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finestkind
3rd May 2018, 02:58
Slezy9

Times may have changed. in my day you were posted to an aircraft type, hence F1-11. Nothing to do with your performance on fast jet conversion etc.

junior.VH-LFA
3rd May 2018, 09:40
I suspect you’re vastly over analysing the posting process.

Best performers get first preference, worst performers get last. Everyone gets something. You gotta be in it to win it though.

josephfeatherweight
3rd May 2018, 11:17
I suspect you’re vastly over analysing the posting process.
13 Beast - I also humbly suggest you're concerning yourself with this stuff at a SERIOUSLY early stage in the process - get in, and give it your best!

13Beast
3rd May 2018, 18:22
Thanks guys. Sure, I may be thinking far ahead, but this is all part of my enthusiasm and looking forward to what may eventuate if I worked hard enough and made it that far. Most definitely am aware that there is a LOT of hard work and hurdles to even make it that far, and focusing on tasks week by week in flight school, listening to the QFIs, helping/sharing with my peers, staying positive and motivated and always putting in the hours hitting the books and working on improving my flying and working on my weaknesses is the way to go. Making wings is a tremendous achievement in itself, let alone being one of those skilled few to be selected to go on to fast jet training.

josephfeatherweight
3rd May 2018, 22:36
:ok:

You've got a good attitude - you'll do well!

BordZ
7th May 2018, 03:58
Hi All,

This thread has been a goldmine of info. I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has contributed. I have ASP at the end of this month and the advice given through this thread has really given me some perspective on what to expect. It has also helped me formulate a study plan so I can be Better prepared then I would have been.

Once again thanks all.

cryptoniqht
7th May 2018, 10:45
Hi guys and gals,

I recently graduated uni with a Bachelors in Comp Sci and started the long application process for Pilot/ACO with my assessment day in a few weeks time. This thread has been incredibly helpful with providing material for preparation as well as insights into what the later stages of the process are like (ASP/OSB).

I originally wanted to apply for ACO as sitting behind a screen has always been my thing and I didn't think I had the competitive edge to make it through the pilot process. However I have since changed my mind and am now applying for both positions.

I was curious about those that have applied with a university degree, how much weight did this carry throughout the process? I am wondering as my grades in uni weren't exactly stellar (Credit Average) and my maths is a bit lacking as I only did General Maths in Year 12. I realise I am only still in the early stages of the process with my assessment day coming up but was curious if they went into much detail about your performance and extracurriculars at uni.

Cheers

seahawk01
7th May 2018, 12:12
Hi all,

I am currently in year 11, and was wondering whether anyone would be able to let me know whether doing advanced (2 Unit) mathematics would still make me a competitive pilot candidate?

Cheers

cryptoniqht
7th May 2018, 12:30
Has anyone applied with ACO as their first preference and Pilot as their second? I realise pilot is the only option a lot of people would take but I am equally interested in both roles with a slight preference towards ACO. If I don't meet the pilot standard in ASP is it likely that I will not meet the ACO standard either or are they significantly different?

Cheers for all the advice on this thread

SonicStrike
7th May 2018, 22:40
Hi guys and gals,

I recently graduated uni with a Bachelors in Comp Sci and started the long application process for Pilot/ACO with my assessment day in a few weeks time. This thread has been incredibly helpful with providing material for preparation as well as insights into what the later stages of the process are like (ASP/OSB).

I originally wanted to apply for ACO as sitting behind a screen has always been my thing and I didn't think I had the competitive edge to make it through the pilot process. However I have since changed my mind and am now applying for both positions.

I was curious about those that have applied with a university degree, how much weight did this carry throughout the process? I am wondering as my grades in uni weren't exactly stellar (Credit Average) and my maths is a bit lacking as I only did General Maths in Year 12. I realise I am only still in the early stages of the process with my assessment day coming up but was curious if they went into much detail about your performance and extracurriculars at uni.

Cheers

I applied with a Bachelor of Accounting with a credit average. The point that you were able to complete a university degree shows commitment and a sound level of ability to learn and apply. Iím not sure the weighting this holds across the entire process but I can imagine it would only be in your favour.

My advice is to make a correlation between your time at university and how those skills will be valuable in the role of Pilot or ACO. I would also do a little more research into the ACO role as there is far more than sitting behind a screen, such as opportunities in JTAC and the various mission planning areas. Good luck in your upcoming assessment session, if you prepare solid,logical and honest answers to their questions, you will breeze through.

EttaJames29
9th May 2018, 08:48
[QUOTE=cryptoniqht;10140278]Has anyone applied with ACO as their first preference and Pilot as their second? I realise pilot is the only option a lot of people would take but I am equally interested in both roles with a slight preference towards ACO. If I don't meet the pilot standard in ASP is it likely that I will not meet the ACO standard either or are they significantly different?

Cheers for all the advice on this thread[/QUOTE

Hi,

It is possible to recieve an offer for ACO and not pilot. In my ASP I only just passed the required standard for pilot, but had a strong result for ACO. The testing for ACO does not include hand eye coordination and (I think) is more heavily weighted towards Strategic Task Management (the ability to multitask under time pressure).

Hope that helps.

Slezy9
9th May 2018, 23:54
Has anyone applied with ACO as their first preference and Pilot as their second? I realise pilot is the only option a lot of people would take but I am equally interested in both roles with a slight preference towards ACO. If I don't meet the pilot standard in ASP is it likely that I will not meet the ACO standard either or are they significantly different?

Cheers for all the advice on this thread

I canít answer your question directly but...

I am not aware of any Navís (ACOís) who fail course then proceed directly to pilots course. Yet many who have failed pilots course proceed directly to NAV course. Thereís a reason pilots course is sometimes referred to pre-nav course!

BordZ
10th May 2018, 10:16
Random question, how would I go about getting in touch with a pilot or aco?

I have emailed the address as per the post assessment day documentation but have not got a response as of yet. Mind you I am probably getting ahead of myself here expecting a quick response.

The Ayatollah
10th May 2018, 21:48
Just call up a base and ask if you could speak to a pilot - or better yet see if you could arrange to go out for a day.

stichedup
10th May 2018, 23:26
Hey everyone.
First time posting here, I've recently completed my assessment day as a RAAF pilot, and have failed the estimation maths test. The recruiter was a great bloke and mentioned that I was close, and scored well enough in the other tests but unfortunately would not be able to progress for another 12 months.
Feels like I've had my guts ripped out, I don't want to give up on my dreams but I guess this is a bit of a wakeup call. I'll be 23 this time next year, and will be getting pretty old by the time i completed IMPS.
I'm lost, has anyone here been in my situation and still gotten through the selection process after failing? Will this act as a strike against my name when I get to OSB? Any advice into any other RAAF or military careers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.

BordZ Give your recruiting officer a call, they will put you in contact with a serving RAAF pilot at your closest base who would be happy to show you around. This is my experience.

BordZ
13th May 2018, 04:18
I am 28 and started the process when I was 27. I wouldn't get to hung up on the age aspect. Just try again next year, it's not over.

PP0595
16th May 2018, 08:43
Hey everyone.
I'm lost, has anyone here been in my situation and still gotten through the selection process after failing? Will this act as a strike against my name when I get to OSB? Any advice into any other RAAF or military careers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.


This definitely won't count as a strike against your name, if anything if you come back next year will only strengthen your position in the application. This shows that you are both motivated towards the role, and committed to making the steps forward needed to make you competitive. As long as you are honest with the board in your performance and progress it should be very positive in your favour.

peterpilot88
24th May 2018, 10:21
Hey everyone.
First time posting here, I've recently completed my assessment day as a RAAF pilot, and have failed the estimation maths test. The recruiter was a great bloke and mentioned that I was close and scored well enough in the other tests but unfortunately would not be able to progress for another 12 months.
Feels like I've had my guts ripped out, I don't want to give up on my dreams but I guess this is a bit of a wakeup call. I'll be 23 this time next year, and will be getting pretty old by the time I completed IMPS.
I'm lost, has anyone here been in my situation and still gotten through the selection process after failing? Will this act as a strike against my name when I get to OSB? Any advice on any other RAAF or military careers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.

BordZ Give your recruiting officer a call, they will put you in contact with a serving RAAF pilot at your closest base who would be happy to show you around. This is my experience.


Don't stress about your age mate. I applied when I was 17 after wanting to be a fighter pilot since I was 6, I advised that my high school OP was 23 and promptly told this wasn't a career for me as my file was closed in front of my crushed acne ridden face. I then tried to join as an Avtech hoping to move across to pilot internally. They offered me a position in the Navy, however, I decided to come back a little more competitive. I went away, redid grade 11 and 12 at TAFE as well as an external physics course which bumped that 23 up to a 6 equivalent. From there I started uni and completed a Bachelor of Aviation. On the side, I joined Crimestoppers, the SES and completed a number of leadership roles at uni. I have also completed my commercial pilot licence and multi-engine command instrument rating as part of the course too.

I reapplied, started the YOU session from scratch and was deemed competitive. I received a call to attend the FSP, however, my medical hadn't cleared. Apparently I have a condition known as mild Thrombocytopaenia, essentially a low platelet count. The normal range is 150 - 400, my results were 148. I was told I could not join any service in any role because of this. Many many emails, phone calls, verbal and written 'no's', specialist visits to oncologists, and even a bone marrow test later, I finally was approved to join. As ecstatic as I was, they quickly informed me my YOU session had lapsed and I would need to start the entire process for a third and final allowed time.

I completed the whole process yet again and have had to wait nearly another year since then while they have worked out this transition from FSP to ASP. I turn 30 in August, though I will be doing the ASP next week. While it's been a long road, persistence does pay off.

My cousin was in the RAAF for 23 years, he was a fighter combat instructor at 2OCU, he had seen 28-year-olds come through there.

Good luck with it, just remember that if it is really what you want, you'll get there.

Pillymonkey
25th May 2018, 00:07
Don't stress about your age mate. I applied when I was 17 after wanting to be a fighter pilot since I was 6, I advised that my high school OP was 23 and promptly told this wasn't a career for me as my file was closed in front of my crushed acne ridden face. I then tried to join as an Avtech hoping to move across to pilot internally. They offered me a position in the Navy, however, I decided to come back a little more competitive. I went away, redid grade 11 and 12 at TAFE as well as an external physics course which bumped that 23 up to a 6 equivalent. From there I started uni and completed a Bachelor of Aviation. On the side, I joined Crimestoppers, the SES and completed a number of leadership roles at uni. I have also completed my commercial pilot licence and multi-engine command instrument rating as part of the course too.

I reapplied, started the YOU session from scratch and was deemed competitive. I received a call to attend the FSP, however, my medical hadn't cleared. Apparently I have a condition known as mild Thrombocytopaenia, essentially a low platelet count. The normal range is 150 - 400, my results were 148. I was told I could not join any service in any role because of this. Many many emails, phone calls, verbal and written 'no's', specialist visits to oncologists, and even a bone marrow test later, I finally was approved to join. As ecstatic as I was, they quickly informed me my YOU session had lapsed and I would need to start the entire process for a third and final allowed time.

I completed the whole process yet again and have had to wait nearly another year since then while they have worked out this transition from FSP to ASP. I turn 30 in August, though I will be doing the ASP next week. While it's been a long road, persistence does pay off.

My cousin was in the RAAF for 23 years, he was a fighter combat instructor at 2OCU, he had seen 28-year-olds come through there.

Good luck with it, just remember that if it is really what you want, you'll get there.

G'day Peter,

Just wanted to ask how long your wait was from completing your assessment day to being offered a spot at ASP?

peterpilot88
27th May 2018, 07:40
My last Assessment day was 22nd of May 2017.

Cheers,

Pete.

josephfeatherweight
28th May 2018, 01:53
Peter, all the very best!
Your tireless efforts will no doubt pay off and are a testament to your character - best of luck at ASP!
That's been a hell of a ride for you!

peterpilot88
28th May 2018, 03:35
Thanks Joseph!

I will remain resolute to the bitter end if need be! I am of the belief you haven't failed until you give up.

ElFynn1214
1st Jun 2018, 09:12
ASP - I recently received an invitation to attend ASP (mid March) assuming I'll be one of the first. I'm seeking any assistance on how to prepare/what to expect as info in the letter was limited. I've applied for JBAC and already been recommended by OSB but still waiting for offer.
I know this is a pilots thread but since the testing is now combined across all OA roles I'm hoping to get some links to practice assessment likely to be included. Can anyone point me in the right direction for Aviation cognitive tests online?
The letter stated that the assessment component is all computer based consisting of aptitude testing using the Military Aviation Cognitive Testing System (MACTS).
It reads as if the test will be exactly the same regardless of the role applied for and I'm wary my flying aptitude is limited.
Thanks in advance for the assistance and I'm happy to contribute a brief if the ASP once completed.
Hi NickyG,

How are you going with your JBAC application?
I also have applied for ATC and I have my Assessment Day this month.

Feel free to message me as I tried to message you but it wouldn't let me.

Cheers

Birdyvii
7th Jun 2018, 00:09
Hey guys,

Yesterday I had my assessment day for a position as a RAAF pilot.

I'll keep this brief. Basically my school results were average (I'm not dumb, I was just lazy in school), but I passed everything to meet the requirements. Its been a few years since school and I am a much more motivated and committed person than I was back then. Yesterday in the test however, I scored extremely high and did well throughout the whole day. Now, I'm just wondering how much merit that will actually carry? Do the school results matter if they have proof that things have changed? I'm heading to ASP in about 2 months. I'm not too concerned and they told me that I shouldn't be either, just to keep studying. Can anyone give their experience in ASP? I'm aware that they use MACTS to test you.

Thanks guys.

kyle_
7th Jun 2018, 05:00
I just got an offer to Attend ASP from the 30th July to the 2nd August, three years in the waiting. Did anyone else get an offer to attend. Could direct message me.

megan
7th Jun 2018, 07:18
Those wishing a military flying career might wish to think outside the box. A young lad I've known since birth wanted to join the Navy as a pilot. Flunked the testing but was offered a Observer position which he accepted. Towards the end of his Observer commitment he applied again for Pilot which he passed. Dux at Pearce and RAAF offered him Hornets if he'd swap services. Declined, so at the age of 34 the newly graduated pilot decided to stay Navy and fly helos. More than one way to skin a cat.

Nate01
8th Jun 2018, 03:23
Iím currently waiting on an invite for ASP, and I was wondering whether anyone knows how often they sit the boards?

Nate01
8th Jun 2018, 06:36
I just got an offer to Attend ASP from the 30th July to the 2nd August, three years in the waiting. Did anyone else get an offer to attend. Could direct message me.

Congrats man on getting the offer,
Just wondering how long the wait has been since assessment day? I sat mine January this year and they gave me the heads up saying I might get an invite in July/August. Help is much appreciated.

Glenny
9th Jun 2018, 05:17
Hey guys,

Yesterday I had my assessment day for a position as a RAAF pilot.

I'll keep this brief. Basically my school results were average (I'm not dumb, I was just lazy in school), but I passed everything to meet the requirements. Its been a few years since school and I am a much more motivated and committed person than I was back then. Yesterday in the test however, I scored extremely high and did well throughout the whole day. Now, I'm just wondering how much merit that will actually carry? Do the school results matter if they have proof that things have changed? I'm heading to ASP in about 2 months. I'm not too concerned and they told me that I shouldn't be either, just to keep studying. Can anyone give their experience in ASP? I'm aware that they use MACTS to test you.

Thanks guys.

Well done mate 2 months is crazy fast you must have killed it. What was everyone else's average time before they were invited to asp? i've been waiting 8 months so far & have heard on average its 10-12, however hopefully the new asp system will speed it up like it supposed too.

TheTiger
10th Jun 2018, 09:31
Is anyone here going for ADFA entry and any advice from anyone whos done the new ASP? Any way to prepare

Hows the current demand for RAAF fast jet pilots

SonicStrike
11th Jun 2018, 06:38
Hey guys,

Yesterday I had my assessment day for a position as a RAAF pilot.

I'll keep this brief. Basically my school results were average (I'm not dumb, I was just lazy in school), but I passed everything to meet the requirements. Its been a few years since school and I am a much more motivated and committed person than I was back then. Yesterday in the test however, I scored extremely high and did well throughout the whole day. Now, I'm just wondering how much merit that will actually carry? Do the school results matter if they have proof that things have changed? I'm heading to ASP in about 2 months. I'm not too concerned and they told me that I shouldn't be either, just to keep studying. Can anyone give their experience in ASP? I'm aware that they use MACTS to test you.

Thanks guys.


Hey mate, congratulations on doing well on your assessment day and good luck in your upcoming ASP in a couple months.

The results from your assessment day carry a lot of merit and will be a factor in determining your suitability as an officer. The upcoming ASP and other testing you have completed will be the main factor in determining your suitability for air crew roles such as pilot.

My advice is to try enjoy yourself whilst on ASP and interact as much as possible with other candidates whilst you are there. The few days down there gives you a small insight into what it is like to live on base. Take every opportunity to learn about OTS from the officer cadets and officers down there and though pilot is the main role a lot of candidates apply for, have a serious think about other aviation roles that you will learn about during the ASP.

