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Needless to say, this "mercenaries" won't recieve a warm welcome from the locals. How would you feel if some germans would go to your towers to snatch out your jobs in such a privatization process (with no agreement whatsoever) and leaving you with the only choice of moving out far away from home?
Be advised, I guess the bonus offered is not going to be worth it.
Be advised, I guess the bonus offered is not going to be worth it.
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Loki, you know that's far from being the same. Those guys you mention passed the same recruiting and training process their colleagues did, and they now form part of the same staff and company.
BTW, we too have a few foreingers working as atcs in AENA, no difference made.
BTW, we too have a few foreingers working as atcs in AENA, no difference made.
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Originally Posted by Pamplinas
Needless to say, this "mercenaries" won't recieve a warm welcome from the locals.
It is also inaccurate: Workers from NATS (or wherever FerroNats finds their staff) are going to be assigned to one of the 10 "liberalized" towers in mainland Spain. The only time they will meet with Aena controllers is when they get their OTJ training. They are guaranteed to pass that training.
From the third link I posted:
En los supuestos de cambio de proveedor de tránsito aéreo, dificultar, obstaculizar o negarse a prestar la debida colaboración y a suministrar la formación e instrucción así como la información necesaria para que dicho cambio se produzca con garantías de seguridad, eficacia y continuidad.
And who decides what was a "difficulty, delay or refusal"? Yep, you got it...
So basically these foreign staff will get their validation at the speediest legal limit (an perhaps even sooner... forgett USA, Spain is the country where everything is possible
) and then they will never see an Aena atco again.Ah, by the way, don't take that statement from Pamplinas personally... many controllers have the same attitude towards those newly minted atco-students who paid 50.000 euros for their training and now learn that they are basically jobless ... here is a chilling letter from one of them explaining his situation (spanish only, but google translate it)
I will never blame a worker for a manager's decission, I just try to provide the information so they know where they are getting into.
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How can aynone be GUARANTEED to pass their training?
Are you saying that the controlling in the Spanish towers is so easy you don't need any form of training??? I don't think so.
The NATS controllers will need to be trained by the "leaving" AENA controllers surely?
If so, it may not be a pleasant experience!!!!
Are you saying that the controlling in the Spanish towers is so easy you don't need any form of training??? I don't think so.
The NATS controllers will need to be trained by the "leaving" AENA controllers surely?
If so, it may not be a pleasant experience!!!!
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I,ll tell you one thing, since february the 5th 2010, if aena wants, anyone or I would even say anything can be a qualified atco in less than a breath. That is an example of how much our ansp cares about the job, safety, ...
But if the training is from nats things will probably be different.
Regards.
But if the training is from nats things will probably be different.
Regards.
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Daermon,
We think that the Blair and Cameron governments are two-timing, lying cheats, but the letter from rodriguez 81 in your link shows that even they have been surpassed in greed and duplicity by Senasa. All those who have been taken in by this government fraud have my deepest sympathy.
We think that the Blair and Cameron governments are two-timing, lying cheats, but the letter from rodriguez 81 in your link shows that even they have been surpassed in greed and duplicity by Senasa. All those who have been taken in by this government fraud have my deepest sympathy.
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How can aynone be GUARANTEED to pass their training?
Needless to say, this "mercenaries" won't recieve a warm welcome from the locals.
But it's easy for me to say since I work in an ACC and I'm not facing, like my twr colleagues, being notified any moment that I have to move to wherever AENA decides (with all it implies: wife's jobs, kid's schools, paying the mortgage of a house you won't be using plus a rent in your new place...).
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aldegar,
surely you are a 'mobile-grade'.
Over the last ten years or so, many in NATS have been through the upheavals you describe in your last paragraph, some moving to other continents, let alone new towers.
surely you are a 'mobile-grade'.
Over the last ten years or so, many in NATS have been through the upheavals you describe in your last paragraph, some moving to other continents, let alone new towers.
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Ok, let me try to sort things out:
An atc student trying to be recruited to get their atc license is an applicant. Hopefully he will eventually become a colleague, regardless the company he works for. No argument there (apart for the fact that he, sadly, had to pay for his training, which I believe is not the way things should be done in this business).
BTW, USCA has consistenly proposed the recruitment of these new atcos students (demanding, of course, their inclusion in our collective agreement). We have also changed our union rules to let them in, so I guess Daermon and aldegar missed this point.
On the other hand, an atc with full license and instructor rating, working at the job he applied for, who decides to join this venture just for the bonus they offer or because he wants to spend a few months in the sunny Spain, without considering the real meaning of this process and the consequences for the ones that are supposed to be their colleagues, is a mercenary. I can't see it any other way.
Note that in the last 2 years the spanish ANSP already tried to bring atcos from other countries to try to break any industrial action taken by the staff. Namely, italians and argentinians were contacted. In both cases, the unions called USCA (spanish atc union) and after knowing what was behind the scenes, not only they refused roundly, they also send support letters to spanish atcos. I believe USCA has also talk about this matter with Prospect and therefore I'm surprised with the lack of solidarity this forum is showing.
Anyway, there's no veiled threat in here, I must admit here Daermon's got a point. There's not much we can do with such legal framework they've built to enforce this process. I'm just trying to make people reconsider their will to join this mischief. Don't be wrong, it is indeed a worker's decision to play a part in CANSO's game. You choose. We'll see who's next.
An atc student trying to be recruited to get their atc license is an applicant. Hopefully he will eventually become a colleague, regardless the company he works for. No argument there (apart for the fact that he, sadly, had to pay for his training, which I believe is not the way things should be done in this business).
BTW, USCA has consistenly proposed the recruitment of these new atcos students (demanding, of course, their inclusion in our collective agreement). We have also changed our union rules to let them in, so I guess Daermon and aldegar missed this point.
