What Cockpit? MK V

[Speedpig]

Aviatik Berg D.1?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Aviatik Berg D.1 I am sorry to say. This aircraft first flew mid 1930s.

[MReyn24050]

Not a great number of these aircraft were built. It is believed one still flies today.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

To recap. This aircraft was built by a German firm, mid 1930s, it was not built in great numbers and at least one was still flying last year.
The company that built it went on to build many other aircraft designed by other manufacturers.
Mel

[evansb]

Bucker Bu.180 Student?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Bucker Bu.180 Student, this particular aircraft was a single seater. Mel

[MReyn24050]

The aircraft reported to be still in existence has an unusual registration.
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Come on cringe !

Where are you when we need you ?

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Hi Clint
Did not think it would prove this difficult. One further clue, as stated above, the Company that built this little aircraft went on to build many aircraft for other manufacturers amongst which was a famous WWII fighter.
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Are we talking Antony Fokker here ?

C.

[evansb]

The Bucker Bu 182C Kornett?

[MReyn24050]

Clint and Bri. Sorry not one of Antony Fokker's nor one of Herr Bucker's aircraft either.
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Or Willy Messerschmitt ?

The Me M-17 ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Clint not a Messerschmitt either.

[evansb]

Fieseler F5?

[MReyn24050]

Not an aircraft from Fieseler, but similar to the F5 but this one was a single seater.
Mel

[treadigraph]

Arado AR-80?

[MReyn24050]

treadigraph
This aircraft was not built by Arado. This aircraft was classed as a trainer and was said to be aerobatic.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was built by a German firm, mid 1930s, it was not built in great numbers and at least one was still flying last year may be still airworthy today.
Not built by:-
Arado
Aviatik Berg
Bucker
Fiesler
Fokker
Klemm
Messerschmitt
This aircraft was classed as a light trainer and said to be aerobatic.
The company that built it went on to build many other aircraft designed by other manufacturers. One of which was a leading WWII Fighter Aircraft.
The aircraft still in existence has an unusual registration.
Mel

[evansb]

Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm & Voss)Ha 136?

[MReyn24050]

Brian
Not Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm & Voss)Ha 136. Sorry You are struggling on this one.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Daimler L 20 b

although Junkers also made a similar aircraft, I'll try the Daimler.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Daimler L 20 b or a Junkers Aircraft. The Daimler was 10 years (1924) earlier than this little bird.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

This Focke-Wulf Fw 44-J gets the interesting reg tick, but as a 2 seater, I guess it isnt what we are looking for.

http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/database/aircraft/showimage.php?id=5866

There must be a replica 109 owner that would like that reg.

[MReyn24050]

As you say that is not the one and would be a good registration for an Me109. I am sure the registration on the subject aircraft raises a few smiles when it is seen for the first time.
Mel

[EODFelix]

Heinkel 71

[MReyn24050]

Welcome to the thread. Sorry it was not made by Heinkel either I am afraid.
Mel

[EODFelix]

OK will try the Klemm 35

[MReyn24050]

EODFelix, apologies I left Klemm off the list when I recapped at Post # 769. On-MarkBob had previously suggested the Klemm 35 at Post #749.
Mel

[EODFelix]

Well although better known for Panzer manufacture - hwo about Henschel? Specifically the HS-125, built 1934 and a single seat open cockpit monoplane I believe

[MReyn24050]

You are correct in your statement that Henschel produced the HS-125, in 1934 and it was a single seat open cockpit monoplane. However they only built the aircraft in prototype form.

The subject aircraft was not built by Henschel. As stated at Post #769 the company only produced 20+ aircraft of this type. A later model of the aircraft went on to break a distance record before WWII.

[MReyn24050]

This one seems to be causing a problem. So another clue, the company that built this little aircraft is reported to have built some 11,000 BF 109 between 1937 to 1945.