Donít stress about the school results, I had average school and university results but after receiving strong results for pilot at ASP in May and strong recommendations during the application process, I will be sitting a board next week for RAAF Pilot.

kyle_
11th Jun 2018, 22:48
Congrats man on getting the offer,
Just wondering how long the wait has been since assessment day? I sat mine January this year and they gave me the heads up saying I might get an invite in July/August. Help is much appreciated.

Hey Mate, i had my first assessment day mid 2016 passed fine and was recommended, however i had minor medical issues as I've had a knee recon. took me all of 2017 to get my medical cleared including several doctor visits and day Surgery's just to get reports for ADF. Couple thousand dollars in bills. My medical was cleared late last year but my assessment day expired so i resat it around October passed again with flying Colours. I had an offer for ASP in march but it was only three days notice cause someone pulled out so i couldn't get the time off work. Hence i'am here now and just got my offer last week for the 30th July. - 2nd August

EttaJames29
12th Jun 2018, 01:33
Has anyone been panelled for the August RAAF OTS intake yet? Iíve only just completed my OSB 2 weeks ago, and am not sure if Iíve made it in time for that course. If offers have already gone out, Iíll know to plan and hope for the January intake. Thanks :)

tayra
12th Jun 2018, 02:48
So far have only heard of offers going out for the July intake and only (that I know of) to those who had completed an OSB prior to their ASP. Perhaps the new financial year will bring some progress.

edit: apparently July is full up, no offers out for August as of last week.

BordZ
12th Jun 2018, 03:09
Has anyone been panelled for the August RAAF OTS intake yet? Iíve only just completed my OSB 2 weeks ago, and am not sure if Iíve made it in time for that course. If offers have already gone out, Iíll know to plan and hope for the January intake. Thanks :)

They are still doing osbs for the August intake. I imagine you will get a response in a couple weeks once they are done.

Glenny
12th Jun 2018, 10:50
So far have only heard of offers going out for the July intake and only (that I know of) to those who had completed an OSB prior to their ASP. Perhaps the new financial year will bring some progress.

edit: apparently July is full up, no offers out for August as of last week.


Hi tayra, got an offer today for the august asp. if anyone else gets one feel free to get in touch, see you all there hopefully :ok:

TheGoose
13th Jun 2018, 04:36
Hi guys

Been reading into this quite a bit looking for anything that can help. Had my assessment day recently and have just received an offer to attend a ASP, the guy at my local requirement couldn't offer me much help on the whole process however did help a little, was wondering if anyone that has been through the new ASP could offer me a little insight into how the whole thing will go.

other questions:
Any recommendations on areas of study?
lets say i pass it and get recommended for OSB what is the wait time in between ASP's and OSB's ?

Cheers

donpizmeov
13th Jun 2018, 06:20
Is the OSB pass rate higher now ASP has been introduced?

EttaJames29
14th Jun 2018, 01:14
Hi guys

Been reading into this quite a bit looking for anything that can help. Had my assessment day recently and have just received an offer to attend a ASP, the guy at my local requirement couldn't offer me much help on the whole process however did help a little, was wondering if anyone that has been through the new ASP could offer me a little insight into how the whole thing will go.

other questions:
Any recommendations on areas of study?
lets say i pass it and get recommended for OSB what is the wait time in between ASP's and OSB's ?

Cheers

People on my ASP completed OSB within 2 months. I'd recommend utilising the time at ASP to find out as much as you can about the role you are going for, the training involved and the military lifestyle. This will help you immensely at your OSB. Also, remember that the people running the ASP will have direct influence over your application progression, so ensure that you present yourself well. I'm not sure that you can study all that much for the actual testing. Practice mental maths and short term memory problems - that's about all I can think of. :)

kyle_
21st Jun 2018, 08:25
Hi tayra, got an offer today for the august asp. if anyone else gets one feel free to get in touch, see you all there hopefully :ok:

Glenny, what dates did you get an offer for? i'm going on the first week of August

Rich.ieP
21st Jun 2018, 09:33
Hey everyone just wanted to chime in to say thanks for all the great advice over the past year. Received a LOO for NEOC 59, hopefully I'll see some of you there!

All the best to you all, study hard!

Glenny
22nd Jun 2018, 05:52
Glenny, what dates did you get an offer for? i'm going on the first week of August


7th august

13Beast
1st Jul 2018, 21:47
I have my ASP coming up end of this month. Curious as to what sort of attire people wore; I am guessing a suit or business casual, yet during the full day sessions its a PT attire underneath a flight suit, correct? Which would mean wear the suit/business attire/smart casual en route there, and after hours (dinners etc) when you won't be in the flight suit? Silly question I know, the letter didn't explain in great detail as to what sort of attire is expected that's all.

kyle_
1st Jul 2018, 22:48
I have my ASP coming up end of this month. Curious as to what sort of attire people wore; I am guessing a suit or business casual, yet during the full day sessions its a PT attire underneath a flight suit, correct? Which would mean wear the suit/business attire/smart casual en route there, and after hours (dinners etc) when you won't be in the flight suit? Silly question I know, the letter didn't explain in great detail as to what sort of attire is expected that's all.

13Beast I have my ASP aswell beginning on the 30th i intend on doing the same, wearing a business suit en route and i believe they give you a jumpsuit for the time on base. what dates are your ASP? send me a PM if you like.
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tayra
2nd Jul 2018, 02:45
Yeah you only need smart casual for your arrival and for breakfast the day you leave. Flight suits are the go all other times.

kyle_
2nd Jul 2018, 05:58
Yeah you only need smart casual for your arrival and for breakfast the day you leave. Flight suits are the go all other times.

Thanks Tayra :)

13Beast
2nd Jul 2018, 11:43
Shit, maybe the Army will open up for Pilots again for me now;

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/watch/adf-members-caught-up-in-cocaine-ring/vp-AAzsUdj?ocid=spartanntp

Funny that you post that...I was in at DFR this afternoon and my EC was saying how the Army is starting to make noise about starting up their drive for pilots again. Apparently they shut off the pipeline for pilots about a year ago at recruiting and said they'd be fine for 18 months or so, now it looks like they will start it up again. FYI for those interested in Army pilot.

josephfeatherweight
3rd Jul 2018, 05:11
Yeah you only need smart casual for your arrival and for breakfast the day you leave.

Some friendly (old man) advice on this. First impressions last.
Keep in mind that as an early 20s-keen-young-go-getter, your idea of what "smart casual" is, may be somewhat different to the more mature (read "older") people that will be assessing you.
Dress to impress this "older" generation, not necessarily that of your peers.
For guys, I would recommend trousers and a collared shirt (not a polo shirt).
I say this because I've had some feedback from some people involved within the ASP that some of the candidates were dressed like they were going out on Friday night with their mates.
They do notice this stuff, so give yourselves the best chance - certainly what you wear does not reflect your abilities, but it does reflect your attitude to the process, especially in the minds of the "traditional-type" people potentially assessing you.
Disclaimer - I have no fashion sense - my wife tells me so...
Extra Disclaimer - I've told my wife what I wrote here and she reckons I'm an old fashioned loser.

tayra
3rd Jul 2018, 05:23
Fashion trumping reading in a few instances then because the joining instructions clearly spell out smart casual as collared shirt and slacks.

josephfeatherweight
3rd Jul 2018, 05:29
Fashion trumping reading in a few instances then because the joining instructions clearly spell out smart casual as collared shirt and slacks.
Ha, there you go! I was too scared to dabble in suggesting what girls should wear - in that realm, I really have NO idea. What do they say for that - same?

tayra
3rd Jul 2018, 05:36
Essentially the same: "Blouse/top with sleeve; Knee length skirt or trousers (not jeans) or dress; Flat, fully enclosed, comfortable shoes"

josephfeatherweight
3rd Jul 2018, 05:45
Righto - what Tayra said - "Read the Joining Instructions." Good luck!
Old man out.

Applicant
3rd Jul 2018, 10:54
Is anyone here going for ADFA entry and any advice from anyone whos done the new ASP? Any way to prepare

Hows the current demand for RAAF fast jet pilots
Great info everyone on this forum...thanks for the helpful advice. Am applying for ADFA entry. Can anyone advise on how many ADFA pilot positions are offered? I understand it's a 1-2% chance of acceptance. Thanks in advance!

13Beast
4th Jul 2018, 21:27
Some friendly (old man) advice on this. First impressions last.
Keep in mind that as an early 20s-keen-young-go-getter, your idea of what "smart casual" is, may be somewhat different to the more mature (read "older") people that will be assessing you.
Dress to impress this "older" generation, not necessarily that of your peers.
For guys, I would recommend trousers and a collared shirt (not a polo shirt).
I say this because I've had some feedback from some people involved within the ASP that some of the candidates were dressed like they were going out on Friday night with their mates.
They do notice this stuff, so give yourselves the best chance - certainly what you wear does not reflect your abilities, but it does reflect your attitude to the process, especially in the minds of the "traditional-type" people potentially assessing you.
Disclaimer - I have no fashion sense - my wife tells me so...
Extra Disclaimer - I've told my wife what I wrote here and she reckons I'm an old fashioned loser.

Whenever in doubt, just wear a suit. That's what I'm doing :)

tayra
6th Jul 2018, 02:49
Looks like August intake offers are starting to go out. Good luck to those waiting by the (e)mailbox.

finestkind
6th Jul 2018, 04:07
I I have had a quick scroll through the last few months. Some interesting conversations and some interesting points.
A couple of thoughts/points.
ASP like FSP is not a pass or fail course. It is an assessment of potential. Yes if you wish you may argue that Below Required Standard (BRS) is a fail but I will disagree. Everyone has potential. The ADF is not in the business of placing people on a course that they feel have a significant chance of not passing. Not good for the individual nor the company. Hence if you are BRS you have not failed anything. Your potential displayed puts you in the higher risk category for success on this course and as there are people that have MRS why would you place someone that is a high risk candidate in that situation. Anyone that starts giving facts and figures needs to be treated with a wee bit of “consideration”. I know the intent is generally positive in providing information but unless accurate can be detrimental. If I was a newbie and looked at Han’s post on 80% “failure” rate at ASP I certainly would not be instilled with a sense of confidence. The point above in the first para is relative, it’s not a failure. The other point is it’s not 80% BRS. The UK model is a 50% BRS. Ours is no different. Although there is a far bit of jousting that has and is going on in this thread with some negative input there are two things to remember. 1) If you make a statement, give an opinion on an open forum and don’t expect replies that in particular are not to your liking and you have difficulties with this than perhaps you should not post. By all means defend you post but do so in well-mannered way even if the other has not (yes I have not adhered to this but I’m old and grumpy). 2) In the bad old days pilot’s course was a shit sandwich with no bread. In other words it was a negative reinforcement style. “You failed that, do it again and you gone”. Thankfully that style of training/debrief is no longer around. That does not mean you are not critiqued. All it means is that now you get some bread with your sandwich.:) Why is this relevant? You will need to face up to debrief points and take criticism. If you cannot do that on a forum you may have difficulty doing so on course. And yes this is a different place than being debriefed by a wise all-knowing instructor, here you can argue back but when you defend your post do so in a positive manner (just like Tara). Remember being a kiddie and being told that you can be whatever you want to be? A little more definition on “want” would have been helpful. Want is not wish. Wishing does not make it so. If you want something you work for it. If you want to be in the ADF than go for it, work towards it. If you want to be an ADF pilot than go for it, work for it. It is not going to be given to you as a present. The forum has some good info. However people do get annoyed when someone comes on and starts laying down what it’s all about in a tone that shall we say rubs the wrong way and grates further when not actually 100% correct. So remember it’s not what you say so much as how you say it.
Good luck and good hunting.

kukushka
8th Jul 2018, 12:34
Well, everything has come around rather quickly for me. I've been lurking here for a while, since before I did my ASP. Now I'm heading off to Canberra in a few days for my OSB. Certainly is a lot of pressure but thanks to everyone for the words of wisdom, can't say I've always agreed with what some of you have to say but It's still nice to check this thread to stay updated.

Final push now - then the painful wait for an offer or the painful wait to try again a year later.

K

13Beast
8th Jul 2018, 23:43
Well, everything has come around rather quickly for me. I've been lurking here for a while, since before I did my ASP. Now I'm heading off to Canberra in a few days for my OSB. Certainly is a lot of pressure but thanks to everyone for the words of wisdom, can't say I've always agreed with what some of you have to say but It's still nice to check this thread to stay updated.

Final push now - then the painful wait for an offer or the painful wait to try again a year later.

K

Good luck mate, hope you smash it and get an offer in the near future

finestkind
9th Jul 2018, 00:23
Hans, precisely the point. You air an opinion anywhere then you invite other opinions which maybe in disagreement with yours. And as it is an opinion it is biased. If your state something that is a fact it is not an opinion Facts and figures from DFR I would take with a huge grain of salt. Your quote that you achieved 76% by working out your score. This obviously did not come from ASP nor DFR. Your quote on “Many officers from East Sale suggested there was an 80% fail rate”. From my previous post you know my thoughts about “fail”. And suggested is not a fact. It is a fact that the RAF system has a 50% “makes the standard” rate. Your 80 % figure is more factual when you look at the 50% that do not display the appropriate potential and then the remaining number that will be looked at means that 80% of the people that do ASP will most likely be not looked at. Not 80% failed.

Happy landings.

Ascend Charlie
9th Jul 2018, 01:43
It would be interesting to see how well the screening does, when it gets to numbers of students starting the course compared to the numbers finishing.

50 years ago when I joined the RAAF, there were about 400 applicants for each pilots course. Of those, 40 would be selected to start the course, and of those, around 20 would get their wings.

This is a success rate of 5% from the initial applicants, and 50% for those deemed to be "Meets Required Standard."

Does this more-thorough screening process increase the finishers:starters ratio?

finestkind
9th Jul 2018, 06:47
Hi AC.

The simple answer is yes.

EttaJames29
10th Jul 2018, 03:01
Looks like August intake offers are starting to go out. Good luck to those waiting by the (e)mailbox.

Thanks Tayra. Does anyone know how long it usually takes them to send all of the offers out?

Applicant
10th Jul 2018, 18:47
I was reading a post from December 2017 which advised RAAF were offering 10 Male pilot positions at ADFA for 2018. Can someone verify if this was the case and if these numbers are indicative for the 2019 I take? Thanking contributors to help with option consideration.

Applicant
10th Jul 2018, 19:37
Apparently all of the RAAF ADFA Pilot positions have been selected and my nephew wasnít one of them. I was surprised to be told there was only 10, yes 10, RAAF ADFA Pilot positions open for males. I donít know how big the intakes are now, in my day there weíre around 30. So 20 females, 10 males. (From December 2017 post)

Apologies...I didn't attach post quote correctly above...am novice to forum. Just looking for clarification on Male/ Female pilot offers for RAAF via ADFA for 2019.

thanks all

tayra
11th Jul 2018, 01:52
Thanks Tayra. Does anyone know how long it usually takes them to send all of the offers out?

Heard of some still going out today. I think it largely depends on how quickly your local DFR can process them as to when they go out. Fingers crossed for you!

kukushka
11th Jul 2018, 06:09
Well, finished my ADFA osb and received a recommendation for Pilot. Now the wait for the offers near the end of the year.

Glenny
13th Jul 2018, 05:56
Well, finished my ADFA osb and received a recommendation for Pilot. Now the wait for the offers near the end of the year.


Hey well done mate, good to see people in this forum doing well. fingers crossed and good luck to you

William217
19th Jul 2018, 01:54
Hey,
fairly new to this forum. Just wantting to have a chat with anyone whom has been able to pass the ASP, and if so what can one expext to see whilst beeing screened.
Cheers

The Ayatollah
19th Jul 2018, 11:33
Hey mate,

I suggest you have a read back through the last couple of pages, thereís a wealth of good info in there about what to expect.

William217
19th Jul 2018, 22:07
Awesome, will do

William217
19th Jul 2018, 22:14
Hey Kukushka, seeing that you have completed both of your ASP and OSB, just wondering what should i expect to see at ASP with the computer tests.
Cheers

EttaJames29
24th Jul 2018, 07:08
Heard of some still going out today. I think it largely depends on how quickly your local DFR can process them as to when they go out. Fingers crossed for you!

Thank you. I finally got the call last Friday 😊

Stolfo
26th Jul 2018, 06:00
Hey all,
Recently passed my ADFA assessment day and was recommended to attend the ASP. I was wondering how long the wait period between assessment day and ASP usually takes? Contacting my case manager is difficult as numerous calls and emails have gone through with no response.

On a good note, I received a call today from DFR asking whether I want to attend the ADFA open day (where all flights/travel are covered).

Any information regarding the time period between assessment day and ASP is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Julian

Pillymonkey
27th Jul 2018, 00:47
Hey all,
Recently passed my ADFA assessment day and was recommended to attend the ASP. I was wondering how long the wait period between assessment day and ASP usually takes? Contacting my case manager is difficult as numerous calls and emails have gone through with no response.

On a good note, I received a call today from DFR asking whether I want to attend the ADFA open day (where all flights/travel are covered).

