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F35Blitz
7th Jul 2019, 13:04
Hey guys,
long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been applying for RAAF pilot ADFA since last year and recently attended my ASP. I unfortunately did not recieve an offer as a RAAF Pilot, however I was offered to attend the OSB for Army, Navy Pilot and RAAF Mission.
I am pleased with my results and am planning to attend the OSBs however I have a few queries. While I would happily accept a career in these jobs, I have always been strongly motivated to become a RAAF pilot. If I was to accept an offer from another branch/career will I be able to transfer to RAAF Pilot and when (1-4 years?)?. Would it be more ideal to wait an entire year and reattend another ASP.

To answer the previous question from Fred, there was two people on my ASP who had already previously attended the course and both received a RAAF Pilot offer. They both had similar results to my ASP results.

Sorry for the horrible read, I typed this up quickly on a shitty phone.

Thanks!

The Ayatollah
10th Jul 2019, 08:45
If you really want to be a RAAF pilot then by all means wait a year and come back.

If you want to do some awesome flying in some awesome aircraft regardless of service, then Iíd recommend considering both army and navy. Youíll have just as much (maybe more?) fun flying helos as you would flying RAAF.

As for service transfers, it happens, but if you join army or navy just to join the raaf you likely wonít last.

And as for mission, itís not my cup of tea. If you want to be a co pilot apply for AvWO, cause romeos are awesome and hunting subs would be a hoot.

Good luck!

fluroredbubbles
25th Jul 2019, 13:02
Hey all,

I'm 16 years old and currently in year 10 with a very strong desire to one day join the RAAF as a pilot, I've done a lot of research and can only think of this career going ahead, and have been doing so for quite some time now. I only have a few questions.

Next year, i'm studying general math and english with average scores (60 - 70%) with physics, psychology and legal studies and thinking about getting a cert 2 in a trade of some sort (mechanical engineering, automotive etc) the certificate is connected with school and basically counts as a subject, meaning I graduate with an ATAR and a certificate in a trade. I'm only thinking of doing a trade with school as it's just an added bonus with an ATAR, and all my brothers wish they had of done it.

I'm thinking of applying as soon as I finish school as a direct entry to a pilot although I can do it as early as 16 years and 6 months, being a pilot is my main focus, nothing else. I've done work experience up at RAAF Base Sale, volunteer as a lifesaver every summer, participate in multiple team sports and work as a basketball referee and part time at a chemist delivering medicine. I have no experience flying although I'm thinking of taking 1 normal flight lesson and then a few aerobatic flights, as a RPL is too expensive for me.

Is there anything I should consider changing?

I'm completely open to answering any questions and suggestions, such as getting experience in a specific workplace etc, just trying to get as much help as possible.

Thanks for your time and again i'm open to all responses :)

BoxBoxCheez
1st Aug 2019, 22:33
Hey all,

I'm 16 years old and currently in year 10 with a very strong desire to one day join the RAAF as a pilot, I've done a lot of research and can only think of this career going ahead, and have been doing so for quite some time now. I only have a few questions.

Next year, i'm studying general math and english with average scores (60 - 70%) with physics, psychology and legal studies and thinking about getting a cert 2 in a trade of some sort (mechanical engineering, automotive etc) the certificate is connected with school and basically counts as a subject, meaning I graduate with an ATAR and a certificate in a trade. I'm only thinking of doing a trade with school as it's just an added bonus with an ATAR, and all my brothers wish they had of done it.

I'm thinking of applying as soon as I finish school as a direct entry to a pilot although I can do it as early as 16 years and 6 months, being a pilot is my main focus, nothing else. I've done work experience up at RAAF Base Sale, volunteer as a lifesaver every summer, participate in multiple team sports and work as a basketball referee and part time at a chemist delivering medicine. I have no experience flying although I'm thinking of taking 1 normal flight lesson and then a few aerobatic flights, as a RPL is too expensive for me.

Is there anything I should consider changing?

I'm completely open to answering any questions and suggestions, such as getting experience in a specific workplace etc, just trying to get as much help as possible.

Thanks for your time and again i'm open to all responses :)

Mate your CV is 10x better than mine was, youíve put some good thought into and started planning early which is great.

Donít be too closed off to the idea of taking the ADFA route rather than DEO. You sound like a smart cookie that enjoys a full extra curricula calendar, exactly what the Academy offers. You get a free degree and get paid to learn, and that extra experience at studying whilst juggling real issues like pay, loans, leave etc will really help when you hit BFTS (or whatever weíre calling it these days!).

theuploader3194
6th Aug 2019, 00:55
Any news on the Army and Navy opening the pilot pipeline for DEO or RMC again?