[Tiger_mate]

BF 109 sub-contactors:

Ago, Arado, Erla and WNF

Of which only Arado are on the 'No' list

Erla 5 HB-SEX!!

http://www.veterano.ch/images/flugzeugdok/erla_3seiten_seite.jpg
If its right, does anybody want to take the next one, I prefer the chase:O

[MReyn24050]

:D Great,it certainly is the Erla 5a now Swiss Registered HB-SEX. :ok:
You have control.

MelErla Maschinenwerk GmbH Leipzig in 1934 developed a program to produce light airplanes and created the 5A and 5D aircraft.
Erla produced the V in 1932 and it’s suitability for aerobatics led the Erla 5a and then developed the Erla 5 D with 50 an HP Zuendapp engine. The Erla 5 D was similar to the 5a but with a better engine. In August 1939 Heinz Gabler broke the long-distance world record in the 2-Liter-Class with a Erla 5 D on a flight of over 1909,833 km from Friedichshafen at the Bodensee to Vaennaes in the north of Sweden.


Erla also won some production orders for license built aircraft.
The following formed their schedule of work:
1935 - 24 Arado Ar65,
1936 - 80 Heinkel He 51,
1937 - 76 Arado Ar 68,
1937 - 106 Go 145,
1941 - 223 DFS 230,
1940 to 1943 - BF110 wings,
1937 to 1945 approx.. 11,000 BF 109;

[Tiger_mate]

Interestingly the cockpit appears to have an additional 'instrument' on it now that isnt present on the 'donor' image. The vertical white panel under the turn and slip just right of centre, low on the panel.
http://www.veterano.ch/images/flugzeugdok/erla_3seiten_cockpit.jpg
I dont know if a wildcard is playing the game, but if anybody wants a go, take it away, otherwise I will post one tomorrow (Sat) am.

I never would have got this in a month of sundays without the clues. I have never even heard of the company before.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for the later photograph, the one I published was taken in 1980, hence the change. I am sure that we could wait for your challenge tomorrow.
I will admit until a few weeks ago I too had never heard of ERLA, that is the beauty of PPRuNe even the old and bold like myself learn something new every day.
Mel

[evansb]

Erla 6a

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/2_1.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

No volunteers, so here is one that is slightly differant from those of late.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/cpit.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Saab J-29 Tunnan ?

Clint.

[Tiger_mate]

Not a J29.......sorry

[MReyn24050]

SAAB Draken perhaps?

[Tiger_mate]

Mel has it (again)

Saab Draken at the Austrian Aviation Museum.

"You have control"

[MReyn24050]

One for the night shift.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz239.jpg
Mel

[682al]

I'll dip my toes after a long absence to offer the Heinkel 162.

And because I'm confident in my answer, but also likely to be away from the 'puter for a large part of the day, I'll post the next one...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/KreedKafer1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Great to see you back. As you so rightly say it is the Heinkel He.162 Salamander :ok: :D

[stevef]

As an aside, I was heavily involved in the restoration of He162 Werke Nummer 120227 at RAF Colerne in the early seventies. Most of the instruments and the spring ejector seat were missing but amazingly, the MG151 20mm canons were still installed complete with firing pins! The armament section made them safe pdq - what a gift they would have made for a certain terrorist organisation active at that time.
A very interesting aircraft - twelve weeks between design and first flight!

[MReyn24050]

I will take a wild guess that it is the cockpit of a Hawker Fury. The stick is similar to that fitted to the Hawker F20/27.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

I have to say that I find the gunsight and lack of trigger a puzzle, and there are similarities with the Tempest. I will offer a wild guess of a Boulton Paul Defiant. As I believe it to be single engined (primer pump lower right) fighter, without a trigger. Vintage? early war years.

[MReyn24050]

Surely the triggers are the two levers in the centre of the control yoke. Hence my stab at early thirties. I am certain it is not the Defiant. See What Cockpit I page 98 Post #1948 682al posted the Defiant then.
Mel

[682al]

Sorry, not Fury, and as Mel has already stated, the Defiant was done a while (it seems like years!) ago.

