What Cockpit? MK V

[BSD]

I think it's an Aero 145.

BSD.

p.s. nothing to post, so if I'm right it's a free-for-all to post.

[windriver]

BSD :ok: - I think you're right, but I`m not sure if there is any difference between the designation Aero 145 (which has featured before) and the challenge aircraft described as a Super Aero 45, Maitland Air Charter (G-APRR)... Perhaps someone could clear this up...

I don`t have a cockpit to post at the moment either... so it's open house.

[Akubra]

Hope this counts... :)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp2.jpg

[pigboat]

The Doolittle Pushme-Pullyu P2B? ;)

[larssnowpharter]

A dirigible/blimp/airship of some sort?

[Akubra]

pigboat, Not sure what that is?
larssnowpharter, It was a biplane.

More clues as I will be back in 7 hours:
Between 90 and 100 were built.
Flew for over a decade.
It was developed from another craft and had two others developed from it.

Edit: I should mention that this was probably a one off modified version.

[evansb]

Farman F.60 Goliath?

[Akubra]

This was not a Farman.
This plane type was used as transport/cargo, but not in this case.

[MReyn24050]

Vickers Victoria Mk V perhaps?

[larssnowpharter]

I think Mel is on the right track. In the unlikely event that he is wrong, could this be an interior view of a Valentia used by Alan Cobham to develop air to air refuelling?

[Akubra]

I must have given one to many clues!
Mel is correct. :D
This Vic was used for blind flying training by the RAF.
Well done on what little info available!

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Akubra the clues that gave it away were the fact it was a Biplane and used for transport/cargo and the cross section of the fuselage.
Now this one is really too easy:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz272.jpg

[Kitbag]

2 seat hunter?

[MReyn24050]

This one is not a Two seat or single seat Hunter.
Mel

[Kitbag]

British looking, single jet engine, no reheat.

Canadair CL13 Sabre?

[windriver]

Canadair CL-41

[MReyn24050]

kitbag is correct in it being British,a single seat with no reheat.

[evansb]

Mel, check your PMs.
Bri

[MReyn24050]

You are correct, response PMd to you.
Mel

[windriver]

Here's my next guess - Sea Hawk?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Hawker Sea Hawk the first flight of this aircraft was a few years after the Sea Hawk's first flight.
Mel

[windriver]

Confirm British, single seater.. and not previously featured?

Some of the airframe architecture looks late fifties... and the avionics look mid eighties suggesting an ex Mil aircraft in civil trim.

[MReyn24050]

Confirm British, single seater.. and not previously featured - confirmed British but not single seat,at least it is not in my database.
Some of the airframe architecture looks late fifties... and the avionics look mid eighties suggesting an ex Mil aircraft in civil trim - That is correct.

This was a British twin seat aircraft but it has not been featured before according to my list.

Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Strikemaster?

[India Four Two]

Beagle Bassett?

Have just re-read the thread and seen that it is a two-seater, so I withdraw my suggestion :\

[windriver]

Folland Gnat?

[MReyn24050]

Give that man a prize.:D:ok::)
It is a Folland Gnat. N572XR
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/FollandGnat.jpg
You have control.
This one is up for sale in the USA.
Mel

[windriver]

The honour of providing the challenge is prize enough... Here's the next challenge.

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/pr97.jpg

[Dick Whittingham]

Well...civilianised Gnat anyway. The instrument fit is radically different from the RAF in-service setup.

Dick W

[Akubra]

Northrop T-38 maybe?

[windriver]

Very Warm Akubra.....

[Akubra]

If not the Telon then maybe the F-5?

[larssnowpharter]

I think akruba has it. PAF?

[windriver]

Correct Akubra:ok: .. it's the F5B (USAF)... Can`t post a picture right.. now as my server is offline... You have control

[Akubra]

Thanks windriver, Thats one of the best looking aircraft in my books.

The next challenge was built a few years earlier.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp3.jpg

I have a feeling a few questions will be asked about this one. :}

[MReyn24050]

No questions from me on this one, although the source of the copy of the photograph I have the author was unsure of the aircraft's identity. I will let it run for others. Check your PMs Akubra.
Mel

[Akubra]

Mel is onto it already. :)
You have identified the pilot correctly but the planes name was not correct. That narrows it down somewhat. :)
You might want to forward this information to the author.

[pigboat]

Looks vaguely Italian, Savoia-Marchetti S.66?

[Akubra]

Sorry pigboat, not Italian.

[MReyn24050]

Akubra, thanks for that was I correct regarding the manufacturer? If so then the first letter of the aircraft's name would be the same I think.