On the other hand, an atc with full license and instructor rating, working at the job he applied for, who decides to join this venture just for the bonus they offer or because he wants to spend a few months in the sunny Spain, without considering the real meaning of this process and the consequences for the ones that are supposed to be their colleagues, is a mercenary. I can't see it any other way.
Note that in the last 2 years the spanish ANSP already tried to bring atcos from other countries to try to break any industrial action taken by the staff. Namely, italians and argentinians were contacted. In both cases, the unions called USCA (spanish atc union) and after knowing what was behind the scenes, not only they refused roundly, they also send support letters to spanish atcos. I believe USCA has also talk about this matter with Prospect and therefore I'm surprised with the lack of solidarity this forum is showing.
Anyway, there's no veiled threat in here, I must admit here Daermon's got a point. There's not much we can do with such legal framework they've built to enforce this process. I'm just trying to make people reconsider their will to join this mischief. Don't be wrong, it is indeed a worker's decision to play a part in CANSO's game. You choose. We'll see who's next.
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Pamplinas & Aldegar,
Maybe I'm wrong here (and please correct me if I am), but is it not true that all Aena ATCOs (native Spanish or otherwise) in the towers to be privatised, were given a deadline (possibly January 10th?) to decide whether they wanted to remain employed by Aena and be stationed elsewhere, or to remain in their current stations/towers and be employed by FerroNATS or Saerco?? In other words, they would not be forced to leave their current stations, but could choose to stay where they are and adopt the new working conditions of their new employer. Therefore they do have a choice and are not being ousted by mercenaries.
If this is the case, it is quite possible that some Aena ATCOs would leave while others might decide to stay. Then Daermon, the FerroNATS/Saerco staff could well be working alongside those Aena ATCOs (and any of the 150 cadets who are subsequently trained in) for some time to come, after their own initial OJT is complete, and not as you say "never see another Aena ATCO again."
I myself enquired about the FerroNATS position. I was told the number of vacancies would depend on the number of Spanish ATCOs who decide to leave their respective towers and stay with Aena. The FerroNATS job would involve being/becoming an OJTI (and eventually supervisor or 'Tower Chief') and moving from tower to tower, training in as many as required of the 150 cadets, until all vacancies are filled in all of the privatised towers. Level 4 Spanish language is required, especially in quieter airports where its used on the frequency as well as co-ordinating with other units/airport personnel. There will be an exam(s) in Senasa college in Madrid. Post-privatisation, FerroNATS staff would have the option of remaining in Spain for the entire 5+1 year contract and longer, and of being employed by the next contractor should FerroNATS lose the contract next time around.
This is what I heard, please feel free to say otherwise if you heard differently...
I also agree with Aldegar, that this is just another job vacancy and people can apply for it from whatever country/background they wish, without being labelled a mercenary. They are simply agreeing to the conditions that other Aena ATCOs are voluntarily rejecting. Yes there will understandably be friction between FerroNATS/Saerco staff and other Aena ATCOs initially, but all Spanish bitterness and resentment should instead be directed at Aena for their gross mismanagement and refusal to recruit more staff years ago, which would have avoided the massive overtime bill that crippled the company with debt, and the December 2010 strikes that provoked the new laws.
Maybe I'm wrong here (and please correct me if I am), but is it not true that all Aena ATCOs (native Spanish or otherwise) in the towers to be privatised, were given a deadline (possibly January 10th?) to decide whether they wanted to remain employed by Aena and be stationed elsewhere, or to remain in their current stations/towers and be employed by FerroNATS or Saerco?? In other words, they would not be forced to leave their current stations, but could choose to stay where they are and adopt the new working conditions of their new employer. Therefore they do have a choice and are not being ousted by mercenaries.
If this is the case, it is quite possible that some Aena ATCOs would leave while others might decide to stay. Then Daermon, the FerroNATS/Saerco staff could well be working alongside those Aena ATCOs (and any of the 150 cadets who are subsequently trained in) for some time to come, after their own initial OJT is complete, and not as you say "never see another Aena ATCO again."
I myself enquired about the FerroNATS position. I was told the number of vacancies would depend on the number of Spanish ATCOs who decide to leave their respective towers and stay with Aena. The FerroNATS job would involve being/becoming an OJTI (and eventually supervisor or 'Tower Chief') and moving from tower to tower, training in as many as required of the 150 cadets, until all vacancies are filled in all of the privatised towers. Level 4 Spanish language is required, especially in quieter airports where its used on the frequency as well as co-ordinating with other units/airport personnel. There will be an exam(s) in Senasa college in Madrid. Post-privatisation, FerroNATS staff would have the option of remaining in Spain for the entire 5+1 year contract and longer, and of being employed by the next contractor should FerroNATS lose the contract next time around.
This is what I heard, please feel free to say otherwise if you heard differently...
I also agree with Aldegar, that this is just another job vacancy and people can apply for it from whatever country/background they wish, without being labelled a mercenary. They are simply agreeing to the conditions that other Aena ATCOs are voluntarily rejecting. Yes there will understandably be friction between FerroNATS/Saerco staff and other Aena ATCOs initially, but all Spanish bitterness and resentment should instead be directed at Aena for their gross mismanagement and refusal to recruit more staff years ago, which would have avoided the massive overtime bill that crippled the company with debt, and the December 2010 strikes that provoked the new laws.
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@ Pamplinas: My apologies then for misinterpreting your position. I thought it was one of those "old guard" rants.
@ Out of the Gap: You are absolutely correct, of course. As it didn't relate directly to my initial question, I simplified the context.
To be precise, in Spain we have laws stating that when your job is taken over by another company you have the choice to remain at your job with the new company but at your old conditions. Your salary can not be downgraded due to this.... that is, of course, for all spaniards except those working as Atcos.
So Atcos at these towers have been faced with three options:
1) Leave your work as atco
2) Remain at your job but with the new salary conditions of the new provider (so far we've heard about 30k - 40k euros gross per year).