MLed
8th Aug 2019, 03:34
Hey all. Long time reader, only posted a couple times. Just wanted to say thanks for all the discussion and good info over the years. My application started in 2012 and I was lucky enough to get a RAN pilot offer yesterday. For all those that may have struggles with your application or if itís taking a while, if itís what you really want BE PERSISTENT. There were occasions where it was 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I had long long hold ups from dfr and particularly medical section but if you hang in there and donít take no for an answer, you can do it, even if it takes 7 years haha. I always wanted to see other people during my application give some hope to me, so donít give up.

fluroredbubbles
8th Aug 2019, 13:18
Hey all. Long time reader, only posted a couple times. Just wanted to say thanks for all the discussion and good info over the years. My application started in 2012 and I was lucky enough to get a RAN pilot offer yesterday. For all those that may have struggles with your application or if itís taking a while, if itís what you really want BE PERSISTENT. There were occasions where it was 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I had long long hold ups from dfr and particularly medical section but if you hang in there and donít take no for an answer, you can do it, even if it takes 7 years haha. I always wanted to see other people during my application give some hope to me, so donít give up.

Hey mate congratulations on the offer, during the 7 years of waiting did you take up any other jobs?

MLed
8th Aug 2019, 16:00
Yeah for sure. I started uni and did things to improve my application like volunteer work and furthering education. Donít put off any opportunities while youíre waiting because you never know how long it may take, and it looks a whole lot better to say ďlook at all Iíve done whilst applyingĒ instead of ďIíve just been waiting around for thisĒ

GiBrMn
11th Aug 2019, 13:12
Hey everyone, been trawling here for a long time and this thread has been keeping me going during the long waits. Finally have my RAAF OSB for pilot booked in Melbourne this coming Friday, I'm feeling pretty prepared and I'm super pumped. Anyone else here attending this OSB? Also it's probably been asked a million times but here I go, is the score from ASP the main ranking criteria for selection or is it just an indicator with the OSB being the main selector? I got a strong recommendation from ASP, so hopefully that makes me more competitive.

Any last minute advice for the little things that you wish someone had told you?

MLed
12th Aug 2019, 07:57
Hey everyone, been trawling here for a long time and this thread has been keeping me going during the long waits. Finally have my RAAF OSB for pilot booked in Melbourne this coming Friday, I'm feeling pretty prepared and I'm super pumped. Anyone else here attending this OSB? Also it's probably been asked a million times but here I go, is the score from ASP the main ranking criteria for selection or is it just an indicator with the OSB being the main selector? I got a strong recommendation from ASP, so hopefully that makes me more competitive.

Any last minute advice for the little things that you wish someone had told you?

For distribution they take into account ASP scores and OSB comments/recommendations, although my ASP wasnít even mentioned at my OSB.
As for advice, try to know as much as possible (aircraft, equipment, squadrons, operations, current affairs, etc) and have a think about your strengths/weaknesses, and what attributes make a good leader. If youíre prepared, nothing should really catch you off guard too much. Be enthusiastic, be honest, and best of luck.

Theangelplan
14th Aug 2019, 10:51
//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (cutoff for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given Iím aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances arenít looking good lmao.

Stiff Under Carriage
26th Aug 2019, 14:18
//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot, having been forced to apply for medicine by parents. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (literally the last assessment day for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given Iím aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances arenít looking good lmao.





There's heaps of ASP courses remaining this year. Last OSB is Nov though I think. Not sure if DEO or ADFA entry methods are different though.

themrmatt
29th Aug 2019, 22:56
Theangelplan I'm in a similar situation. I'm in New Zealand and I sat my YOU session last earlier this week. I unlocked the pilot role no problem but I was told I can't progress until my New Zealand school results have been converted to the Australian System. I submitted those to NESA on Monday but they won't be returned for 10 working days. DFR said they will try and arrange an additional pilot testing session and an assessment day as soon as my results have come back, possibly even on the same day.

If I manage to finish assessment day by say, the 11th of September, will it be possible to attend ASP and OSB in time for 2020 ADFA or have I missed the cutoff? DFR said they don't actually have access to the exact cutoff date so I'm not really sure if it's possible or not. I've heard ASP and OSB can take a while to get into so I'm cutting it pretty fine. I'm really trying to aim for 2020 as I'm in my last year of school so I'd rather not have to wait around a whole year for 2021.

rickyrider35
6th Sep 2019, 10:10
Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:


As a result of this decision your application for ADF service will not be processed further. However, should you have new medical evidence that the medical condition has resolved (cured or long term remission in the absence of ongoing treatment) and the risk of recurrence is low or that the diagnosis is incorrect, then you may request a review of decision. This medical evidence may include a repeat Ophthalmologist report - ideally performed by Personal Eyes as it should include all of the Aviation Ophthalmologist examination parameters. The request must be submitted in writing to DFRC Sydney - Medical Section [email protected] within the 12 weeks following the date of this letter. The request should be submitted to the DFRC medical section address below




To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!