[larssnowpharter]

Looks a bit Russki the driver chappie. Total guess: Ant 14

[Akubra]

MReyn24050:Yes and Yes.
Now that certainly narrows it down. :)
larssnowpharter: Not from Russia I'm afraid.

[MReyn24050]

Akubra. Thanks I am not sure if this bird is a monster or a nymph,from the photograph she certainly looks a handful. Although I understand it handled well.

[Kitbag]

Looking at the throttles am I correct in assuming this is a twin engined flying boat?

[MReyn24050]

It is Akubra's bedtime.
However I can answer your question. You are in fact incorrect on both counts, this aircraft was a landplane and was multi-engined.
Mel

[puddinghead]

I reckon it might be the Short Scylla.

[MReyn24050]

Well done puddinghead :D:ok: It is the Short L.17 , two were built Scylla and Syrinx. Akubra's photograph shows Scylla (G-ACJJ) with Captain O.P.Jones at the controls.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/ShortL.17%20Scylla.jpg
CH Barnes in his book 'Shorts Aircraft since 1900' published by Putnam relates a story regarding the Short L.17 handling. The story has it that when Capt Jones was flying Syrinx on one of its last flights in WWII he was landing at Westland's airfield at Yeovil, where the airfield had just been elaborately camouflaged with dummy 'hedges and ditches' sprayed on to the grass with a mixture of paint and sawdust. This looked very realistic on a dull November afternoon, and Capt Jones, with very little load on board, managed to land across the airfield from north to south in about 50 yards, coming to rest without actually over-running any of the painted stripes.
Next morning Westland's chief test pilot, Harald Penrose, had to deliver a Lysander to Boscombe Down:he made a typical 'three-point take-off' in his best Lysander demonstration manner and continued climbing at more than 45 degrees. Capt Jones then took off,unsticking the Syrinx in about twice its own length, and climbed equally steeply, though in a level attitude. This spectacle seriously misled another visiting pilot, following in a Miles Whitney light monoplane, into thinking there was a strong westerly wind shear, but in fact there was very little wind, and his determined leap off the ground was followed by a stall, from which he only just managed to recover without damage.
You have control

[puddinghead]

Thanks,

That was a lucky guess. Something from far distant Classics lessons rang a bell - Scylla was a nymph turned into a monster!
I've just had a look at the list of previous types and I'm afraid to say it's going to take me a considerable amount of time to find something that's not been posted before. What's more, I don't think I've got the right kit with me to upload an image. I'd be grateful if someone else could keep this going while I get my ducks in a row.

PH

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ViewRestricted.jpg

[Kitbag]

Hope its the back seat of something, forward vision being a bit limited!

F4G Wild Weasel?

[evansb]

Vis is certainly restricted. She is a single-seater. No, sorry not a McDonnell F-4 Wild Weasel.

[Tiger_mate]

Italian G91?

[evansb]

Sorry, the aircraft is larger and newer than the Fiat G.91 Gina.

[MReyn24050]

It is a Russian aircraft I think.

[Tiger_mate]

The handle at the top would suggest a Navy (carrier) aircraft.

The GPS is a bodge, and although this could be an ex military now civilian aircraft, nations such as Argentine have done this with operational aircraft (Etendard?)

The 'stick' is very similar to that of an F14, but there are no single or indeed twin stick F14.

The Russians historically controlled their fighters from the ground, and therefore forward vision is not deemed too important, so Mel could be on the right track, but it is not a Fulcrum.

[evansb]

The aircraft is of Russian origin.

[larssnowpharter]

Might it be the civilianised version of the Myasishchev M55 Mystic; the Geophysica? High alt recon hence no need for forward vis.

[evansb]

larssnowpharter is correct:ok: Well done:D Its the 122 ft. wingspan
environmental research and surveillance aircraft Myasischev M-55 Geofizika. The M-55 set a number of high altitude records before production was terminated in 1994. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/MyasischevM55Geofizika.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

Thank you evansb. One apologises for implying that the L 17 pilot looked Russian. It must be the hat, the blouson shirt and the fact that the aircraft looked as though it had been built out of girders.
Here's one that I don't think we have had before but I doubt it cause problems:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/whatcockpit101.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

This is lasting rather longer than I expected. I shall be away for a few days. I have asked Mel to adjudicate.

Mel: Please check PMs

[Kitbag]

OK, British blind flying panel, fuel across 3 tanks, mach meter, no canopy sealing. Late WWII? No spade type stick top

Martin Baker MB5?