Unlike you, we haven't been offered to remain with another new provider (and who knows at which conditions) once the 5+1 years are over.
3) Remain with Aena but be moved to another post at their choice. This can be a blessing (staff from LECU moving to LECM) or a curse (staff from LECO and GCRR to LECP)
The only staff you would be likely to encounter would be the ones who chose option 2 but they wouldn't be technically Aena staff anymore. (There is an intermediate option to temporary stay with the new provider and after a few years return to Aena but due to a number of reasons it is unlikely that many will take it.)
In any case I didn't think Nats staff would be interested to move to Spain unless the job conditions offered would be better than you current ones. Given the legal framework you would be subject to in Spain it would have to be a significant salary increase, and I didn't know that FerroNats had such margins to do it.
@ Nimmer: Spain is different, didn't you know? Currently all staff of the towers to be privaticed have been forced to make an instructor training. This is also true for staff who has been hired for barely a year. The penalty for refusing has already been stated: immediate loss of your licence and a fine from 250.001 to 4.500.000 euros.
So when Aena sends new trainees your way, there are no absolute markings, no objective way to say somebody is unfit to work as a controller. So you have the choice: either pass that guy and get out of there as quick as you can before metal bits start to rain or fail him on your subjective perception... and face an enquiry due to delaying or difficulting the privatization process with the aforementioned consequences.
Same goes for the exams mentioned by Out of the Gap at Senasa. There is simply no way they will not get the required number of passes. In Spain many consider safety regulations a check to be performed on a box, there is no reason for anything else.
Two examples on that:
You know that english fluency ICAO level 4 is a requirement for atcos in Spain. Obviously Spain is compliant with international regulations and all atcos have at least ICAO lvl 4.
No, an exam is not necessary, we have been granted that level by royal decree.
(Granted on 19th feb 2011 for 18 months) A mere english teacher granted you your level, mine was granted by a minister.
As for the second, today at 16:00 CET two spanish atcos will stand before the european petittion comittee to report on the gross violation of european directives by the spanish government as they completely disregard the obligation of previous safety studies prior to any important modification ... something that never happened with all the changes done since 5th feb 2010 and afterwards.
@ Out of the Gap: You are absolutely correct, of course. As it didn't relate directly to my initial question, I simplified the context.
To be precise, in Spain we have laws stating that when your job is taken over by another company you have the choice to remain at your job with the new company but at your old conditions. Your salary can not be downgraded due to this.... that is, of course, for all spaniards except those working as Atcos.
So Atcos at these towers have been faced with three options:
1) Leave your work as atco
2) Remain at your job but with the new salary conditions of the new provider (so far we've heard about 30k - 40k euros gross per year).
Unlike you, we haven't been offered to remain with another new provider (and who knows at which conditions) once the 5+1 years are over.
3) Remain with Aena but be moved to another post at their choice. This can be a blessing (staff from LECU moving to LECM) or a curse (staff from LECO and GCRR to LECP)
The only staff you would be likely to encounter would be the ones who chose option 2 but they wouldn't be technically Aena staff anymore. (There is an intermediate option to temporary stay with the new provider and after a few years return to Aena but due to a number of reasons it is unlikely that many will take it.)
In any case I didn't think Nats staff would be interested to move to Spain unless the job conditions offered would be better than you current ones. Given the legal framework you would be subject to in Spain it would have to be a significant salary increase, and I didn't know that FerroNats had such margins to do it.
@ Nimmer: Spain is different, didn't you know? Currently all staff of the towers to be privaticed have been forced to make an instructor training. This is also true for staff who has been hired for barely a year. The penalty for refusing has already been stated: immediate loss of your licence and a fine from 250.001 to 4.500.000 euros.
So when Aena sends new trainees your way, there are no absolute markings, no objective way to say somebody is unfit to work as a controller. So you have the choice: either pass that guy and get out of there as quick as you can before metal bits start to rain or fail him on your subjective perception... and face an enquiry due to delaying or difficulting the privatization process with the aforementioned consequences.
Same goes for the exams mentioned by Out of the Gap at Senasa. There is simply no way they will not get the required number of passes. In Spain many consider safety regulations a check to be performed on a box, there is no reason for anything else.
Two examples on that:
You know that english fluency ICAO level 4 is a requirement for atcos in Spain. Obviously Spain is compliant with international regulations and all atcos have at least ICAO lvl 4.
No, an exam is not necessary, we have been granted that level by royal decree.
(Granted on 19th feb 2011 for 18 months) A mere english teacher granted you your level, mine was granted by a minister.
As for the second, today at 16:00 CET two spanish atcos will stand before the european petittion comittee to report on the gross violation of european directives by the spanish government as they completely disregard the obligation of previous safety studies prior to any important modification ... something that never happened with all the changes done since 5th feb 2010 and afterwards.
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[quoteLey 21/2003
Ley 9/2010
Ley 1/2011 (modifies the first one. Check item 16 and 20 specially... there you can read a range of new infractions that will yield you a definitive loss of atco licence and a fine from 250.001€ to 4.500.000€ ... and no, I didn't make any mistake with the zeros...)][/quote]
Sadly, they were not only 3 regulatios, but more than 30 the ones that have been passed trough for the past two years. At the bottom is the list.
Obviously, the ATCO´s legal situation is awfull, with many controversial and opposite statemens on this bounch of paper.
Regars,
A.