Any information regarding the time period between assessment day and ASP is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Julian

Currently looking at between 6-8 months before receiving an invitation to ASP.. At least that's what I have heard.

Stolfo
27th Jul 2018, 23:48
Currently looking at between 6-8 months before receiving an invitation to ASP.. At least that's what I have heard.

Cheers for the reply, do you know if it is the same waiting period for ADFA candidates going for 2019 selection? I know DEO has a long waiting gap but wasnít sure whether it is the same for ADFA?

TheGoose
3rd Aug 2018, 09:04
I'm attending my Asp in less then a week, very nervous haha. From what I've read so far some people say you must wear smart casual down however in the instructions it said pt attire to assist fitting of flight suit.
I've also read there is a 6 month wait on ASP that is in my case incorrect about a month after my assessment day i got the invite maybe less then that.

Also my case manager is 'not very helpful', i was wondering if anyone else sends emails and calls and gets no responses?
Anyone that has passed one this year able to give me a little help on what to expect, i've been lurking these forums for a little while.

Glenny
4th Aug 2018, 05:51
I'm attending my Asp in less then a week, very nervous haha. From what I've read so far some people say you must wear smart casual down however in the instructions it said pt attire to assist fitting of flight suit.
I've also read there is a 6 month wait on ASP that is in my case incorrect about a month after my assessment day i got the invite maybe less then that.

Also my case manager is 'not very helpful', i was wondering if anyone else sends emails and calls and gets no responses?
Anyone that has passed one this year able to give me a little help on what to expect, i've been lurking these forums for a little while.


Hey goose tried to send you a PM with some of the details about next week, says you mailbox is too full or something

The Ayatollah
4th Aug 2018, 12:44
Hey Goose, I don't know if Glenny ended up sending you a PM but I'll say my bit regardless. You'll want to rock up to ASP in smart casual, i.e. collared shirt and chinos/suit trousers but for the 2 days you're actually on base you'll be wearing PT gear underneath a flight suit. The smart casual is only for arriving/departing.

As for the testing itself, there's some great links posted earlier which goes into it in more detail than I could possibly hope to, but something I haven't seen mentioned so far but I feel ought to be - get a really good nights sleep and eat well in the lead up. In my opinion that'll make more of a difference than studying every detail of the testing will.

Otherwise, just do your best and you'll be fine. Good luck.

13Beast
5th Aug 2018, 02:45
Definitely have a look at the CBAT blog, and try the app too. However, this will simply give you a bit of an idea as to what to expect. To put things in perspective, I went through the CBAT blog and familiarised myself with some of the screenshots of the test and read the descriptions. I didn't have the app, but had a play around for about 30 minutes on someone else's tablet (who had it) at the ASP. The app is good for again, just familiarising yourself with the tests (of which they are a relatively good mimic of).

I second what The Ayatollah said though; get a good night's sleep, don't stress out too much. Try to relax, make some new friends and enjoy your time down there. Being relaxed, comfortable and fresh when in the tests will do you a world of good. I ended up getting a high rec, however I think that the most important thing (for me anyways) was to just try to be in a good zone when you do the tests. Even finding a quiet space in your room, or somewhere else, where you can just chill out and get your thoughts together before entering the test room (you'll note the prayer room right next to the testing room - I was in there!). And also, very importantly, take advantage of the rest breaks in the test to stroll around, get some fresh air, and "re-zone" yourself.

tayra
7th Aug 2018, 08:49
Thank you. I finally got the call last Friday 😊

Will be seeing you down there as well :ok:

EttaJames29
8th Aug 2018, 10:22
Will be seeing you down there as well :ok:
Congrats! See you there 😊

hannah767
14th Aug 2018, 10:41
I am new to this forum but have been reading the messages!
I have just been offered a spot at ASP on the 2nd of October for 2019 intake into ADFA.
Has anyone else been offered this time as well?

Cheers

kukushka
14th Aug 2018, 11:30
I am new to this forum but have been reading the messages!
I have just been offered a spot at ASP on the 2nd of October for 2019 intake into ADFA.
Has anyone else been offered this time as well?

Cheers

Unfortunately with an ASP on the 2nd of October I'm not so sure you'll meet the cutoff to be able to get to an OSB in time before the end of the year.Good luck though!

hannah767
15th Aug 2018, 08:56
I have been in contact with the DFR and they told me that East Sale had deliberately made a ASP for Year 12 ATAR students in October, so that people that get through are able to do OSB after ATAR Exams and before they get there ATAR score. Obviously this is just for ADFA candidates but yeah thats why I questioned on here

Stolfo
17th Aug 2018, 09:32
Hey all,
Today I received an offer for the ASP from 30 September - 3 October. Wondering if anyone else will be going during this period, if so, let me know!
All the best :)

asuthe13
18th Aug 2018, 23:38
Hi everyone.

I've got my ASP coming up from the 3/9 to the 6/9. In my additional testing I actually failed to meet the standard for ACO, but met the requirement for pilot. Does anyone know if my results at the ASP will override the additional testing and make me eligible for ACO, or will I have to resit the additional testing again?

If anyone else is going during the same time, feel free to send me a PM.

Cheers

ElFynn1214
10th Sep 2018, 19:03
Hi everyone.

I haven't been on here for a bit. Just giving you an update to see if anyone else is close to me and/or applying for the same role.

I passed my Assessment Day on 10/8/18 and I'm applying for RAAF ATC/JBAC

Just waiting for an invite to ASP now. I was told during my Defence interview it may take up to 6 months.

Anyway if anyone is in a similar boat to me, feel free to message.

Cheers

FlyingSoon
12th Sep 2018, 16:52
Hi all, it has been a while. Great to see so many of you getting the call up for ASP and OSBs. While my experience with the old FSP may be a bit out of date, I do wish to share a few timeless pieces of advice:

Make sure to browse the full forum and get an understanding of what others have asked. There is a load of great advice in this thread.
Do not buy into the sentiment that there is a "too late" to get onto an ASP/OSB. When I completed flight screening in Nov/Dec, there was an ADFA screening course going through, meaning you can sit an OSB as late as Nov/Dec depending on how the quota looks. One of my coursemates got an offer and had his appointment day within two weeks. The ADF will continually be looking to fill last minute vacancies, both internally and externally.
First impressions are everything. Being well dressed is a key skill in being a junior officer. I attended all interactions with DFR in a full suit and tie, including travel to and from my FSP and OSB. While you may see this as overkill, this is a simple thing that will instantly set you above the crowd. At the very least you should wear business casual.
Following from the above: Case managers have a difficult job managing large portfolios of candidates and information flows. The trick with them is to be persistent and follow up a phone call with an email. This is great professional practice which will help you become effective junior officers. Keep in mind that these forums can be monitored, and as with any social media, don't say anything that will harm your application.

As always, feel free to reply with any information or PM with any specific personal questions.

Best,
flyingsoon

William217
20th Sep 2018, 02:35
Hey all,

After reading through this forum found that there is a few of you whom have completed the ADF pilot assesment sessions/days etc. Just wondering as i start my application process very soon, from those who have completed these sessions, what should i expect for the ADF medical test (more specificaly how tight are the height restrictions, i do know what the DFR website says but i have heard many differant stories), I am very tall going on 6'5 and have been told that ill be fine height wise, but have also been told that i wont. Just need some clarification from those who have completed this,

cheers
William

FlyingSoon
21st Sep 2018, 12:51
The height restrictions are exactly what they say they are. Plenty of information can be found about the specifics of the specialist medicals elsewhere on this forum but expect very in depth testing and examination.

Best,
fs

LaughAtTheWorld
22nd Sep 2018, 12:04
Hi Guys,

Awesome forum and has made me feel a lot more at ease but just a few questions.
I recently completed my Assessment day 22nd of August and about 2 weeks later got offered a place on the October 1st ASP, I have been informed that if the ASP goes to plan then I will do my OSB straight away while I'm there ( my ASP and OSB are both in Canberra), is there much of a difference between the ASP in Sale to Canberra.

I am incredibly nervous about potentially doing one after the other, maths is not my strongest attribute and wondering just how much of the process is weighted on maths? Is there anyone else in the same boat as me?

Thanks in Advance.

freddish
25th Sep 2018, 02:05
G'day LaughAtTheWorld, i am in the same boat, i had my assessment day in late July and two months later was offered a position for the asp going from the 2nd-5th of October. check out the CBAT blog, all of the tests are gone through there.

to anyone who has completed the asp are there any question relationg to fule flow rates and how to calculate increases with these as speed increases? i have been told to prepare for these but from what ive read up about these type of questions arnt on the asp.

If someone could clear this up for me it would be greatly appriciated. cheers

GAnoob
26th Sep 2018, 11:23
Hi all, Iíve just completed a YOU session and have been allowed to progress to the additional screening for direct entry pilot. Is anyone able to give me a heads up as to what the testing involves and what to expect on the day? Any input will be gratefully appreciated!

FlyingSoon
27th Sep 2018, 02:55
GAnoob, it is a good idea to read this thread in depth and the CBAT thread to see what to prepare for. All the information is here.

LATW, this will be a theme of your career after this. Time pressures are always a thing. I would focus on putting up good scores in the ASP as this will form the majority of your eligibility for Army (as they have 18 months to test/instill officer qualities).

Without a shred of certainty, I would suggest that the process is exactly the same for ASP in Sale and Canberra as they have to maintain a valid testing process.

Seph90
30th Sep 2018, 15:37
Hi all,

I've just completed my ASP with the score of 53/63 which put me 4 bars above the red line of the total score. (Moderate recommendation)
I can't apply for any positions of pilot as of yet because of medical reasons which needs to be cleared up again. (it will take me a few months to get this sorted)
Considering that I only have a high school degree, what would be my best course of action now?
Has people with lower ASP scores and similar education background made it through to being a pilot before?
Any advice would be appreciated.

FlyingSoon
1st Oct 2018, 03:00
Has people with lower ASP scores and similar education background made it through to being a pilot before?
Any advice would be appreciated.

Seph, how long ago did you complete high school? You can go as a Direct Entry Officer as long as you meet the study requirements for maths. You could also go to ADFA which would also be a reasonable pathway. It is definitely feasible to get into a pilot role with a moderate recommendation. Good luck.

Best, fs

finestkind
4th Oct 2018, 03:06
Seph 90

Forgive my apparent scepticism. Unless its changed it is not a High School degree, it's a HSC or state equivalent, unless your from overseas. Score of 53/63 is nowhere near the mark (forgive the pun). With your question on "made it through to being a pilot before", if you mean graduating from pilots course the answer is no. Timing, new selection system. If you mean being recommended for pilot than too much missing info. Most people that apply have a HSC.

rickyrider35
11th Oct 2018, 13:03
Hi guys,
This isn't the first time I've posted, I was one of the lucky few who managed to snag a spot on FSP46, along with thunderchief, however, I was unfortunately unsuccesful. I've been told by my coordinator that I will most likely receive an offer to attend ASP sometime in November, because apparently they wanted to wait until my OSB expired (at the end of October) to then sit me through ASP and subsequently another OSB. While I don't fully understand the reasoning behind these dynamics, my question is actually quite simple.

Does anyone know when the last session of ASP is for 2018? I'm not sure if it's because it's late and I'm burnt out but I have been unable to find any info regarding the scheduling of the sessions for this year, while I clearly remember finding it pretty easily for FSP last year. Anyone have any ideas? I'm getting a bit more worried as time passes.

Thanks in advance and also a big thank you to all of you contributors who have made this thread legendary. Your help is greatly appreciated.

finestkind
11th Oct 2018, 23:26
rr35
I think you have been lead down the path by recruiting. There is no reason why you could not have done ASP and if successful waited for whatever time remained for your 12 months to go by for an OSB and be ready to go to an OSB right at 12 months.
I think you will find the last course are either late Nov or early Dec.

Glenny
13th Oct 2018, 05:00
Hi Guys, Quick question is anyone doing a navy OSB next week? if so feel free to PM me cheers

13Beast
13th Oct 2018, 13:22
Anybody on here also attending the 13th November RAAF OSB in Brisbane?

muddywaters
6th Nov 2018, 03:33
I recently completed the ASP and the tests are completely different to the old FSP. No flying but you will be tested on your memory.

Aces Up
20th Nov 2018, 01:39
rickyrider35;

I'm on ASP from the 2nd of December and I met another OA candidate at last week's Amberley base visit who's doing his on the 9th. That's the latest ASP I'm aware of for 2018.

Mike

RookiePilot
22nd Nov 2018, 03:43
Information on the RAAF Aviation Candidate Management Centre

The Aviation Candidate Management Centre (ACMC) is located at RAAF Base East Sale and has the motto ‘Motivate - Select – Progress’ which succinctly outlines the three core functions of the unit.
ACMC was establish in January 2016 with the purpose of identifying primary areas for motivation and talent attraction, providing a central area for the selection of Air Force Officer Aviation (OA) candidates and centralising the career management and administration of OA candidates whilst training. The motivation team consists of variety of aviation and non-aviation roles within the Air Force responsible for increasing awareness and developing interest among young people in OA careers within the Air Force. The Air Force Simulator Experience (AFSE) is the primary motivation program with a team conducting roadshows across Australia, visiting schools, Air Force Cadet Squadrons and public events such as Avalon and the Career Expos. The program is intended to involve students from grades 7-10 but also offers presentations that cater for all ages.

The experience consists of an introductory brief which outlines fundamental flight controls followed by a flying lesson with an instructor inside the mobile Super Hornet simulator, Air Traffic Control computer based games, virtual reality experience and aircrew life support gear demonstrations. The AFSE is an excellent opportunity for young people to interact with Air Force members in an informal setting, ask questions and discover the fantastic aviation opportunities within the ADF.
ACMC also holds the responsibility for screening OA candidates as they progress through the recruiting pipeline. Once candidates complete their assessment day at Defence Force Recruiting they attend a two day program at the ACMC to undertake the Aviation Screening Program (ASP) using the Military Aviation Cognitive Testing System (MACTS) pronounced “MAX”. The ASP is a tri service screening program, screening all Air Force OA candidates as well as Navy and Army Pilots. The MACTS is based off the tried and tested system utilised by the RAF, CAF and NZAF for some time. It provides a more robust snapshot of a candidate’s aptitude for OA roles, ensures the economical use of time and money as well as greatly increases the number of candidates that can be screened, with ACMC having the capacity to screen up to 900 candidates annually. While at ACMC, candidates also get tours through the several training schools at RAAF Base East Sale. The experience that the candidates get from the additional elements of the ASP such as tours, staying on base and eating at the mess exposes candidates to elements of Air Force life that they have not seen before and is invaluable in contributing to the further motivation and education of candidates.

A second site has been established and is staffed by Army personnel at the Royal Military College (RMC) in Canberra to conduct the ASP for pilot candidates who nominate Army as their first preference. The Aviation Motivation and Screening Program Flight Commander Army said candidates undergo the same screening as their counterparts in Sale and also enjoy the benefits of tours and additional information provided at RMC. By running the ASP at RMC it allows Army to easily screen in-service candidates undertaking training at RMC as well as candidates progressing through the recruiting pipeline.

The third function of ACMC is Officer Aviation Candidate Management is handled by the Candidate Management Cell (CMC). The CMC, with a small team of PCO and PCS staff, acts as the career management agency for all Air Force OA candidates from hire through to attainment of D Cat. The CMC is responsible for all career management aspects including selection, panelling to IOT and IET courses, engagement with training schools with regards to individual progression, postings of members awaiting further training ‘white time’, pay and promotions. In addition to this, the CMC also provide PCS support to the Aviation Screening Program and work closely with Defence Force Recruiting in panelling candidates to the Screening Program. The daily tasks undertaken by the CMC are broad and often require lateral thinking to come up with solutions that ensure a positive outcome for individual member’s circumstances and Air Force. The CMC team makes up a key element that supports the candidates as they progress through the training pipeline. In addition to the role of the CMC each Officer Aviation Candidate’s progression is tracked through the Aviation Progression Program headed up by a Behaviour Scientist.

ACMC is a young unit that has seen significant change as it matures into taking on the full mantle of responsibilities. The team at ACMC have proven to be highly flexible and motivated to ensure they get the job done, it has been a busy year so far and is set to get busier with the arrival of 1FTS at Sale in early 2019 and the commencement of the new pilot training system.

rickyrider35
24th Nov 2018, 22:58
So Iíve finally sat the infamous MACTS at East Sale. Iím not sure why I previously stated I would be heading on the 2nd of December when I was actually invited to attend from the 18th to the 21st.

Good news is that Iíve passed all the tests and theyíre offering me the opportunity to attend any OSB Iíd like with the exception of Army Direct Entry pilot, as the thereís been a backlog since a while back this year.
The issue is that while I could ask to be given a mission role and I would be able to enter ADFA in 2019 with my current scores, I was told that the score of my OSB from last year (FSP46) was almost definitely too low to make the cut for pilot (probably something to do with the fact that it only lasted 15 minutes since I had already failed my flying component), and so I would have to repeat it sometime next year, to then try and enter through ADFA or DE in 2020.