13Beast
9th Sep 2019, 15:34
Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:


To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!

​​​​​​Having been through an appeal process regarding eyesight, in answer to your questions:
1. Yes. Except six weeks as a minimum. This is Medical, they are their own beast. Get in quick as its coming up to end of year and everything shuts down from early Dec, so ideally you'd want a successive appeal and be back on track with a new offer prior to the end of the year.
2. Two wouldn't hurt. More supporting evidence for your appeal.
3. Maybe, maybe not. Get onto the appeal quick and stay very close with your EC; they can keep you abreast as to what positions/intakes are still likely to be available

sharpend
9th Sep 2019, 21:54
I missed episode 3, but watched a recording tonight, so late call from me. Yes, it was interesting and showed me how much had changed since I was a TWU instructor. When Beagle was a student and I his instructor (yes, I'm even older than him), he had a huge choice of postings. Harriers, Jaguars, Lightnings (EE version), Buccs, Canberras, Phantoms (think that is where Beagle went to) to name a few. I may even missed a few & do remember sending one student to VC10s. Moreover, not to be able to drop real bombs, fire real rockets and guns is not as much fun. Additionally, the actual hit is more important that a pic of a simulated hit. I do recall many times I had my gun camera film debriefed by a QWI who said it was rubbish, what was my score?; to which I replied Direct Hit (DH). There is no substitute for live weapons. That said, however, I do like the modern technology whereby Instructors can debrief the fight on computer. I never got to fly ACMI.

FlyingSoon
15th Sep 2019, 10:00
Army pilots are currently under a "no service transfers accepted" policy, so don't join Army with the expectation of making the jump.

Niku.
16th Sep 2019, 11:50
Hey All,
Just finishing up my last pieces of assessment for Year 11, and since I'm shooting for ADFA next year, I have a question with regard to my school results. I'm currently doing straight maths/science (English, Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Chem, Physics and Biol), and I will be continuing this into Year 12. What impact will my Year 11 and/or Year 12 results have on my application? I know I would have to achieve the required ATAR for my course at ADFA, but do my results in Year 11 have any affect?

Thanks in advance.

Stiff Under Carriage
18th Sep 2019, 13:30
Hey All,
Just finishing up my last pieces of assessment for Year 11, and since I'm shooting for ADFA next year, I have a question with regard to my school results. I'm currently doing straight maths/science (English, Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Chem, Physics and Biol), and I will be continuing this into Year 12. What impact will my Year 11 and/or Year 12 results have on my application? I know I would have to achieve the required ATAR for my course at ADFA, but do my results in Year 11 have any affect?

Thanks in advance.

Might depend on your Yr12 results... Either way, the best result you can possibly give them is YOUR best chance of getting to where you wanna go. There's not a lot you can do about Yr11 results now, so if they are not so good, do better in Yr12, if they are good, try and do better in Yr12. Get me?

Best of luck, heads down, stay away from distractions and remain focused.

Myk92
9th Oct 2019, 08:16
Hi everyone.

I'm currently in the queue for ASP, been offered a spot in November but need to delay.

I've been searching for as much information as possible regarding the ASP, but the best I can find is to download the CBAT app and do decimal multiplication type speed tests.

My question is, Is there anything else I can practice with?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

PP0595
19th Oct 2019, 07:51
Hi all, been lurking here for a while.

I have my ASP coming up next month, and I was wondering what tips/tricks people have to work through the complex SDT questions? For example, ďwhat speed covers 297 miles in 3 hours and 40 minutes?Ē

It seems that any time an odd number gets thrown in, I get thrown out.

Any help would be much appreciated, as well as if anyone could share some gauge on how complex the SDT will be?

Cheers.

hansfalkenhagen
20th Oct 2019, 10:24
@PP0595
3 x 14 was the most difficult equation on the ASP. no joke.

asuthe13
8th Nov 2019, 05:14
Hi all, been lurking here for a while.

I have my ASP coming up next month, and I was wondering what tips/tricks people have to work through the complex SDT questions? For example, ďwhat speed covers 297 miles in 3 hours and 40 minutes?Ē

It seems that any time an odd number gets thrown in, I get thrown out.

Any help would be much appreciated, as well as if anyone could share some gauge on how complex the SDT will be?

Cheers.

I used to look at these questions and wonder how anyone did it in their head, but its deceptively easy.
3 hours and 40 minutes is 3 and 2/3rds of an hour, which is 11/3 hours.
297/11 is 27. 27x3 is 81.
81mph

arishap
15th Nov 2019, 03:36
Hey Everyone

I'm a 19yr old Uni Student applying for a role as a Joint Battlefield Airspace Controller or Air Traffic Controller in the RAAF. I was wondering if anyone else has been through the process for this role or if any successful applicants could shed some light on their experience.