RELACIÓN DISPOSICIONES LEGALES
AÑO 2010
1.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 29/12/2010 - Sección I)
Orden FOM/3352/2010, de 22 de diciembre, por la que se determinan los aeropuertos gestionados por la entidad pública empresarial Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea para la selección de nuevos proveedores civiles de servicios de control de tránsito aéreo de aeródromo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-19999)
2.- Cortes Generales (BOE de 18/12/2010 - Sección I)
Resolución de 16 de diciembre de 2010, del Congreso de los Diputados, por la que se ordena la publicación del acuerdo de autorización de la prórroga del estado de alarma declarado por el Real Decreto 1673/2010, de 4 de diciembre.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-19453)
3.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 18/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1717/2010, de 17 de diciembre, por el que se prorroga el estado de alarma declarado por el Real Decreto 1673/2010, de 4 de diciembre.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-19462)
4.- Presidencia del Gobierno (BOE de 04/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1611/2010, de 3 de diciembre, por el que se encomienda transitoriamente al Ministerio de Defensa las facultades de control de tránsito aéreo atribuidos a la entidad pública empresarial AENA.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-18652)
5.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 04/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1673/2010, de 4 de diciembre, por el que se declara el estado de alarma para la normalización del servicio público esencial del transporte aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-18683)
6.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 03/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto-ley 13/2010, de 3 de diciembre, de actuaciones en el ámbito fiscal, laboral y liberalizadoras para fomentar la inversión y la creación de empleo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-18651)
7.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 23/10/2010 - Sección I)
Ley 36/2010, de 22 de octubre, del Fondo para la Promoción del Desarrollo. (tema 57 años)
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-16131)
8.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 15/10/2010 - Sección I)
Resolución de 4 de octubre de 2010, de la Dirección de la Agencia Estatal de Seguridad Aérea, por la que se establece el canje de las licencias, habilitaciones y anotaciones en vigor expedidas con arreglo al Real Decreto 3/1998, de 9 de enero, sobre el título profesional aeronáutico civil y licencia de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-15721)
9.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 24/09/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1133/2010, de 10 de septiembre, por el que se regula la provisión del servicio de información de vuelo de aeródromos (AFIS).
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14625)
10.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 17/09/2010 - Sección I)
Corrección de errores del Real Decreto 931/2010, de 23 de julio, por el que se regula el procedimiento de certificación de proveedores civiles de servicios de navegación aérea y su control normativo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14223)
11.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 17/09/2010 - Sección I)
Corrección de errores del Real Decreto 1001/2010, de 5 de agosto, por el que se establecen normas de seguridad aeronáutica en relación con los tiempos de actividad y los requisitos de descanso de los controladores de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14224)
12.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 11/09/2010 - Sección III)
Orden FOM/2376/2010, de 10 de agosto, por la que se designa al Aeropuerto de El Hierro como Aeropuerto con Información de Vuelo de Aeródromo (AFIS) a efectos de la provisión de servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14031)
13.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 07/08/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 931/2010, de 23 de julio, por el que se regula el procedimiento de certificación de proveedores civiles de servicios de navegación aérea y su control normativo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-12705)
14.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 06/08/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1001/2010, de 5 de agosto, por el que se establecen normas de seguridad aeronáutica en relación con los tiempos de actividad y los requisitos de descanso de los controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-12620)
15.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 09/07/2010 - Sección I)
Orden FOM/1841/2010, de 5 de julio, por la que se desarrollan los requisitos para la certificación de los proveedores civiles de formación de controladores de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-10888)
16.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 24/06/2010 - Sección III)
Orden FOM/1681/2010, de 19 de mayo, por la que se designa al Aeropuerto de la Gomera como Aeropuerto de Información de Vuelo (AFIS) a efectos de la provisión de servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-10043)
17.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 15/04/2010 - Sección I)
Ley 9/2010, de 14 de abril, por la que se regula la prestación de servicios de tránsito aéreo, se establecen las obligaciones de los proveedores civiles de dichos servicios y se fijan determinadas condiciones laborales para los controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-5983)
18.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 13/04/2010 - Sección I)
Orden FOM/896/2010, de 6 de abril, por la que se regula el requisito de competencia lingüística y su evaluación.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-5881)
19.- Real Decreto-ley 1/2010, de 5 de febrero, por el que se regula la prestación de servicios de tránsito aéreo, se establecen las obligaciones de los proveedores civiles de dichos servicios y se fijan determinadas condiciones laborales para los controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo.
BOE número 32 de 5/2/2010, páginas 10962 a 10973 (12 págs.)
AÑO 2009:
20.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 16/10/2009 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1516/2009, de 2 de octubre, por el que se regula la licencia comunitaria de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2009-16482)
AÑO 2011
21.- Real Decreto 28/2011, de 14 de enero, por el que se deroga el Real Decreto 1611/2010, de 3 de diciembre, por el que se encomienda transitoriamente al Ministerio de Defensa las facultades de control de tránsito aéreo atribuidos a la entidad pública empresarial AENA.
Publicado en: BOE número 13 de 15/1/2011, páginas 4753 a 4753 (1 pág.)