Itís pretty frustrating especially seeing as DFR didnít set any OSBs up to follow ASP, whereas 8/10 of the kids that were attending my course had one a few days to a week later. It needs to be mentioned that they were not sure at that point if I would meet another OSB since I had already sat one and it is valid til the 1st of December, but Iím sure that if they had allowed me to sit FSP around September/October as was originally planned, they would have had time to book one in before the end of the year.

While I wait, I need to give them a numbered order for the OSBs that I want to attend. I think Iíll number RAAF ADFA 1, NAVY ADFA 2, Mission ADFA 3 and maybe put army pilot in fourth (highest required first), although I was warned that getting into an ADFA intake next year (2020 course) will be harder for me since Iíll be 20 going 21 and Iíll have completed two years of another degree. That being said, I donít have much leadership experience past year 10 so I doubt they would consider me very competitive for a direct entry.
If anyone has any opinions regarding this they would be appreciated.

Also, does anyone know if in the event that you donít make it as an ADFA entry for a particular service after completing both the OSB and the ASP, would that service still allow you to come in for a direct entry OSB or would they disregard you as soon as your combined standing isnít high enough for one of the two options?
This is going to be critical in deciding the order of the OSBs, although we have been warned by the army representative at Sale that we could realistically get any possible order.


Thank you in advance to any replies.

Slezy9
26th Nov 2018, 18:34
I was warned that getting into an ADFA intake next year (2020 course) will be harder for me since Iíll be 20 going 21 and Iíll have completed two years of another degree. That being said, I donít have much leadership experience past year 10 so I doubt they would consider me very competitive for a direct entry.
If anyone has any opinions regarding this they would be appreciated.

I got in as a 19 year old with Assistant Patrol Leader (from scouts) pretty much summing up my total leadership experience! I wouldn't worry too much about it. If you want to make the RAAF your entire career go ADFA, if you only want to fly go, Direct Enrty.

Smott999
27th Nov 2018, 17:48
Hello - sorry the spam, just making a test post per Mod request.
Thanks for the informative forums!

finestkind
27th Nov 2018, 21:06
Ricky, not trying to sound condescending. First point is your OSB was not 15 min long. The interview stage of the OSB was/may have been 15 min long. You may have some questions about the length of this but don't forget to task into consideration that you have been observed for the past 12 days. Your instructors have also spent some time with you and would have provided feedback. So arguably there may not be a lot to discuss at interview which would also, time wise, be impacted upon by your service preferences (not interested in a service then no questions from that service advocate).

13Beast
29th Nov 2018, 23:52
Not wanting to derail this thread too much, but can anyone point me in the right direction towards any current flying instructors who are ex-military pilots and at an aviation school within a few hours drive from the Gold Coast?

I have absolutely NIL flying experience/hours, and would love to get a few hours familiarisation/instruction (ground school + perhaps some flying) with an ex-military pilot so I am not a total fish out of water when I get down to Sale.

I've done a ring around to schools in Brisbane/GC/Archerfield and haven't had much luck so far.

Thanks in advance!

kukushka
7th Dec 2018, 11:22
Not wanting to derail this thread too much, but can anyone point me in the right direction towards any current flying instructors who are ex-military pilots and at an aviation school within a few hours drive from the Gold Coast?

I have absolutely NIL flying experience/hours, and would love to get a few hours familiarisation/instruction (ground school + perhaps some flying) with an ex-military pilot so I am not a total fish out of water when I get down to Sale.

I've done a ring around to schools in Brisbane/GC/Archerfield and haven't had much luck so far.

Thanks in advance!

Not really how it works mate.

Go flying for fun, not to find the mythical ex-mil CFI (why an ex-mil pilot would stick around as a CFI other than to bumble around and kill time is another story) who will make you pass the ASP.

I'd wager a very hefty amount that doing flying would do little to nothing to help you down there.

Try focusing on mental maths and all else others have recommended in this thread. The ASP is good fun, you'll enjoy it.

13Beast
8th Dec 2018, 00:37
Not really how it works mate.

Go flying for fun, not to find the mythical ex-mil CFI (why an ex-mil pilot would stick around as a CFI other than to bumble around and kill time is another story) who will make you pass the ASP.

I'd wager a very hefty amount that doing flying would do little to nothing to help you down there.

Try focusing on mental maths and all else others have recommended in this thread. The ASP is good fun, you'll enjoy it.

Thanks for the reply. At what stage of the process are you? I have done both ASP and my OSB and am currently waiting on a LOO, hence doing what I can to prepare for jumping into it down in E.Sale in the not-too-distant future.

kukushka
9th Dec 2018, 11:30
Thanks for the reply. At what stage of the process are you? I have done both ASP and my OSB and am currently waiting on a LOO, hence doing what I can to prepare for jumping into it down in E.Sale in the not-too-distant future.

I received my offer late November, but for ADFA intake so I presume you may have a little more waiting if you're going direct entry. I suppose it doesn't bother or worry me too much yet since I won't be there for three years!

Basics are the same... but you don't need to have flown before and I really don't know how much help it'd give you on the coursework down at Sale. They teach you all you need.

13Beast
12th Dec 2018, 20:44
Just pay for a bunch of aerobatics flights. In the position you're in, with nil hours, I can only imagine that doing loops, barrel rolls and incipient spins until you're comfortable in the air/with the g forces would be a hell of a lot more valuable than a few GA hours learning straight and level flight.

Good luck with it!

Definitely acro all the way. That's a must. In addition I was also hoping to source an ex-mil fixed wing pilot out there who may dabble in some instructing to pick his brain and/or get some pointers from in the cockpit. Not looking to get my CPL or anything, just a couple hours of familiarisation in and around an aircraft.

Robertsmith39
22nd Dec 2018, 01:12
Morning all and the best of festive greetings to you all.

I fully intend to give you all a ripper of a laugh here today.

Iím a 29 year old train driver who wants to tick his ultimate bucket list item off and become RAAF aircrew in the form of an Ait Combat Officer. I few ďminorĒ obstacles that may prevent this. Hereís where Iím at:

I didnít do physics or 2 unit maths in High School. Thatís fixable by a TAFE course, not a huge barrier.

Second is that I wear glasses for a shocking astigmatism in my left eye. Also fixable by laser surgery but might preclude me from passing an aircrew medical.

Third and probably most prohibitive I feel is Iíve been diagnosed as a very mild asthmatic for some years. If I was to apply, would I be wasting my time?

i guess the other big question is pursuing this stream of aircrew going to become redundant for those who want to fly considering the introduction of the F-35ís that will leave the Super Hornet ACOís needing redeployment to the P-8ís and Wedgetails?

FlyingSoon
26th Dec 2018, 02:26
I wear glasses for a shocking astigmatism in my left eye.

Laser only has a temporary "unfit for flying" period, which would mean you can get your TAFE course done while you sit out that waiting period.

Third and probably most prohibitive I feel is Iíve been diagnosed as a very mild asthmatic for some years. If I was to apply, would I be wasting my time?

Asthma is a huge problem, and is going to be your biggest issue. If you declare it, it will likely mean you will be assessed as unfit for aircrew. Even non-specialist employment roles in the wider ADF require negative results to the "salt water test" and normal spirometry. Lung function is a key testing criteria for specialist medicals, so you can expect to be subject to this testing for any specialist role.

Lastly, I can't comment as to the employment roles in Air Force as that's not my bag.

Best, fs

13Beast
1st Jan 2019, 01:41
Let me chime in here.

I didnít do physics or 2 unit maths in High School. Thatís fixable by a TAFE course, not a huge barrier.

Neither did I. This has never been mentioned nor raised in any way by DFR - and I am now past ASP, OSB and am waiting on a LOO for RAAF pilot. Caveat; I am 38 and hold two degrees; one Arts degree (useless!) and a Mechanical Engineering degree. Whether I have slipped through the cracks or if it is "waived" due to age and/or tertiary education, I am not sure.

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Second is that I wear glasses for a shocking astigmatism in my left eye. Also fixable by laser surgery but might preclude me from passing an aircrew medical.

Third and probably most prohibitive I feel is Iíve been diagnosed as a very mild asthmatic for some years. If I was to apply, would I be wasting my time?

I had corrective laser surgery performed in mid-2016 due to being classed as Med 4 - unfit. At the time I did some inquiries, and PRK surgery was the only one accepted for any AIRCREW position. The ADF does accept other forms of laser surgery for other non-aircrew roles however. This may or may not have changed since 2016.

Furthermore, with regards to your asthma, I had a guy going for pilot on my ASP who had asthma. I asked him about it and he got the doc to check him out and it was all good (at least at that point in time). DFR didn't seem overly concerned with it in his case. He was very early 20s and is now waiting for an OSB for RAN pilot. Take that with a grain of salt though, as everybody's experience with DFR and DFR Medical can differ.

quantify
12th Feb 2019, 04:47
13Beast When you did your ASP, what recommendation did you get before going to OSB? As in "likelihood of getting an OSB offer?" Cheers and hope you get an offer soon.

13Beast
14th Feb 2019, 21:14
ASP and OSB done, now waiting on a LOO. I sent you a PM.

quantify
18th Feb 2019, 03:48
Hey guys, I had my ASP last April. I decided to resit in a year and DFR just called me up saying that they got a call from ACMC stating that I had been essentially fast tracked to a March sitting instead of waiting for the full year to be completed this April, my EC said this was really weird and hasn't happened before. Would any of you guys have any ideas why they might do this? I don't have any special circumstances within April that would make them reconsider the 1 year rule.
Cheers.

josephfeatherweight
18th Feb 2019, 21:12
Maybe you aced all the tests? Certainly sounds good news - don’t second guess it, grab it by both horns and go for it! Good luck!

quantify
19th Feb 2019, 00:31
Maybe you aced all the tests? Certainly sounds good news - donít second guess it, grab it by both horns and go for it! Good luck!
Haha thanks man, definitely looking at it in a positive light!

13Beast
21st Feb 2019, 10:19
Today I received my official Letter of Offer for RAAF Pilot. I'm being appointed on April 5th, and will be in the April OTS. Stoked!!!

It's been a long road, I first applied for RAAF pilot in 2008. Persistence pays off in the end. Also, any older applicants reading this, I am 38 (turning 39 this year). So, clearly we are in for a chance just as much as the younger blokes.

If anyone else reading this thread is also due to start in the April RAAF OTS, let me know!

BordZ
21st Feb 2019, 10:31
Today I received my official Letter of Offer for RAAF Pilot. I'm being appointed on April 5th, and will be in the April OTS. Stoked!!!

It's been a long road, I first applied for RAAF pilot in 2008. Persistence pays off in the end. Also, any older applicants reading this, I am 38 (turning 39 this year). So, clearly we are in for a chance just as much as the younger blokes.

If anyone else reading this thread is also due to start in the April RAAF OTS, let me know!

Hi 13beast, congrats, huge achievment. There was a guy in my ASP who is mid 30s and is pushing hard to get in, unfortunately both of us missed out last year and I was hoping to run into him at my next asp (which will hopefully be late may) Unfortunately I think he has a few things to jump through before he can get there again though. However its great to know he has a real chance and age isn't a factor, the guy is hardcore committed. Out of curiosity how did you score? I got a low rec for both pilot and mission elementary last year and did not get an offer to proceed to OSB. Hoping to change that this year with some mad prep.

13Beast
21st Feb 2019, 22:04
Thanks Bordz. Keep at it, I think ASP a second time around would be easier...simply due to knowing what to expect to some extent.

I received a high rec, but on the lower end of a high rec. There are a few people on this forum who scored a bit higher and were into the RAAF a lot quicker than I was.

Good luck with your application and hope you get through!

goatpaste
28th Feb 2019, 10:23
I just attended a YOU session. I did well enough on the aptitude for Pilot jobs to appear on my JOR.

I'm 48 and 163cm tall, very fit. Just on the cutoff for both age and height. Does anyone think that it's worth my time applying for the pilot intake? I've done a few civilian flying lessons years ago and loved it, but time and money prevented going further at the time. Would kill for a chance to fly professionally.

Slezy9
28th Feb 2019, 22:08
Don't worry about the height. You meet the minimum, that's all that is required. As for age, don't know. Apply and see what they say? You can always pull out if they offer you NAV or something else aside from PLT.

quantify
1st Mar 2019, 09:18
Hi, have any of you found any practice material for the Situational awareness test or have any tips specifically for that test? Cheers.

BordZ
2nd Mar 2019, 22:31
I just attended a YOU session. I did well enough on the aptitude for Pilot jobs to appear on my JOR.

I'm 48 and 163cm tall, very fit. Just on the cutoff for both age and height. Does anyone think that it's worth my time applying for the pilot intake? I've done a few civilian flying lessons years ago and loved it, but time and money prevented going further at the time. Would kill for a chance to fly professionally.

just go for it, worst case is you don't make it.

Robertsmith39
4th Mar 2019, 19:49
Wow well done Beast! What an awesome achievement mate. Do you have a preference to what aircraft type you'd like to go to?

Hearing your story has encouraged me to take the first steps in starting my journey in becoming a Pilot or ACO. I don't think it'll be an easy road, but at least if I have a go and fail a few times I can say that I tried.

Robertsmith39
4th Mar 2019, 20:00
Beast, well done mate! There's hopes for old farts like myself yet. Do you have a type you're hoping to get streamed on to eventually?

Hearing your story has given me the kick up the arse I need to get my shit together and apply. I meet the education requirements after some further investigation so why not? Worst they can say is go away and improve yourself and come again.

Vdizzle
6th Mar 2019, 09:41
G'day all, Is there anyone on here that has experience with Service Transfer?

I'm currently in Army and would like to try for the ASP. I saw on Defence Jobs they've got both Army and Navy as priority for pilots. I'd even consider RAAF pilot as well if they're also expanding in that area due to the JSF?

Primary reason is basically I love the service life, I'd stay in forever if I could. Did civvie workforce before Army and that was a big bag of small D's. It's just that the role I'm in is going through changes and it's basically getting squeezed at the senior NCO level so future prospects of advancing my career are limited. I feel like I'd be more happier going for commission now and becoming an Officer. I've loved aircraft as a kid, took a few licks at the local airport to do some introductory flying over the years and I'm now at that stage of - F..k it let's do it, I don't want to say to myself on my death bed, 'would I have passed?'.

Thank you to everyone in this forum, lots of great information for aspiring candidates.

Niku.
7th Mar 2019, 11:00
Hey everyone,
Great to see so many people getting through the process! Best of luck to you guys.
Anyway, I've been watching this thread for a long time now, and since I'm getting closer and closer to graduating, it seems like a good time. I'm currently in Year 11, and I'm set on joining the RAAF. The main decision I am trying to make at the moment is the method of entry I want to go for. I'm not too keen on going to ADFA, so as someone who wants to get going as soon as possible, is Direct Entry worth it? The general consensus seems to be that people who join straight out of school tend to get turned down and told to "come back in a year or two". So, is it worth spending those few years at ADFA? Or trying straight off the bat?

Doddsy93
7th Mar 2019, 12:17
Hey Team,

I know there are pages and pages of content and I've read through a fair chunk, however I am hoping some one can take the time out and give me a brief overview of the process.

Currently a MWO in the RAN and looking at transferring to RAAF Pilot post Fighter Controller time.

I am seeking information regarding what is tested under the new process during the advanced testing part of initial selection and then how the new ASP runs.

I have a generic idea, however, if someone has recently done it and can lay it out for me would be most greatful. Might even tee up a tour of a ship in Sydney if you're a local.

Cheers Team!

Libelle70
12th Mar 2019, 00:24
Hi Everyone
Thanks for all the awesome info on this forum. I've loved reading about everyone's experiences right back to the original Hornetboy.
I'm preparing for the ASP but have been unable to clarify whether any of the testing domains allow the use of pen and paper. I'm preparing without but I'm really keen to hear from anyone who can sort this out for me.
Thanks for your help

BordZ
14th Mar 2019, 09:20
Hi Everyone
Thanks for all the awesome info on this forum. I've loved reading about everyone's experiences right back to the original Hornetboy.
I'm preparing for the ASP but have been unable to clarify whether any of the testing domains allow the use of pen and paper. I'm preparing without but I'm really keen to hear from anyone who can sort this out for me.
Thanks for your help

Hi Libelle, It doesn't allow pen and paper for any of the tests.

quantify
19th Mar 2019, 11:14
Hi guys, in the Instructions that ACMC sends you for ASP it vaguely describes some of the tests. I noticed that the images of the tests had a (C) UK MOD on them, any idea what this could mean? My guess is that they are a modified version of the test that the RAF gives to their air crew.

Cheers.

tayra
20th Mar 2019, 06:55
copyright UK Ministry of Defence

quantify
22nd Mar 2019, 08:05
copyright UK Ministry of Defence
Cool, thanks.

FlyingSoon
22nd Mar 2019, 12:10
G'day all, Is there anyone on here that has experience with Service Transfer?

I'm currently in Army and would like to try for the ASP. I saw on Defence Jobs they've got both Army and Navy as priority for pilots. I'd even consider RAAF pilot as well if they're also expanding in that area due to the JSF?

