Monarch - 3

[walterthesofty]

Yet more highly paid snouts in the trough:ugh:

[Mr A Tis]

EX nats, EX bmi, ex Short Bros.....:eek:

Does ZB need such a heavy weight layer of Management?

Bring back Tim Jeans... simples...

[harer92]

Why would MON ever bring back Tim Jeans ???

MON is on the right track and is building up a healthy network of routes - 'italian job' and 'ski dests' as well as Nice and Madeira and Dubrovnik - most of which currently have a good load factor on the flights. It is slowly moving away from its charter heritage which began to hemorrhage money as the charter flight decline began, but is still keeping its feet in the charter water, while at the same time as becoming a key competitor in the no frills market. Not only this but they are becoming one of the largest if not soon to be biggest operators in BHX... yes i did say a couple of words a while ago about how i wish MON would be better at MAN or something like that but when i now see that MON is doing a great job at BHX it shows that they must be doing something right.

To conclude MON is better off without TJ and his cronies who tarnished the name of Monarch, they are improving their service and offerings to the public and are improving and strengthing their route map, fleet (slowly being updated and increasing in size - 36 aircraft by next summer did i say a while back?) and their bases (which has been increased by 2 - EMA and a focus hub of sorts at LBA - set to become a base next year?).

[New T2 Office]

I think the comment by Mr A Tis was tongue in cheek, at least I hope so!!


36 a/c by S13, I think you'll find its going to be more than that................all will be revealed in due course as they say ;);)

[harer92]

Wow! Great things to come then! Always nice to see MON expanding (cautiously as ever - which is not a bad thing) and especially so in the current climate - when TCX and TOM are slightly downsizing ops.

[Egon Maybach]

New T2. Monarch's Flight-Deck based cheerleaders such as yourself may be in love with all this talk of growth, but have you actually SEEN what they are planning?!?:ugh:

[walterthesofty]

Any chance of a heads up old chap? nice to be a forewarned when nasties are on the horizon

[MANTFS]

I take it Egon is referring to a Mod contract?

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Is your wink wink comment something to do with Thomas Cook?

[Direct VTB]

2 A330's based @ Brize.....

[New T2 Office]

Egon


Yes I have thanks (if I hadn't, I obviously would not have contributed to this thread) :ugh:


''Monarch's Flight-Deck based cheerleaders such as yourself''................is there really any need?? No I didn't think so :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[walterthesofty]

Any more info on the MOD contract?

[MKY661]

Monarch offering another enthusiasts trip to Milan from MAN and LGW:
Monarch Blog | Enthusiast Days head to Italy! (http://blog.monarch.co.uk/destinations/enthusiast-events-head-to-italy-2012-06-01)

[JSCL]

Not that I'd ever make a comment about 'Enthusiasts' but that picture Monarch are using of the one to Airbus is erm... well it just about sums the average enthusiast up... doesn't it!

[harer92]

That enthusiast trip to Milan is practically all booked up - last time i heard - a couple of weeks ago there was like 1 place from MAN and 3/4 from LGW free, so by now it will probably be fully booked.

Great to see that they are doing a better trip than the last one price wise as this is very reasonably priced considering what it all includes!

JSCL totally agree with you there. As a person who likes aircraft and would love to go on a trip like the ones MON have done and are doing now and in the future, i feel that i would stick out from the rest of the bunch. Nothing personal ofcourse as i am sure that they are lovely people and would probably get on great with them, but you know.

Aplogies if the above comment offended anyone, it was not meant to offend!

[Egon Maybach]

New T2
Tell us what you know about the economics of ACMI operations using 20 year old classics from Eastern Europe in the off season in a new market?

[harer92]

Ah yes i heard rumours of this aswell.

These new aircraft cant come soon enough.

[Leonard320]

Hi

The enthusiasts days have all sold out now and have been like that for a few days.

Thanks

[New T2 Office]

Egon,

I cannot answer that as it is not the field I specialise in, and I fully expect it isn't yours either:ugh:

So I wont insult fellow ppruners intelligence by waffling on about all the mistakes I 'think' other people are making.

I try to do my job to the best of my ability and I leave others to do the same

PM sent

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Egon,
They are not just using them in the off season, July & August in my opinion is not off season.

[walterthesofty]

Harer92 ....See what you mean, It does rather resemble a care in the community outing

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Well I see that the mere mention of the word "enthusiasts" has brought the usual band of snobs out of the woodwork. Why do you post such vitriol? Does it make you feel superior to the "enthusiasts" whom you criticise? What your postings actually do is highlight your own shameless bigotry for all other forum readers to see. And yet, in the light of your smears, you actually believe that readers here will adjudge YOU to be the smart ones. You are not smart. You are smug, judgmental and narrow-minded.

The photograph you criticise was taken at Hawarden [EGNR / CEG] on 2nd March 2012. This was a particularly blustery day and the trip participants dressed accordingly. That sounds like good sense to me. The tour featured visits around two Airbus wing assembly plants and a technical presentation by Airbus UK staff. The same group also toured Monarch Engineering at Manchester Airport later in the day. This was not a registration collecting exercise (not that I have a problem with those who enjoy that hobby); the content of the day was actually quite technical. Many of the participants on the trip were Monarch engineers and Airbus UK apprentices. The nature of the itinerary meant that many of the other participants attracted hailed from professional aviation and engineering backgrounds. Others included youngsters aspiring to a career in aviation.

I am not ashamed to confirm that I do feature in the picture, and I note that your comments deem me suitable for "care in the community". Well, thanks for that, but at least I'm not the one posting bigoted crap on here. I'd rather be judged by fellow readers for taking part in a highly informative technical aircraft construction and engineering day than for posting snobbery and bile on an aviation forum.

So, before you post any more judgmental crap about people you don't know, maybe you should pause to think what such ignorant postings tell readers about YOU. I can tell you that the calibre of participants on that trip was very impressive; I learned quite a bit from the nuclear engineer sat alongside me, for example. How bright are you, sneering boys? Do you think other readers will be impressed by your childish prejudice? No, you're not "enthused" by this amazing industry we are privileged to work in ... you're above all that! We get it ...

I am not ashamed to confirm that I do intend to be amongst the group planning to enjoy a comprehensive "behind the scenes" tour of Milano Malpensa Airport and ATC in early July. Toby's team at Monarch Airlines organise these trips exceptionally well. Maybe you would actually learn something useful by taking part in a trip like this rather than smugly scoffing from the sidelines at people who are every bit as good as you. And based on your bigoted postings, probably a lot smarter than you too.

[walterthesofty]

LOL, Take a chill pill old chap, it was a off the cuff remark, no offence intended , Hope you enjoy your trip to Italy.

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

With respect, walterthesofty, just read and analyse your reply for a moment. You start by saying that you are "laughing out loud". Why are you laughing, having been called out for a shameful and distinctly unfunny posting? But no - your posting is not the real problem, is it? I am the problem, because I have not "taken a chill pill". If you genuinely mean no offence to other contributors maybe you should think before you post. A straight apology might have done the trick; blaming the target of your abusive "off the cuff remark" for not appreciating the joke doesn't really cut it.

However, I will take you at your word that no offence was intended and thank you for the good wishes for the Italy trip.

[walterthesofty]

Im LOL at your over the top rant at was as i said a "off the cuff remark," However as your clearly rather upset by my comment which was meant in jest, I offer a full apology for any offence caused to you or any other members of your happy band of enthusiasts:)

[lagerlout]

Forguve me if you dont agree but does this not seem like a very peculiar thing to be doing in the peak of the summer?

MON have been having enough issues keeping their program on track with out throwing enthusiast flights into the program?

Next thing I suppose someone will be telling me that these flights make money?

Bizzare!

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

The Monarch trip to Milan uses an allocated quota of seats aboard the existing scheduled services operating from Manchester and Gatwick; they are not dedicated flights. I believe that around 20 seats on each flight have been set aside for the tour group. As these scheduled services have been launched only recently, they may not yet be running with 100% load factors in any case, so the revenue raised is likely to be incremental to existing business. So it actually makes good sense all round.