22.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 06/01/2011 - Sección III)
Orden FOM/3457/2010, de 22 de diciembre, por la que se designa al aeropuerto de Burgos como Aeropuerto con Información de Vuelo de Aeródromo (AFIS) a efectos de la provisión de servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-312)
• Presidencia del Gobierno (BOE de 15/01/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 28/2011, de 14 de enero, por el que se deroga el Real Decreto 1611/2010, de 3 de diciembre, por el que se encomienda transitoriamente al Ministerio de Defensa las facultades de control de tránsito aéreo atribuidos a la entidad pública empresarial AENA.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-737)
23.- Ministerio de Trabajo e Inmigración (BOE de 26/01/2011 - Sección III)
Resolución de 21 de enero de 2011, de la Dirección General de Trabajo, por la que se registra y publica el Acuerdo de compromiso arbitral en la empresa Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-1417)
24.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 19/02/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 188/2011, de 18 de febrero, por el que se modifica el Real Decreto 1516/2009, de 2 de octubre, por el que se regula la licencia comunitaria de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-3257)
25.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 05/03/2011 - Sección I)
Ley 1/2011, de 4 de marzo, por la que se establece el Programa Estatal de Seguridad Operacional para la Aviación Civil y se modifica la Ley 21/2003, de 7 de julio, de Seguridad Aérea.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-4116)
26.- Ministerio de Trabajo e Inmigración (BOE de 09/03/2011 - Sección III)
Resolución de 7 de marzo de 2011, de la Dirección General de Trabajo, por la que se registra y publica el laudo arbitral por el que se establece el II Convenio colectivo profesional de los controladores de tránsito aéreo en la Entidad Pública Empresarial Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-4372)
27.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 01/07/2011 - Sección I)
Orden PRE/1802/2011, de 24 de junio, por la que se introducen modificaciones de carácter técnico en el Reglamento de Circulación Aérea, aprobado por Real Decreto 57/2002, de 18 de enero, relativas a la seguridad de los servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-11268)
28.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 30/08/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto-ley 11/2011, de 26 de agosto, por el que se crea la Comisión de Regulación Económica Aeroportuaria, se regula su composición y funciones, y se modifica el régimen jurídico del personal laboral de Aena.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-14221)
29.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 30/09/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1238/2011, de 8 de septiembre, por el que se regula el servicio de dirección en la plataforma aeroportuaria.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-15357)
30.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 14/10/2011 - Sección I)
Resolución de 11 de octubre de 2011, de la Dirección de la Agencia Estatal de Seguridad Aérea, por la que se regula el procedimiento de canje de licencias, habilitaciones y anotaciones de controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo, en relación con el Real Decreto 1516/2009, de 2 de octubre, por el que se regula la licencia comunitaria de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-16115)
31.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 25/11/2011 - Sección III)
Resolución de 15 de noviembre de 2011, de la Dirección de Seguridad de Aeropuertos y Navegación Aérea de la Agencia Estatal de Seguridad Aérea, por la que se delega en Aena la potestad de renovar la anotación de unidad en las licencias de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-18580)
Ley 9/2010
Ley 1/2011 (modifies the first one. Check item 16 and 20 specially... there you can read a range of new infractions that will yield you a definitive loss of atco licence and a fine from 250.001€ to 4.500.000€ ... and no, I didn't make any mistake with the zeros...)][/quote]
Sadly, they were not only 3 regulatios, but more than 30 the ones that have been passed trough for the past two years. At the bottom is the list.
Obviously, the ATCO´s legal situation is awfull, with many controversial and opposite statemens on this bounch of paper.
Regars,
A.
RELACIÓN DISPOSICIONES LEGALES
AÑO 2010
1.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 29/12/2010 - Sección I)
Orden FOM/3352/2010, de 22 de diciembre, por la que se determinan los aeropuertos gestionados por la entidad pública empresarial Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea para la selección de nuevos proveedores civiles de servicios de control de tránsito aéreo de aeródromo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-19999)
2.- Cortes Generales (BOE de 18/12/2010 - Sección I)
Resolución de 16 de diciembre de 2010, del Congreso de los Diputados, por la que se ordena la publicación del acuerdo de autorización de la prórroga del estado de alarma declarado por el Real Decreto 1673/2010, de 4 de diciembre.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-19453)
3.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 18/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1717/2010, de 17 de diciembre, por el que se prorroga el estado de alarma declarado por el Real Decreto 1673/2010, de 4 de diciembre.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-19462)
4.- Presidencia del Gobierno (BOE de 04/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1611/2010, de 3 de diciembre, por el que se encomienda transitoriamente al Ministerio de Defensa las facultades de control de tránsito aéreo atribuidos a la entidad pública empresarial AENA.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-18652)
5.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 04/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1673/2010, de 4 de diciembre, por el que se declara el estado de alarma para la normalización del servicio público esencial del transporte aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-18683)
6.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 03/12/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto-ley 13/2010, de 3 de diciembre, de actuaciones en el ámbito fiscal, laboral y liberalizadoras para fomentar la inversión y la creación de empleo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-18651)
7.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 23/10/2010 - Sección I)
Ley 36/2010, de 22 de octubre, del Fondo para la Promoción del Desarrollo. (tema 57 años)
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-16131)
8.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 15/10/2010 - Sección I)
Resolución de 4 de octubre de 2010, de la Dirección de la Agencia Estatal de Seguridad Aérea, por la que se establece el canje de las licencias, habilitaciones y anotaciones en vigor expedidas con arreglo al Real Decreto 3/1998, de 9 de enero, sobre el título profesional aeronáutico civil y licencia de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-15721)
9.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 24/09/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1133/2010, de 10 de septiembre, por el que se regula la provisión del servicio de información de vuelo de aeródromos (AFIS).
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14625)
10.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 17/09/2010 - Sección I)
Corrección de errores del Real Decreto 931/2010, de 23 de julio, por el que se regula el procedimiento de certificación de proveedores civiles de servicios de navegación aérea y su control normativo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14223)
11.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 17/09/2010 - Sección I)
Corrección de errores del Real Decreto 1001/2010, de 5 de agosto, por el que se establecen normas de seguridad aeronáutica en relación con los tiempos de actividad y los requisitos de descanso de los controladores de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14224)
12.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 11/09/2010 - Sección III)
Orden FOM/2376/2010, de 10 de agosto, por la que se designa al Aeropuerto de El Hierro como Aeropuerto con Información de Vuelo de Aeródromo (AFIS) a efectos de la provisión de servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-14031)
13.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 07/08/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 931/2010, de 23 de julio, por el que se regula el procedimiento de certificación de proveedores civiles de servicios de navegación aérea y su control normativo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-12705)
14.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 06/08/2010 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1001/2010, de 5 de agosto, por el que se establecen normas de seguridad aeronáutica en relación con los tiempos de actividad y los requisitos de descanso de los controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-12620)
15.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 09/07/2010 - Sección I)
Orden FOM/1841/2010, de 5 de julio, por la que se desarrollan los requisitos para la certificación de los proveedores civiles de formación de controladores de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-10888)
16.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 24/06/2010 - Sección III)
Orden FOM/1681/2010, de 19 de mayo, por la que se designa al Aeropuerto de la Gomera como Aeropuerto de Información de Vuelo (AFIS) a efectos de la provisión de servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-10043)
17.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 15/04/2010 - Sección I)
Ley 9/2010, de 14 de abril, por la que se regula la prestación de servicios de tránsito aéreo, se establecen las obligaciones de los proveedores civiles de dichos servicios y se fijan determinadas condiciones laborales para los controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-5983)
18.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 13/04/2010 - Sección I)
Orden FOM/896/2010, de 6 de abril, por la que se regula el requisito de competencia lingüística y su evaluación.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2010-5881)
19.- Real Decreto-ley 1/2010, de 5 de febrero, por el que se regula la prestación de servicios de tránsito aéreo, se establecen las obligaciones de los proveedores civiles de dichos servicios y se fijan determinadas condiciones laborales para los controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo.