Primary reason is basically I love the service life, I'd stay in forever if I could. Did civvie workforce before Army and that was a big bag of small D's. It's just that the role I'm in is going through changes and it's basically getting squeezed at the senior NCO level so future prospects of advancing my career are limited. I feel like I'd be more happier going for commission now and becoming an Officer. I've loved aircraft as a kid, took a few licks at the local airport to do some introductory flying over the years and I'm now at that stage of - F..k it let's do it, I don't want to say to myself on my death bed, 'would I have passed?'.

Thank you to everyone in this forum, lots of great information for aspiring candidates.

It's worth keeping in mind that the training pipeline length pretty much means most future JSF pilots are either already in the training process, or already qualified.

As far as service transfer goes, you will have an easier time applying for a commission in Army than transferring. It's notoriously difficult to get out of Army from in service roles, but I don't have a lot of knowledge on OR to Officer transfers across services.

Definitely weigh up the risk and the result; remember Army now no longer does SSOs, and RMC is notorious for being a tough slog. You'll sacrifice 18 months of your life, and in the end might not even make it through. The risk is high but so is the reward.

Pm for any specific questions.

Best, fs
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FlyingSoon
22nd Mar 2019, 12:15
So, is it worth spending those few years at ADFA? Or trying straight off the bat?

You'll definitely be more likely to get in via ADFA, due to the lack of life experience you've identified. Going forward, you'll be in a better position with a degree from ADFA under your belt. I regret not completing a degree, either civilian or military, before going DEO. It will be very difficult to get a DEO position from high school without solid evidence of life experience.

The only issue is that previously DEOs can resign if they scrub course, but ADFA graduates have a ROSO and are stuck in service if they scrub.

Best, fs

asuthe13
24th Mar 2019, 04:52
Hi everyone,

After about 2.5 years of being in the DFR pipeline, I've finally received my offer to attend NEOC 61 as a pilot candidate. I got my offer about 3 weeks after attending my OSB. If anyone else is coming to Creswell on the same course, flick me a PM.

Niku.
24th Mar 2019, 13:01
You'll definitely be more likely to get in via ADFA, due to the lack of life experience you've identified. Going forward, you'll be in a better position with a degree from ADFA under your belt. I regret not completing a degree, either civilian or military, before going DEO. It will be very difficult to get a DEO position from high school without solid evidence of life experience.

The only issue is that previously DEOs can resign if they scrub course, but ADFA graduates have a ROSO and are stuck in service if they scrub.

Best, fs
Thanks for the info! If you don't mind me asking, how old were you when you went DEO?

ndp12
29th Mar 2019, 06:35
Hi, thanks everyone for the sheer amount of content here - really really useful stuff! I'm currently in the DFR pipeline - applying for RAAF & RAN Pilot.

I've just been invited to do my second round of testing in Sydney and I assume this is the step before ASP. Does anyone know what this entails? I've only been told it's a 'battery of tests' but would love to prepare as much as possible.

Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been covered above - I'm slowly working my way up!

AyyJake
31st Mar 2019, 09:37
Hi, thanks everyone for the sheer amount of content here - really really useful stuff! I'm currently in the DFR pipeline - applying for RAAF & RAN Pilot.

I've just been invited to do my second round of testing in Sydney and I assume this is the step before ASP. Does anyone know what this entails? I've only been told it's a 'battery of tests' but would love to prepare as much as possible.

Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been covered above - I'm slowly working my way up!
Yup so you are going for your pilot aptitude training, it will be the same as the you session testing but on different topics. It will be Gauge reading at speed, it will ask you for example "whats the airspeed?" and you will have to look at the display and choose the closest answer. There is some spacial awareness questions where it will show a silhouette of a plane and say what will it look like after a right turn. You then have four options to choose from, the next set is similar but it will show you cockpit instruments and you have to choose which silhouette matches. The last test is rapid maths!.

AyyJake
31st Mar 2019, 09:40
I just received my ASP dates for 7th and 8th of May. Anyone got any tips or prep suggestions. Cheers in advance!

ndp12
10th Apr 2019, 05:13
I just received my ASP dates for 7th and 8th of May. Anyone got any tips or prep suggestions. Cheers in advance!
Thanks for the reply above! Will work on my quick maths!

Good luck at ASP. How long did it take for you to get ASP dates after finishing 2nd round aptitude testing?

Thanks

AusAviation
23rd Apr 2019, 01:26
I recently attended ASP and fortunately was recommended for progression for Air Force Pilot and Mission both with a moderate standing (ADFA and DEO for both) as well as Army and Navy pilot both with a strong standing (ADFA for both).

I now need to submit my order of preferences but need some more advice.

One person I spoke to at ACMC suggested to me that Army and Navy view you more favourably if you place their service as first preference whereas Air Force do not really consider that when deciding to give you an offer. Alternatively, the Enlistment Coordinator I spoke to just said that all services consider your preference order.

My real personal preference, like most, would be Air Force Pilot but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed by either Army or Navy.

Given my stronger standing for Army and Navy I wouldn't want to jeopardise my chances there by placing Air Force first but also don't want to lower my chances of Air Force selection. Is it better to place Air Force as first preference and rely on my stronger standing for Army and Navy to keep in consideration or just commit fully to Army or Navy and place one of them as first?

Lastly, the decision between Army and Navy. I do like the idea of the maritime aspect but feel that the Army may have more combat opportunities. Which service provides the most thrilling/rewarding career with the best conditions?

FlyHigh323
24th Apr 2019, 08:35
G'Day Everyone,

I'm currently in yr 11 and preparing to begin the recruitment and selection process to become a RAAF Pilot, I'm very dedicated to achieving this and have looked at the different avenues to join the RAAF as a pilot. I have my eyes set on doing this by first attending ADFA and I had a couple of questions as too what I should do for preparation, are those websites that say they have good content to learn on worth paying for or should I seek other ways of preparation (if so what ways). I'm also an air force cadet and was wondering whether that help throughout the [rocess in terms of looking at me over someone who isn't one?

Thanks.

13Beast
27th Apr 2019, 07:29
I recently attended ASP and fortunately was recommended for progression for Air Force Pilot and Mission both with a moderate standing (ADFA and DEO for both) as well as Army and Navy pilot both with a strong standing (ADFA for both).

I now need to submit my order of preferences but need some more advice.

One person I spoke to at ACMC suggested to me that Army and Navy view you more favourably if you place their service as first preference whereas Air Force do not really consider that when deciding to give you an offer. Alternatively, the Enlistment Coordinator I spoke to just said that all services consider your preference order.

My real personal preference, like most, would be Air Force Pilot but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed by either Army or Navy.

Given my stronger standing for Army and Navy I wouldn't want to jeopardise my chances there by placing Air Force first but also don't want to lower my chances of Air Force selection. Is it better to place Air Force as first preference and rely on my stronger standing for Army and Navy to keep in consideration or just commit fully to Army or Navy and place one of them as first?

Lastly, the decision between Army and Navy. I do like the idea of the maritime aspect but feel that the Army may have more combat opportunities. Which service provides the most thrilling/rewarding career with the best conditions?

You are overthinking this. Put down the services you want to fly for in that order. FYI, if you prefer to fly Army or Navy, then your ASP score will put you in a better shot for those rather than RAAF; as the RAAF to date with ASP scores tend to be leaning towards the higher scoring candidates - and this may simply come down to a greater number of applicants wanting RAAF so they can afford to be choosy. From what I have been told about the other services (Navy in particular) this is not the case.

Also, you can choose to be sneaky with your preferences and when the OSBs are coming up for a particular service and drop preferences so that you can be in on a preferred service OSB first and foremost and play the waiting game to see if they want you. At a later stage you can add on another service to your preference list and be thrown onto upcoming OSBs for that. I was going down this route with keeping RAAF as my sole preference for a period of time, then seeing how things panned out if I received a LOO within a reasonable amount of time...if that didn't happen, I was going to add RAN as a preference. If you are genuinely happy flying with any, then go for all the preferences - just be prepared that potentially you may attend an OSB for your #2 or #3 preference before your #1...and may receive an LOO for that #2 or #3 before any offer for your #1 comes about. From what I have been told, the only real burning of bridges would occur if you turned down an OSB or LOO for one service while hoping to get in with another...and then tried for that service again after realising your preferred service wasn't going to materialise. That would not be advisable.

Wrt Army vs Navy: Navy will have longer training to get you from street to seat than Army will, given Navy do both BFTS and 1FTS. You'll also have your fixed-wing pilot wings to go with your rotary-wing pilot wings at the end of it though, and this may be more appealing to you. Perhaps it may make Navy pilots more attractive for cross-service transfers, but that's just speculation on my behalf. Regarding deployments, well, Navy guys will definitely go out to sea a fair bit. Surely that's attractive if you want to see more of the world. Can't comment on Army pilot life who may potentially be more at the whim of conflicts abroad/humanitarian requirements to experience deployments.

finestkind
28th Apr 2019, 00:08
Ausaviation.

The OSB does not have any idea of how you ranked your preferences. In respect to receiving a LOO that is not your first option, you do not have to reject it due waiting for your first preference LOO. If you would take this if you did not get what you wanted than accept it. You can always change your mind later if you get the preferred LOO.

mrh90ftw
12th Jun 2019, 10:06
I find it amazing that this thread has been open since before I was born and now I want to enter aviation.

I have my ASP on 7-9 July and I have only just heard about it via email about my OSB, I was wondering if I get gather some tips and help as for what to expect?

titanpilot
13th Jun 2019, 02:22
Expect to be asked:
- Your motivations for entering the ADF and the particular service you are applying for.
- Personal questions relating to how you will cope with the lifestyle changes, being away from home, etc.
- Knowledge of the service you are applying for. Know all the aircraft and ships if you are applying for the Navy.
- What is the difference between a leader and a manager. What kind of leadership experience do you have?
- What operations are the ADF currently involved in and some recent ones.
- Some basic Geography. Particularly around war zones/conflict areas.
- Some current affairs. Watch the news for the weeks leading up to the OSB.
-Where you could be posted. How much you will be payed. What your minimum service period is.
- What training you will undergo. When, where and for how long.
- Ranks for the service you are applying for.
- Maths questions like 26 x 14. Learn how to use techniques to solve questions like this and practice using phone apps right before you go in to get your brain in the mode. I was asked a question like this and they were very impressed when I answered correctly within a few seconds. Also, some time/distance questions relating to flight times etc. Know how to calculate using knots and miles as well.

This list is not complete. You may be asked all or none of these questions. There will definitely be some I have not included here. Everything (almost) you need to know is either in the job description for the job you are going for​​​​​, or on the department of defence website. I compiled a folder with all of this info and more and studied it every spare moment I got until I knew it back to front.
You need to be confident without being cocky. The only way to achieve this is by knowing your stuff. There is no way to bluff your way through. If you study all that I have told you and plan your responses you will be giving yourself the best chance you can and it will definitely help with your confidence. Make no mistake, the difference between answering one or two questions correctly is the difference between a recommendation or high recommendation. One of those will likely get you a spot at flight school and the other won't.
I have done my OSB twice and pretty much nailed it both times so I know what I am talking about.

Slezy9
16th Jun 2019, 08:15
I have done my OSB twice and pretty much nailed it both times so I know what I am talking about.

Modest too! I'd suggest that you didn't, pretty much nail it, if you had to do it twice.

titanpilot
16th Jun 2019, 09:26
Modest too! I'd suggest that you didn't, pretty much nail it, if you had to do it twice.
Maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself unless you know what you are talking about. There are (or we're) two components to getting offered a pilots job. The flying testing and the OSB. I was told by the OSB panel that I was one of the best officer candidates that they had seen in a long time. Unfortunately my flying was average so I only got a recommendation, not a high recommendation the first time around.

josephfeatherweight
16th Jun 2019, 22:34
Titan, don't talk like that - it's unbecoming of a potential Officer, disrespectful to an experienced QFI and the fact is, you did sound rather arrogant.
The Defence community in Oz is a small one, don't make a name for yourself before you even get a crack a it, particularly if, as per your admission, your flying was "average".
Slezy9's flying was a fair bit better than average, so best pull ya head in! Good luck!

titanpilot
16th Jun 2019, 23:53
Titan, don't talk like that - it's unbecoming of a potential Officer, disrespectful to an experienced QFI and the fact is, you did sound rather arrogant.
The Defence community in Oz is a small one, don't make a name for yourself before you even get a crack a it, particularly if, as per your admission, your flying was "average".
Slezy9's flying was a fair bit better than average, so best pull ya head in! Good luck!
Mate, I took a fair bit of my time (typing on a phone) to give honest advice to a candidate. I got and expected nothing on return. In return for that I was attacked by Slezy9 and insulted despite the fact that he knows nothing of my circumstances. If that is the way people who give advice are treated then good luck getting any more advice.

josephfeatherweight
17th Jun 2019, 00:18
Oh my, this is what is turning up on the doorstep as one of our "best officer candidates" - there are plenty of people on here who can and have provided constructive advice without being so precious about it.
"Attacked" and "Insulted" - dude, you've gotta harden' up a bit... I retract my previous "Good luck!"

donpizmeov
17th Jun 2019, 22:42
He would have been sent to UH1H back in the day Jo. You know he would have. :}

junior.VH-LFA
24th Jun 2019, 10:41
Considering the vast array of people in this thread who are doing the job, I'm sure people will survive without your world beating advice and attitude Titan. If you do get in you should try going guns hot like that on your QFI's! :ok:

freddish
28th Jun 2019, 04:21
hey guys,
my name is Fred and i attended the asp on October 4 of 2018. i applied for direct entry raaf pilot at age 18 and unfortunately did not get offered anything. i was not at uni and was having a gap year at the time. which im sure you can all guess, failiure was going to happen as an 18yo with barely any life experience and not studying anything. i realized my mistake and since the asp i have been at uni studying aero engineering at RMIT and have reapplied for ADFA. So my question is to anyone on this forum who has reattempted the asp: was it any easier having done it before? how did you go results wise? anything i should do between now and october? ie preparation methods? and any general advice and results for second time round guys.
cheers! Fred

tayra
3rd Jul 2019, 10:34
Anecdotally a few people off my ASP had another crack and the majority improved their scores.

F35Blitz
7th Jul 2019, 12:04
Hey guys,
long time lurker, first time poster.

I have been applying for RAAF pilot ADFA since last year and recently attended my ASP. I unfortunately did not recieve an offer as a RAAF Pilot, however I was offered to attend the OSB for Army, Navy Pilot and RAAF Mission.
I am pleased with my results and am planning to attend the OSBs however I have a few queries. While I would happily accept a career in these jobs, I have always been strongly motivated to become a RAAF pilot. If I was to accept an offer from another branch/career will I be able to transfer to RAAF Pilot and when (1-4 years?)?. Would it be more ideal to wait an entire year and reattend another ASP.

To answer the previous question from Fred, there was two people on my ASP who had already previously attended the course and both received a RAAF Pilot offer. They both had similar results to my ASP results.

Sorry for the horrible read, I typed this up quickly on a shitty phone.

Thanks!

The Ayatollah
10th Jul 2019, 07:45
If you really want to be a RAAF pilot then by all means wait a year and come back.

If you want to do some awesome flying in some awesome aircraft regardless of service, then Iíd recommend considering both army and navy. Youíll have just as much (maybe more?) fun flying helos as you would flying RAAF.

As for service transfers, it happens, but if you join army or navy just to join the raaf you likely wonít last.

And as for mission, itís not my cup of tea. If you want to be a co pilot apply for AvWO, cause romeos are awesome and hunting subs would be a hoot.

Good luck!

fluroredbubbles
25th Jul 2019, 12:02
Hey all,

I'm 16 years old and currently in year 10 with a very strong desire to one day join the RAAF as a pilot, I've done a lot of research and can only think of this career going ahead, and have been doing so for quite some time now. I only have a few questions.

Next year, i'm studying general math and english with average scores (60 - 70%) with physics, psychology and legal studies and thinking about getting a cert 2 in a trade of some sort (mechanical engineering, automotive etc) the certificate is connected with school and basically counts as a subject, meaning I graduate with an ATAR and a certificate in a trade. I'm only thinking of doing a trade with school as it's just an added bonus with an ATAR, and all my brothers wish they had of done it.

I'm thinking of applying as soon as I finish school as a direct entry to a pilot although I can do it as early as 16 years and 6 months, being a pilot is my main focus, nothing else. I've done work experience up at RAAF Base Sale, volunteer as a lifesaver every summer, participate in multiple team sports and work as a basketball referee and part time at a chemist delivering medicine. I have no experience flying although I'm thinking of taking 1 normal flight lesson and then a few aerobatic flights, as a RPL is too expensive for me.

Is there anything I should consider changing?

I'm completely open to answering any questions and suggestions, such as getting experience in a specific workplace etc, just trying to get as much help as possible.

Thanks for your time and again i'm open to all responses :)

BoxBoxCheez
1st Aug 2019, 21:33
Hey all,

I'm 16 years old and currently in year 10 with a very strong desire to one day join the RAAF as a pilot, I've done a lot of research and can only think of this career going ahead, and have been doing so for quite some time now. I only have a few questions.