[walterthesofty]

As MON are in the business of making money LL i doubt if these trips are only for the spotters benifit, they must have seen it as a way of generating extra revenue

[Buster the Bear]

I think that it is a brilliant idea, raising awareness of routes, filling seats and giving a few the chance of a really great day out. I certainly would consider a future trip even though I abandoned my note book and pen over 30 years ago. Once you have JET A1 addiction, it lasts a lifetime.

[davidjohnson6]

I notice that for bookings with Monarch, one must buy an Airpack or pay extra for a reserved seat, or check in at the airport - i.e. you can't pay just the base fare and checkin online.

Is this a ploy to encourage people to pay extra for ancillaries, or are Monarch's systems just unable to assign random seats for online checkin ?

I realise that Monarch has traditionally aimed at bucket-and-spade destinations rather than citybreaks, so passengers have historically been much more likely to have hold luggage and thus need to visit a check-in desk. With new destinations like Milan, Munich, Rome and Venice, Monarch is moving more into city break territory whose passengers tend to have luggage that fits in the cabin.

If a passenger has luggage, they need to visit a check-in desk to deposit bags anyway, so effectively are unable to avoid check-in queues, and are less incentivised to check in online as well when airport check in is free.
When a passenger genuinely has no luggage for the hold (and thus has no real need to visit a check-in desk), there is a stronger incentive to want to check-in online.

I'm curious as to what the likely all-in costs are for Monarch to perform an airport check-in compared to the potential £6 one-way revenue from a seat selection ancillary.

Anyone able to comment knowledgably ?

[TSR2]

i.e. you can't pay just the base fare and checkin online.


Correct. You have to pay £5.99 for a standard seat to be able to check-in on-line but remember there is NO additional charge for on-line check-in.

By comparison, Jet2 charge £6 for on-line check-in which is additional to the seat charge (unless you are travelling with no bags) and a booking fee as well.

[davidjohnson6]

TSR - I completely see your point about Monarch's charges being more reasonable for passengers who want a bundle of services - seat selection + luggage + other stuff.

It looks however as if Jet2 genuinely prefer passengers to have minimal luggage and do as much of the check-in process online and leave only what's absolutely essential to an airport check-in desk. Presumably this is to keep labour and desk rental costs down and generally simplify their operation.
Monarch however in bundling seat selection and online checkin into a single package seem to say that they are happier for people to spend time at an airport checkin desk, because they see the profit from selling the seat selection + online checkin package far outweighs the cost of manually processing the cheapskates who do not want to pay for either item. In effect, it's a "either pay us some ancillary fees upfront or you will have a cr*p seat *and* need to be at the airport an extra hour earlier" message.

I'm trying to decide from an economics point of view which is the best model for an airline's profitability...

[TSR2]

In effect, it's a "either pay us some ancillary fees upfront or you will have a cr*p seat *and* need to be at the airport an extra hour earlier" message.

That's a good way of putting it.

The last time I left seat selection to a computer it worked out fine. All six of us seated together across the aircraft but the family in front were not so lucky. Mother, father and four year old all seated on seperate rows. The crew were not really interested in sorting it out so passengers close by voluntarily moved around to accommodate the family.
Edit to add: not Monarch

[Chidken Sangwich]

As MON are in the business of making money LL i doubt if these trips are only for the spotters benifit, they must have seen it as a way of generating extra revenue

Erm, pretty sure MON havent made a profit for well over 2 years now...

[MKY661]

I know as part of MON's plan they said that they were going to make a small loss again this year and return to profit in 2013 :)

[harer92]

MON are starting 3x weekly service to Innsbruck from MAN (ZB service) from December till April - So Winter Seasonal. A/C looks to be A320. Good news!

MON are starting 4x weekly service to Grenoble from LGW (ZB service) from December - again seasonal service!

[MKY661]

Oh nice to see Innsbruck in there. Althugh I do wonder is MAN-INN running this summer because it did run last summer and I havent seen anything this year.

[OltonPete]

Where are the two aircraft coming from for BHX in late July. I hear the BHX schedules are now showing one 733 and one 734.

[crewmeal]

Whilst I applaud Monarch's expansion at BHX, their time keeping has been very disappointing to say the least. Now Air Finland have gone, how are MON going to get a grip of their schedules and try to operate a normal flying programme under their own brand without having to subcharter all the time?

[OliWW]

Could the B733 and B734 be used at EMA, or are they already in the process or recruitment and training for the Airbus base? Did hear something about Air Explore covering the B734

[partyboy_uk]

Monarch will be using: AXE (Air Explore) - B734 and LSK (Aurela) - B733 both out of BHX & LLC (Small Planet Airlines) - 733 and AEY (Air Italy) - 734 both out of EMA.

[harer92]

Partyboy_uk will these a/c Be configured to have economy and extra legroom seats or just economy?

[partyboy_uk]

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that at the moment Harer. It may be worth asking on the Monarch Facebook page if you're interested ;o)

[SCANDIC]

I'm sure Monarch could of leased some much better aircraft than a couple of old shed 73's.

[AirGuru]

Thats exactly my thought Scandic. There are a lot better aircraft out there than these old birds. Does anyone know if they are going to be in MON colours and crew ? Or is the crew being provided by the lessor ?

[walterthesofty]

Sounds like yet another half baked idea from those alleged to be running the company,
What are they thinking of?

[harer92]

I presume these 4 737 classics will and are temporary a/c untill the new aircraft that they are procurring come online. These a/c are most likely in place so that they can start their upgauged and brand new flying programmes from the 2 airports in question.

Ofcourse feel free to correct me if i am wrong as i am merely guessing.

[SCANDIC]

Thought they could of leased a 320 or a 757 something a bit better.

[TCX69]

Seems rather strange to launch a new base with a non-Monarch aircraft! :ugh:

[Mr @ Spotty M]

It might seem strange to you, but not to me.
EMA was set up in a hurry because of the Bmibaby issue and was not planned in advance to be so soon.
So you want to start a new base, you have no spare a/c and no crews at EMA.
Hence it is not rocket science in what you do next.
The same goes for the extra flights that were added to the BHX program.

[crewmeal]

The same goes for the extra flights that were added to the BHX program.

It still doesn't alter the fact the Monarch's time keeping is abysmal from BHX. Today's Rome flight - 2hours late, Venice 3 hours late. Whoever is operating on their behalf Monarch needs to kick ass or passengers won't use these flights.

[harer92]

TCX69, like Mr Spotty M stated above me, Monarch have instantly seen a gap emerge in the market and have pounced upon it and are beginning to fill that gap in quite nicely. Albeit for the time being the service will be operated by other carriers, but their service levels should and probably will be expected to be on par with Monarch's own standards of service. I think it is best that Monarch have added flights from said airports, rather than having none at all.

As soon as the new aircraft are procured, there will be no leased in aircraft at these two bases, as they will be replaced with a MON aircraft... As far as i am aware/

Crewmeal, Ok Monarch have had a couple of delays now and then from a variety of airports - some of them small and some of the nastily long. But i dont see why people are constantly moaning about Monarch all the time. All airlines have delays, and this could be for a variety of reasons such as technical faults, emergency landings, delays in airport/air traffic control, all of which lead to knock on effects to airlines schedules. This happens all of the time with airlines such as TCX or TOM. I remember those 2 airlines had quite a bad summer a couple of years ago. Airlines utilise their aircraft more in the summer season than in winter, thus making them more prone to delays and faults etc. This cannot be helped, Monarch are trying their best to rectify the problems asap and are keeping to schedule most of the time. They are also updating their fleet with newer more efficient models i.e getting rid of a300 aircraft aswell as older a320s and b757s.

Also with regards to your comment on customers not using Monarch again in the future just because of a delay, would you say the same thing if a BA or Emirates flight was delayed? Monarch have a very loyal fan base which is ever expanding. If customers did not want to use them at all due to delays that they have had, then why are they showing stats on their website which are showing that their load factors and what not are increasing compared to the year before?

Rant over. Apologies if it seems that i am giving you a grilling, it is not intended, i am merely stating my opinion, while at the same time accepting and acknowledging yours. :)

[Charley B]

It has been lovely to see Air Pullmantur 747 subbing for MON at LGW this week-I like the MON A300 and A330, so hope they stay for a while:)

[harer92]

Charley - The A330's are staying for the duration. Meanwhile that cannot be said for the A300's which are all to be disposed of by the end of summer 2014 - according to sources such as Jethro.