[larssnowpharter]

British: Yes
Late WW2: No
Not from the Martin stable

[Dick Whittingham]

1950's straight wing jet (Mach warning at 0.8M). Military. Panel layout looks de Haviland.

Dick W

[MReyn24050]

Answers to your questions:-
1950's straight wing jet (Mach warning at 0.8M)? This aircraft was late 1940s early 1950s it was a straight wing aircraft but not jet aircraft in the sense you mean.
It was a Military aircraft.
The aircraft was not from the de Haviland stable.
Mel for larssnowpharter

[Kitbag]

Westland Wyvern?

[paulc]

Gloster E28/39 ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry paulc, kitbag has it, it is the Westland Wyvern :D:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Wyvern-2.jpg
Kitbag you have control.

[windriver]

Short Seamew - Whoops (Wrong) simultaneous posting

[Kitbag]

VMT Mel & Lars.

I have nowt to hand right now, so first come first served (again!)

[evansb]

The aircraft has been suspended upside down in a hangar, hence the view of a skylight.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3107074.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Check PMs please Bri
Mel

[MReyn24050]

No takers? Looks like a monoplane. Possibly now a museum piece?
Mel

[Kitbag]

Perhaps one of the Etrich Taube family?

[windriver]

This is quite a challenge! Looks like a shoulder wing monoplane perhaps with a Parasol type bracing.

The Slingsby T21 has a more comprehensive instrument fit! So not even sure if it's a powered machine..

Can I just ask if it's currently a display in a public museum or simply stored in a hangar somewhere.

[evansb]

It is not from the European continent. It is a powered craft. It is on display, in a hangar, but as it is the only example extant, it does not fly.
Here is a real big clue, it was posted before but I missed seeing it listed.
The aircraft incorporated two technological firsts, one quite advanced for the time.

Yes, it is a monoplane with parasol bracing.

[windriver]

Here is a real big clue, it was posted before but I missed seeing it listed.

Yes.. I copied the list to a text file and isolated the types I`d never heard of... got lucky on my second Google!... I won`t post the answer though.

[evansb]

As windriver knows it, and MReyn24050 knows it, combined with the fact that it has been posted before, I have decided to reveal the aircraft if it isn't identified in 24 hours.

[MReyn24050]

In defence of Bri the aircraft which is the subject of this challenge was listed by myself in the list of aircraft presented under it's manufacturer and not it's designer by which it is sometimes identified. hence the reason for it's duplicate posting. However as Bri says the aircraft incorporated two technological firsts, one quite advanced for the time. One of which I do not think has been repeated.
Mel

[Kitbag]

One of which I do not think has been repeated


Does that make it a technological last as well? :}

[windriver]

One of which I do not think has been repeated
Presumably the hinged fuselage?

Fascinating challenge .....

[evansb]

Technological last? Quite possibly. The aircraft was not a success, only 3 were built in 1917, only 2 flew. Curiously, the rudder was used only to compensate for engine torque.

[Akubra]

Parasol bracing like this maybe? :}
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/clue.jpg

[evansb]

Yes, quite similar.

[windriver]

Curiously, the rudder was used only to compensate for engine Torque.

These higher powered rotary engined aircraft must have been monsters to control at the best of times. As a new rotary engined type in 1917 it surely must have been doomed from the start.

Does anyone know when or what the last series production rotary engined type was? Was anyone building rotary engined aircraft after 1918?

[evansb]

Historical references indicate that Rotary Engine production ceased in the year 1918. Nearly 92,400 rotary engines were produced under all licenses. Russian factories may have produced small numbers for reverse-engineering studies up to the year 1919. Barnstormers and other surplus airframe operators used the engines into 1926.
Engine cores and spares became increasingly sparse, thereby rendering many, if not all, engines to the scrap pile. After all, the War-to-end-all-Wars was over, wasn't it? Is it possible that multi-millionare Howard Hughes was the last known operator of a Rotary engine? Check out his long-delayed movie "Hell's Angels" for confirmation. Be wary of inserted stock footage though. The original, uncut, unedited movie is hard to find.

[windriver]

Thanks.. interesting.

Sorry about thread creep... but this has been an interesting challenge and it got me wondering whether or not there were any successful multi rotary engined powered aircraft - The Caudron G4 appears to be a notable example with over 1300 examples built but that seems to be about it...

[evansb]

It is the Albree-Pigeon-Fraser-Pursuit, the first pursuit aircraft contracted by the U.S. government. The aircraft had a flying tail section, and the first flat bottom airfoil.
It is on display at the Old Rhinebeck Museum, in New York state.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/albree.jpg

Anyone who has a cockpit photo to post, please do so.