The spade grip is, however, from the Fury era but I think this type survived a while longer than the Hawker.

[evansb]

Blackburn Shark II, of RCAF 122 Sqd. Pat. Bay, B.C.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/shark.jpg

[682al]

Well done evansvb, over to you!

[evansb]

Thanks! I enjoyed the hunt. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/number23-1.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

A mock up, and a pretty poor one at that. Unless it is for MS Flightsim in which it is a fair effort.

[evansb]

It is a real aircraft. Main gear wheel detail:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Tire.jpg

[aviate1138]

Is it a Canadian Kit built aircraft? Neat mud/snow scrapers.
Aviate 1138

[evansb]

Not Canadian kit-built. Aircraft is certified FAA FAR 23,
and Production Certified in 2003. Centre spar section:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/HPIM0480.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Intriguing. Seat rails before the main spar but not a great deal of space between the main spar and the rear spar and bulkhead yet a cabin window either side. I understand it is a twin engined aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

How about the Angel, as built by the Angel Aviation Corporation.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/InFlight44KE.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Spot on Mel!:ok: Well done!:D The Angel is an improvement on the Evangel twin of the late 1950s it is intended to replace. Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one. I am sure it hasn't been done before, if it has I missed it.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz240.jpg
Mel

[stevef]

I suppose the HP115 is way off mark?

[MReyn24050]

It is not the HP115. Depending which way one looks at it, one could say that you are not way off mark.
Mel

[jabberwok]

Maybe reading too much into your cryptic answer but I'll have a stab at the Short SB5..

[Tiger_mate]

Bristol 188

[MReyn24050]

jabberwok.
Not the Short SB5.I apologise if cryptic answer led you astray. I was refering to it being an experimental/test vehicle aircraft.

Tiger_mate
Not the Bristol 188 either.

Mel

[paulc]

Fairey FD2

[MReyn24050]

So close, but this is not the cockpit of the Fairey FD.2
Mel

[India Four Two]

So closeBAC 221? Or is that too close?

[MReyn24050]

It is the cockpit of the Bristol 211. Many will say that the Bristol 221 and the Fairery F.D.2 were the same aircraft, well to a certain extent they were. However, being really pedantic, the Fairey F.D.2 WG774 was redesigned at Filton in 1960 with a lengthened body, by 1.8m, a slender ogee wing. New instrumentation was installed. It first flew in its rebuilt form on the 1st May 1964.

So, pedantically speaking, you have control, although should you wish paulc can take it as the subject aircraft kept it's registration WG774.

[India Four Two]

I would hate to be thought pedantic :) and more importantly I don't have any suitable cockpit photos, so paulc has control.

I was wondering what the instrument above the coaming is for?

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that. As regards those instruments, I, like you, would also like to know. Hopefully, someone can enlighten us.
Mel

[jabberwok]

Not the Short SB5.I apologise if cryptic answer led you astray. I was refering to it being an experimental/test vehicle aircraft.

Which the SB5 was (wing sweep test bed for the Lightning) hence my reply. ;)

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/xplane/sb5-i.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Sorry, yes I totally agree the SB5 was an experimental aircraft. I really must think out my responses before touching the keypad.
Mel

[paulc]

no suitable pics to hand so can somebody else post one - very surprised to get one almost right

[India Four Two]

I've found one so I'll take back control. It shouldn't last long. It's an aircraft I've spent many hours in, but I've never seen one this well equipped!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/cockpit.jpg

[evansb]

Is it an American Champ 8-GCBC?

[India Four Two]

That's the one, although I know it as the Bellanca Scout. The Scouts I used to fly are not far from you at Black Diamond (CEH2).

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/scout.jpg

Over to you.