If i were you i would get yourself on an a300 before they leave the fleet and europe(?) forever! I am lucky enough to have travelled on the workhouse to and from Sharm el Sheikh last year - in economy on the way there, and a nice little free upgrade to extra legroom seats at the front on the way back! Great aircraft, which has been a great money earner for MON on the SSH, TFS, PMI runs etc. Will be sadly missed.

[Charley B]

A lovely aircraft indeed! definately been a real workhorse for MON-lovely to watch those go down the approach-can hear them from quite a distance if windows are open:)

[lagerlout]

Just throw my two penneth worth in here.

The reason MON have gone with the airlines that they have for the end of the summer is because these are the only carriers who have availability.

If MON had known their requirement earlier they could have secured the necessary capacity with better quality airlines.

I would be suprised if they used all the leased aircraft in new bases etc because having had the pleasure of flying with a couple of these carriers they really arent anything to shout about. The best people can hope for is a reasonable service, the worst is a bad taste left in their mouths becasue they are not flying on a MON product.

The 747 has been flying as MON have an aircraft out on unscheduled maintenance. Glad its been operating okay becasue it will be costing a pretty penny.

Will definetly be an interesting summer at MON.

[harer92]

Lagerlout, the aircraft that MON are leasing out are only for the summer season (according to Jethro). Now with the new ski schedule for W12/13 soon approaching (sort of - you know what i mean :p) those flights should be operated by MON aircraft - mainly due to the fact the season is quiter and they will have more aircraft to play around with. Not only that but hopefully we will see some new aircraft inducted into the airbus fleet.

I agree exactly with your comment on the aircraft being leased being last minute, but one could also see it from a point of view of that they hold less seats and by using them in a new base they are able to have more of a full aircraft than putting on a a320 or a321 and having half a full plane... see what i mean? So basically MON have probably also took that into consideration EMA wise. Now for BHX they might use them on the Nice route and other new S12 routes that are not fully booked, or they could be using them to fill in the gaps or to swap with a MON a/c that would be running a flight half full - so that it is more economical. If you know what i mean?

[alpha.charlie]

Apparently....

4 new A32X's joining the fleet soon, originally bound for TCX.

G-MPCD now staying for a bit longer, G-MONR going at the end of Summer.

[Monarch_Pilot67]

So these newly leased aircraft probably wont be in the monarch livery then, or will they? :cool:

[harer92]

Alpha.Charlie do we have a 'rumoured' time scale for these 4 A32X's?? If they are around November time could 3 of them possibly be the ex FCA(TOM) a320/1 aircraft?

Rumour has it that G-MPCD is going to be a standby a/c

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The new a/c that are being mentioned will be in Monarch colours, as they will be delivered new from the factory.
They are being leased and not brought and do not arrive as far as l am aware till next year.
Also all the 4 new a/c, may not have been originally bound for the Thomas Cook group.

[harer92]

Ah right that answers my previous question then.

Mr Spotty M do you have any info on the 4 737s being based in the midlands? Config/colours/crewing wise etc?

[MAX_REVERSE]

Harer92

You might want to have a look at the following links to answer your question about cabin configuration

AirExplore - Fleet (http://www.airexplore.sk/fleet)

http://www.tstaviation.net/pdf/Pax%20AC_for_Sale&Lease_Jan12.pdf

[walterthesofty]

harer 92 you might miss the 300,s when they have gone, But the fact is they are a nightmare, the quick they are recycled into beer cans the better

[jethro15]

Foreign fleets are not my forte, but can anyone confirm that:

Air Explore do not operate B733’s
Aurela do not operate B734’s
Small Planet do not operate B734’s

[MAX_REVERSE]

Air Explore: OM-AEX (B734), OM-CEX (B734), XU-TSD (B733)

Aurela: LY-SKA (B733), LY-SKW (B733)

:ok:

[TartinTon]

Jethro, you are correct. The Monarch short leases are for 2 x B737-300 from Aurela and Small Planet and 2 x B737-400 from Air Explore and Air Italy.

My understanding is that they won't operate in MON colours.

[harer92]

Jethro you are correct, as TartinTom said. the most MON will do to them is add seat headrest covers and magazines... Possibly ask crew to wear monarch uniform but unlikely.(?)

Walter, yes from an operational view i understand where you are coming from. But from a transporting hundreds of pax to a destination such as PMI/TFS/SSH they are definately good. Albeit from a cc perspective they would be a nightmare due to galley positioning etc. Also they are the last 300s in Europe surely that deserves some sadness from you?

Also they are good for quick changes when a 330 goes tech on a l/h flight ala SFB and GOI (more mod change than due to tech)

[walterthesofty]

Speaking for myself and im sure for many others

when those heaps of junk finally go it will be a very happy day:ok:

[IB4138]

Blue Air used an Air Explore 734 last summer on their network from Bucharest. It had an excellent serviceability record, so at least give them a chance, before criticizing.

[lotus1]

this has been flying lately in to manston recently belive crew training also noticed this at murcia airport lately i belive subcharter either ryan air or norweigen shuttle interesting?

[fmgc]

Air Explore Fleet (http://www.airexplore.sk/fleet)

Aurela Fleet (http://www.aurela.lt/en/aircrafts)

Small Planet Fleet (http://www.smallplanet.aero/en/home/charter/fleet/boeing-737-300/)

Google is your friend.

[partyboy_uk]

Foreign fleets are not my forte, but can anyone confirm that: Air Explore do not operate B733’s Aurela do not operate B734’s Small Planet do not operate B734’s Sorry Jethro, what TartinTon said is correct, I just typed it out wrong on my phone :os - post updated.

[SCANDIC]

I know that this has nothing to do with Monarch but could anyone tell me how many 757's fed ex have got now.

[DjerbaDevil]

Could be wrong but about 402 + 14 or 16 on order or planned.

[SCANDIC]

Cheers for that

[Skipness One Echo]

Could be wrong but about 402 + 14 or 16 on order or planned.
Federal Express Fleet | Airfleets aviation (http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Federal%20Express.htm)

Fifty Two. Back to things Spotty M now....

[SCANDIC]

Why don't Monarch lease one of the air finland 757's for a short while know that they've ceased operations.:cool:

[lagerlout]

Air Finland aircraft.....

because you would need crew to fly them.

MON are only leasing to cover the end of the summer and will have plenty of capacity for the winter.

Short term lease is probably the best bet for the this peculiar start up!

[PPRuNeUser0176]

News Details (http://www.monarchaircraftengineering.com/News/Details/93#.T_P7gnoFMSM.twitter)

Why open at Dublin and Cork. I know they operarte at Cork but they don't from Dublin.

[airhumberside]

Might be for third party work

[Locker10a]

Dont they have a contract with EI for some work!! Maybe its in relation to that!

[partyboy_uk]

Why open at Dublin and Cork. I know they operarte at Cork but they don't from Dublin Although part of the same group, Monarch Airlines and Monarch Aircraft Engineering Ltd (MAEL) are two separate companies. As pointed out MAEL support many third party operators and not just Monarch Airlines. As well as the Monarch Airlines fleet they also deal with B737, B767, B777 and will soon be one of the few engineering companies to offer support on the B787, being one of Boeing's partners in the Boeing GoldCare product. You can find out more information about MAEL on their website: Monarch Aircraft Engineering Home Page (http://www.monarchaircraftengineering.com/)

[partyboy_uk]

TOM summer 2013 brochure showing flights with MON from LBA for next year:

MON LBA/DLM 1000/1945

TUE LBA/PMI 0700/2115

WED LBA/NBE* 0600/1350 (* Enfidha - Tunisia)
WED LBA/PFO 1520/0215

THUR LBA/SSH 1000/2215

Also showing is:

TUE EMA/PMI 1455/1325

I think the PMI on a Tuesday must be a W Pattern with LBA. It says all these services are operated on a B757. Of course, a lot is likely to change between now and then.

[j636]

Think sombody posted that MON flights forom LBA have changed to TBA on website.