[MReyn24050]

Another oldie I am afraid.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz94.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Nakajima A1N?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Bri, not Japanese.

[Akubra]

Late 30's early 40's?

[India Four Two]

1930s, British, twin machine guns with interrupter gear?

[larssnowpharter]

Late 20s possibly, more likely early 30s, biplane, Brit

[windriver]

Is it the Fairey Fantome?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay;
Akubra:- Late 30's early 40's?1930s This aircraft was Early to Mid 1930s

India Four Two:- British, twin machine guns with interrupter gear? It was British and yes to armament.

larssnowpharter:- Late 20s possibly, more likely early 30s, biplane, Brit It was a biplane and see answer for India42

windriver:- Is it the Fairey Fantome? Not the Fairey Fantome.

[windriver]

OK.. How about the Hawker Hardy?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was not from the Hawker or Fairey Stables.
Mel

[PPRuNe Radar]

Gloster Gamecock ??

[MReyn24050]

Great to see you back. This one was not from Glosters I am afraid.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

AW 35 Scimitar

[MReyn24050]

Give that man a coconut :ok::D :). It is indeed the Armstrong Whitworth Scimitar
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/arm_scimitar.jpg
You have control

[evansb]

Here is one for our newer ppruners:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3125530.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

Thank you Mel. A process of elimination rather than skill, I'm afraid. After, the usual suspects had been eliminated (Gloster, Hawker, Fairey) little was left that would fit the category. It was a difficult time for purveyors of military flying machines and I think only a few Scimitars were produced.

One thing that struck me as strange about it was the position of what I assumed was the gun button; you would need a double jointed thumb to work that!

[asw28-866]

Fokker F-28?

[evansb]

asw28-866 is spot on:ok: :D The Rolls-Royce Spey powered F-28 it is! You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/f28.jpg

[asw28-866]

Thank you evansb. This type first flew in the same year as the F-28:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/cockpit0207070001.jpg

Regards
866

[MReyn24050]

How about the Slingsby T.53 Sailplane?

[Tiger_mate]

ASK-14 first flew in 1967

[Fitter2]

Obviously from the canopy catch one of Eugen Hanle's Libelles. Going by the vintage of the instruments, (and not being able to see if there is a flap lever) my guess is an H301

[Fitter2]

On the other hand, since


The F28-1000 prototype, registered PH-JHG, first flew on May 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_9), 1967 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967).

I'll change that to Standard Libelle H201

[asw28-866]

Fitter2 has it! Welcome to Pprune & What Cockpit....The panel is indeed of an H201 Standard Libelle I owned in the UK in the early 90's:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/cockpit0207070002.jpg

Fitter2, you have control.

[Fitter2]

Thanks for your welcome, ASW28. I have lurked for some time amazed at the breadth of knowledge (or aviation library) of the regulars. If I can get this picture link lark to work try this one - having researched the lists, I don't think it has previously appeared.

http://i19.tinypic.com/6ce96ic.jpg

[VitaminGee]

Some form of airship like the Zeppelin?

[larssnowpharter]

I'll have to check and see if I have flown 518.

Delightful glider the Libelle.

3500 ft, still going up, (in the UK!) and 30 degrees of bank, and taking pics while keeping the turn centered (both hands on the camera, stick between the knees). Give that man a cigar. :ok::D

[Fitter2]

VitaminGee - no, not lighter than air.

Larssnowpharter - agree, the Libelle is delightful, although a bit tight across my shoulders. Now the LS8, or ASW28's toy are even better.:)

[MReyn24050]

Very interesting angle this photograph has been taken. It would appear it was taken looking up at the instrument panel, and the components,left and right, at the bottom of the photograph are the control pedals?
Mel

[Fitter2]

Correct, if I interpret the photo correctly too. Any guesses to narrow the search criteria will be answered as promptly as I can.

[windriver]

Cor.. it makes your brain hurt looking at this...For elimination purposes I`ll kick off with...

Single seater, piston single , 1960's, civilian.

[Fitter2]

Single seater? No
Piston Single? Yes
1960s? Earlier.
Civilian? No

[Kitbag]

NA 6 Harvard/Texan?

[Fitter2]

Not the Harvard/Texan, although from the US and similar vintage.

[windriver]

Grumman Avenger?

[Fitter2]

Not any of the Grumman stable

[evansb]

Curtiss-Wright CW-21?

[Fitter2]

Nor by Curtis-Wright. More conventional than the CW-21, although innovative in a number of respects when new.

[MReyn24050]

Brewster XF2A-2 Buffalo “The Peanut Special” perhaps?