Thanks heaps!!

fluroredbubbles
17th Nov 2019, 13:12
For anyone who took the ADFA journey or have been accepted, (or really just whoever has anything to do with it) how hard is it to get in? How well do you need to perform and what should your ATAR be looking like to even consider the ADFA route?

finestkind
20th Nov 2019, 21:29
flbbbles or can I just call you b**bs

The ATAR is up to you in regards to the degree you wish to pursue. In saying that it's a competitive (nasty non PC correct word that is no longer used in recruiting for the ADF) process. Mate you should be able to work out that if your chasing a high 70's ATAR for an ARTS degree their are a lot in the same boat with only a limited number of spots available. So say you'r chasing a high 80's ATAR for an engineering degree and achieve this but all spots are filled and you than say I'll take an ARTS degree who do you think is going to get that spot, the 70's ATAR or the 80's?

In respect to how hard is it to get in. Nothing is hard if you want it but again it is a competitive process, limited spots against the number applying.

flyboyjimjim
5th Dec 2019, 06:08
Hey All,

First of all congratulations to anyone that has recently been accepted into the ADF for aircrew, your hard work has truly paid off and you deserve full credit!

I have a quick question. Unfortunately at my 2 ASP's I was knocked back for Air Force pilot. I fully believe I can reach the standard required as first time being so young (16) I did feel quite nervous and made many silly mistakes, which really brought my score down, and second time I did perform much better with a cooler head (being older at 18), however I genuinely feel as though with the appropriate practice and experience my third attempt will be even better. I ranked quite high in some of the domains and just need to try and improve one or two (mainly strategic task management).

In the mean time before I go back, and whilst I complete my degree (I've just completed the first year of a four year mech and aero engineering degree), I have considered joining the reserves in some capacity, to not only improve my officer potential and demonstrate military motivation, but also to just genuinely serve my country in some capacity before I am able to hopefully fully dedicate myself to the service in the role I have always dreamed of.

Would joining the reserves be feasible if I want to later serve as a pilot (or even mission if pilot is not an option third time round), and if so, what would be the best roles (officer or enlisted) to join as for a future potential pilot (regardless of if they're recruiting for them at this moment)? I was thinking the top ones in the air force would be Intelligence officer or Ops manager (both are offered as reserve roles), but I'm open to any suggestions from all three services. Finally, if I am fortunate to enter into the reserves as an officer, would I need to repeat officer training, as it appears to be identical to full time?

Thank you for reading all of that! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone has tips for improving strategic task management, I'm more than happy to hear that as well! :)

Grey_Man
23rd Dec 2019, 06:07
G'day jimjim,

I don't think reserve time would overly assist you in your application for Pilot. One big thing to take in to the recruitment centres though - apply for the job that you want and if they tell you they aren't recruiting for that position at the moment, tell them that is all you want.

They have targets to meet and are fulfilling a role of someone not much better than a car salesman. Don't trust what they say, if you encounter someone in those centres that cares about you, then you have found a very rare individual.

Also - most of them have no idea about the roles they are selling you.. no more of an idea than any random person who has a friend of a friend that does the role.

PP0595
23rd Dec 2019, 12:45
Also, to add to this... by joining the reserves you no longer compete for a “Direct Entry” target, rather you compete for an “In Service” target. This can be just as much if not more competitive because the number of targets is considerably lower, and you’ll find that the level of competition can be arguably higher (considering that being in service you have a leg-up by the way of networking, information access and corporate knowledge).

ND_98
30th Dec 2019, 16:01
Hey all, I have been using the forms for the last year and used them to prepare for my ASP that I attended in early November this year. I received a recommendation for pilot and I was just wondering if anyone knows when the next round of OSB's will be?

finestkind
16th Feb 2020, 05:22
Hi ND,

They do have dates for OSB's but also will ramp up extra ones if they have not been able to get the numbers they want. I am guessing you would have been told about the "standing" of applicants with this being a fluctuating thing as applicants come in and depart. Basically you just have to wait.

Jos G
2nd Mar 2020, 22:23
Hey guys I had a question,

I wear Ortho K (Google of needed) contact lenses which I just wear at night and it corrects my vision back to 20/20. I only got these recently and am yet to make the DFR aware of these. My Optometrist says that its my choice if I want to tell them, but I don't want it to impact my chances.

Anyone in a similar situation or a suggestion?

PP0595
3rd Mar 2020, 10:28
Hey guys I had a question,

I wear Ortho K (Google of needed) contact lenses which I just wear at night and it corrects my vision back to 20/20. I only got these recently and am yet to make the DFR aware of these. My Optometrist says that its my choice if I want to tell them, but I don't want it to impact my chances.