BOE número 32 de 5/2/2010, páginas 10962 a 10973 (12 págs.)
AÑO 2009:
20.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 16/10/2009 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1516/2009, de 2 de octubre, por el que se regula la licencia comunitaria de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2009-16482)
AÑO 2011
21.- Real Decreto 28/2011, de 14 de enero, por el que se deroga el Real Decreto 1611/2010, de 3 de diciembre, por el que se encomienda transitoriamente al Ministerio de Defensa las facultades de control de tránsito aéreo atribuidos a la entidad pública empresarial AENA.
Publicado en: BOE número 13 de 15/1/2011, páginas 4753 a 4753 (1 pág.)
22.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 06/01/2011 - Sección III)
Orden FOM/3457/2010, de 22 de diciembre, por la que se designa al aeropuerto de Burgos como Aeropuerto con Información de Vuelo de Aeródromo (AFIS) a efectos de la provisión de servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-312)
• Presidencia del Gobierno (BOE de 15/01/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 28/2011, de 14 de enero, por el que se deroga el Real Decreto 1611/2010, de 3 de diciembre, por el que se encomienda transitoriamente al Ministerio de Defensa las facultades de control de tránsito aéreo atribuidos a la entidad pública empresarial AENA.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-737)
23.- Ministerio de Trabajo e Inmigración (BOE de 26/01/2011 - Sección III)
Resolución de 21 de enero de 2011, de la Dirección General de Trabajo, por la que se registra y publica el Acuerdo de compromiso arbitral en la empresa Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-1417)
24.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 19/02/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 188/2011, de 18 de febrero, por el que se modifica el Real Decreto 1516/2009, de 2 de octubre, por el que se regula la licencia comunitaria de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-3257)
25.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 05/03/2011 - Sección I)
Ley 1/2011, de 4 de marzo, por la que se establece el Programa Estatal de Seguridad Operacional para la Aviación Civil y se modifica la Ley 21/2003, de 7 de julio, de Seguridad Aérea.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-4116)
26.- Ministerio de Trabajo e Inmigración (BOE de 09/03/2011 - Sección III)
Resolución de 7 de marzo de 2011, de la Dirección General de Trabajo, por la que se registra y publica el laudo arbitral por el que se establece el II Convenio colectivo profesional de los controladores de tránsito aéreo en la Entidad Pública Empresarial Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-4372)
27.- Ministerio de la Presidencia (BOE de 01/07/2011 - Sección I)
Orden PRE/1802/2011, de 24 de junio, por la que se introducen modificaciones de carácter técnico en el Reglamento de Circulación Aérea, aprobado por Real Decreto 57/2002, de 18 de enero, relativas a la seguridad de los servicios de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-11268)
28.- Jefatura del Estado (BOE de 30/08/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto-ley 11/2011, de 26 de agosto, por el que se crea la Comisión de Regulación Económica Aeroportuaria, se regula su composición y funciones, y se modifica el régimen jurídico del personal laboral de Aena.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-14221)
29.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 30/09/2011 - Sección I)
Real Decreto 1238/2011, de 8 de septiembre, por el que se regula el servicio de dirección en la plataforma aeroportuaria.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-15357)
30.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 14/10/2011 - Sección I)
Resolución de 11 de octubre de 2011, de la Dirección de la Agencia Estatal de Seguridad Aérea, por la que se regula el procedimiento de canje de licencias, habilitaciones y anotaciones de controladores civiles de tránsito aéreo, en relación con el Real Decreto 1516/2009, de 2 de octubre, por el que se regula la licencia comunitaria de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-16115)
31.- Ministerio de Fomento (BOE de 25/11/2011 - Sección III)
Resolución de 15 de noviembre de 2011, de la Dirección de Seguridad de Aeropuertos y Navegación Aérea de la Agencia Estatal de Seguridad Aérea, por la que se delega en Aena la potestad de renovar la anotación de unidad en las licencias de controlador de tránsito aéreo.
Más... (Referencia BOE-A-2011-18580)
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As for the second, today at 16:00 CET two spanish atcos will stand before the european petittion comittee to report on the gross violation of european directives by the spanish government as they completely disregard the obligation of previous safety studies prior to any important modification ... something that never happened with all the changes done since 5th feb 2010 and afterwards.
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Following Daermon's line I would like to stress the sense of grievance we're being filled with. Not only Ferronats' offer, for those who dare to stay in those towers, includes less than half of the salary we've got, they also wipe out every single condition of our collective agreement (no social benefits, less holidays with no right to choose them, more shifts, less breaks...). There is no way you could consider that a real offer. In fact, we've learned from an insider that Ferronats is not willing to contract any of the current staff at all. Well, actually they would gladly recruit just one OJTI atco per tower in order to ease the transition process, but in the event that more than one atco should accept that offer, they would be fired as soon as posible with no severance pay.