[evansb]

If you ever towed the gliders to Cowley, I may have talked to you on 126.7, plus I may have issued the soaring NOTAM to activate the airspace. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/check6.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Bri
Please check your PMs.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Clues? Twin jet engined executive aircraft 1960s?
Mel

[evansb]

Yes, Mel, I was just about to post some clues. Yes it is a
U.S. designed executive jet of the 1960s. :ok:
(The one in the photo was built in the 1970s.)

[Tiger_mate]

Rockwell Sabreliner?

[evansb]

Sorry for the delay in responding. No, it isn't the Sabreliner, but it is of the genre and era.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/01254704.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

Aero Commander 1121 Jet Commander or Westwind as they now are?

So certain am I that this is correct, I shall be cheeky and insert the next one.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/dakota.jpg

This should be a challenge, but knowing you guys (and girls) it will probably last 10 mins!

[MReyn24050]

I'll take the first stab and say Avro Lancaster, but then the levers behind the yoke are not typical of the Lancaster or the Lincoln. I will say perhaps an Avro Tudor or York and if I can have another choice an early Mk Shackleton.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Well at least it lasted 5 hours!! Your right, it is one of those:}

...........and whilst I could ask which one; it is the Avro York as seen from the decking above the machine at the Cold War Museum Cosford. The silver framework along the top was the principle clue there. Well done, you must have an intimate knowledge of Avro cockpits. :D

evansb is yet to confirm the Jet Commander but I guess that yet again, Mel has control. :ok:

[DaveO'Leary]

I know you guys/gals are the tops. I've searched and searched for a cockpit photo to flumux you (you always win) Think I've found one????
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/TSR2.jpg
Dave

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that, regarding your solution of evansb challenge I can tell you that you were correct in that it was a Westwind Jet Commander. As regards knowing Avro Control yokes I know that the yoke was similar to the Lancaster and Lincoln but the levers in front of the yoke were different, whereas the later Shackleton had similar levers but a different control joke.

Dave O'Leary

It is the norm to win a challenge before submitting one. However we will stick with yours know.
Mel

[evansb]

You are correct, it was an early IAI Westwind 1123.

[MReyn24050]

How about the Lavochkin LA-7?

Mel

[Akubra]

Get you photo ready Mel. :)
The pilot who flew that LA-7 was the Ace pilot I.N.Kozhedub.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for your confidence, I too am 100% certain it is the Lavochkin La.7. So here is the next challenge.:) Back in time again I am afraid.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz241.jpg

[Wodrick]

Post 839
grandmother and eggs
those levers are probably the parking brake, some Viscounts had them.

[MReyn24050]

Plenty of viewers but no takers. Do not be put off my not having another challenge to put up, I am sure there are plenty who wish to post.
This one is not too difficult it flew 1930s.

Mel

[Woods]

Early model Heinkel He-111c,first used as transport.

[MReyn24050]

Welcome to the thread it is indeed a Heinkel 111:ok::D .
However not the He 111C but the He 111E or the F. but the main difference being on the 111C there was a radio rack on the starboard side where the aperture is on the 111E.
Should you wish to post a challenge a list, complied by cringe, of aircraft presented up to 17th December 2006 can be found at Post#352 on Page 18.The following is a list of aircraft presented since this date:-
McDonnell XP-67
Siai Machetti SM1019
Aeromacchi AL-60 B2L
Potez 60
Mitsubishi MU-2L
Wright Flyer
Grumman Duck
Lavochkin Lagg-3
Short Sarafand
Arkangelski Ar2
Bellanca 66-75 Aircruiser
CH-3 Jolly Green Giant
Lockheed YO3-A
Boeing Model 377 Stratocruiser
Cessna T-37 Tweet
Ryan NYP
B-52D
FU-24 Fletcher
JU87 Stuka
Lockheed Cheyenne AH-56A
XZ-135 helicopter
Partenavia P68
Curtiss P40 Warhawk
Me 264
Breda Ba.27
Soko 522
Caproni Ca-100
IAR AG-6
Transair PL-12 Airtruk
Beriev Be-12
Temco YT-35 Buckaroo
Dornier Do-27
Miles M.57 Aerovan
Aero Commander Lark 100-180
Aviatik D-1
Bristol 171 Sycamore Mk 52
Fokker 10A
Douglas C124 Globemaster II
Druine D31 Turbulent
Valmet Vihuri
Fouga Magister
Hiller X-18
Piaggio P.149D
Embraer 110 Bandeirante
Lockheed T-33
Messerschmitt M.20
Neiva 612 Universal (T-25)
FMA I.Ae33 Pulqui II
UTVA Aero-3
Curtiss Eagle
Curtiss B2
Monocoupe 110
Boeing T-45A Goshawk
Focke Wulf FW-44 Stieglitz
Avro CF-105 Arrow
Bucker Bu.181 Bestmann
Bristol 171 Sycamore
Erla 5A
Saab Draken
Heinlel He162 Salamander
Blackburn Shark II
Angel -Angel Aviation Corp
Bristol 221
American Champion 8-GCBC
IAI Westwind 1123
Avro York
Lavochkin La.7
Heinkel 111E
You have control
Mel