Anyone in a similar situation or a suggestion?
ĎIntegrityí is one of our values and what you will find is that people stay true to that. If as part of your medical they ask for information referencing your eye sight or any enhancements, I wouldnít be hiding anything. Not to say you need to run down to DFR at first light and let them know, but be smart and be fair. This is what you should and would expect in the aircrew environment.

Realistically, and maybe a hard truth to encounter - but if it is something that the AVMO consider to be a concern, fair chance itís for good reason. Limitations that arenít a factor are taken on board and managed appropriately, but if it is a limiting factor then it may ruin your chances - though itís better than not having your mates back when you least expect it during operations.

ND_98
17th Apr 2020, 08:08
Hi again everyone,
Last month I successfully passed my RAAF OSB for pilot. Is there anyone else on this forum who is currently awaiting a letter of offer?
Also, I currently work full time and have not studied since i graduated high school in 2016. I undertook an extension mathematics bridging course last year, after i was told in 2017 that my mathematics was not competitive enough to send me to the old flight screening program when that used to run. Is there any other short courses or study that I could take on to make my application look better? I am considering starting a 3 year aviation based degree but not sure if it is worth taking on such a big commitment at this stage.
Thanks.

GiBrMn
20th Apr 2020, 06:08
Hi again everyone,
Last month I successfully passed my RAAF OSB for pilot. Is there anyone else on this forum who is currently awaiting a letter of offer?
Also, I currently work full time and have not studied since i graduated high school in 2016. I undertook an extension mathematics bridging course last year, after i was told in 2017 that my mathematics was not competitive enough to send me to the old flight screening program when that used to run. Is there any other short courses or study that I could take on to make my application look better? I am considering starting a 3 year aviation based degree but not sure if it is worth taking on such a big commitment at this stage.
Thanks.

Hey Mate, I just got my letter of offer so hopefully your one is coming too. Don't stress to hard if you don't get one though as I did my OSB in September last year and only just now received it. If you wan't to do a degree then do one, but do it with the assumption you won't get in as a pilot and it will lead you down a career path you want. If you don't want a big commitment then I'd say your best bet is to do short term high reward things like volunteering or getting a job that has you leading a team of people.

Malakor1
20th Apr 2020, 09:52
Hi again everyone,
Last month I successfully passed my RAAF OSB for pilot. Is there anyone else on this forum who is currently awaiting a letter of offer?
Also, I currently work full time and have not studied since i graduated high school in 2016. I undertook an extension mathematics bridging course last year, after i was told in 2017 that my mathematics was not competitive enough to send me to the old flight screening program when that used to run. Is there any other short courses or study that I could take on to make my application look better? I am considering starting a 3 year aviation based degree but not sure if it is worth taking on such a big commitment at this stage.
Thanks.

Congratulations passing the OSB! This is a great time to join the RAAF if aviation is your goal, the civil world is going to take a while to recover from this hit.

As for uni courses, I query why you think you need to make yourself more attractive as a candidate? If you passed and received a recommendation then it's locked in for now. I'm not too familiar with the new screening process, do they tell you how well you performed?

I personally wouldn't worry about the degree for now, I think there's other avenues you can go down to make yourself look better if that's what you're after (community service, volunteer work etc). Besides, if you get in you can study on the government dollar if you still want to do a degree.

ND_98
24th Apr 2020, 08:08
Congratulations passing the OSB! This is a great time to join the RAAF if aviation is your goal, the civil world is going to take a while to recover from this hit.

As for uni courses, I query why you think you need to make yourself more attractive as a candidate? If you passed and received a recommendation then it's locked in for now. I'm not too familiar with the new screening process, do they tell you how well you performed?

I personally wouldn't worry about the degree for now, I think there's other avenues you can go down to make yourself look better if that's what you're after (community service, volunteer work etc). Besides, if you get in you can study on the government dollar if you still want to do a degree.

Thanks alot mate! Definitely nice to know that I've done all I can until this point. In terms of the degree, it's more so just in case I have to re apply next year, to make my self look better if I don't get an offer this year. My ASP standing was competitive enough to progress me but my debriefer said it's on the lower end of candidates that pass through. Just trying to prepare anything I can so if I have to redo my ASP and OSB I have an even better chance.
As for volunteering work, I was doing quite a bit of volunteering stuff before all this COVID-19 situation, which is why a degree is really the only other thing I can think of to help better my application.

Karan Johal
8th May 2020, 12:42
Hi Guys,I have my pilot specialist testing coming up soon and just want to ask what you guys would recommend that I study besides the normal stuff like velocity, acceleration, and quick maths calculations. It's just that I've heard it a tough exam and only like 15% of people pass it.

Thanks.