This is an unprecedented case in Spain, where, as Daermon said, the law states that in such a subrogation case, the new company is binded to offer all workers to continue on their duties with the same conditions they had with the old one. Yes, we're appealing against all this insanity, but that takes a long time and we've got little faith left in justice.
And now we learn that they are offering better conditions to foreing atcos. No wonder, I hardly believed any NATS atco would accept the ****ty conditions they showed us. (BTW, I'd appreciate if any of you could be brave enough to post here how much exactly they are offering you).
Well, anyway, this is indeed what I call a busting strategy. Go on, take your part in it, if you wish. Don't blame me if you get labelled.
(PD Daermon, if you really think that moving from LECU to LECM is a blessing (precisely nowadays), then it's you the one who may be from the "old guard"
Sure, it's far better than moving to another region, but it's still a dirty trick. Cheers.)
This is an unprecedented case in Spain, where, as Daermon said, the law states that in such a subrogation case, the new company is binded to offer all workers to continue on their duties with the same conditions they had with the old one. Yes, we're appealing against all this insanity, but that takes a long time and we've got little faith left in justice.
And now we learn that they are offering better conditions to foreing atcos. No wonder, I hardly believed any NATS atco would accept the ****ty conditions they showed us. (BTW, I'd appreciate if any of you could be brave enough to post here how much exactly they are offering you).
Well, anyway, this is indeed what I call a busting strategy. Go on, take your part in it, if you wish. Don't blame me if you get labelled.
(PD Daermon, if you really think that moving from LECU to LECM is a blessing (precisely nowadays), then it's you the one who may be from the "old guard"
Sure, it's far better than moving to another region, but it's still a dirty trick. Cheers.)
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Pamplinas,
I believe any NATS controller accepting secondment to Spain will retain his UK salary, plus all sorts of accomodation and travelling allowances, for the duration of his stay.
BTW, I'd appreciate if any of you could be brave enough to post here how much exactly they are offering you
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So, Pamplinas & Daermon, am I right in assuming that you two are, among others, in the unfortunate position of being told by Aena that your salaries will be slashed by more than 50% if you decide to stay in your current towers and 'defect' to FerroNATS? And that maybe even worse, you are also unable to move at the drop of a hat to wherever Aena decides you are most needed, in order to keep your current conditions??
I've read some of the leyes quoted by you Daermon, and pardon my shallowness here, but can you please reiterate how they will affect an incoming FerroNATS ATCO/OJTI? Is this the 'legal framework' that you refer to in your last post? If so, I assume then that this infracción of delaying, inhibiting or refusing the training/endorsement of any of the 150 successful students (and possibly more to come), and the resultant severe penalties, apply to OJTIs across the board, be they Aena, ex-Aena, FerroNATS, Saerco?
Whatever salary you are facing, should you or others transfer from Aena to FerroNATS, I firmly believe that equality should apply across the board and that your pay and conditions should not be a cent or hour less than that of an incoming FerroNATS employee in the same increment of the same grade, wherever they come from. Inequality will only breed animosity. An idealistic/naive point of view you might think, but if the ship is going to sink (or hopefully float!) then everyone should go down with it.
Regarding Radarman's last comment, thats interesting food for thought, as I do not work for NATS and so would not be retaining my current salary and conditions if I made the move... which I think after reading this thread is looking highly unlikely.
I've read some of the leyes quoted by you Daermon, and pardon my shallowness here, but can you please reiterate how they will affect an incoming FerroNATS ATCO/OJTI? Is this the 'legal framework' that you refer to in your last post? If so, I assume then that this infracción of delaying, inhibiting or refusing the training/endorsement of any of the 150 successful students (and possibly more to come), and the resultant severe penalties, apply to OJTIs across the board, be they Aena, ex-Aena, FerroNATS, Saerco?
Whatever salary you are facing, should you or others transfer from Aena to FerroNATS, I firmly believe that equality should apply across the board and that your pay and conditions should not be a cent or hour less than that of an incoming FerroNATS employee in the same increment of the same grade, wherever they come from. Inequality will only breed animosity. An idealistic/naive point of view you might think, but if the ship is going to sink (or hopefully float!) then everyone should go down with it.
Regarding Radarman's last comment, thats interesting food for thought, as I do not work for NATS and so would not be retaining my current salary and conditions if I made the move... which I think after reading this thread is looking highly unlikely.
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@ Pamplinas
Ok, you got me there... I'd believe moving from a small tower with only visual traffic to the main ACC in Spain (while being able to stay in the same residence) would be a blessing. I forgott that the situation at LECM is not precisely one of a constructive, healthy work environment so correction accepted
@ Out of the Gap
Not quite, but the confusion is understandable. I'm not working on one of the towers currently under the chopper but I believe that if the privatisation goes on, mine would be one of the next. In any case I do have friends on those towers so the situation is basically the same for me.
As for the laws I linked, they apply to all air traffic controllers in Spain, not only Aena's. I would make the guess that if you'd fail somebody at the instruction you would not be faced with these punishments since they were created aimed at Aena's staff... but my point is, you could.
Ah, by the way, I agree 100% that if I go looking for a job I am accepting the terms and conditions offered by my new employer... but how about my current job being sold out? If we were to apply directly your suggestion then any management who thought their salaries too high could just create a "new" company, sell the old one to the new one and then offer their workers a 90% cut on their salaries as it is a "new" company... (by the way, this is just happening at Iberia with the creation of Iberia Express).
In any case I believe that any job should be paid its value... and I believe that 30k euros (before taxes) is not an appropriate salary for an air traffic controller, even one with not much traffic. In my book, if you want control, then put an atco and pay his/her wages accordingly. If you want information only, get a fiso and pay a lower salary. But what is not acceptable in my book is wanting to provide control while paying as for a fiso.
