Nats atcos to spain?
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while we are waiting for explanations, I would like to ask a few questions:
-At your ACC is it allowed to arive at job at shorts and crocs'?
-colleague( i have no other suitable noun ) at the beggining of scene leaves active sector with many active ac on screen( guy saying "Antonio,Antonio...."), it is correct,I suppose?
-noise at operational room,other than faxes,strip printers and similar?
-cameras, and cell phones are allowed for use at operational room?
but i hope that explanation of situation will be equally interesting.
Who? What? and Why?
-At your ACC is it allowed to arive at job at shorts and crocs'?
-colleague( i have no other suitable noun ) at the beggining of scene leaves active sector with many active ac on screen( guy saying "Antonio,Antonio...."), it is correct,I suppose?
-noise at operational room,other than faxes,strip printers and similar?
-cameras, and cell phones are allowed for use at operational room?
but i hope that explanation of situation will be equally interesting.
Who? What? and Why?
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Sonnendec: That's not true, when you start behaving like professionals and start prioritising safety above your pay, then I will be concerned at how you are being treated by your employer. Is it really fair on the Spanish public that you use their airspace to hold your employer, and all the airlines that fly within it to ransom for your terms and conditions?
I would have absolute sympathy and understanding, if for example, the UK controllers went on strike. Spanish ATC - not so much, it is like comparing high level professionals with a bunch of unruly school kids.
I would have absolute sympathy and understanding, if for example, the UK controllers went on strike. Spanish ATC - not so much, it is like comparing high level professionals with a bunch of unruly school kids.
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Definately, you guys have to read more about what is happening in Spain, and not only the government side of the conflict.
My colleagues have posted some links for you to check if you are really interested, and here is one more:
http://www.atcpetition.org/wp-conten...ity-ATCos1.pdf
As you can see, no pay raise wanted. As i said in my first post about this subject, we AGREED from the very first time with the pay cut. Thereīs not any salary issue in the conflict and has never been. That was solved on february the 4th, 2010. TWO YEARS AGO.
Come on guys, read the above link (itīs in english). It doesīt take long.
By the way, Spain is going to be under investigation by EASA due to spanish controllers` complaints about safety degradation (thousands with absolutely no response from spanish and/or european authorities). Again, no salary conflict.
Iīm amazed that the only place where you keep talking about our salary is in this forum, when it was solved more than two years ago. Itīs the only question already agreed between us and the government. What do you want us to say? That we earned a lot? ok, WE DID. Are we willing to earn that much again? NO WE ARENīT. Are we protesting to get a pay raise? NO WE ARENīT. Have we agreed with the 40-50% pay cut imposed on february the 4th, 2010? YES WE HAVE. You guys can try to make us look as a bunch of greedy selfish "school kids", but that doesnīt make it true. If you are really interested in whatīs going on, read more.
Best regards.
My colleagues have posted some links for you to check if you are really interested, and here is one more:
http://www.atcpetition.org/wp-conten...ity-ATCos1.pdf
As you can see, no pay raise wanted. As i said in my first post about this subject, we AGREED from the very first time with the pay cut. Thereīs not any salary issue in the conflict and has never been. That was solved on february the 4th, 2010. TWO YEARS AGO.
Come on guys, read the above link (itīs in english). It doesīt take long.
By the way, Spain is going to be under investigation by EASA due to spanish controllers` complaints about safety degradation (thousands with absolutely no response from spanish and/or european authorities). Again, no salary conflict.
Iīm amazed that the only place where you keep talking about our salary is in this forum, when it was solved more than two years ago. Itīs the only question already agreed between us and the government. What do you want us to say? That we earned a lot? ok, WE DID. Are we willing to earn that much again? NO WE ARENīT. Are we protesting to get a pay raise? NO WE ARENīT. Have we agreed with the 40-50% pay cut imposed on february the 4th, 2010? YES WE HAVE. You guys can try to make us look as a bunch of greedy selfish "school kids", but that doesnīt make it true. If you are really interested in whatīs going on, read more.