[Fitter2]

Nor a Brewster (and as mentioned earlier, this is not a single seater) although we are hunting around the right period.

[MReyn24050]

Are we in the right country though? I will suggest the Vought SB2U Vindicator.
Mel

[windriver]

Douglas Dauntless?

If not....

Was this a carrier borne aircraft?

[evansb]

The 3-seater Douglas TBD-1 Devastator.

[Fitter2]

Evansb had it - if I had replied earlier confirming Douglas, carrier borne but not the Dauntless, windriver might have beaten him to the tape.
http://i7.tinypic.com/4p4gbw2.jpg
Evansb, you have control.

[windriver]

Fitter2.. whilst we're waiting for the next challenge would you mind posting the full version of your challenge image if you have one... even now I know what it was it's still difficult to visualise the view.

[evansb]

Thanks Fitter2. A stimulating challenge! I enjoyed the the research, and your comments regarding the possibility of windriver beating me to the tape truly inspire me to improve my acumen.
Here is the next What Cockpit?:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/weWillBuryYou.jpg

[pigboat]

Junkers Ju52 -1M ?

[MReyn24050]

Just a wild guess, the 1936 Stinson Model A Tri-Motor?
Mel

[windriver]

In the spirit of 3 engines I'll go for the Ford Trimotor....

May seem an odd question but what marks this out as a three engined aircraft? The "throttle??" levers or some instruments perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

I think it is the throttle levers,however the convention looks wrong ie I always thought it was red for port green for starboard.
Mel

[evansb]

Sorry mates, not a Stinson, Junkers, nor a Ford.
The engine control binnacle is non-standard. The teal coloured control is for the propeller pitch, the central pewter handle is the throttle, and the red knob is for the mixture.

[Kitbag]

The instruments suggest to me that it is a single engine, the levers being Throttle, mixture and pitch. Looking at the placards suggests English speaking origins.

[Tiger_mate]

Fokker F7 or VIIa?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Fokker. You are looking at the only flying example of the type extant. She has been restored to 9/10ths original.

[pigboat]

CF-AAM, can't remember the type.

[evansb]

pigboat, Sorry, not CF-AAM, a classic in Canada's wilderness. Here is the overhead panel of the mystery ship:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/overhead.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I am sure this aircraft has a reverse slope windscreen, I thought it was the Boeing 247D at Seattle but found that not to be the case as I am sure this is a single engined aircraft. Therefore I will go with my other thought, it is the Vultee V-1A.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel is correct.:ok: The Vultee V-1A was aerodynamically advanced for its day, and the type participated in a few air races. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/VulteeV1Racer.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Bri, that was an interesting challenge. It was the slope of the windscreen that was the clue. I am sure this one will not last as long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz273.jpg
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Hotspur Mk III dual control military glider?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was not a glider.
Mel

[Kitbag]

The wicker seat has the whiff of the pre war Imperial Airways Middle East services and the front seat seems to have a British standard Blind Flying panel.

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was pre-war but not operated by Imperial Airways and it may possibly be a British standard Blind Flying panel. However the aircraft was not a British design.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Is this a 'boat'? It has that feel to it with the hull bowing out and the depth to the cockpit. Macchi, early/mid 30s, say the MC94?

[MReyn24050]

Surprisingly not a 'boat'? Not a Macchi, and it first flew mid 30s and as you say the cockpit did have depth.
Mel

[windriver]

Is the swivel seat in the left foreground the first pilot's seat?

[MReyn24050]

That is correct. It is the pilot's seat.
Mel

[evansb]

The Fokker F.22.

[Tiger_mate]

Even if it is not an F22, that one is added to my ever extending list of new types never before seen!
http://home.wanadoo.nl/jusnl/lauwers/f22-lapland.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Evansb is correct again.:ok:. It is the Fokker F.XXII
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/FokkerXXIIPH-AJO.jpg
The following is a précis from John Stroud’s book European Transport Aircraft since 1910 published by Putnam:-
In 1935 Fokker produced the F.XXII which was really a scaled-down F.XXXVI, with four 500hp Pratt and Whitney Wasp T1D1 engines and accommodation for 32 passengers in 4 cabins. In the wing were cargo holds between the engine nacelles. Apart from the prototype aircraft PH-AJP, two others were built PH-AJQ and PH-AJR and operated by KLM. PH-AJQ only lasted a few months before it crashed at Schipol. Another aircraft SE-ABA (the aircraft in Tiger_mate's photograph) was built for the Swedish company AB Aerotransport and operated with this airline until it was lost in an accident in June 1936. The two surviving aircraft were sold to British companies before the war. PH-AJR became G-AFXR and PH-AJP became G-AFZP. In November 1939 both were equipped as navigational trainers and operated from Prestwick by Scottish Aviation. Both aircraft were impressed into service in October 1941 and became HM 159 and HM 160. HM 159 bore the names Bronosaurus and Sylvia Scarlett and was lost in the West Loch Tarbert after catching fire in the air. HM 160 survived the war and was put into commercial operation by Scottish Aviation as G-AFZP. It operated some Prestwick to Belfast services but was withdrawn late in 1947 due to lack of spares and was finally broken up in 1952.
To provide the best possible view the pilot’s seats were on a raised platform, with the first pilot on the centreline and the second pilot further aft on the starboard side. The radio operator had a rearward facing seat at a lower level on the port side.
You have control Bri.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. The F.22 is quite a remarkable pre-W.W.II design.
Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3149264.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