@ Radarman
I expected as much, it wouldn't make any sense for any Nats staff to move here if not being kingly rewarded for it... I'm just surprised that FerroNats had that kind of money available... I think everybody has his price and even I could be persuaded to work in Irak or Afghanistan... but the salary increase I would demand would make that a non-starter from a business perspective
Ok, you got me there... I'd believe moving from a small tower with only visual traffic to the main ACC in Spain (while being able to stay in the same residence) would be a blessing. I forgott that the situation at LECM is not precisely one of a constructive, healthy work environment so correction accepted
@ Out of the Gap
Not quite, but the confusion is understandable. I'm not working on one of the towers currently under the chopper but I believe that if the privatisation goes on, mine would be one of the next. In any case I do have friends on those towers so the situation is basically the same for me.
As for the laws I linked, they apply to all air traffic controllers in Spain, not only Aena's. I would make the guess that if you'd fail somebody at the instruction you would not be faced with these punishments since they were created aimed at Aena's staff... but my point is, you could.
Ah, by the way, I agree 100% that if I go looking for a job I am accepting the terms and conditions offered by my new employer... but how about my current job being sold out? If we were to apply directly your suggestion then any management who thought their salaries too high could just create a "new" company, sell the old one to the new one and then offer their workers a 90% cut on their salaries as it is a "new" company... (by the way, this is just happening at Iberia with the creation of Iberia Express).
In any case I believe that any job should be paid its value... and I believe that 30k euros (before taxes) is not an appropriate salary for an air traffic controller, even one with not much traffic. In my book, if you want control, then put an atco and pay his/her wages accordingly. If you want information only, get a fiso and pay a lower salary. But what is not acceptable in my book is wanting to provide control while paying as for a fiso.
@ Radarman
I expected as much, it wouldn't make any sense for any Nats staff to move here if not being kingly rewarded for it... I'm just surprised that FerroNats had that kind of money available... I think everybody has his price and even I could be persuaded to work in Irak or Afghanistan... but the salary increase I would demand would make that a non-starter from a business perspective
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Thanks for the info Daermon. Out of curiosity, could you give me a rough idea of the pre-December 2010 basic Aena salary for a non-radar-rated Tower ATCO, in an airport of say less than 100,000 movements annually, before any overtime was added on? Also, are there not some quiet Spanish airports with less than 1000 movements per month, that could realisitically be AFISO-only operated, and be paid accordingly?
And Pamplinas, in relation to your previous post, I find it hard to believe what your insider has told you... that FerroNATS do not intend contracting any of the current Aena staff.... Surely, they would find it very difficult to find enough candidates to replace all the Aena staff, especially with such poor salaries. Even taking volunteers from their own NATS pool in the UK, do they have such a surplus of ATCOs/OJTIs/Supervisors to fill the gap?? I sincerely doubt it.
Finally, on the subject of Saerco, does anyone know if their ATCOs, who have gone to complete a course in Prague, are student cadets or previously-rated controllers? Just curious..
And Pamplinas, in relation to your previous post, I find it hard to believe what your insider has told you... that FerroNATS do not intend contracting any of the current Aena staff.... Surely, they would find it very difficult to find enough candidates to replace all the Aena staff, especially with such poor salaries. Even taking volunteers from their own NATS pool in the UK, do they have such a surplus of ATCOs/OJTIs/Supervisors to fill the gap?? I sincerely doubt it.
Finally, on the subject of Saerco, does anyone know if their ATCOs, who have gone to complete a course in Prague, are student cadets or previously-rated controllers? Just curious..
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Agree with Daermon and Pamplinas. I'll just add two more reasons why current AENA ATCOs have to be very careful before they choose to stay with FERRONATS:
- I've read the T&Cs offered and it's not completely true that their salary will be 30k to 40k gross (40k for ATCOs with +7 years experience). To be more precise, that is the MAXIMUM salary, and there are many supplements included in that maximum specified salary: productivity, punctuality and attendance amongst others. But they don't specify how much each supplement is worth. So you may think you'll earn 30k gross at the end of the year only to find out you only get, for example, 15k gross because you arrived late once, you missed four days of work because you were in bed with flu and you were not productive enough. By the way, how do you measure productivity in a twr? (delays?, a subjective report from your boss?...). So, there's no way to know for sure what the salary will be, quite risky.
- Big changes taking place in Spain with the new government affecting ALL workers (not only ATCOs). With the new laws about to come out, it's better to keep your current contract than signing a new contract after these changes take place (with whatever new company/employer), since you will loose privileges from the old legislative framework. Basically, changes will imply that firing a worker will be much simpler, faster, and almost free for the employer.
Of course, I'm perfectly aware of that. I was just reffering to the current situation (privatization of the twrs), but changes will soon arrive to ACCs too and I know it won't be long before my turn could come to face being forced to move... if not being fired or leaving.
PD: By the way, is there anybody from FERRONATS that could bring some light to this thread?
- I've read the T&Cs offered and it's not completely true that their salary will be 30k to 40k gross (40k for ATCOs with +7 years experience). To be more precise, that is the MAXIMUM salary, and there are many supplements included in that maximum specified salary: productivity, punctuality and attendance amongst others. But they don't specify how much each supplement is worth. So you may think you'll earn 30k gross at the end of the year only to find out you only get, for example, 15k gross because you arrived late once, you missed four days of work because you were in bed with flu and you were not productive enough. By the way, how do you measure productivity in a twr? (delays?, a subjective report from your boss?...). So, there's no way to know for sure what the salary will be, quite risky.
- Big changes taking place in Spain with the new government affecting ALL workers (not only ATCOs). With the new laws about to come out, it's better to keep your current contract than signing a new contract after these changes take place (with whatever new company/employer), since you will loose privileges from the old legislative framework. Basically, changes will imply that firing a worker will be much simpler, faster, and almost free for the employer.
aldegar,
surely you are a 'mobile-grade'.
surely you are a 'mobile-grade'.
PD: By the way, is there anybody from FERRONATS that could bring some light to this thread?