[con-pilot]

Just a bit of thread drift here.

The IAI-1123 was a Commodore Jet, not a Westwind. I flew a couple of 1123s many years past. That aircraft was badly underpowered. On one of them with full fuel the FO could not weight more than 87 pounds, or we would over-gross before adding a single passenger or a bag.

I heard that the 1123 was originally designed to have General Electric CF-700 engines with 4700 pounds of thrust, however, as IAI was building the first 1123 it was decided to put the CJ-610 back on the 1123 and wait for the then new TFE-731 and rename the aircraft.

IAI and Atlantic Aviation, the US distributor for IAI, had a contest for the new name, of course the wining name was 'Westwind'.

[DaveO'Leary]

MReyn24050/et al
Sorry about jumping in on the the posts with my pic. Fact is I'm hopeless with a/c id. My only fun is to test you guys/gals. Yes the pic was a view of the LA-7 Your all too dam good on id. I'll get you all one day on a pic.

I'll be back. Best page on Pprune.
My best regards to all
Dave

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that. Might I suggest that next time you have a challenge you wait until a winner hasn't got a challenge and offers it up to anyone.
Mel

[Woods]

I have to pass this time, I'm too new to know the rules, I should have stayed out for now. I regret any delay this causes and I will look up the previous posts. Thanks.:ugh:

[MReyn24050]

Please do not apologise and by no means stay out of the thread. Everyone is welcome and if you are unable to post a challenge there is always someone who can post for you. Ladies and Gentlemen the floor is open, perhaps Dave O'Leary has another one for us :)

[DaveO'Leary]

MReyn
I'm working on one now dear boy. Clue??? Chinese circa 70s

Dave

[MReyn24050]

Well why we await Dave O'Leary here is one that I am sure will cause no problems.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz242.jpg

Mel

[MReyn24050]

Many viewers since publication but no takers. This one flew late 1950s.
Mel

[India Four Two]

American ? (Altimeter and ejection seat handles).

[MReyn24050]

This one was not American, yes it had an ejection seat.

[Tiger_mate]

I think that it is French:

Probably Dassault

Not a Mirage, so go for a Mystere or Ouragon

[MReyn24050]

Oui, il est la France. But not from Dassault.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Is it the bicycle u/c Vautour?, manufactured by Sud Aviation?

[Tiger_mate]

It is a Vautour
http://aerostories.free.fr/reaction/Vautour.jpg

[MReyn24050]

:ok: :D It is indeed the Sud-Ouest Vautour II. Kitbag beat you to it Tiger_mate by just 2 minutes. So Kitbag you have control.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Kitbag beat you to it Tiger_mate by just 2 minutes
That'll teach me to go looking for a photograph also!!!
I think it is important though to put a 'face' on the cockpit as it were. That was a good challenge, and 'Non Fumer' gave it away as French. However I also thought the plan view bottom left referred to weapons, and I now believe it to be undercarriage.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that. I understand what you mean about putting a face to the aircraft. Here is another a photograph of the cockpit of another Vautour.
http://nl.airliners.net/photos/middle/4/4/1/0714144.jpg

[Kitbag]

Can I decline at the moment, no scanner and far from home, perhaps Tiger Mate has something up his sleeve?