[Bearpit]

Confirm, shows "TBA" or "Flying with to be advised".

[partyboy_uk]

Ah yes, to be honest, I did see that on the live website. Although I prefer the brochure's version of events. Lol. ;) ;) As somebody told me yesterday, Monarch don't have the aircraft to do MON flights. Mind you, I guess we'll just have to see the final makeup up the fleet.

I believe the above link is just a snippet of the advert.

[TSR2]

I believe the above link is just a snippet of the advert.

The video shown in the link is the full version of the 'preview' sent to Advantage Club members.

[Artie Fufkin]

It just goes to show what a good decision I made not to go into advertising, because I really don't understand why anyone would book a Monarch flight on the strength of that advert.

[Dannyboy39]

Is there a reason why Monarch have only started to decide, to do this now?

IIRC easyJet did their first advert around 10 years ago?

[TartinTon]

Artie, I believe it's called a "teaser" in the industry? In preparation for the full ad next week.

Danny, because they've never made the money available to do TV advertising before now and they are starting to carry the sorts of passenger numbers that warrant TV advertising.

[Monarch_Pilot67]

Yes I agree with TartinTon, I did does look to be just a teaser. Also, It mentions on the website that it would tell people about the product monarch offers and the destinations it offers!. So i dont think that teaser is the advert!

[jubilee]

Having returned from Palma Tuesday evening to Manchester, almost 6 hours late,
The excuse we were given that our aircraft had gone tec (A321) and we were being put onto a B757 when this aircraft became free at Manchester. Ok things go wrong,
and it appeared Monarch were doing what they could to rectify the situation.

No you would be wrong, the tec aircraft, was in fact from Birmingham, (the morning
flight) and was stuck in Palma overnight,with the passengers being put in hotels for the night.

Our aircraft which was to operate the original flight Man-Pmi-Man,and which was serviceable, was ferried instead to Birmingham as ZB914P to cover that flight,which
on first glance operated pretty close to schedule. So why upset Manchester passengers, when the delay is a BHX problem.
Same thing happen in May with Monarch, when they had a delay at Luton, and they shipped our aircraft down there to cover it. They then charted a Thomson aircraft for us,


which dept. Manchester almost 3 hours late.
I am a vantage card holder with Monarch, but now having to look at other airlines
who seem to operate pretty close to the schedule times.

Having monitored Monarch flights at Manchester for a while now,I think they will be the leading contender for the airline with the worst punctuality record this year.
Mr spotty m care to comment on Monarch policy with regards to delays.

[TSR2]

I can understand your annoyance but I'm sure you understand that these things happen. I can only assume that someone with the 'bigger picture' made the decisions to minimise a major delay to the maximum number of pax.

It may be of no consolation to you but at least they did operate all the flights whereas some other airline may have cancelled.

[Charley B]

Monarch always seem to try so hard to cover flights-Air Pullmantur 747 is at LGW again today covering some scheduled services for them.

[take-off]

Very odd advert, wonder if they mention how much she'll have to pay extra for the bag being overweight?????:E

On the other hand you have a woman bouncing up and grunting, all before 9pm ...:ooh::eek:;)

[Airbus321-200]

In Dublin MAEL were looking after Air Transat last year as well as MON aircraft so i'd guess thats why they are back. I'd say this year they are looking after Transat and some other charters eg Orbest.

Having had a lot of dealings with MON & MAEL i have to say the engineering is second to none and the operational side of MON is very professional and they'll always try their best to get pax away even if it means spending a ton of money to do so.

[MKY661]

Jubilee

They always seem to save the BHX program and delay a MAN flight, especially the afternoon MAN-AGP flight. Im not quite sure about why but I think it may be due to there are more flights going from MAN than from BHX therefore getting people to their destinations easier. I may be wrong though.

[jubilee]

Thanks for the replies.

I just think it is with Man. being a large base,it is easier to find a spare aircraft,even at the expense of delaying the Man. passengers.

It's just annoying that our two flights were running more or less to schedule,and they send the aircraft off to other airports to try and catch up with there delays, and so delay us.
They very kindly gave us a 6Euro voucher for the 6hour delay. Tin of beer and sandwich in Palma airport cost 7.95Euro.

After being a loyal customer of Monarch, I have now booked two flights with Easy.

My daughter who made a late booking,went with Ryan instead of Monarch,at least she arrived early. see what happens on the return.

[Tight Seat]

Unlike Easy or Ryan , MON will not cancel a flight. Not an excuse on our part, delays are horrid , rest assured the delay is never a minute longer than needs be.

I have seen Ryan and Easy cancel flights 20 mins before departure rather than delay it for 6 hours.

[Buster the Bear]

Superb flight to Palma today. Monarch have a unique product which takes me back to the days when flying was fun and that means having friendly professional staff.

Keep it up, been with you since Bristol Britannia, Boeing 720B, through The 737 phase into competing with the Lo-co's.

Obvious their staff enjoy working for Monarch, so obvious in their customer friendliness.

Buster Rating = 9/10

[jubilee]

Tight seat, I take it you work for Monarch.
Buster, Glad you had a good flight to Palma. After my criticism of Monarch, I too have had many a good flight with them,(bring back crown service), and particularly
appreciate the number of extra leg room seats they have on offer.At the moment I will be flying back from Palma with Monarch on Sept 18,evening flight again. and to Tenerife in November. But due the tinkering with schedules,particularly with Palma,I have booked Easy out to Palma and back from Tenerife.

The reason to book Easy back from Tenerife, was after monitoring the Monarch flight on the day we wanted to return, the timekeeping record was not good.

On a different subject, my brother was on the flight Man - Pmi, which diverted to Gatwick,because of the burning hair incident. Do we know what happened to the culprit. I know he was due in court on June 15, but cannot find out what happened.

[EI-A330-300]

Lanzarote – 2 x weekly
Antalya – 2 x weekly
Barcelona – 2 x weekly
Bodrum – 2 x weekly (22 July – 16 Sept only)
Dalaman – 2 x weekly
Faro – 3 x weekly
Rome – 2 x weekly
Heraklion – 2 x weekly
Larnaca – 2 x weekly
Menorca – 2 x weekly
Majorca – 4 x weekly
Tenerife – 2 x weekly
Munich – 3 x weekly


Monarch Airlines Launch Leeds Bradford as Sixth UK Base (http://www.leedsbradfordairport.co.uk/about-the-airport/news/2012-07-09-monarch-base)

[ematom1]

Will monarch be operating for thomson flights with these routes?

[AP1995]

on TOM's website it says flying with to be advised, so they will either operate it with there own metal or charter an aricraft.

[TartinTon]

Nope, these are all ZB new routes

[MKY661]

Two A320's will be based at LBA so I imagine they are aquiring more A320's

Just one thing though that does shock me a bit is that there is no AGP or ALC as these are surely really popular destinations from all of MON's current bases.

[AP1995]

on look north they said that further expansion has not been ruled out so hopefully ALC & APG will soon be on their list of destinations! however i wish they would add more routes that are not served by other carriers, however all expansion at LBA is good news!

[MKY661]

Advert has just aired

[Monarch_Pilot67]

Hi, I didnt get the advert in my area, What was it about?

[MKY661]

Think its only airing in the North west and midlands. Just a load of bags in a video basically with a monarch A320 too

[Monarch_Pilot67]

Thanks for the info. I luckly found it on youtube

[MKY661]

Monarch Airlines - New TV advert! It's time to... - YouTube

[easyflyer83]

Unlike Easy or Ryan , MON will not cancel a flight. Not an excuse on our part, delays are horrid , rest assured the delay is never a minute longer than needs be.

I have seen Ryan and Easy cancel flights 20 mins before departure rather than delay it for 6 hours.

Not an entirely fair comparison or represntative of Easyjet.

Last minute cancellations do occur from time to time but in many cases the type of flying can be very different to ZB. I'm thinking the shorter routes, more sectors in the schedule which leads to more knock on delays and ultimately that could lead to issues later in the day on sectors to the airports which have curfews etc. Where as ZB aircraft generally operate 4 sectors a day to leisure destinations, most of which don't have night time restrictions etc. That makes things easier to some extent, I know because a proportion of the Easyjet network is exactly the same.