Next year, i'm studying general math and english with average scores (60 - 70%) with physics, psychology and legal studies and thinking about getting a cert 2 in a trade of some sort (mechanical engineering, automotive etc) the certificate is connected with school and basically counts as a subject, meaning I graduate with an ATAR and a certificate in a trade. I'm only thinking of doing a trade with school as it's just an added bonus with an ATAR, and all my brothers wish they had of done it.

I'm thinking of applying as soon as I finish school as a direct entry to a pilot although I can do it as early as 16 years and 6 months, being a pilot is my main focus, nothing else. I've done work experience up at RAAF Base Sale, volunteer as a lifesaver every summer, participate in multiple team sports and work as a basketball referee and part time at a chemist delivering medicine. I have no experience flying although I'm thinking of taking 1 normal flight lesson and then a few aerobatic flights, as a RPL is too expensive for me.

Is there anything I should consider changing?

I'm completely open to answering any questions and suggestions, such as getting experience in a specific workplace etc, just trying to get as much help as possible.

Thanks for your time and again i'm open to all responses :)

Mate your CV is 10x better than mine was, youíve put some good thought into and started planning early which is great.

Donít be too closed off to the idea of taking the ADFA route rather than DEO. You sound like a smart cookie that enjoys a full extra curricula calendar, exactly what the Academy offers. You get a free degree and get paid to learn, and that extra experience at studying whilst juggling real issues like pay, loans, leave etc will really help when you hit BFTS (or whatever weíre calling it these days!).

theuploader3194
5th Aug 2019, 23:55
Any news on the Army and Navy opening the pilot pipeline for DEO or RMC again?

MLed
8th Aug 2019, 02:34
Hey all. Long time reader, only posted a couple times. Just wanted to say thanks for all the discussion and good info over the years. My application started in 2012 and I was lucky enough to get a RAN pilot offer yesterday. For all those that may have struggles with your application or if itís taking a while, if itís what you really want BE PERSISTENT. There were occasions where it was 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I had long long hold ups from dfr and particularly medical section but if you hang in there and donít take no for an answer, you can do it, even if it takes 7 years haha. I always wanted to see other people during my application give some hope to me, so donít give up.

fluroredbubbles
8th Aug 2019, 12:18
Hey all. Long time reader, only posted a couple times. Just wanted to say thanks for all the discussion and good info over the years. My application started in 2012 and I was lucky enough to get a RAN pilot offer yesterday. For all those that may have struggles with your application or if itís taking a while, if itís what you really want BE PERSISTENT. There were occasions where it was 1 step forward and 2 steps back. I had long long hold ups from dfr and particularly medical section but if you hang in there and donít take no for an answer, you can do it, even if it takes 7 years haha. I always wanted to see other people during my application give some hope to me, so donít give up.

Hey mate congratulations on the offer, during the 7 years of waiting did you take up any other jobs?

MLed
8th Aug 2019, 15:00
Yeah for sure. I started uni and did things to improve my application like volunteer work and furthering education. Donít put off any opportunities while youíre waiting because you never know how long it may take, and it looks a whole lot better to say ďlook at all Iíve done whilst applyingĒ instead of ďIíve just been waiting around for thisĒ

GiBrMn
11th Aug 2019, 12:12
Hey everyone, been trawling here for a long time and this thread has been keeping me going during the long waits. Finally have my RAAF OSB for pilot booked in Melbourne this coming Friday, I'm feeling pretty prepared and I'm super pumped. Anyone else here attending this OSB? Also it's probably been asked a million times but here I go, is the score from ASP the main ranking criteria for selection or is it just an indicator with the OSB being the main selector? I got a strong recommendation from ASP, so hopefully that makes me more competitive.

Any last minute advice for the little things that you wish someone had told you?

MLed
12th Aug 2019, 06:57
Hey everyone, been trawling here for a long time and this thread has been keeping me going during the long waits. Finally have my RAAF OSB for pilot booked in Melbourne this coming Friday, I'm feeling pretty prepared and I'm super pumped. Anyone else here attending this OSB? Also it's probably been asked a million times but here I go, is the score from ASP the main ranking criteria for selection or is it just an indicator with the OSB being the main selector? I got a strong recommendation from ASP, so hopefully that makes me more competitive.

Any last minute advice for the little things that you wish someone had told you?

For distribution they take into account ASP scores and OSB comments/recommendations, although my ASP wasnít even mentioned at my OSB.
As for advice, try to know as much as possible (aircraft, equipment, squadrons, operations, current affairs, etc) and have a think about your strengths/weaknesses, and what attributes make a good leader. If youíre prepared, nothing should really catch you off guard too much. Be enthusiastic, be honest, and best of luck.

Theangelplan
14th Aug 2019, 09:51
//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (cutoff for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given Iím aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances arenít looking good lmao.

Stiff Under Carriage
26th Aug 2019, 13:18
//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot, having been forced to apply for medicine by parents. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (literally the last assessment day for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given Iím aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances arenít looking good lmao.





There's heaps of ASP courses remaining this year. Last OSB is Nov though I think. Not sure if DEO or ADFA entry methods are different though.

themrmatt
29th Aug 2019, 21:56
Theangelplan I'm in a similar situation. I'm in New Zealand and I sat my YOU session last earlier this week. I unlocked the pilot role no problem but I was told I can't progress until my New Zealand school results have been converted to the Australian System. I submitted those to NESA on Monday but they won't be returned for 10 working days. DFR said they will try and arrange an additional pilot testing session and an assessment day as soon as my results have come back, possibly even on the same day.

If I manage to finish assessment day by say, the 11th of September, will it be possible to attend ASP and OSB in time for 2020 ADFA or have I missed the cutoff? DFR said they don't actually have access to the exact cutoff date so I'm not really sure if it's possible or not. I've heard ASP and OSB can take a while to get into so I'm cutting it pretty fine. I'm really trying to aim for 2020 as I'm in my last year of school so I'd rather not have to wait around a whole year for 2021.

rickyrider35
6th Sep 2019, 09:10
Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:


As a result of this decision your application for ADF service will not be processed further. However, should you have new medical evidence that the medical condition has resolved (cured or long term remission in the absence of ongoing treatment) and the risk of recurrence is low or that the diagnosis is incorrect, then you may request a review of decision. This medical evidence may include a repeat Ophthalmologist report - ideally performed by Personal Eyes as it should include all of the Aviation Ophthalmologist examination parameters. The request must be submitted in writing to DFRC Sydney - Medical Section [email protected] within the 12 weeks following the date of this letter. The request should be submitted to the DFRC medical section address below




To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!

13Beast
9th Sep 2019, 14:34
Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:


To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!

​​​​​​Having been through an appeal process regarding eyesight, in answer to your questions:
1. Yes. Except six weeks as a minimum. This is Medical, they are their own beast. Get in quick as its coming up to end of year and everything shuts down from early Dec, so ideally you'd want a successive appeal and be back on track with a new offer prior to the end of the year.
2. Two wouldn't hurt. More supporting evidence for your appeal.
3. Maybe, maybe not. Get onto the appeal quick and stay very close with your EC; they can keep you abreast as to what positions/intakes are still likely to be available

sharpend
9th Sep 2019, 20:54
I missed episode 3, but watched a recording tonight, so late call from me. Yes, it was interesting and showed me how much had changed since I was a TWU instructor. When Beagle was a student and I his instructor (yes, I'm even older than him), he had a huge choice of postings. Harriers, Jaguars, Lightnings (EE version), Buccs, Canberras, Phantoms (think that is where Beagle went to) to name a few. I may even missed a few & do remember sending one student to VC10s. Moreover, not to be able to drop real bombs, fire real rockets and guns is not as much fun. Additionally, the actual hit is more important that a pic of a simulated hit. I do recall many times I had my gun camera film debriefed by a QWI who said it was rubbish, what was my score?; to which I replied Direct Hit (DH). There is no substitute for live weapons. That said, however, I do like the modern technology whereby Instructors can debrief the fight on computer. I never got to fly ACMI.

FlyingSoon
15th Sep 2019, 09:00
Army pilots are currently under a "no service transfers accepted" policy, so don't join Army with the expectation of making the jump.

Niku.
16th Sep 2019, 10:50
Hey All,
Just finishing up my last pieces of assessment for Year 11, and since I'm shooting for ADFA next year, I have a question with regard to my school results. I'm currently doing straight maths/science (English, Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Chem, Physics and Biol), and I will be continuing this into Year 12. What impact will my Year 11 and/or Year 12 results have on my application? I know I would have to achieve the required ATAR for my course at ADFA, but do my results in Year 11 have any affect?

Thanks in advance.

Stiff Under Carriage
18th Sep 2019, 12:30
Hey All,
Just finishing up my last pieces of assessment for Year 11, and since I'm shooting for ADFA next year, I have a question with regard to my school results. I'm currently doing straight maths/science (English, Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Chem, Physics and Biol), and I will be continuing this into Year 12. What impact will my Year 11 and/or Year 12 results have on my application? I know I would have to achieve the required ATAR for my course at ADFA, but do my results in Year 11 have any affect?

Thanks in advance.

Might depend on your Yr12 results... Either way, the best result you can possibly give them is YOUR best chance of getting to where you wanna go. There's not a lot you can do about Yr11 results now, so if they are not so good, do better in Yr12, if they are good, try and do better in Yr12. Get me?

Best of luck, heads down, stay away from distractions and remain focused.

Myk92
9th Oct 2019, 07:16
Hi everyone.

I'm currently in the queue for ASP, been offered a spot in November but need to delay.

I've been searching for as much information as possible regarding the ASP, but the best I can find is to download the CBAT app and do decimal multiplication type speed tests.

My question is, Is there anything else I can practice with?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

PP0595
19th Oct 2019, 06:51
Hi all, been lurking here for a while.

I have my ASP coming up next month, and I was wondering what tips/tricks people have to work through the complex SDT questions? For example, ďwhat speed covers 297 miles in 3 hours and 40 minutes?Ē

It seems that any time an odd number gets thrown in, I get thrown out.

Any help would be much appreciated, as well as if anyone could share some gauge on how complex the SDT will be?

Cheers.

asuthe13
8th Nov 2019, 04:14
Hi all, been lurking here for a while.

I have my ASP coming up next month, and I was wondering what tips/tricks people have to work through the complex SDT questions? For example, ďwhat speed covers 297 miles in 3 hours and 40 minutes?Ē

It seems that any time an odd number gets thrown in, I get thrown out.

Any help would be much appreciated, as well as if anyone could share some gauge on how complex the SDT will be?

Cheers.

I used to look at these questions and wonder how anyone did it in their head, but its deceptively easy.
3 hours and 40 minutes is 3 and 2/3rds of an hour, which is 11/3 hours.
297/11 is 27. 27x3 is 81.
81mph

arishap
15th Nov 2019, 02:36
Hey Everyone

I'm a 19yr old Uni Student applying for a role as a Joint Battlefield Airspace Controller or Air Traffic Controller in the RAAF. I was wondering if anyone else has been through the process for this role or if any successful applicants could shed some light on their experience.

Thanks heaps!!

fluroredbubbles
17th Nov 2019, 12:12
For anyone who took the ADFA journey or have been accepted, (or really just whoever has anything to do with it) how hard is it to get in? How well do you need to perform and what should your ATAR be looking like to even consider the ADFA route?

finestkind
20th Nov 2019, 20:29
flbbbles or can I just call you b**bs

The ATAR is up to you in regards to the degree you wish to pursue. In saying that it's a competitive (nasty non PC correct word that is no longer used in recruiting for the ADF) process. Mate you should be able to work out that if your chasing a high 70's ATAR for an ARTS degree their are a lot in the same boat with only a limited number of spots available. So say you'r chasing a high 80's ATAR for an engineering degree and achieve this but all spots are filled and you than say I'll take an ARTS degree who do you think is going to get that spot, the 70's ATAR or the 80's?

In respect to how hard is it to get in. Nothing is hard if you want it but again it is a competitive process, limited spots against the number applying.

flyboyjimjim
5th Dec 2019, 05:08
Hey All,

First of all congratulations to anyone that has recently been accepted into the ADF for aircrew, your hard work has truly paid off and you deserve full credit!

I have a quick question. Unfortunately at my 2 ASP's I was knocked back for Air Force pilot. I fully believe I can reach the standard required as first time being so young (16) I did feel quite nervous and made many silly mistakes, which really brought my score down, and second time I did perform much better with a cooler head (being older at 18), however I genuinely feel as though with the appropriate practice and experience my third attempt will be even better. I ranked quite high in some of the domains and just need to try and improve one or two (mainly strategic task management).

In the mean time before I go back, and whilst I complete my degree (I've just completed the first year of a four year mech and aero engineering degree), I have considered joining the reserves in some capacity, to not only improve my officer potential and demonstrate military motivation, but also to just genuinely serve my country in some capacity before I am able to hopefully fully dedicate myself to the service in the role I have always dreamed of.

Would joining the reserves be feasible if I want to later serve as a pilot (or even mission if pilot is not an option third time round), and if so, what would be the best roles (officer or enlisted) to join as for a future potential pilot (regardless of if they're recruiting for them at this moment)? I was thinking the top ones in the air force would be Intelligence officer or Ops manager (both are offered as reserve roles), but I'm open to any suggestions from all three services. Finally, if I am fortunate to enter into the reserves as an officer, would I need to repeat officer training, as it appears to be identical to full time?

Thank you for reading all of that! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone has tips for improving strategic task management, I'm more than happy to hear that as well! :)

Grey_Man
23rd Dec 2019, 05:07
G'day jimjim,

I don't think reserve time would overly assist you in your application for Pilot. One big thing to take in to the recruitment centres though - apply for the job that you want and if they tell you they aren't recruiting for that position at the moment, tell them that is all you want.

They have targets to meet and are fulfilling a role of someone not much better than a car salesman. Don't trust what they say, if you encounter someone in those centres that cares about you, then you have found a very rare individual.

Also - most of them have no idea about the roles they are selling you.. no more of an idea than any random person who has a friend of a friend that does the role.

PP0595
23rd Dec 2019, 11:45
Also, to add to this... by joining the reserves you no longer compete for a “Direct Entry” target, rather you compete for an “In Service” target. This can be just as much if not more competitive because the number of targets is considerably lower, and you’ll find that the level of competition can be arguably higher (considering that being in service you have a leg-up by the way of networking, information access and corporate knowledge).

ND_98
30th Dec 2019, 15:01
Hey all, I have been using the forms for the last year and used them to prepare for my ASP that I attended in early November this year. I received a recommendation for pilot and I was just wondering if anyone knows when the next round of OSB's will be?

finestkind
16th Feb 2020, 04:22
Hi ND,

They do have dates for OSB's but also will ramp up extra ones if they have not been able to get the numbers they want. I am guessing you would have been told about the "standing" of applicants with this being a fluctuating thing as applicants come in and depart. Basically you just have to wait.

Jos G
2nd Mar 2020, 21:23
Hey guys I had a question,

I wear Ortho K (Google of needed) contact lenses which I just wear at night and it corrects my vision back to 20/20. I only got these recently and am yet to make the DFR aware of these. My Optometrist says that its my choice if I want to tell them, but I don't want it to impact my chances.

Anyone in a similar situation or a suggestion?

PP0595
3rd Mar 2020, 09:28
Hey guys I had a question,

I wear Ortho K (Google of needed) contact lenses which I just wear at night and it corrects my vision back to 20/20. I only got these recently and am yet to make the DFR aware of these. My Optometrist says that its my choice if I want to tell them, but I don't want it to impact my chances.

Anyone in a similar situation or a suggestion?
ĎIntegrityí is one of our values and what you will find is that people stay true to that. If as part of your medical they ask for information referencing your eye sight or any enhancements, I wouldnít be hiding anything. Not to say you need to run down to DFR at first light and let them know, but be smart and be fair. This is what you should and would expect in the aircrew environment.

Realistically, and maybe a hard truth to encounter - but if it is something that the AVMO consider to be a concern, fair chance itís for good reason. Limitations that arenít a factor are taken on board and managed appropriately, but if it is a limiting factor then it may ruin your chances - though itís better than not having your mates back when you least expect it during operations.

ND_98
17th Apr 2020, 07:08
Hi again everyone,
Last month I successfully passed my RAAF OSB for pilot. Is there anyone else on this forum who is currently awaiting a letter of offer?
Also, I currently work full time and have not studied since i graduated high school in 2016. I undertook an extension mathematics bridging course last year, after i was told in 2017 that my mathematics was not competitive enough to send me to the old flight screening program when that used to run. Is there any other short courses or study that I could take on to make my application look better? I am considering starting a 3 year aviation based degree but not sure if it is worth taking on such a big commitment at this stage.
Thanks.

GiBrMn
20th Apr 2020, 05:08
Hi again everyone,
Last month I successfully passed my RAAF OSB for pilot. Is there anyone else on this forum who is currently awaiting a letter of offer?
Also, I currently work full time and have not studied since i graduated high school in 2016. I undertook an extension mathematics bridging course last year, after i was told in 2017 that my mathematics was not competitive enough to send me to the old flight screening program when that used to run. Is there any other short courses or study that I could take on to make my application look better? I am considering starting a 3 year aviation based degree but not sure if it is worth taking on such a big commitment at this stage.
Thanks.