[evansb]

While awaiting your respective cockpit photos, here is one from the vault:
Here are better photos..

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/rocket.jpg



http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/0232301.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

Russian?
Rocket propelled?

Lots of instruments but no apparent throttle. Considered a helicopter but opting for a rocket. They experimented with rocket propelled sailplanes, could this be one?

[evansb]

Sorry, not Russian, just an old photo from Russia.
Aircraft is piston engined.

[pigboat]

The Calcutta "Black Hole?" ;)

[evansb]

You're right, the photo is a bit dark.:) I've replaced the old with two better photos.

[aviate1138]

Is it from the Miles stable?

Aviate 1138

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Miles.

[MReyn24050]

Lokking at your second photograph the areas port and starboard of the central instrument panel look as though they are positions for machine guns. The aircraft looks 1930ish and I believe judging by the russian printing it is a russian aircraft so I will go for the Polikarpov I-3 which carried a pair of synchronised forward firing 7.62 mm Vickers or PV-1 machine guns.

Mel

[evansb]

Mel, Yes, the aircraft is a mid-1930s design, and does indeed have twin forward firing sync. machine guns. Alas, the aircraft is not Russian.
Just under 600 were built.

[aviate1138]

Don't you just love the MReyn24050 v. evansb sparring! Those two guys know more about cockpits than any Aviation "Expert" :)
Please don't stop!
Aviate 1138

[MReyn24050]

I'll have another stab. How about the Avia B.534 or 634?
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, sorry, it is not an Avia, but it is of similar configuration to the B.534. The Russian cyrillic word stamped in the upper-left corner of the first photo roughly translates to "SECRETNO".

[MReyn24050]

Hi Bri
Interesting you state "the Russian cyrillic word stamped in the upper-left corner of the first photo roughly translates to "SECRETNO"." Yet you say it is not a russian aircraft am I corrrect in assuming that the document containing the photographs was marked secret as it had been obtained by their intelligence service.

You also state "it is of similar configuration to the B.534" so I will go for a version of the Arado Ar 68.

Mel

[evansb]

Mel, the aircraft is not German, or Czech. I have tripled-checked the latest "What cockpit" list for past cockpits, and this one has not been posted before. You are probably correct regarding the Russian/Soviet
Intelligence markings on the photo.
Regards, Bri

[MReyn24050]

Hi Bri
You say that you have triple-checked the latest list and are sure it hasn't been posted before. At Page 14 Post #277 cringe posted a photograph of the IMAM RO.37 cockpit and then posted a photograph of the IMAM RO.37bis aircraft. This cockpit looks a little similar. It wouldn't be the IMAM RO.37 by any chance, which was an inline engine aircraft compared to the radial version the RO.37bis.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, Sorry, the aircraft is not of Italian origin. The aircraft does indeed have an in-line engine.
Here is some detail of the port "N" strut:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/admiral.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Hi Bri
Still plugging away here. Recap:-
Not Russian, Czech,German,Italian.
Biplane
Inline piston engine
Twin sychronised machine guns above engine.
First flown 1935
600 approx built.
OK, I will go write across the other side of the world and say it is the Kawasaki Ki-10
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/ki10-7.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Spot on, Mel.:ok: The Ki-10 "Perry" in thread#866, (also known as the Type 95 fighter), may have been captured by Russian-Mongol forces during the Nomonhan Incident, (Battle of Khulkhin Gol), the Soviet-Japan border war of 1939.