Kallin James
17th May 2020, 04:35
Hey guys, Iím just wondering what my chances are of being a successful candidate for Raaf pilot. Iíve passed the you session and additional testing. Got to the psych interview, got through what seemed like most the questions and then got asked if I had a drivers license. I told them I recently lost it for 6 months for speeding. (I didnít want to lie). They told me to come back for my assessment day 9 months later. I also didnít finish year 12 but got to advance because I emailed my transcripts for a couple of cert 4s and a semester at uni for exercise science. Since then I havenít been able to study or work because of my license and the isolation thatís going on and Iím not attending uni anymore.
Ive just been studying my ass off for months and hoping I ace the assessment and ASP in hope of standing a chance. Would that be enough or would my downfalls stop me from advancing.
Thanks for any reply.

finestkind
18th May 2020, 08:18
Kallin if you do not try than that will be a downfall.

Kallin James
18th May 2020, 10:07
Kallin if you do not try than that will be a downfall.
oh yes Iím definitely going to try my best. I just hope them concerns donít ruin my chances.

Aurelius
27th Jun 2020, 00:44
Good morning all,

I have passed my RAAF Pilot Assessment Day and have heard (unofficially) that RAAF is considering running ASPs in Canberra starting in around 3 weeks, as a result of the border closures in Victoria presently. Has anyone on this forum heard anything that could corroborate this rumour?

Cheers,

Pierre Liu
20th Jul 2020, 07:24
Hi Aurelius,

Can confirm that ASPs are running in Canberra (Royal Military College Duntroon). Mine was scheduled Monday 20-24th July, but postponed due to their one week notice. Was advised to expect one week notices during this challenging period.

I am currently awaiting for further instructions and have been told I will likely be in the next session scheduled in the next 2-3 weeks.

Hope that helps.

P

krab
16th Oct 2020, 03:12
G'Day Everyone,

After combing through every single message on this forum, and a fair amount of time within DFR, I can finally say that I have completed every aspect of the recruitment process and am now awaiting a LOO for RAAF Pilot (ADFA). I was just curious if anyone knows when the next round of offers are coming out, or a rough timeframe of when to possibly expect an offer.

Cheers,

K

finestkind
16th Oct 2020, 05:52
Congrats krab. Just confirming you have successfully completed ASP and the OSB.

krab
16th Oct 2020, 10:22
Thank you FinestKind.

Yes, I have.

Just to clarify my situation a little further, I sat my first ASP last year, however was not competitive enough to progress through for RAAF Pilot. I was offered a few other roles, including Navy AvWO, and attended a board for that where I got a 'High Recommendation'. Even though that sounded like a really rewarding role, after a bit of consideration I chose to decline that LOO as my dream has always been to fly fixed wing. I went through my Assessment Day again, and have just completed my ASP for the second time where I unlocked all roles. It was mentioned to me that the RAAF was able to accept my Navy OSB scores, so I am not required to attend another OSB.

I was just curious about others experiences in how long they had to wait for receiving a LOO, and also if the RAAF would possibly look unfavourably on Navy OSB scores in comparison to RAAF ones.

Cheers,

K

afl123
22nd Oct 2020, 07:55
Hi Krab,

I completed by OSB for RAAF ADFA pilot and mission in mid-september. I passed my ASP earlier in July and was put through for all defence ADFA aviation roles but chose only to progress for RAAF.

I was notified yesterday that I would receive an offer for mission in the next week or so and possibly for pilot within the next few weeks. I assume offer rounds will then start next week and will progress for the next month or so.

Hope that helps.

krab
28th Oct 2020, 13:57
G'Day Afl123,

Thanks for that info, I really appreciate it.

I actually received a Letter of Offer for RAAF Pilot a little earlier. I'd just like to thank all the contributors on this thread over the years, it has been a priceless resource for preparation! I'd also just like to take the time to tell anyone who is currently in the the DFR pipeline, and those thinking about pursuing a career in OA; have a shot. If you are motivated and driven, you will get there in the end. I was in the DFR pipeline for quite some time, and I think the most important thing is to have confidence in yourself. That's all for now. Best of Luck!

Cheers,

K

JeffoWA
2nd Nov 2020, 03:12
Hi Everyone,

I am wondering if anyone has yet received an offer for Air Force DEO pilot to begin Q1 next year?

Regards

FlyingSoon
22nd Dec 2020, 02:55
Thanks for another great year of questions and feedback in this thread. As the year winds up, I'd remind everyone starting in the ADF next year to be responsible over the Christmas break - don't injure yourself or get caught doing something stupid (drink driving, breaching COVID restrictions). It is an excellent time to be joining the military aviation community and you don't want it delayed by something stupid!

I also wish all those awaiting the next step in their recruiting process the best of luck. Merry Christmas to all.

jmagee
5th Jan 2021, 06:05
Hi Jeffo,

Have you received an offer or heard of any offers going out since posting your question? I'm also waiting to receive an offer for RAAF DEO Pilot.