B17 Flying Fortress?

[evansb]

Not a Boeing B-17.

[Tiger_mate]

4 Engined American aircraft that has been restored to airworthy condition and has Lockheed style seats.
US Primer is dark green whereas European primer is very light insipid green. Probably ex-military based upon overhead skylights and rugged robust appearance, and likely to be another addition to my "Never seen that one before" list.

Second thoughts, could be twin engined piston

[evansb]

It is U.S. built, and the cockpit photo is of the last flying example.

[windriver]

I can`t believe how difficult it is at times to work out how many engines these challenge aircraft have... This looks like a twin but having been so utterly wrong on so many occasions before my submission is ....

Consolidated PB4Y Privateer

[Kitbag]

PB4Y Privateer?

[oncemorealoft]

Is it a Fairchild C82 Flying Packet?

[MReyn24050]

Oncemorealoft has it it is the Fairchild C-82A Packet N9701F I believe.

[oncemorealoft]

Apologies but I don't have access to a picture. Anyone please feel free to post.

[evansb]

The sometimes three-engined Fairchild C-82 Packet was the precursor to the more successful C-119/R4Q Flying Boxcar. It first flew in 1944, and its aft situated clam-shell cargo doors were a boon to military and civilian operators alike. This example was seen in Brussels towards the end of her career in 1968.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/twc-82.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

On behalf of oncemorealoft
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/seats.jpg

[windriver]

Is/was this a production aircraft...US made perhaps? There's PA38 and Beechcraft Skipper in there... but this looks like it has a sliding canopy rather than doors... which was a Grumman thing.

Fishing for clues really...

[Tiger_mate]

A better clue perhaps:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/panel.jpg
this is a US Aircraft. There are a dozen still flying in the USA and a single example in europe. Until a few days ago, I had never heard of its existance, so it is a rare bird.

Not a PA38, Beechcraft Skipper or Grumman.

[windriver]

Is it a Breezer?

[Tiger_mate]

Not the Breezer, this one dates from the immediate post WWII years. It does not have a sliding canopy.

[windriver]

Back to the drawing board then.

It looks more seventies than forties. this one must have been modernised or customised judging by the look of the coaming and panelling around the trimmer??

[Tiger_mate]

The designer may just have been ahead of his time. I have researched the aircraft a little now, and it is based upon an earlier design dating back to 1937. Arguably (Sp?) this machine led to a succesfull family of monoplanes, many of which can still be seen all around the world. That this particular design was not more popular is as a result of postwar recession and no other reason. I am not back online until tomorrow am, but hopefully you now have somethingto get your teeth into. There are no examples of this on airliners.net which I know many here frequent.

[evansb]

An Emigh A-2 Trojan?

[MReyn24050]

I will go for the Culver V based on the 1937 Culver Cadet.
The Culver Cadet was the brainstorm of Al Mooney.Walter Beech was the Culver plant manager during it's inception,this explains why the Culver Cadet was one of the fastest airplanes in its catagory, the two-place Cadet was a favorite among sportsman pilots who demand extra speed and performance.
Mel

[kms901]

Looks like it is flown from the right hand seat ?

[Tiger_mate]

Mel has it:
Culver V or Mooney 17, and the European one is for sale on Ebay. Very unusual. They were considered by the USAF & USN as Drone aircraft. Two seat retractable undercarriage low wing monoplane.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/ef8d_3.jpg
The nearest aircraft would suggest that it was flown from the LH seat.
http://i18.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/a7/a1/1ca2_3.JPG

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Tiger_mate. That was a very interesting challenge and took some digging. The aircraft itself was fascinating, it must have been an odd method of gaining entry via a forward hinging windscreen, certainly not good for the recent weather we have been experiencing here in Notts and Yorhshire.
Next challenge, not as challenging as yours I am sure.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz231.jpg

[Kitbag]

It looks like a modernised rear seat of something much older- brake lever? on the well worn stick, rest of cockpit is clean and barely used. How about a refurbished Harvard/Texan?