Your claim also isn't representative in that along with a very good OTP, weekly cancellations on an average week can be counted on one or two hands. Bearing in mind the average day in the Summer season sees over 1100 sectors, thats not bad going.

Nice advert by the way.

[GnRdL]

Monarch Airlines announces its 6th base at Leeds Bradford from March 2013 with 2x A320 and 12 new routes (Mediterranean routes except ALC and AGP).


Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Antalya (AYT): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Barcelona (BCN): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Bodrum (BJV): 2x/w (22-July – 16-September)
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Dalaman (DLM): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Faro (FAO): 3x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Heraklion (HER): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Lanzarote (ACE): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Larnaca (LCA): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Palma de Mallorca (PMI): 4x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Menorca, Mahón (MAH): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Roma (FCO): 2x/w
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Tenerife Sur (TFS): 2x/w

And extends:
Leeds Bradford (LBA) - Munich (MUN): 3x/w


MONARCH AIRLINES LAUNCH LEEDS BRADFORD
AS SIXTH UK BASE



As part of the multi-million pound investment, Monarch will launch 12 new scheduled routes for summer 2013 from Leeds Bradford.


10-07-2012
Monarch, the scheduled leisure airline, has today announced the launch of its sixth UK base, Leeds Bradford, as well as twelve new routes and the continuation of the Leeds Bradford to Munich route for Summer 13; further strengthening the airline’s operations from the North of England and creating 200 jobs within the local area.

The multi-million pound investment from the airline will see two A320 aircraft based at Leeds Bradford and will provide a new choice for customers seeking to travel to Monarch’s extensive range of leisure destinations.

The new scheduled services will include flights to key destinations across the Mediterranean, including Turkey, Italy, Cyprus, Palma and Portugal. The announcement represents a further increase in Monarch’s scheduled flights from Leeds Bradford following the launch of flights to ski destinations, Munich and Grenoble, from December 2012.

Flights for Summer 13 from Leeds Bradford Airport start from March 2013 and will include the following services; all available to book via Monarch | Cheap Flights, Holidays & Hotels (http://www.monarch.co.uk) from 10th July:
• Antalya – 2 x weekly
• Barcelona – 2 x weekly
• Bodrum – 2 x weekly (22 July – 16 Sept only)
• Dalaman – 2 x weekly
• Faro – 3 x weekly
• Heraklion – 2 x weekly
• Lanzarote – 2 x weekly
• Larnaca – 2 x weekly
• Majorca – 4 x weekly
• Menorca – 2 x weekly
• Rome – 2 x weekly
• Tenerife – 2 x weekly
• Munich – 3 x weekly

Commenting on the launch of the new base from Leeds Bradford and the introduction of new flights for summer 2013, Managing Director of Monarch Airlines, Kevin George said “The strategy for Monarch Airlines is now firmly focused on its scheduled services and we are delighted to add Leeds Bradford as our sixth UK base. The addition of thirteen routes further strengthens our already extensive network of leisure destinations across Europe from many of the major gateways in the UK.”

“Monarch’s operations continue to grow from strength to strength and we have expanded our operations based on demand; offering passengers choice, value and great customer service. The launch of Leeds Bradford as a base for the airline has the potential to create around 200 jobs within the local area and will provide a gateway for inbound tourism with an estimated 20,000 EU passengers travelling from Europe to West Yorkshire.”

John Parkin, Chief Executive of Leeds Bradford Airport, said: “We are pleased to welcome a Monarch base at Leeds Bradford Airport for Summer 2013. Monarch’s extensive route network will deliver increased destination choice for leisure travellers flying to and from Yorkshire. This investment provides significant benefits to the local economy alongside bringing new jobs to the region. It is tremendous news for the Leeds City Region and we look forward to a successful relationship with Monarch.”

Source: Monarch Airlines (http://www.monarch.co.uk/news/flights/2012-news/monarch-airlines-launch-leeds-bradford-as-sixth-uk-base)

[BHD2BFS]

Any chance of a schedule Sanford route from BFS next year? We desperately need one and they would be perfect

[pabloc]

Will new crew be based at LBA,or will MAN crew be used?

[AP1995]

By the sound of things, LBA.

[MKY661]

Ive also heard rumours that MON are to operate EMA-GIB next summer in place for Bmibaby. Anyone know anything?

[fjencl]

As mentioned a few pages ago, small planet,aurela and another company will be used for the initial monarch operation start up for the use of 737's at East midlands airport.

Does anybody know how many months contract these airlines will have the work
for Monarch at EMA.......?????

[DjerbaDevil]

According to Jethro's there are four B737s leased from four different companies, two of which are based in EMA and two at BHX. The leasing for all four aircraft is reported to be until the end of July 2012, so Monarch should be making some noises very soon of new acquisitions.

[jethro15]

The leasing for all four aircraft is reported to be until the end of July 2012
Leases commence end July for the summer. Awaiting specific dates

[DjerbaDevil]

Thanks for the corrected reading.
It certainly makes more sense but it must be costing a fair amount of money to sustain that sort of leasing for the whole summer. Still, doubtless, Monarch's marketing people would have made appropriate recommendations based on firm sales predictions, that will produce the profits needed.

[renort]

DjerbaDevil

ref your last, I cant tell if you are being ironic or serious, although I know which camp I'm in.

[walterthesofty]

I would love to hear the explanation as to how this ill thought out venture is going to create profit, the costs involved must be horrendous

[pabloc]

Look at the leasing of these aircraft from a different angle! With the airline industry being very quiet,Monarch can 'name thier price'to several potential leasors and get a price that they are only willing to pay!the leasors would do that to show thier bank's that they have money 'coming in' during these tough times...Monarch maybe are in the 'driving seat on this one'!!

[renort]

Pabloc, these are the aviation equivalents of the last turkeys in the shop. Even if they were free, putting new customers on new routes who book Monarch expect Monarch and walk up to a 20+year old european crate is still about as daft as it gets.

[lagerlout]

I couldn't agree with you more, MON spotted an opportunity and are doing a great job of making a pigs ear of it!!

[IB4138]

these are the aviation equivalents of the last turkeys in the shop.

Just a minute!

Monarch's own A300's are over 20 years old and some of the A320's are approaching this vintage.

[Tight Seat]

20+ year old European crates........ Isn't that Jet2s fleet?

So would you lease/buy new aircraft to start a new base ( not to mention crew costs), only to find the market too weak and have to pull out 12 months down the line and then having to find work for said aircraft. Or lease in , test the water and then decide ?

I think the ' family' have it just right, the eggs are nicely placed in different baskets.

[MKY661]

One A320 is being WFU at the summer. However I think its becoming a backup aircraft.

[pabloc]

Dont think joe public could tell the difference between a 737 500 & 737 800 and i'm sure MON line engineers would have a good look at them first? MON saw an opportunity at EMA and got a foot in the door,at least MON are looking at new business and expansion,which we all hope works to bring revenue and job security to the airline......just my thoughts:ok:

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Monarch line engineers will have nothing to do with the B737s, unless a contract is drawn up by the airlines that operate them.

[ZeBedie]

renort, what's your beef with Monarch? You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder?

[pabloc]

Thanks :M:,out of interest,if one of the leased aircraft went tech,would they have their own engineers and would they be responsible to find another aircraft?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

They will have to bring there own engineers unless they contract someone else to look after the a/c, could be MAEL in this case.
As for supplying a replacement a/c, this would only be if it was tech long term, not just during the day, this is my opinion only.

[lagerlout]

This forum really is quite funny because people have such blinkered about certain things....

If i was a loyal EMA pax and took the decision to fly MON at the end of the summer for the first time then ended up flying on a an Aurela 733 to Malaga would it dim my opinion of Monarch???

There are no issues with flying older aircraft that have been maintained and refurbished but having had the displeasure of flying in an Aurela 733 before pax will feel like they are in a Alfred Hitchcock film, its terrible. I hope they put a couple of MON crew with the Aurela crews on to facilitate the on board service or that will leave an even worse taste in the mouth.

As for cost, dont let anyone on here try and convince themselves that this isn't go and cost a pretty penny because it will ( despite what is often revered commercial savvy of the airline). But then recent years have proven the Profit doesn't appear to be the a massive motivation for the company.

