALAEA union Reps will always be available to discuss any member concerns and address problems as they arise. The following pages will answer a number of questions that have already been raised.

Managing The Action

2. •I am seconded to an OH&S role and feel that safety should not beeffected by the bans. Do I take part?

2. •We acknowledge that OH&S plays an important role and immediate safety issues require special exemptions. The facilitator positions are management appointments and are not required under State or Territory Legislation. The ALAEA will only be exempting any action that restricts meeting the relevant local Acts such as the duties of elected OH&S Workplace Representatives in incident investigation and OH&S committee meeting attendance. Facilitator secondments will not be exempt.

2. •I have overtime built into my roster what happens in this case?

2. •At this stage the only roster that would be exempt from bans would be for those staff working the old 12 hour Domestic roster . This exemption is only for the hours already incorporated into the roster.

Q and AQ and A•I am concerned about the impact on customer work. Can we exclude them from bans?•The ALAEA would be concerned that workloads would be amended to allow all staff on overtime to be assigned to customer aircraft whilst staff on shift are only allocated QF work. In effect this would allow them to circumvent the bans which would likely end up in the campaign taking far longer to impact.

2. •I am a Senior in HeavyMaintAvalon and do daily overtime to hand over to the oncoming shift. Will this overtime be exempt from bans?

2. •Safety would be undermined if handovers were not allowed across business. We will be allowing an exemption of 30 mins each day for Seniors and Foreman solely for the purpose of handovers.

2. •I have signed a contract to be part of an Airbus acceptance teamthat will be travelling to France to collect a new aircraft. Do I still go?

2. •All work outside Australia will be exempt from bans. This includes acceptance trips, traveller duties for licence coverage, overseas postings and engine change work.

Q and AQ and A•What can I say to a workmate if he ignores bans that ALAEA members have approved?•The bans will only be carried out by the 98% of QantasLAMEswho are ALAEA members so those workmates who have chosen not to join the ALAEA will not take part. Members should not harass non members and should instead simply slot an ALAEA membership form in their pigeon holes so they can join the fight against unfair conditions Qantas seek to impose on us.

2. •Can Qantas lock us out and not pay us?

2. •Yes they can. In previous disputes they have isolated individuals for this action. The approval for stop work meetings is our counter measure for this and if one man is stood aside we will stand by him with simultaneous 4 hour stop work meetings across the country.

2. •I am concerned that aircraft will be delayed if we don’t work overtime, should we have an exemption to rectify broken aircraft?

2. •The entire point of taking the action in the first place is to draw attention to the unfair changes Qantas are seeking by delaying Qantas flights. It is only when this occurs that the Qantas board will take notice of the fact that we are short staffed, under remunerated and well overdue for training. The current management team are onlygetting away with it because we allow it.

Q and AQ and A•If the ballot gets up when will the bans start?•Overtime bans –Wednesday the 16thJanuary 2008.•Higher duties bans –Wednesday the 16thJanuary 2008.•Secondment bans -Wednesday 9thJanuary 2008.•Stop work meetings –As required in response to unfair actions by Qantas.

2. •But shouldn’t we always work to rule?

2. •That’s right. We don’t expect that the airline will take us to court for working to rule claiming that this is unprotected action. To do so Qantas wouldhave topublicallydeclare that they didn’t want us to work to rule.

2. •I have further questions that haven’t been covered what should I do?

2. •Contact the ALAEA office via email and your concern will be addressedasap.

Authorised Steve Purvinas ALAEA Federal Secretary

2. •Why aren’t A380 training bans included in this ballot?

2. •A second ballot to ban A380 training will occur if the parties do not reach resolution on the outstanding matter of course selection criteria.

Q and AQ and A•Why don’t we have a work to rule?•Please do and start from today.Work to rule is not Industrial action and members shouldn’t need our advice to start delaying Qantas flights by refusing to accept defects, waiting for computer terminals to print out procedures and documenting all work however minor will put more pressure on Qantas and shorten the length ofthe campaign.

[whatdouknow]

Casn we please edit the post and make the font all the same size, I believe if you highlight it all and then just click on size 2 the bold stuff will still be bold.

So hard to read.

Are there any pictures...?
I like pictures especially Powerpoint files.

[Syd eng]

Got my email this afternoon.