Best regards.
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nothing, if you work as a waiter in a coctail bar. 
and to clarify some things,
I am not against spanish atcos. Furthermore I found them very friendly and excellent colleagues. We all must confees that they did great negotiations in the past , probably no one will see anything similar in any future.
But they did mistakes,as well. Unfortunatelly there is always paying time in life.
Six years without new hires, plus If I copied correctly ,no one has been hired since 2010( when problem escalate) .
If there is around 2000 atcos in Spain,and if follow "10% rule" you are short of :
8x 200= 1600
that is the "number" of atcos that you are short. That is the reason why you have problems. 150 or 200 foreign atcos wouldn't save the problem.
It will be like glass of water at big forest fire.
Neither helpfull,nor pity.
and as you could see, problem just increasing, because of negative impacts. Average atcos' age 8 years ago was lower, than it was today.
small number of available people, makes not only operational problems but managerial ones as well.
There is no enough competition for management position, so managers becomes "idiots" ( by default not by their wish or personal inability),
there is no safety ,quality, instructors and so on. Even you aren't able to produce politician atcos who are neccessary if you want to live better. Someone must bridge the gap between operational work and money.
those are raesons for hundred of pages, pilot' compalints about poor service by system,not by particular atcos.
hope that it clarifies enough ....
and to clarify some things,
I am not against spanish atcos. Furthermore I found them very friendly and excellent colleagues. We all must confees that they did great negotiations in the past , probably no one will see anything similar in any future.
But they did mistakes,as well. Unfortunatelly there is always paying time in life.
Six years without new hires, plus If I copied correctly ,no one has been hired since 2010( when problem escalate) .
If there is around 2000 atcos in Spain,and if follow "10% rule" you are short of :
8x 200= 1600
that is the "number" of atcos that you are short. That is the reason why you have problems. 150 or 200 foreign atcos wouldn't save the problem.
It will be like glass of water at big forest fire.
Neither helpfull,nor pity.
and as you could see, problem just increasing, because of negative impacts. Average atcos' age 8 years ago was lower, than it was today.
small number of available people, makes not only operational problems but managerial ones as well.
There is no enough competition for management position, so managers becomes "idiots" ( by default not by their wish or personal inability),
there is no safety ,quality, instructors and so on. Even you aren't able to produce politician atcos who are neccessary if you want to live better. Someone must bridge the gap between operational work and money.
those are raesons for hundred of pages, pilot' compalints about poor service by system,not by particular atcos.
hope that it clarifies enough ....
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Any foreign controller already started?
Quick question:
Is there any nats or foreign controller already working or on the job training yet with FerroNATS in one of those tower?
Is there any nats or foreign controller already working or on the job training yet with FerroNATS in one of those tower?
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Is there any nats or foreign controller already working or on the job training yet with FerroNATS in one of those tower?
anybody knows if FerroNATS is still hiring for those towers?
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There is a NATS controller from Gibraltar working to become one of the training team at Jerez. I understand he first has to obtain a validation at LEJR, then has to go on to qualify as an OJTI before he can start training Ferronats guys. How much of this preliminary training has been completed I don't know. Did hear a rumour that AENA was not willing to accept the OJTI endorsement on his UK licence.
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Any expats yet?
I'm wondering if any controller has yet started to work in any of the privatized towers?
Actually, are those towers already privatized ?
So far I havn't heard a lot about the process...
Actually, are those towers already privatized ?
So far I havn't heard a lot about the process...
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I don't have much information but I know for sure that training has started in GCLA (SAERCO), LELL (Ferronats) and will start in october in LEVC (Ferronats). I don't know how it's going in the rest of the privatized twrs.
From what I've heard, there are ATCOs from several nationalities (I've heard some british and polish, but not too sure about this), former spanish military controllers and spanish controllers recently qualified under the new (shorter) system.
From what I've heard, there are ATCOs from several nationalities (I've heard some british and polish, but not too sure about this), former spanish military controllers and spanish controllers recently qualified under the new (shorter) system.
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