There is no doubt that this is a massive commercial gamble and could do more to erode what is an by in large an excellent perception of MON than allow them to gain a foothold in new markets? Lets wait and see... it should be an interesting end to the summer.

Good luck

[egnxema]

I also have had the unpleasant experience of booking a THomas Cook flight EMA FUE to later learn it was op'd by Aurelia. The crew were smiley and pleasant but the cabin interior was not.

Monarch are making a false move! Launching new routes from a new base should include a dose of making a good impression, surely?

They won't with those Aurelia shabby sheds!

[partyboy_uk]

Anybody know if the following story refers to a continuing lease?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/guggenheim-aviation-partners-leases-two-aircrafts-to-monarch-airlines-2012-07-12

[jungle jim]

I think this is Monarch leasing back MA and AN which were apparently sold earlier this year.

[TSR2]

Monarch have a couple of flights with 16 hour delays from Manchester today.

Looks like they have a problem with an AB6.

[SCANDIC]

Which aircraft are MA AND AN

[Georgeablelovehowindia]

They are the two A330s G-EOMA and G-SMAN.

:ok:

[SCANDIC]

I would be very surprised if they sold them to someone else what would they use for their long haul routes. Where do you reckon the 757's will go when they are retired in 2014, they've been a fantastic work horse for Mon.

[rumair999]

LGW is getting hammered today as well, lovely 23hour delay on IBZ.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The two A330s have been sold and leased back.
What long haul routes?
The only long haul route they have is the GND and my understanding is that goes around October time.
All the others are charter and they come and go, mostly go, apart from the MOD flying and the hajj this year.

[CentreFix25]

what would they use for their long haul routes
Nothing

Where do you reckon the 757's will go
My money is on FedEx.

[compton3bravo]

It seems both Luton and Birmingham seem to be operating OK just problems at Manchester and Gatwick.

[MKY661]

My money is on FedEx.

Either this or the scrapyard i think. Although since Monarch have operatedd the 757 longer than any other airline I hope they are put into good use.

[Buster the Bear]

My flight back to Luton from Palma yesterday was delayed as a result of the outbound dropping off a replacement window and engineers at Toulouse. A departure out of Ibiza the night before had to divert in there, thus the need for MAEL to mount a rescue mission.

I was sat in the terminal looking at the flight to take us home on FR24 wondering why it was descending into Toulouse.

[TSR2]

Although since Monarch have operatedd the 757 longer than any other airline I hope they are put into good use.

Yes, I hope so too but surely there can't be much life left in them now. Whatever their fate, they have served Monarch well.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The B757s will be returned to their owners and it is up to them what they do with them.

[walterthesofty]

Hear MON may well have secured a long term contract involving the 330,s

[SCANDIC]

Is it the mod contract for the winter again. How many more aircraft do you think they'll get if their opening up all these new bases. I think that leasing those old shed 73's was a waste of money they could of get a much better aircraft like a 320.

[esscee]

As stated, the intended 737's appear to have a "bit of age" about them. Shame they could have got the 2 ex Air Finland 757's that have been sat in Perpignan for the last few weeks, bit late now though, already spoken for.

[SCANDIC]

Does anyone know where i could find a air holland posky 757 in the new colours i found it a few months ago but can't find it now.

[CabinCrewe]

Try on a flight simulator forum

[TCX69]

http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh498/TCX69K/aa88546e.jpg

Another bad day for Monarch? I believe the outbound morning PMI diverted into LIG which has delayed the outbound afternoon PMI. Not sure about the others though...

[onyxcrowle]

Regards the posky question avsim has repaints . Have you tried the quality wings 757 that has an air holland repaint

[MANTHRUST]

TCX69; perhaps you're out fishing as the weather is so nice at the moment.
Most ZB's are running around on time today, so get your facts straight before broadcasting nonsense.

[walterthesofty]

Hear TCX are offloading a lot more flights to MON next year

[LGS6753]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a commercial deal between TC and Monarch behind some of the new routes ZB have announced - especially the LBA base.
Win-win: Monarch get a new base with guaranteed bookings, TC can reduce fleet and capacity at LBA without losing the market.

I guess TC have suffered from the success of Jet2 Holidays?

[Chidken Sangwich]

MANTHRUST - Cant see any issue with TCX69's FACTUAL post.

Or are you just upset that the sub-chartered in B737 that has diverted on one of the 'new' ZB flights is now costing a lot more money to be covered by a B757 from Spain?

Hope the B757 doesnt get in the way of the B747 thats also coming from Spain yet AGAIN later today on MON flight numbers.:eek:

[spottilludrop]

Other half works for Tommies, By all accounts more and more work is going monarchs way.

Total lunacy why would you assist a rival in this way ?? Whilst at the same time cutting loyal staff :(:(

[MANTHRUST]

Yes these things happen,so what.
The point about the post from TCX69, is that there was no point to it.
It was not particularly factual, looking at the big picture and if the afore mentioned poster is affiliated with TCX in any way then an old saying about people in glass houses springs to mind.

[OltonPete]

I think it is reasonable to monitor the "new additions" to the schedule, as it was a brave decision (some might use stronger words) to pick up the BMI Baby slack with leased-in aircraft.

The first weekend at BHX went well and although it never made it to the first week without disruption it is worth discussion.

As it stands the Air Explore B734 did divert into Limoges off-loaded pax and has returned empty to BHX. However it is gamely making its way over central France as I type on the second Palma of the day ZB954.

In the meantime Monarch as Monarch always seem to do have tried to make the best of things with a Spanish 757 flying from Madrid to Limoges to pick up the pax. That has taken sometime and it did not arrive in Limoges until 16.15 UK time. Alas I have lost track of it and up to 30 minutes ago it seems to be still on the ground at LIG.

Interestingly Monarch sent an A321 on the new Barcelona service today, which I didn't realise was in their plans.

I for one am a bit more interested than usual as I have my first ever flight with them next week on a shorter than usual summer holiday so it will be fingers-crossed that the 320's behave themselves until next Wednesday ;).

[Charley B]

Nice to see Air Pullmantur again,just gone down the approach to LGW,-presume it is going to Orlando for MON?

[SCANDIC]

Are Monarch still thinking about getting next generation 737's.

[walterthesofty]

Dont think so, according to a mate of mine who works for monarch they are getting five more airbus A321 in the near future

[on time all the time]

Hello,

Having been with Monarch for over 20 years, there is a huge rumour factory. I don't think our management even knows what theywant.
We were told about a new fleet last year with a decision for June, August, september, October......all we got was 2 old A320s.
We have been told a decision would be made mid summer this year, which is now. One would have thought that Farnborough would have been the time....nothing.
So back to the shop floor we hear 6 B767 are on their way.....I can't count the number of times 6 B767 were ordered. £ A330 were also needed....It is All b******s.
So let's wait until someone wakes up ion the ivory tower and announces the good news. usually we get an email in between 6 and 8 am.....when they wake up!

[esscee]

What he said!!! One day the management will let on what is happening, let alone heaven forbid they may know what is planned to happen.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The answer SCANDIC is no and MKY661 l told you not to listen to cabin crew when you were flying.
walterthesofty, your mate is a little off the mark l am afraid, they are still looking for some of the a/c needed for next year.
I will also confirm that the A320 planned for disposal in November, is going ahead as originally planned.

[easyflyer83]

A bit rude to cabin crew if you ask me.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Sorry it was not meant to be, l am referring to the rumours of "NGs" coming that MKY661 was told of on a flight last year.

[SCANDIC]

I heard from a good source that they well have five brand new a321's sat at tolouse waiting for delivery. Also DAJB has gone on to 94,000 hours of flying.

[Chidken Sangwich]

I cant see G-DAJB at 94,000 just yet as was only up to 89248 as at 31 Dec.

[SCANDIC]

Well apparantely it has. Only a couple of years left for them now.

[32SQDN]

Off topic but can I just ask what iPhone app is that on TCX69's post detailing departures.
Many thanks.

[Chidken Sangwich]

Scandic - so has it really been operating an average of 22.74hrs a day for the last 209 days? Boeing will be massively impressed with that dispatch reliability!