[MReyn24050]

Similar type but not the Harvard or Texan.
Mel

[pigboat]

NA-64 Yale?

[Tiger_mate]

Australian Wirraway?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was not built in either the USA or Australia
Mel

[evansb]

Morane-Saulnier MS.470-series Vanneau?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Bri, not the Morane-Saulnier MS.470-series Vanneau.
Mel

[Akubra]

It looks like the back cockpit of a Russian trainer. Yak sprung to mind, but the 52 is different.
Am I close?

[the incivil beast]

Yak-18 maybe ?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft is not from the Yak stable. Akubra you are correct it is the rear cockpit.
Mel

[the incivil beast]

Polish PZL TS-8 Bies ?

[MReyn24050]

Hi "the incivil beast" welcome to the thread, only two posts and he has the right answer :D:ok:. It is indeed the PZL TS-8 Bies.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/PZL-MielecTS-8Bies.jpg
You have control, i.e. you post the next challenge.
Mel

[the incivil beast]

dziękuję bardzo, pane mel

One thunk tis a long time we haven't had a glider in here

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit317.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Wy jesteście najwięcej powitanie. My Polish is any thing but good. The challenge looks interesting I know that we have many gliding enthusiasts who follow this thread.
Mel

[evansb]

Es ist ein Schulsegeflugzeug Grunau Baby IIb, ja?

[larssnowpharter]

Sembra a me che evansb ha ragione. Un esempio ben ristorato anche! :D

[the incivil beast]

evansb ha raggione ! Es ist sicher ein Grunau Baby IIb
Probably the most popular glider built before WWII (thousands) and after, in many countries.
Not exactly a high performance sailplane (max L/D=17), but a nice little one :)
Some more info (http://www.aviation-history.com/garber/vg-bldg/grunau_baby-1_f.html)
Incidentally, one has logged close to 3 hours on the french version (Nord 1300) in the early eighties

evansb has control

[MReyn24050]

Interesting aircraft more information here.:)
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Grunau-Baby/grunau.php
Mel

[evansb]

Here is the next What Cockpit?:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/naziStuff.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks like a 4/5 seater, twin engined executive aircraft,USA, possibly early 1950s, tricycle U/C. Stab in the dark Baumann B-250 or 290 Brigadier.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, Meets all requirements except it is from the late 1950s, and sorry, it is not a Baumann.

[MReyn24050]

Mooney Mark 22 perhaps?

[evansb]

Sorry Mel, not a Mooney, nor a Falcon B-290 Brigadier.

[pigboat]

Twin Navion?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Twin Navion. This aircraft is a one-off, and although it was a good performer, it failed to find a market.

[puddinghead]

A Cessna 407 perhaps?

[Kitbag]

'Cessna Aircraft Company entered the military utility aircraft market with a four-place jet, unveiled at closed showing to military officials on September 28, 1959.
The aircraft, designated the Model 407, was a sleek, low-wing, pressurized jet. "It is designed to fulfill military needs for a multi-mission, low-cost jet," according to Dwane L. Wallace, Cessna President at the time.'
A quick Google on PH's suggestion shows the above blurb (plus quite a bit more- interesting reading) and a copy of the cockpit pic is also on the same site.:D

[evansb]

puddinghead is correct:ok: Based on the massed produced T-37 trainer, the 407 was perhaps 5 years ahead of its time. Over to you.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/cessna407e.jpg

[puddinghead]

Thanks Evansb. It's a shame they only made one - it looked alright to me.

Here's my challenge - http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/BluebirdXIV/WhatCockpitPH1.jpg

[Akubra]

B-45? Tornado

[oncemorealoft]

Myasishev M-4?

[MReyn24050]

Akubra
Hope you have got one ready?
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

& if hes wrong, B47 Stratojet?

[puddinghead]

Akubra's right!
Well done.
The B45 Tornado.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/BluebirdXIV/B45Tornado.jpg
Over to you
PH

[Akubra]

Thanks.
Here's the next one.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp65434.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Interesting Cockpit windscreen formation. Flettner Fi 282V3 perhaps?

