HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies

[Redstone]

Well the company has finally put an offer in print, wrapt up in a nice powerpoint presentation dripping with the usual spin doctoring. All of a sudden it is now imperitive that it is accepted asap! As expected it is full of the usual tricks and ruses: big sticks, wedges, and red herrings.

But as with all things, the devil is in the detail. A thorough perusal of the full document will be needed, because I am told there are a few nasties in there!

Anyone else had the hard sell yet? What did you think?

[Millet Fanger]

For a year the company has dragged the chain on a new EBA, now all of a sudden they want an agreement in 2 weeks because of A380 and A330 decision deadlines.

So what are they offering? 3% p.a. which is below CPI; a 3 year agreement right at the start of a looming a/c engineer shortage; salary sacrificed super which will save Qantas money as soon as it is introduced but they decide to use it as a stick because it is worth more to engineering staff; and the only thing of any value - an adjustment to quota levels which will be a benefit to approx. 10% of staff during the life of this eba.

Doesn't provide enough benefits on my calculations, what will the alaea come up with?

[Redstone]

Very well summed up. They must think we are stupid and don't talk regularly with the assn executive. When asked why it's taken so long management blamed the union! I know for a fact that is cr@p.

The boys should tell them to stick in their pipe and smoke it.

[Talkwrench]

BNE Heavy Maintenance H3

For the information of LAME's at other ports and departments, a 3% per annum deal for the flexibilities that Qantas wants will not be accepted by the LAME's at BNE H3 Heavy Maint. Whats the feeling at other locations?

[Ultralights]

same old, same old, same pay rise rate, same crap and same result. nothing will ever change, you will all accept it, whine and carry on, but you will vote it in. been going on for decades.

just a side note, the base increase in the aviation industry outside of the sheltered shops of Qf is 4.5% Pa... just sayin..

[chemical alli]

by all accounts it should be an interesting exec meeting come monday.,once again threatened with the stick of if you dont accept it straight out you will lose the sweatner. Problem is the sweatner only applies to super scheme 1 ,2 & 3 so what about four five and six that already have the option.

also why are we going to pay seniors more when its the workers who do the work ?

i like the tank money might even become a full time tank rat

[Redstone]

What about the fat cats who don't fit in a tank any more?

[binrow]

for those that hav no seen the propergander on the intranet From memory

3x3% with backpay
5% one off payment for snrII payment
5% one off payment for pct traineers
increse in quota positions (unsure of degree of change}
increse in fuel tank allowence to $5 per hr
allow salary sacrifice your compusory super contributions
heavey maint efficiences NO DETAILS SUPPLIED (read rdo/dil/ot banks)
I think that covers them, all in all not a bad package when when you have one eye on your bouns at the end of the year!!!!

where is the pineapple

[employes perspective]

the pineapple is the 3 x 3,that should hurt a bit,looks like there using no lub

[Short_Circuit]

EBA VIII

I think it should be, as a starting point;

10% now
Salary sacrifice Super contributions
Salary sacrifice Home Loans
P/C travel for old farts
J/C confirmed ALL LAMES
Penalty rates on Long Service Leave
No quota system
No hidden clauses that they always try to sneak in

[Annulus Filler]

Qantas say they want an answer in 2 weeks.

Fine, we will use a Qantas 2 weeks to make the decision.
Happy Easter

[Bumpfoh]

EBA tripe

The presentation given to us was full of half truths and glaring omissions.

The local manager was clearly rattled during his presentation due to repeated points of clarification by an EBA committee member WRT the above situation.

As previously stated the qouta adjustments affect a very small % of all LAME's covered by the award, likely to assist a few capped out avionics guys at best.

It was clearly pointed out that the vast majority of LAME's who have not benefited by being cross trained with an MA couldn't give a rats toss-bag about A380 work as they stand very little chance of being trained on the creature under EASA licensing rules, training management have clearly stated that only current MA or multi category LAME's will be EASA type trained.

Fantastic future prospects for the minority and F#%* all for the rest.

As for the rest of the offer,

I can assure you "MH" and co. nobody cares any more because of your pitiful treatment of the troops!

[NAS1801]

Dear LAME's of QF, please tell them to stick it up their ar$e! yours faithfully, AME pleb.

[Millet Fanger]

Apparently QF short haul pilots have just signed off on their EBA, does anybody know what they have agreed to?

[Hardworker]

EBA

Well I cant think of anyone in Sydney happy with the roadshow, whats offered is a joke, its about time an 8 hour roster was introduced to all areas of Sydney, Base, SIT and SDT coupled with a unoffical overtime ban. These morons are beyond repproach, intorduce a so called "New World" that is under resourced from the start, doesnt work but do they come forward and say, Hey guys we made a big mistake, let go back to our previous Status Quo. Instead they introduce the CRAP Team Crtical Response To Aircraft Planning, to bandaid lack of resources all on 12 hours overtime!
Time to tell them we will review and reject the EBA, as for the sweetner, who cares, big stick or not, I think its time the tables were reversed and the Union put up some Balls, instead of crumbling with the A380!

[domo]

I can assure you "MH" and co. nobody cares any more because of you pitiful treatment of the troops!

very true
stick the a380 where the sun dont shine I dont care about 25 muppets future, and working in Q i no longer care about anything, management has overplayed its hand, its will be hard to build the place up after running it down so much.despatch relibility is managements fault I was working 2 days off overtime every block and aircraft were still not making sched, I dont work overtime anymore employ some people and spend some money.

[Short_Circuit]

Good on ya all.

Stick the EBA where it belongs.

Back to 8hr shifts.

Let the “construction & mining company” maintain QF “Premium Aircraft” (A380). what a joke, really.

I’ll bet there will be but kicking all the way up to the Boardroom!

QF is walking all over you again & again & again and the young AME’s behind you.

[Talkwrench]

Whats the feeling and the ports?

Thanks for the feedback, Hardworker. Does anyone from ports other than SYD and BNE have any info on the feeling in their area about this EBA?

[sfde]

Geoff Dixon 27% Engineers 3% sounds fair to me.

[blackhander]

We should have started introducing bans 6 months ago.
Talk to your reps and get things rolling.
3% is an insult to all