Your source must be great... the 5 x A321 must be concrete as well then... when are they being delivered?

[SCANDIC]

I wish people wouldn't get so touchy on this website, i can only go off what i'm told, as for the 321's not sure yet.

[Curious Pax]

321s are built at Finkenwerder not Toulouse, so it is unusual to see any at all on the factory side at TLS, let alone 5. When I was there 3 weeks ago there were none.

[walterthesofty]

Dont take it to heart scandic, i think your close to the mark, the guy who told me the same thing is someone who normally has his finger on the pulse so watch this space:ok:

[SCANDIC]

Cheers mate thats good to know.:ok:

[Monarch_Pilot67]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic. But does anyone how well monarchs new route to barcelona is performing from gatwick?. Heard from realible sources that it was underperforming with poor load factors even through the summer season.

Does anyone know any info on this? Cheers!

[TartinTon]

Just had a quick look on their website and the lowest fare showing anytime in Aug is £60.99 going up to £125.99. That doesn't sound like flights with poor load factors to me.....looks like it's doing ok.

[Monarch_Pilot67]

Yeah TartinTon, I could be just as its a new route and with easyjet being there aswell with a much bigger choice of timings thoughout the week.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Sorry SCANDIC you need to ignore your BAD source and find a better one.
I can info you and anyone else reading this thread, that their are no new A321s at any Airbus site awaiting or finishing assembly, which are going to be delivered to Monarch.
Now as for G-DAJB, it has done just over 90,500 to date, some what short of the figure given to you.

[walterthesofty]

I can confidently state that a number of extra aircraft are heading monarchs way despite the denials from some

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I can with 100% certainty agree with you, but what SCANDIC was told was 100% incorrect.
I have also clarified my earlier statement.

[compton3bravo]

Figures for July just released. Passengers 689,158 up 19% on July 2011, capacity increased by 15.4% with the load factor 92.8%. Flew Gib-Luton on 22 July and Luton-Gib on the 31st hardly any empty seats on both flights.

[spottilludrop]

Good to see them doing well always liked Monarch somehow seem a cut above the likes of jet 2 and the others they compete with

Hear they have also signed a big contract with the MOD

[MANTHRUST]

You heard it first here!!
Assuming its true.

[SCANDIC]

Monarch are looking at getting one of the ex bmi a330 for the mod contract.

[MKY661]

That sounds really interesting :)

[MANTHRUST]

Sounds like a very old rumour.
But not a bad place to pedal it.

[walterthesofty]

I thought the BMI 330 aircraft had long gone to another operator

[TCX69]

I thought the BMI 330 aircraft had long gone to another operator

There's 2 A330's & they're both still operational within the bmi fleet.

[SCANDIC]

They were looked after by Monarch engineering when operating out of man. I think that they're slightly different to Monarch's a330's.

[BHD2BFS]

Any chance of MON appearing at BFS now that EI have left?

[SCANDIC]

Has no one got anything to say.:ok:

[ericlday]

SpottyM must be on his holidays......a freebie no doubt.

[SCANDIC]

Do you think there will be any change of heart as to what will happen with the a300's at the end of the year like someone else buying them.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

What is holiday? :{
No l am still here and think the rumour on the BMI A330 is a load of :mad:.
I have not even bothered to ask at work about it.
As for the A300, not a cat in hells chance.

[MKY661]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic. But does anyone how well monarchs new route to barcelona is performing from gatwick?. Heard from realible sources that it was underperforming with poor load factors even through the summer season.

Does anyone know any info on this? Cheers!

Alo wonder how this route is getting on also with BA about to start the route as well.

[SCANDIC]

When are Monarch going to come up with the fleet plans.

[Daza]

New route ex BHX-Gibraltar from March 2013 3 times a week. :ok:

[EESDL]

Man to Dlm last night- 6 hour delay with very little info forthcoming.
I wished I had sought guidance on TA before booking but completely forgot (blanked) that my last substantial delay on an airline was with Monarch.
No sign of pending delay prior to check-in and further googling reveals previous practice of Monarch trying to squeeze a quart out of a pint pot etc.
Would have gone for cheaper option if I knew we would have been flying at midnight!
At least my family didn't have to face the wet-lease Lithuanian option!

[Funderblaster]

It can happen whoever you fly with, just bad luck !!

[bmi expat]

Last Monday, MAN-BCN, delayed by 2h40m, received a text message from Monarch as I was queuing for check in advising of the delay and to ask for a refreshment voucher. Received £5 which I thought was pretty good for that length of delay.

Delays are always a hassle but I was quite impressed by their handling of it, the text alert as soon as the delay was known was pretty smart I thought.

[Tableview]

They may have a/c or crew shortages. I am booked on a Monarch flight on Monday and yesterday received an email advising me that the flight would be operated by another carrier, to the same schedule, and that all services would be available except 'duty-free' (not that I care about that)

[OltonPete]

EESDL

If you are on about the LY registered aircraft based at BHX, I believe it has a 100% dispatch rate since arriving. I have not been inside so I can't comment on the product but I can't recall a single delay on the flight unless there was one when I was on my holiday.

Now if you has said Air Explore and the Boeing 734.......different story.

[ATNotts]

EESDL

If you aren't prepared to accept unforeseen delays, then don't travel by air - or for that matter, road, rail or sea!

To single out Monarch seem slightly crass - from other comments on this short thread it seems they perform a great deal better than some, possibly most.

As for being subbed on a Lithuanian aircraft, what's the issue?

I'd insist on compensation if I were you!!!!!:uhoh:

[JackRalston]

EESDL - the reason for your DLM delay was most likely because that aircraft (G-OJMR) was delayed first thing in the morning on the ZB564 to TFS. The aircraft had an ongoing tech issue which I certainly hope you feel would be better to get sorted then for you to go on an aircraft that potentially has a big issue which could result in the aircraft returning, or flying at a risk. Delays always happen and considering how tight the ZB schedule is on certain days, you have to respect the fact that a little problem in the morning does have a knock-on in the afternoon slot.

I have thankfully never seen Monarch cancel a flight, a delay might be annoying but would you rather get to your holiday destination in safe hands rather than not at all?

[mikkie4]

with thomson/first choice flying from SOUTHEND next summer,what are the chances that monarch might put in a couple of flights?

[AirLCY]

Re the delay voucher, it's EU law for delays over 2 hours, it's just airlines like FR that ignore the rules.

[easyflyer83]

It does depend on the length of sector as to how long it is before you receive a voucher.

[OltonPete]

Talk about putting a jinx on an aircraft after praising its reliability only yesterday - the Lithuanian registered 733 is now sitting in Tenerife with over a 12 hour delay on the BHX inbound.

Outbound Nice this morning also showing delayed.

Oops.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

Commentators curse Olton Pete!
EESDL I can understand the comment about the LY aircraft but they conform to EASA standards and probably have to pass Monarch quality checks as part of the lease.
Choosing to go on a Sat night, with family, peak summer i'd have a look at myself before looking at trip advisor :\

[compton3bravo]

Also a 24 hr delay on the inbound Larnaca to Luton with an A320 stuck out there. Do not know the problem though. Quite agree weekend flying in the height of summer as someone once said - be afraid be very afraid!

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I think you will find it is a A321 that has the problem.
Before anyone starts to comment about old a/c, it is the second youngest airframe the airline operates.

[BlackandBrown]

Which doesn't tell you much because they're all pretty old and used. Being the youngest member of an old people's nursing home doesnt make you young. Biting off more than you can chew isn't clever either.

[PhilW1981]

Monarchs delays seem to be mounting. It seems to be routine for multiple massive delays per day generally due to aircraft going tech. They had a hugely negative impact on my holiday and looks like many others are facing similar and yes, a large part of that is down to the age of the fleet. Much as I hate defending O'Leary, at least his fleet is new and generally suffers very few tech problems.

[Burpbot]

Do you think Ryanair has less tech issues as a result of crew been "encouraged" to carry on regardless? The ryanair fender bender thred is an interesting read!