Hey Mate, I just got my letter of offer so hopefully your one is coming too. Don't stress to hard if you don't get one though as I did my OSB in September last year and only just now received it. If you wan't to do a degree then do one, but do it with the assumption you won't get in as a pilot and it will lead you down a career path you want. If you don't want a big commitment then I'd say your best bet is to do short term high reward things like volunteering or getting a job that has you leading a team of people.

Malakor1
20th Apr 2020, 08:52
Hi again everyone,
Last month I successfully passed my RAAF OSB for pilot. Is there anyone else on this forum who is currently awaiting a letter of offer?
Also, I currently work full time and have not studied since i graduated high school in 2016. I undertook an extension mathematics bridging course last year, after i was told in 2017 that my mathematics was not competitive enough to send me to the old flight screening program when that used to run. Is there any other short courses or study that I could take on to make my application look better? I am considering starting a 3 year aviation based degree but not sure if it is worth taking on such a big commitment at this stage.
Thanks.

Congratulations passing the OSB! This is a great time to join the RAAF if aviation is your goal, the civil world is going to take a while to recover from this hit.

As for uni courses, I query why you think you need to make yourself more attractive as a candidate? If you passed and received a recommendation then it's locked in for now. I'm not too familiar with the new screening process, do they tell you how well you performed?

I personally wouldn't worry about the degree for now, I think there's other avenues you can go down to make yourself look better if that's what you're after (community service, volunteer work etc). Besides, if you get in you can study on the government dollar if you still want to do a degree.

ND_98
24th Apr 2020, 07:08
Congratulations passing the OSB! This is a great time to join the RAAF if aviation is your goal, the civil world is going to take a while to recover from this hit.

As for uni courses, I query why you think you need to make yourself more attractive as a candidate? If you passed and received a recommendation then it's locked in for now. I'm not too familiar with the new screening process, do they tell you how well you performed?

I personally wouldn't worry about the degree for now, I think there's other avenues you can go down to make yourself look better if that's what you're after (community service, volunteer work etc). Besides, if you get in you can study on the government dollar if you still want to do a degree.

Thanks alot mate! Definitely nice to know that I've done all I can until this point. In terms of the degree, it's more so just in case I have to re apply next year, to make my self look better if I don't get an offer this year. My ASP standing was competitive enough to progress me but my debriefer said it's on the lower end of candidates that pass through. Just trying to prepare anything I can so if I have to redo my ASP and OSB I have an even better chance.
As for volunteering work, I was doing quite a bit of volunteering stuff before all this COVID-19 situation, which is why a degree is really the only other thing I can think of to help better my application.

Karan Johal
8th May 2020, 11:42
Hi Guys,I have my pilot specialist testing coming up soon and just want to ask what you guys would recommend that I study besides the normal stuff like velocity, acceleration, and quick maths calculations. It's just that I've heard it a tough exam and only like 15% of people pass it.

Thanks.

Kallin James
17th May 2020, 03:35
Hey guys, Iím just wondering what my chances are of being a successful candidate for Raaf pilot. Iíve passed the you session and additional testing. Got to the psych interview, got through what seemed like most the questions and then got asked if I had a drivers license. I told them I recently lost it for 6 months for speeding. (I didnít want to lie). They told me to come back for my assessment day 9 months later. I also didnít finish year 12 but got to advance because I emailed my transcripts for a couple of cert 4s and a semester at uni for exercise science. Since then I havenít been able to study or work because of my license and the isolation thatís going on and Iím not attending uni anymore.
Ive just been studying my ass off for months and hoping I ace the assessment and ASP in hope of standing a chance. Would that be enough or would my downfalls stop me from advancing.
Thanks for any reply.

finestkind
18th May 2020, 07:18
Kallin if you do not try than that will be a downfall.

Kallin James
18th May 2020, 09:07
Kallin if you do not try than that will be a downfall.
oh yes Iím definitely going to try my best. I just hope them concerns donít ruin my chances.

Aurelius
26th Jun 2020, 23:44
Good morning all,

I have passed my RAAF Pilot Assessment Day and have heard (unofficially) that RAAF is considering running ASPs in Canberra starting in around 3 weeks, as a result of the border closures in Victoria presently. Has anyone on this forum heard anything that could corroborate this rumour?

Cheers,

Pierre Liu
20th Jul 2020, 06:24
Hi Aurelius,

Can confirm that ASPs are running in Canberra (Royal Military College Duntroon). Mine was scheduled Monday 20-24th July, but postponed due to their one week notice. Was advised to expect one week notices during this challenging period.

I am currently awaiting for further instructions and have been told I will likely be in the next session scheduled in the next 2-3 weeks.

Hope that helps.

P

krab
16th Oct 2020, 02:12
G'Day Everyone,

After combing through every single message on this forum, and a fair amount of time within DFR, I can finally say that I have completed every aspect of the recruitment process and am now awaiting a LOO for RAAF Pilot (ADFA). I was just curious if anyone knows when the next round of offers are coming out, or a rough timeframe of when to possibly expect an offer.

Cheers,

K

finestkind
16th Oct 2020, 04:52
Congrats krab. Just confirming you have successfully completed ASP and the OSB.

krab
16th Oct 2020, 09:22
Thank you FinestKind.

Yes, I have.

Just to clarify my situation a little further, I sat my first ASP last year, however was not competitive enough to progress through for RAAF Pilot. I was offered a few other roles, including Navy AvWO, and attended a board for that where I got a 'High Recommendation'. Even though that sounded like a really rewarding role, after a bit of consideration I chose to decline that LOO as my dream has always been to fly fixed wing. I went through my Assessment Day again, and have just completed my ASP for the second time where I unlocked all roles. It was mentioned to me that the RAAF was able to accept my Navy OSB scores, so I am not required to attend another OSB.

I was just curious about others experiences in how long they had to wait for receiving a LOO, and also if the RAAF would possibly look unfavourably on Navy OSB scores in comparison to RAAF ones.

Cheers,

K

afl123
22nd Oct 2020, 06:55
Hi Krab,

I completed by OSB for RAAF ADFA pilot and mission in mid-september. I passed my ASP earlier in July and was put through for all defence ADFA aviation roles but chose only to progress for RAAF.

I was notified yesterday that I would receive an offer for mission in the next week or so and possibly for pilot within the next few weeks. I assume offer rounds will then start next week and will progress for the next month or so.

Hope that helps.

krab
28th Oct 2020, 12:57
G'Day Afl123,

Thanks for that info, I really appreciate it.

I actually received a Letter of Offer for RAAF Pilot a little earlier. I'd just like to thank all the contributors on this thread over the years, it has been a priceless resource for preparation! I'd also just like to take the time to tell anyone who is currently in the the DFR pipeline, and those thinking about pursuing a career in OA; have a shot. If you are motivated and driven, you will get there in the end. I was in the DFR pipeline for quite some time, and I think the most important thing is to have confidence in yourself. That's all for now. Best of Luck!

Cheers,

K

JeffoWA
2nd Nov 2020, 02:12
Hi Everyone,

I am wondering if anyone has yet received an offer for Air Force DEO pilot to begin Q1 next year?

Regards

FlyingSoon
22nd Dec 2020, 01:55
Thanks for another great year of questions and feedback in this thread. As the year winds up, I'd remind everyone starting in the ADF next year to be responsible over the Christmas break - don't injure yourself or get caught doing something stupid (drink driving, breaching COVID restrictions). It is an excellent time to be joining the military aviation community and you don't want it delayed by something stupid!

I also wish all those awaiting the next step in their recruiting process the best of luck. Merry Christmas to all.

jmagee
5th Jan 2021, 05:05
Hi Jeffo,

Have you received an offer or heard of any offers going out since posting your question? I'm also waiting to receive an offer for RAAF DEO Pilot.

Cheers

imperius
7th Jan 2021, 05:41
Hi Jeffo,

Have you received an offer or heard of any offers going out since posting your question? I'm also waiting to receive an offer for RAAF DEO Pilot.

Cheers

Also in the same boat, looks like January and Feb intakes are all full so they're looking to fill the remaining spots for the following months

JeffoWA
31st Jan 2021, 10:23
Hi Jeffo,

Have you received an offer or heard of any offers going out since posting your question? I'm also waiting to receive an offer for RAAF DEO Pilot.

Cheers

Hi Mate

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

I missed out on the offers for Jan + Feb as well. As far as I know the next intake is in April with most of the offers going out in March, but I also know of a few offers that have already gone out for April...

Although theyíre not allowed to give exact numbers my EC told me thereís normally 5-10 spots at each OTS course for aviation (not all of which are pilot), so if some have already been issued for April Iím not particularly hopeful, but fingers crossed.

I assume the pool is filled with great candidates at the moment so we just need to wait and hope.

Anyway feel free to send me a message if you wanna get in contact 🤙🏻

Cheers mate

quickanddeadly
14th Feb 2021, 02:03
Hey all,

I am in the same boat waiting for RAAF DEO, did my ASP in June 2020 and OSB in October. Was waiting on med clearance which came through just before Christmas, but have heard that April intake has now been split in two, those with offers already are enlisting in March and the unfilled positions are enlisting in May. Unsure when those offers will be coming out, hopefully March.

Cheers.

Fritz_
20th Feb 2021, 04:35
Thank you FinestKind.

Yes, I have.

Just to clarify my situation a little further, I sat my first ASP last year, however was not competitive enough to progress through for RAAF Pilot. I was offered a few other roles, including Navy AvWO, and attended a board for that where I got a 'High Recommendation'. Even though that sounded like a really rewarding role, after a bit of consideration I chose to decline that LOO as my dream has always been to fly fixed wing. I went through my Assessment Day again, and have just completed my ASP for the second time where I unlocked all roles. It was mentioned to me that the RAAF was able to accept my Navy OSB scores, so I am not required to attend another OSB.

I was just curious about others experiences in how long they had to wait for receiving a LOO, and also if the RAAF would possibly look unfavourably on Navy OSB scores in comparison to RAAF ones.

Cheers,

K

Hi Krab,

Congratulations on your LOO for RAAF Pilot. I was wondering when you went to ASP for the second time round, what did you do differently in terms of study/prep that helped and did you find any useful practice tools that helped you prepare for ASP, other than the CBAT app?

Thanks Fritz

JeffoWA
14th Apr 2021, 03:33
Hi Guys

Just wanted to let you guys know I received an offer this week to begin OTS in May.

Thatís almost 4 years in the application pipeline for me so as you can imagine Iím over the moon.

Thanks to everyone thatís contributed info on this sub over the years and good luck with all your applications. Feel free to message me if you want to chat about anything

cheers

Myk92
19th Apr 2021, 09:48
Hi everyone - I've been one of the silent visitors of the forum looking to become a DEO Pilot.

After 2 years in the pipeline (this time around - first applied 10 years ago) - I have managed to secure a spot in the May OTS intake.

Just wanted to echo what a few of the posters above have mentioned by saying thanks to everyone that contributed.

Happy to answer any questions.

Cheers - Myk.

K777
26th Apr 2021, 12:48
Hey all,

I am in the same boat waiting for RAAF DEO, did my ASP in June 2020 and OSB in October. Was waiting on med clearance which came through just before Christmas, but have heard that April intake has now been split in two, those with offers already are enlisting in March and the unfilled positions are enlisting in May. Unsure when those offers will be coming out, hopefully March.

Cheers.
hey dear ,
could you please guide me in ASP?
If someone doesnít reach the minimum score to clear all officer jobs , do they need to wait for 12 months to go any other lower rank or they can immediately offered with any other lower rank ?

finestkind
28th Apr 2021, 10:22
hey dear ,
could you please guide me in ASP?
If someone doesnít reach the minimum score to clear all officer jobs , do they need to wait for 12 months to go any other lower rank or they can immediately offered with any other lower rank ?

Not too certain exactly what you are asking. If you are saying that the applicant was not recommended for officer entry due to their OSB than generally that is a 12 month wait to try again. If however you wish to than apply, straight after a non rec'd from the OSB, for entry as a Airman, Sailor or Soldier, that is a different type of entry and not required to wait.

SandpitNinja
19th Jun 2021, 04:49
Hi Guys,

I've been digging through this forum for the last few days in preparation for my upcoming ASP on the 11th of July down in East Sale.

I've found many golden nuggets of info which I think will help me in my journey to becoming a pilot. I just wanted to say a big thanks to everyone for the community spirit which has (for the most part) dominated this thread, especially to those who have gone through this process and share the benefit of hindsight with those of us who are about to have a crack.

To anyone who's in my position and is preparing for the same ASP, feel free to get in touch. It'll be good to have a friendly face by the time we get down there.

Cheers

-------------------------------------

Until you have a posting history you don't have access to private messaging and adding urls. Email a far more effective route at the moment.

pimpslayer
15th Jul 2021, 02:03
How'd it go? I've heard there's a new extra aviation battery.

SandpitNinja
16th Jul 2021, 03:02
Hi pimpslayer,

It went well for me, I ended up walking away with a high recommendation for Pilot. I was one of 2 out of 7 candidates on my course.
Everyone on my course Met the Required Standard (MRS) which is great and apparently quite rare, but not everyone got recommended for their first job preference.
SAYING THAT, most of the guys still did really well and were given recommendations for ARMY - Pilot which they're chuffed with.
one thing the ASP does really well is educate and motivate candidates on the different types of flying that all 3 services perform and most of us would have changed
our preferences even before getting our results based on the info they provide. Best advice is to go in with an open mind and listen to everything the advocates have to say.

I don't know what you mean about an additional aviation battery, if you want to elaborate I'm happy to share whatever I can, having been through it now.

The long and short of it is that if you've found the RAF CBAT TMI page (and trust me, they know TMI exists, they know PPrune exists and they know about the CBAT app)
which outlines the tests and have been practicing your mental arithmetic, there aren't TOO many curve balls. From that point it just comes down to how you do on the day.
Obviously they keep a few aces up their sleeve for the real testing and it really makes you think quite quickly in order to react effectively (fancy that for a military pilot application).

Good luck to anybody looking to attend ASP in the future.
It's a roller coaster, but if you think about it as a fun experience and make an effort to get along with the people on course, you really can't lose.

SandpitNinja
16th Jul 2021, 03:35
Another point I'll bring forward that I forgot to put in my last post.

Both candidates who were highly recommended by the MACTS testing had 0, zilch, zip, zero flying experience, so if that's holding you back because you're worried about how you might perform, don't let it.
Personally, I'm an Engineer and a gamer and I think that's what got me through.

pimpslayer
27th Jul 2021, 12:37
Hi SandpitNinja, thanks for the reply! Congratulations on passing, best of luck with your OSB.
I did a little bit of research, the new Officer Aviation Test Battery (OATB) I was talking about seems to be something you do at your local recruiting centre after your YOU session aptitude test, and before the ASP. Do you remember doing anything like that? I think it's a pretty new test, added within the last 6 months.

flyingbuddy
1st Oct 2021, 13:51
Hi Guys,
I'm preparing for the ASP which is in 4 days time. I know I left it till the last minute. But this is after rescheduling three times due to lockdown in NSW. I'm going to study on the CBAT app from today. Is there any other apps/material available which will make me ready for the day? Even though my name is flyingbuddy, I have never been to the cockpit of a plane 😅, which gives me so much pressure and anxiety about the ASP.
Thanks in advance for the tips.
Regards,
Yours truly

SandpitNinja
1st Oct 2021, 19:56
Hi Guys,
I'm preparing for the ASP which is in 4 days time. I know I left it till the last minute. But this is after rescheduling three times due to lockdown in NSW. I'm going to study on the CBAT app from today. Is there any other apps/material available which will make me ready for the day? Even though my name is flyingbuddy, I have never been to the cockpit of a plane 😅, which gives me so much pressure and anxiety about the ASP.
Thanks in advance for the tips.
Regards,
Yours truly

Hey Flyingbuddy,
From the email you sent me, I assumed you were talking about the additional testing day after the YOU session and before assessment day. Is this incorrect?
If I've given you the wrong info in my reply email I'm sorry, lmk (email will be faster) and I can point you in the right direction for some ASP info if needs be.

Have they changed the ASP due to lockdowns? Do you no longer have to go to RAAF East Sale in VIC?

I just assumed that due to Vic lockdowns they weren't running ASP at the moment, but makes sense that they would run satellite ASPs for interstate candidates to get them through the pipeline.

nick0
2nd Dec 2021, 05:54
Hi all,

I recently was recommended at my OSB for RAAF DEO pilot. Just wondering if anyone who still peruses this forum, or is in a similar position has any info regarding dates they will be sending out offer letters?

finestkind
22nd Dec 2021, 03:41
VHOEG,

it has always been this cycle. ADFA intake is early in the year and the last testing is done late in the year.

KelvinHelmholtz998
2nd Jun 2022, 05:59
Hey there,
Does anyone have any idea when the RAAF do their distributions for offers/select who theyíre taking on for the next OTS? Say, a month before course, etc?

woodja51
14th Jun 2022, 01:20
Another point I'll bring forward that I forgot to put in my last post.

Both candidates who were highly recommended by the MACTS testing had 0, zilch, zip, zero flying experience, so if that's holding you back because you're worried about how you might perform, don't let it.
Personally, I'm an Engineer and a gamer and I think that's what got me through.