[wz662]

Looks more like the Fl 282 V12 to me

[Akubra]

From the man who invented the trim tab in WW1 and several other ground breaking achievements, Mel is correct first, A FI 282. This version is unidentified and could have been either an V3 or 12.

http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/flettner_kolibri.php

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that Akubra. Here is a nice easy one for the nightshift, well that is of course if you are in Europe.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz274.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Breguet 19 super bidon "Point d'interrogation".

[LowNSlow]

Is it the Breguet XIX Superbidon?

Damn, pipped whilst checking!!! :D

[evansb]

LowNSlow, as I've posted a number of cockpit photos lately, please feel free to post a photo if you have one available. :)

[MReyn24050]

It is indeed the Breguet XIX.:D:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Breguet19.jpg
So LowNSlow or evansb have control.

[LowNSlow]

Evansb you take it please as I don't have any pics available

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. That one lasted for quite a while and was a very good challenge. :ok: I doubt if this one will last an hour..
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3178204.jpg

[wz662]

Supermarine S6

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Supermarine S6. Aircraft is not a British design.

[MReyn24050]

Russian perchance?

[evansb]

Mel, sorry, not Russian. The photo is grainy, but it is the only example I could find of the type. To my knowledge, it has not been posted before.

[MReyn24050]

No problem. If not Russian, Italian perhaps,possibly a Breda, however we have had the Ba.27, so possibly the Ba.25?

[evansb]

Mel, not a Breda Ba.27, but it is Italian.

[MReyn24050]

Well if not a Breda then perhaps a Caproni AP.1 or an Ansaldo A-120?

[evansb]

Sorry Mel, not a Caproni AP.1, nor an Ansaldo A-120.

[MReyn24050]

Interesting, the aircraft looks to be of all-metal construction. Possibly early to mid 1930s. Italian so I will try the Fiat CR.20.

[evansb]

Not a Fiat CR.20, but the aircraft was built in the early 1930s, and was of unique construction, with the fuselage partly metal to the cockpit and wood monocoque bolted to the front tubular portion by four bolts. The wing was all-metal.

[larssnowpharter]

Might it be the IMAM Ro 37 or one of the variants thereof?

[MReyn24050]

with the fuselage partly metal to the cockpit and wood monocoque bolted to the front tubular portion by four bolts. The wing was all-metal.
An aircraft that fits that description is the Macchi M.C.72. So I will go for that aircraft. The Macchi M.C.72.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, your are correct.:ok: It is the Macchi-Castoldi MC.72, capable of 709 km/h it was the holder of the world's absolute speed record from 1933 until 1939, and was the world's fastest seaplane until 1961. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Macchi-Castoldi.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, that was an interesting challenge, this one will be a lot simpler.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz275.jpg
Mel

[windriver]

Ultralight.. Thirties... Not British?

[MReyn24050]

sorry for the delay. To answer Windriver's question, it was not British, however not considered to be an ultralight in that sense. This one first flew late 1940s.
Mel

[windriver]

I`m guessing it's not a glider or motorglider, but looking at the levers on the left could it be this aircraft has a high mounted or rear mounted engine?

Also the canopy appears to be forward hinged..

[MReyn24050]

windriver you wrote:- I`m guessing it's not a glider or motorglider, but looking at the levers on the left could it be this aircraft has a high mounted or rear mounted engine?
Also the canopy appears to be forward hinged..
This aircraft does have an association with a glider so it could be described as a motorglider. the engine was mounted above the fuselage behind the cockpit. The canopy detached I believe.
Mel

[the incivil beast]

Schneider/Grünau Motor-Baby :) maybe ?

[MReyn24050]

the incivil beast. Sorry not the Schneider/Grünau Motor-Baby.
Mel

[windriver]

Did/Does the engine retract in flight?

[MReyn24050]

Windriver - No the engine is a permanent fit. It could be shut down in flight to take advantage of thermals and safe fuel.
Mel

[evansb]

Fouga CM.8 Sylphe (Cyclone).

[MReyn24050]

Sorry windriver,after all your hard work evansb comes up with the answer. It is the Fouga CM.8 Sylphe (Cyclone).
The C.M. 8R-13 Cyclone is a jet-powered version of C.M. 8-13 Sailplane. The C.M. 8R-13 had been intended to serve as a test-bed for the Turboméca Piméné light axial-flow turbo-jet engine which has a maximum static thrust of 100 kg. (220 lb.). I hope my replies to your theories did not led you off at a tangent.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/foug_cyclone_18.jpg
Bri you have control, with that answer you have just passed cringe's score.:ok::D
Mel

[evansb]

Thank you Mel. It is indeed an honour to be in the league of a Ppruner as cringe. Here is the next What Cockpit?http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/cringe.jpg