[PhilW1981]

I have indeed read it and commented within that I think the airline should be prosecuted to within an inch of their existence for the negligence shown. That said, Monarch's reliability issues are not, as far as I'm aware, down to bumping winglets into the back of other aircraft and are more due to aging aircraft having parts that need replacing.

[j636]

Do you think Ryanair has less tech issues as a result of crew been "encouraged" to carry on regardless? The ryanair fender bender thred is an interesting read

Don't forget the fuel leage table for each base.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I don't call being just 3 1/2 years old, old do you?
You will find delays are going to continue to be a problem now and in the future, not only with Monarch, but also the likes of TOM.
The reason for this, is that airlines are selling their spares to specialist companies more and more.
It then can take many hours to taxi the spare part around the country, only to find it fails on fit and you start all over again.

[TCX69]

I don't call being just 3 1/2 years old, old do you?

I believe the 'newest' A321 in the Monarch fleet is 4 years old... Still not exactly old mind you...

[Groundbased]

Can anyone help me find out which aircraft Monarch currently has based at Birmingham?

[MANTHRUST]

Any Monarch knockers out there care to comment on the number of cancelled flights over the last two weeks?

[IrishFlyer2013]

Can anyone help me find out which aircraft Monarch currently has based at Birmingham?

Thanks,
GB

The following aircraft are based at BHX.


OM-AEX (Leased to Monarch from AirExplore)
LY-SKA (Leased to Monarch from Aurela)
G-OZBX (A320)
G-OZBW (A320)
G-OZBS (A321)
G-OZBP (A321)
G-OZBF (A321)

[Serenity]

Monarch DON'T cancel flights.
They will always run!!

(all be it slightly late if there's an issue)

[MANTHRUST]

That's the point.

[OltonPete]

Groundbased

One missing from that list, it is 4 x A321's, 2 x A320's, 1 x 734 & 1 x 733.

G-OZBM is the one missing currently flying BHX-LEI-BHX.

You could add B757 G-ZAPX subbed-in to operated ZB466/7 BHX-NCE-BHX as the 733 is still in Tenerife - tech since the 18th?

The A320's don't swap that much - occasionally one will position out on a Tuesday night to Luton with one coming in the opposite direction but mid-July was the last time that happened. The 321's seem to change often but not really checked where and when.

[Groundbased]

Thanks OltonPete.

I came in on the 733 from NCE on the 18th, partly the reason for my question.

Delays were about 1 hr in each direction which at this time of year I don't think is too bad. I don't have complaints about the operation of the flight, but have to say that I think it is short sighted to be leasing in LY-SKA. Very tatty aircraft and not what I paid for when I booked, although as mentioned earlier on this thread it won't be cheap for Mon, it must be cheaper than leasing something comparable with the Mon aircraft based at BHX.

It was not apparent at booking or at any time prior to boarding that it would be operated by aleased aircraft.

Looking at the registrations the average age of the Mon BHX fleet is about 11 years. I like Monarch, which is why I booked with them this time, and have booked my mum on a flight with them this week to Rome, but this was a let down.

[ATNotts]

It was not apparent at booking or at any time prior to boarding that it would be operated by aleased aircraft.


Why should they advise you. You've booked a Monarch flight (ZB flight number) which is exactly what you got.

If it was a code share, operated by another carrier as part of a marketing agreement then I think you might have been told, though I don't know if the carrier is legally bound to tell you.

[alpha.charlie]

It was not apparent at booking or at any time prior to boarding that it would be operated by aleased aircraft.

That is disappointing, I thought we had been writing to people to tell them that the flights were to be operated by someone else?

[Cloud1]

The airline should advise if they are not the operating carrier - however where there is a short notice lease, it is very unusual to be told as they have more important priorities like getting you to your destination.

I have seen both the B733 and B734 and to be honest, the 733 does look a little tatty but in all honesty apart from those with the knowledge do we really think the average family will take any notice? A plane is a plane to them.

[Groundbased]

Fair point about the notification, although I would have appreciated it.

my Mother in Law who is 73 accompanied us, and although she knows absolutely nothing about aircraft offered the opinion that this one had seen better days.

I don't have an objection to alternative aircraft being used, but I do think they should comparable in age and condition to what would have been employed by the carrier themselves.

[ematom1]

Can anyone let me know east midlands airport frequencies for monarch?
Thanks

[Fansfail]

Does anyone know when Monarch are going to be taking delivery of new airframes and exactly what they will be?

We know the airline is expanding, opening new bases, routes and recruiting significant numbers of crew.... Presumably they are due for a delivery of new a/c over the winter.

I did hear about an old order from First Choice airbuses coming Monarch's way, any ideas if and when?

Obviously they are running a schedule they don't have the aeroplanes for at the moment, hence the subletting and delays. The sooner they arrive the better hopefully and they won't need to sub-let next summer. :)

[crewmeal]

BBC have caught up with the TFS delay. It was on Midlands Today at lunchtime

BBC News - Monarch broken aircraft passengers stranded in Tenerife (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-19319612)

Have Monarch bitten off more than they can chew with all these delays and subcharters? Have developed BHX at BMIBay's expense is one thing but operating the routes and unreliability is another. All this will play right into FR's hands.

[WHBM]

Why should they advise you. You've booked a Monarch flight (ZB flight number) which is exactly what you got.
Not so, because Monarch in their press statement immediately tried to offload the blame to Aurela.

BBC News - Monarch broken aircraft passengers stranded in Tenerife (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-19319612)

One does wonder how much support a Lithuanian-based operator receives in the Canary Islands compared to Monarch themselves, as it seems to have taken two days for the AOG spares to be even on their way to the aircraft - all of which points back to the customers receiving something which is not "exactly" what they booked.

[crewmeal]

Why should they advise you. You've booked a Monarch flight (ZB flight number) which is exactly what you got.

No it isn't. The customer's contract is with Monarch. It's up to them to deal with the problems and advise passengers accordingly, even if they have subcharted the flight out. Remember the op is still Monarch's and whoever is subcharted will be using Monarch's callsign and slot.

[HH6702]

Heard a few people over the last week or so saying that monarch are to base an aircraft at NCL from may 2013...

Anybody know anything about this?
is this aircraft instead of a TCX aircraft are thomas cook chartering out some of it's work to other airlines?

[ATNotts]

Remember the op is still Monarch's and whoever is subcharted will be using Monarch's callsign and slot.

Crewmeal

Take your point, but had the a/c been painted in Monarch scheme, but still be a wet lease I actually doubt whether the average passenger would be any the wiser.

The passenger would have got a ZB flight, flown on what looks to all intents and purposes to be a Monarch aircraft.

Did, for example, Syrian Arab have to tell their passengers (many years ago) that their B707 flight was "operated on their behalf by British Midland"? Yes, I'm really showing my age now!

[MKY661]

The A320's don't swap that much - occasionally one will position out on a Tuesday night to Luton with one coming in the opposite direction but mid-July was the last time that happened. The 321's seem to change often but not really checked where and when. Reason for this is because the two recently aquired A320's are based at BHX for the summer.

Does anyone know when Monarch are going to be taking delivery of new airframes and exactly what they will be?Not sure what they are but I think there are four more aircraft due to arrive this winter. One of the A300's is also leaving the fleet and possibly one of the A320's but that may become a standby aircraft.

[TSR2]

Take your point, but had the a/c been painted in Monarch scheme, but still be a wet lease I actually doubt whether the average passenger would be any the wiser.


Oh I'm sure they would. The CC and standard of service would be a big give-away.

I for one would be pretty pi$$ed off if I had booked a Monarch flight and some other outfit turns up. I would have booked the Monarch flight in the full knowledge of what to expect from experience. Any pre-planned substitute aircraft is not acceptable to me.

[WHBM]

Any pre-planned substitute aircraft is not acceptable to me.
Haven't Monarch had Aurela operating for them all season ?

[OltonPete]

WHBM

It started from BHX in the third week of July.

An A300 has been dispatched from Gatwick to pick up the delayed 733 pax and they should be back by about to 2-3 in the morning.

I have not heard any further news re the 733.

Titan have operated both Aurela flights today.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The A320 is leaving in November along with the A300.
Two new a/c in March and two more new a/c in April.
Still looking for others to join the fleet, for next summer.