Cheers

imperius
7th Jan 2021, 06:41
Hi Jeffo,

Have you received an offer or heard of any offers going out since posting your question? I'm also waiting to receive an offer for RAAF DEO Pilot.

Cheers

Also in the same boat, looks like January and Feb intakes are all full so they're looking to fill the remaining spots for the following months

JeffoWA
31st Jan 2021, 11:23
Hi Jeffo,

Have you received an offer or heard of any offers going out since posting your question? I'm also waiting to receive an offer for RAAF DEO Pilot.

Cheers

Hi Mate

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

I missed out on the offers for Jan + Feb as well. As far as I know the next intake is in April with most of the offers going out in March, but I also know of a few offers that have already gone out for April...

Although theyíre not allowed to give exact numbers my EC told me thereís normally 5-10 spots at each OTS course for aviation (not all of which are pilot), so if some have already been issued for April Iím not particularly hopeful, but fingers crossed.

I assume the pool is filled with great candidates at the moment so we just need to wait and hope.

Anyway feel free to send me a message if you wanna get in contact 🤙🏻

Cheers mate

quickanddeadly
14th Feb 2021, 03:03
Hey all,

I am in the same boat waiting for RAAF DEO, did my ASP in June 2020 and OSB in October. Was waiting on med clearance which came through just before Christmas, but have heard that April intake has now been split in two, those with offers already are enlisting in March and the unfilled positions are enlisting in May. Unsure when those offers will be coming out, hopefully March.

Cheers.

Fritz_
20th Feb 2021, 05:35
Thank you FinestKind.

Yes, I have.

Just to clarify my situation a little further, I sat my first ASP last year, however was not competitive enough to progress through for RAAF Pilot. I was offered a few other roles, including Navy AvWO, and attended a board for that where I got a 'High Recommendation'. Even though that sounded like a really rewarding role, after a bit of consideration I chose to decline that LOO as my dream has always been to fly fixed wing. I went through my Assessment Day again, and have just completed my ASP for the second time where I unlocked all roles. It was mentioned to me that the RAAF was able to accept my Navy OSB scores, so I am not required to attend another OSB.

I was just curious about others experiences in how long they had to wait for receiving a LOO, and also if the RAAF would possibly look unfavourably on Navy OSB scores in comparison to RAAF ones.

Cheers,

K

Hi Krab,

Congratulations on your LOO for RAAF Pilot. I was wondering when you went to ASP for the second time round, what did you do differently in terms of study/prep that helped and did you find any useful practice tools that helped you prepare for ASP, other than the CBAT app?

Thanks Fritz

JeffoWA
14th Apr 2021, 04:33
Hi Guys

Just wanted to let you guys know I received an offer this week to begin OTS in May.

Thatís almost 4 years in the application pipeline for me so as you can imagine Iím over the moon.

Thanks to everyone thatís contributed info on this sub over the years and good luck with all your applications. Feel free to message me if you want to chat about anything

cheers

Myk92
19th Apr 2021, 10:48
Hi everyone - I've been one of the silent visitors of the forum looking to become a DEO Pilot.

After 2 years in the pipeline (this time around - first applied 10 years ago) - I have managed to secure a spot in the May OTS intake.

Just wanted to echo what a few of the posters above have mentioned by saying thanks to everyone that contributed.

Happy to answer any questions.

Cheers - Myk.

K777
26th Apr 2021, 13:48
Hey all,

I am in the same boat waiting for RAAF DEO, did my ASP in June 2020 and OSB in October. Was waiting on med clearance which came through just before Christmas, but have heard that April intake has now been split in two, those with offers already are enlisting in March and the unfilled positions are enlisting in May. Unsure when those offers will be coming out, hopefully March.

Cheers.
hey dear ,
could you please guide me in ASP?
If someone doesnít reach the minimum score to clear all officer jobs , do they need to wait for 12 months to go any other lower rank or they can immediately offered with any other lower rank ?

finestkind
28th Apr 2021, 11:22
hey dear ,
could you please guide me in ASP?
If someone doesnít reach the minimum score to clear all officer jobs , do they need to wait for 12 months to go any other lower rank or they can immediately offered with any other lower rank ?

Not too certain exactly what you are asking. If you are saying that the applicant was not recommended for officer entry due to their OSB than generally that is a 12 month wait to try again. If however you wish to than apply, straight after a non rec'd from the OSB, for entry as a Airman, Sailor or Soldier, that is a different type of entry and not required to wait.

SandpitNinja
19th Jun 2021, 05:49
Hi Guys,

I've been digging through this forum for the last few days in preparation for my upcoming ASP on the 11th of July down in East Sale.

I've found many golden nuggets of info which I think will help me in my journey to becoming a pilot. I just wanted to say a big thanks to everyone for the community spirit which has (for the most part) dominated this thread, especially to those who have gone through this process and share the benefit of hindsight with those of us who are about to have a crack.