All, this is a word of advice for those considering pilot training. The failure rates for those without any flying experience at all are anywhere from twice , to four times as high as those candidates with some flying experience. The sweet spot is probably about 25 - 30 hours at RPL level. More than this probably isnít needed , but zero hour candidates before starting actual flying are highly represented in suspensions. This is not always ability but often the environment that comes as a surprise ( being in a cockpit , g suit and vest , with a helmet / oxy mask and then the information overload plus 3 - D nature of flying. Simply going solo at a flying school can be enough to let you realise what you are in for. This is not something that a game can replicate. Even though testing metrics show you can get on and pass the course, doing is often a better indicator Ö it also demonstrates motivation if you have done a little flying - and often that alone can get you through the pilots course .. FYI

finestkind
14th Jun 2022, 06:12
All, this is a word of advice for those considering pilot training. The failure rates for those without any flying experience at all are anywhere from twice , to four times as high as those candidates with some flying experience. The sweet spot is probably about 25 - 30 hours at RPL level. More than this probably isnít needed , but zero hour candidates before starting actual flying are highly represented in suspensions. This is not always ability but often the environment that comes as a surprise ( being in a cockpit , g suit and vest , with a helmet / oxy mask and then the information overload plus 3 - D nature of flying. Simply going solo at a flying school can be enough to let you realise what you are in for. This is not something that a game can replicate. Even though testing metrics show you can get on and pass the course, doing is often a better indicator Ö it also demonstrates motivation if you have done a little flying - and often that alone can get you through the pilots course .. FYI

Very valid points.... for the old and bold system and in essence I agree. Are you quoting the failure rate from the new training system? You indicate that there is a "high" suspension rate before even starting flying. If so than this could well be from RC's sending anyone and everyone for testing, without real aviation motivation (you could be a pilot, wanna give it a go), or yep did very well on MACTS but education is not very good and therefore find it difficult with ground school (and if things are difficult with ground school than that resilience that has been fostered since birth will kick in, won't it?). The new system supposedly alleviates the cockpit shock significantly. Also the selection system is/was MACTS weighted, meaning that if you did very well and I mean very well than either deficiencies could be excused or the RAAF would help correct those deficiencies. In regards to flying time, yes and no. Once this would be a help in a) assessing motivation (keeping in mind location and financial constraints of candidates) and b) having airborne experience to substantiate that flying desire. Have already had this occur with a successful MACTS candidate with no airborne experience undergoing training and stating to his instructor "that if I had known that flying was like this I would not have joined".
As far as assessing the failure rate the RAAF has set itself up very well once again. Introducing a new selection process with a new aircraft and new training syllabi. I mean what could go wrong. Given the current inventory there can be little argument, I would think, that being a systems operator rather than a hands and feet operator is as desired if not more so.

KelvinHelmholtz998
14th Jun 2022, 07:25
finestkind
So the MACTS testing seems to be a reliable indicator of someone successfully passing flight training - along with motivation and perhaps some flight hours as mentioned?

Does it appear thereís at least been an improvement in pass rates since the closure of the old FSP?

finestkind
14th Jun 2022, 22:00
finestkind
So the MACTS testing seems to be a reliable indicator of someone successfully passing flight training - along with motivation and perhaps some flight hours as mentioned?

Does it appear thereís at least been an improvement in pass rates since the closure of the old FSP?

It is untenable to assess pass rates based on MACTS. As I indicated the introduction of a new selection process and assessment of it's success is stymied by a new aircraft, new training syllabi, and the reintroduction of a straight through one type aircraft training. Combine this with a more open filter at recruiting allowing a significantly larger number to undertake ASP ( which brings in other issues impacting on success rate, education being one) than assessing MACTS as being successful in itself would be delivering false statistics.

KelvinHelmholtz998
15th Jun 2022, 02:09
finestkind
If you had to name five qualities/attributes a candidate should posses, to successfully pass flight training, what would they be?

finestkind
16th Jun 2022, 02:50
finestkind
If you had to name five qualities/attributes a candidate should posses, to successfully pass flight training, what would they be?

Put me on the spot but I'll give it a go.

Potential. But potential without motivation is a fail.
Motivation. But motivation without application is a fail.
Application. But application without realistic appreciation/maturity of the difficulty is a fail.
Realistic appreciation/maturity. But without a goal is fail.
A goal provides motivation, application, appreciation and if you are upright and breathing potential can be developed.

There are a few more attributes and aptitudes that will help along the way. Such as military ethos etc. Airborne adaptability Had a candidate that threw up on every sortie at least twice if not more. Now there was no doubt with his motivation and he had reasonable potential but he was never going to make the standard in the desired time. He had chronic motion sickness (plan's, train's, and automobiles, plus anything that had any motion i.e he could not watch Top Gun). Even if he had been allowed to progress at his own rate having a squadron mate that threw up all the time presents it's own issues.

KelvinHelmholtz998
16th Jun 2022, 08:43
finestkind
Ack, Iíll keep this in mind if I am lucky enough to get my foot in the door.

josephfeatherweight
16th Jun 2022, 12:23
Being a “good bloke/blokette” goes a LONG way to your success on course, too…
Nobody likes to fly with, or train, a knob.

RHLMcG
17th Jun 2022, 11:55
Several comments made about ground school.
Might I enquire what the current ground school
(a) subjects are
(b) training material in each subject is like
(c) instructors are like so far as technical competence and delivery is concerned
(d) rate of material delivery is like
(e) instructor/student ratio is

Zacertsy2005
17th Jul 2022, 11:42
Hey everyone,
I'm currently in the pipeline for a RAAF OA role and am starting flying lessons very soon to get some hours in, and I am implementing the great advice I'm finding as I go through this thread. I am currently waiting on my assessment day due to being in year 11 still and AD results only lasting 12 months I've been advised by DFR to wait until early next year to have my assessment day before progressing on to ASP, OSB. I acknowledge this is going to be a long process but I am really looking forward to the challenge as this is something I have wanted to do since I was young, can't wait to read through all the information here over the coming months and continue to come back to this thread as my application progresses.

Hopefully, I will make it for the 2024 ADFA intake!

-Zac

finestkind
19th Jul 2022, 01:29
Hey everyone,
I'm currently in the pipeline for a RAAF OA role and am starting flying lessons very soon to get some hours in, and I am implementing the great advice I'm finding as I go through this thread. I am currently waiting on my assessment day due to being in year 11 still and AD results only lasting 12 months I've been advised by DFR to wait until early next year to have my assessment day before progressing on to ASP, OSB. I acknowledge this is going to be a long process but I am really looking forward to the challenge as this is something I have wanted to do since I was young, can't wait to read through all the information here over the coming months and continue to come back to this thread as my application progresses.

Hopefully, I will make it for the 2024 ADFA intake!

-Zac

Sounds good Zac.
Word of advice. Make certain you adhere to a/your timeline so that you do not end up missing out. YR 12 will be busy enough and more so if you add in your ASP and OSB. The new system (if it has not already been stuffed up) has a bit more flexibility to it. I would certainly make sure you have all your RC stuff done by the end of the year which should allow you to be available for testing etc. Do not forget if there is a hiccup in the RC line i.e a medical issue which you may wish to dispute, that this will take time. Once again you will have enough to do next year without having something like that on your plate.

Good luck.

Zacertsy2005
27th Jul 2022, 00:21
Thanks for that advice I'll make sure to keep in touch with DFR in order to keep my application progressing and I'll make sure to get my assessment day out of the way. How long is the process between AD-ASP-OSB is this process feasible to complete in year 12?. Fingers crossed there are no medical issues and my preparation pays off.

VHOEG
27th Jul 2022, 07:10
Sounds good Zac.
Word of advice. Make certain you adhere to a/your timeline so that you do not end up missing out. YR 12 will be busy enough and more so if you add in your ASP and OSB. The new system (if it has not already been stuffed up) has a bit more flexibility to it. I would certainly make sure you have all your RC stuff done by the end of the year which should allow you to be available for testing etc. Do not forget if there is a hiccup in the RC line i.e a medical issue which you may wish to dispute, that this will take time. Once again you will have enough to do next year without having something like that on your plate.

Good luck.
Finestkind,
As someone trying to get in (either ADFA or DEO) for 2023, would you mind enlightening me on a few things?

I certainly have a goal.
I believe I've got the motivation.
I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience).
I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors).
I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course.

But I'm a bit lost regarding maturity.
I think I'm 'mature' but was told at the start of the year to gain more leadership experience (which I have since done) to 'mature' a bit before continuing on the DEO application side later this year.
Do you have any suggestions on what you're looking for in a person on pilot's course regarding maturity? Likewise, are there any 'indicators' for potential (or any other areas, for that matter) that you look for?

Admittedly, at the end of the day, my biggest fear would be to fail pilot's course (particularly after getting an IMPS from ADFA) so I want to make sure that if I'm offered a place as a pilot, I put myself in the best possible position (and state of mind) to pass (and hopefully excel at) pilot's course.

Thank you.
Got ASP coming up soon so any advice will be great to take into OSB if successful at ASP.

finestkind
28th Jul 2022, 03:40
Finestkind,
As someone trying to get in (either ADFA or DEO) for 2023, would you mind enlightening me on a few things?

I certainly have a goal.
I believe I've got the motivation.
I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience).
I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors).
I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course.

But I'm a bit lost regarding maturity.
I think I'm 'mature' but was told at the start of the year to gain more leadership experience (which I have since done) to 'mature' a bit before continuing on the DEO application side later this year.
Do you have any suggestions on what you're looking for in a person on pilot's course regarding maturity? Likewise, are there any 'indicators' for potential (or any other areas, for that matter) that you look for?

Admittedly, at the end of the day, my biggest fear would be to fail pilot's course (particularly after getting an IMPS from ADFA) so I want to make sure that if I'm offered a place as a pilot, I put myself in the best possible position (and state of mind) to pass (and hopefully excel at) pilot's course.

Thank you.
Got ASP coming up soon so any advice will be great to take into OSB if successful at ASP.

The ASP should enlighten you on a number of aspects. If you want to punch holes in the sky than the RAAF is the only way to go. But bear in mind that you join as Officer Aviation in the RAAF which means you can end up being a number of things, aviation wise, apart from pilot and also not necessarily a fast jet pilot i.e UAV pilot. The Navy and Army do sign you up as helicopter pilot and that is where you go and either gain your wings or not.

In respect to IMPS for ADFA that is your choice. A couple of points. You get paid whilst gaining a degree and you have a job after gaining that degree. So worst case scenario is unsuccessful on pilots course but have a few years of paid employment (of which you may end up finding that you really enjoy even if not pushing and pulling). This as opposed to civvy street where you owe for your degree and either do not have a job or one that is not related to your degree.

Maturity? Well there are a number of 22/23 year old's out there as DEO's doing it. I think you will find that the maturity aspect is highly related to what you have done, application, and also to an appreciation of what you are getting yourself into. By what you have said I would think that your maturity is fine.

Leadership is still looked at but not as heavily as once with MACTS results having a major bearing. But like anything if you have two candidates that have very similar results who do you pick. The one with a track record/history in what you are looking for.

Confidence ;

I certainly have a goal. Tick
I believe I've got the motivation. No you have shown you have motivation through going through the RC BS and undertaking flying lessons
I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience). I have shown application through my school results and xyz
I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors). According to my instruction I have potential and as far as an OSB goes shown through your MACTS results.
I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course. I have looked into pilots course, spoken to xyz, read forums, asked questions to gain an insight into what I am undertaking.

With the OSB suffice to say be prepared. In regards to how it once was, with blood having to be cleaned up before the next interview, to how it is now it has evolved into a more civilised equation.

finestkind
28th Jul 2022, 05:57
[QUOTE=Zacertsy2005;11268424]Thanks for that advice I'll make sure to keep in touch with DFR in order to keep my application progressing and I'll make sure to get my assessment day out of the way. How long is the process between AD-ASP-OSB is this process feasible to complete in year 12?. Fingers crossed there are no medical issues and my preparation pays off.[/QUOT

Unable to give you a time line Zac. To many variables from the RC loosing your app to issues with maybe your medical to completed ASP and although your in the pool your call up to an OSB may be as long as a piece of string if there are others that are ahead of you or more going into the pool in a better position.

Zacertsy2005
29th Jul 2022, 06:28
Just got back from DFR today and got some info regarding those who are looking at joining for the 2024 ADFA intake. The recruiter I spoke to confirmed that assessment days for the 2024 intake wonít take place until around Feb-ish and at least any applicants from the Newcastle centre have been placed in a queue for next year. Itís a bit unfortunate as it tightens the schedule for going through all the steps but it gives a bit more of timeline. Hope this helps if anyone was wondering.

finestkind
29th Jul 2022, 22:35
Just got back from DFR today and got some info regarding those who are looking at joining for the 2024 ADFA intake. The recruiter I spoke to confirmed that assessment days for the 2024 intake won’t take place until around Feb-ish and at least any applicants from the Newcastle centre have been placed in a queue for next year. It’s a bit unfortunate as it tightens the schedule for going through all the steps but it gives a bit more of timeline. Hope this helps if anyone was wondering.


I know you don't want to rock the boat but I would be questioning that. I wonder if it is just Newcastle or is this a nationwide RC thing. Ring Parra RC and ask when you can do your testing for ADFA 2024, without giving your location or give one on Sydney (relations or friends in Sydney.) Or call 131901 and ask when you can do your testing.

Zacertsy2005
31st Jul 2022, 03:36
I know you don't want to rock the boat but I would be questioning that. I wonder if it is just Newcastle or is this a nationwide RC thing. Ring Parra RC and ask when you can do your testing for ADFA 2024, without giving your location or give one on Sydney (relations or friends in Sydney.) Or call 131901 and ask when you can do your testing.


Was on the phone with 131901 and they reiterated what Newcastle said not running assessment days for adfa 2024 until next year. I asked them for further clarification and they said assessment day results only last one year and that your enlistment must be within that one year period with zero flexibility. I guess it gives me more time to continue studying everything I can about defence, practice my mental arithmetic/other CBAT skills and get more flight time in :)

finestkind
31st Jul 2022, 05:47
Was on the phone with 131901 and they reiterated what Newcastle said not running assessment days for adfa 2024 until next year. I asked them for further clarification and they said assessment day results only last one year and that your enlistment must be within that one year period with zero flexibility. I guess it gives me more time to continue studying everything I can about defence, practice my mental arithmetic/other CBAT skills and get more flight time in :)

Zack check your PM's, make that times two. Enlistment within one year of assessment is very questionable. As I indicated, your MACTS results will supersede your RC assessment, your OSB will supersede your RC interview.

VHOEG
29th Aug 2022, 06:06
The ASP should enlighten you on a number of aspects. If you want to punch holes in the sky than the RAAF is the only way to go. But bear in mind that you join as Officer Aviation in the RAAF which means you can end up being a number of things, aviation wise, apart from pilot and also not necessarily a fast jet pilot i.e UAV pilot. The Navy and Army do sign you up as helicopter pilot and that is where you go and either gain your wings or not.

In respect to IMPS for ADFA that is your choice. A couple of points. You get paid whilst gaining a degree and you have a job after gaining that degree. So worst case scenario is unsuccessful on pilots course but have a few years of paid employment (of which you may end up finding that you really enjoy even if not pushing and pulling). This as opposed to civvy street where you owe for your degree and either do not have a job or one that is not related to your degree.

Maturity? Well there are a number of 22/23 year old's out there as DEO's doing it. I think you will find that the maturity aspect is highly related to what you have done, application, and also to an appreciation of what you are getting yourself into. By what you have said I would think that your maturity is fine.

Leadership is still looked at but not as heavily as once with MACTS results having a major bearing. But like anything if you have two candidates that have very similar results who do you pick. The one with a track record/history in what you are looking for.

Confidence ;

I certainly have a goal. Tick
I believe I've got the motivation. No you have shown you have motivation through going through the RC BS and undertaking flying lessons
I believe I can apply myself (at least based on school experience). I have shown application through my school results and xyz
I don't know about the potential [yet] (I've flown a little which I loved and seemed to "understand" - for what it's worth in ~10 hrs - according to instructors). According to my instruction I have potential and as far as an OSB goes shown through your MACTS results.
I think I have a realistic appreciation for the difficulty and demands of pilot's course. I have looked into pilots course, spoken to xyz, read forums, asked questions to gain an insight into what I am undertaking.

With the OSB suffice to say be prepared. In regards to how it once was, with blood having to be cleaned up before the next interview, to how it is now it has evolved into a more civilised equation.

Many thanks for your insights finest kind. It appears my initial reply didn't come through so I'm resubmitting it here.
Thanks again.

VHOEG
29th Aug 2022, 06:31
Was on the phone with 131901 and they reiterated what Newcastle said not running assessment days for adfa 2024 until next year. I asked them for further clarification and they said assessment day results only last one year and that your enlistment must be within that one year period with zero flexibility.

Can confirm that I was told the same thing last year re ADFA 2023 intake. They only did Assessment Days (in my capital city) for ADFA in the year preceding the ADFA intake. YOU Session and Additional Testing can occur at any time though (provided they remain valid).