To anyone who's in my position and is preparing for the same ASP, feel free to get in touch. It'll be good to have a friendly face by the time we get down there.

Cheers

-------------------------------------

Until you have a posting history you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls. Email a far more effective route at the moment.

pimpslayer
15th Jul 2021, 03:03
How'd it go? I've heard there's a new extra aviation battery.

SandpitNinja
16th Jul 2021, 04:02
Hi pimpslayer,

It went well for me, I ended up walking away with a high recommendation for Pilot. I was one of 2 out of 7 candidates on my course.
Everyone on my course Met the Required Standard (MRS) which is great and apparently quite rare, but not everyone got recommended for their first job preference.
SAYING THAT, most of the guys still did really well and were given recommendations for ARMY - Pilot which they're chuffed with.
one thing the ASP does really well is educate and motivate candidates on the different types of flying that all 3 services perform and most of us would have changed
our preferences even before getting our results based on the info they provide. Best advice is to go in with an open mind and listen to everything the advocates have to say.

I don't know what you mean about an additional aviation battery, if you want to elaborate I'm happy to share whatever I can, having been through it now.

The long and short of it is that if you've found the RAF CBAT TMI page (and trust me, they know TMI exists, they know PPrune exists and they know about the CBAT app)
which outlines the tests and have been practicing your mental arithmetic, there aren't TOO many curve balls. From that point it just comes down to how you do on the day.
Obviously they keep a few aces up their sleeve for the real testing and it really makes you think quite quickly in order to react effectively (fancy that for a military pilot application).

Good luck to anybody looking to attend ASP in the future.
It's a roller coaster, but if you think about it as a fun experience and make an effort to get along with the people on course, you really can't lose.

SandpitNinja
16th Jul 2021, 04:35
Another point I'll bring forward that I forgot to put in my last post.

Both candidates who were highly recommended by the MACTS testing had 0, zilch, zip, zero flying experience, so if that's holding you back because you're worried about how you might perform, don't let it.
Personally, I'm an Engineer and a gamer and I think that's what got me through.

pimpslayer
27th Jul 2021, 13:37
Hi SandpitNinja, thanks for the reply! Congratulations on passing, best of luck with your OSB.
I did a little bit of research, the new Officer Aviation Test Battery (OATB) I was talking about seems to be something you do at your local recruiting centre after your YOU session aptitude test, and before the ASP. Do you remember doing anything like that? I think it's a pretty new test, added within the last 6 months.

flyingbuddy
1st Oct 2021, 14:51
Hi Guys,
I'm preparing for the ASP which is in 4 days time. I know I left it till the last minute. But this is after rescheduling three times due to lockdown in NSW. I'm going to study on the CBAT app from today. Is there any other apps/material available which will make me ready for the day? Even though my name is flyingbuddy, I have never been to the cockpit of a plane 😅, which gives me so much pressure and anxiety about the ASP.
Thanks in advance for the tips.
Regards,
Yours truly

SandpitNinja
1st Oct 2021, 20:56
Hi Guys,
I'm preparing for the ASP which is in 4 days time. I know I left it till the last minute. But this is after rescheduling three times due to lockdown in NSW. I'm going to study on the CBAT app from today. Is there any other apps/material available which will make me ready for the day? Even though my name is flyingbuddy, I have never been to the cockpit of a plane 😅, which gives me so much pressure and anxiety about the ASP.
Thanks in advance for the tips.
Regards,
Yours truly

Hey Flyingbuddy,
From the email you sent me, I assumed you were talking about the additional testing day after the YOU session and before assessment day. Is this incorrect?
If I've given you the wrong info in my reply email I'm sorry, lmk (email will be faster) and I can point you in the right direction for some ASP info if needs be.

Have they changed the ASP due to lockdowns? Do you no longer have to go to RAAF East Sale in VIC?

I just assumed that due to Vic lockdowns they weren't running ASP at the moment, but makes sense that they would run satellite ASPs for interstate candidates to get them through the pipeline.

nick0
2nd Dec 2021, 06:54
Hi all,

I recently was recommended at my OSB for RAAF DEO pilot. Just wondering if anyone who still peruses this forum, or is in a similar position has any info regarding dates they will be sending out offer letters?

VHOEG
21st Dec 2021, 05:36
I was talking to DFR a few weeks back and they mentioned that they usually wait until the last minute (i.e. late December or very early Jan) before sending out letters of offer for ADFA, but for DEO candidates, it's x month(s) before the intake from what I've heard.
Definitely nothing concrete (and it wasn't 'official' information) but hope this helps a little; even if it's just hear-say.
Best of luck getting a letter of offer if you haven't already.

finestkind
22nd Dec 2021, 04:41
VHOEG,

it has always been this cycle. ADFA intake is early in the year and the last testing is done late in the year.