Photos courtesy of George Mellinger. Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that Bri. It was a great challenge and it was interesting to discover the many aircraft that fell into that category. I am sure this one will cause no problems.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz243.jpg
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Again many viewers since this one was posted but no takers. This aircraft first flew end of 1930s.
Mel

[evansb]

The Reggiane Re 2000 Falco I.

[MReyn24050]

You are correct sir :D :ok: You have control.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/re2000-11.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/whatisit.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Very interesting, a great deal more modern than we have had of late. I see it has its own ignition key. I hope it will encourage more thread followers to have a crack at solving the challenge.Is that windows XP :) ?

[pigboat]

Found Bush Hawk?

[evansb]

You are correct:ok: Well done, and fast too..:D You have control.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Bush-HawkXPamphib.jpg

[India Four Two]

I see it has its own ignition key

And since it is a float plane, it also has the indispensible nautical "floating" key fob :O

[evansb]

While awaiting a challenge from pigboat, does anyone else have a cockpit photo ready to post?

[Tiger_mate]

http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/OhNo.jpg
1545hrs today, west of Hawarden in N Wales. Not very high!

[MReyn24050]

One of the Defence Helicopter Flying School's AS-350 Squirrels perhaps?
Mel

[dakkg651]

Close Meryn but try the other DHFS cab.

[MReyn24050]

In that case it must be the Bell 412EP Griffin HT1.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

dakkg651 Why so shy? Like to watch, but not to play? My mum warned me about people like you

This makes a change! Mel has control.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/OhNox.jpg
Bell Griffin HT1

[MReyn24050]

dakkg651 certainly takes the honour for that one. dakkg651 if the reason that you did not claim it, is because you haven't a challenge to post just offer it up to others who may well have.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Mel: There are a few clues there to convince me that I know who the cuprit is, and if so, this was no challenge to him. (and hence the 'friendly' banter) 'Tis a pity he didnt let it run for a while though.

Perhaps 'Pigboat' may have a challenge as the Griffin was only a fill in.

dak; do you have a hunter in the office?

[dakkg651]

Tigermate.

The b*****y cleaner broke it.

Sorry about the prompt but Mel doesn't get many wrong.

Next time you're across, perhaps you can show me how to get my system to post pictures here. My photo of Thunderbird 2's instrument panel is ready and waiting.

[MReyn24050]

It is very easy to post a picture if you use photobucket or one of the other websites all you need to do is copy the photograph properties and paste it when you complete the reply box here.
Mel

[dakkg651]

Thanks Chaps.

Will test procedure if I ever get another one right.

[Akubra]

Heres an interesting one to keep the ball rolling.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/GalapagosDuck.jpg (http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/GalapagosDuck.jpg)

[Tiger_mate]

Antonov AN2?

[MReyn24050]

Check your PMs

Mel

[Akubra]

Tiger_mate, Very close. AN-2 has been posted a while back.

MReyn24050, Checked. ;)

Off to work folks, will check back later.

[Tiger_mate]

SAMC Y-5 / PZL or other variation of the AN-2

Hope that we are not being over pedantic here.

[DaveO'Leary]

It's the AN-3......http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/dazdaz1/Focker27.jpg

[Akubra]

DaveO'Leary has it. AN-3 is what it's called.

[MReyn24050]

No sign of David O'Leary's challenge so here is an easy one for a Friday.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz245.jpg
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Next:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/elsewhere.jpg

[MReyn24050]

:ok: That is what I like to see confidence:D . It certainly was the Bristol 188
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Please check your PMs.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Mel

Got your email :ok:

I chose this image because it has 'dislocation of expectation' within, which we can discuss once somebody has got it right.

Clue: Not American or Russian, so now narrowed down to...erh...the whole world! This particular example is French, and I have seen the same with alternative panels though not too disimilar. Reg: F-.....

[Mr_Grubby]

Is it Swiss ??

C.

[Tiger_mate]

I think you need to be more specific, but I have it on good authority that there are many examples of this in Switzerland. There is instrumentation there for you to be exact if you look closely. Reg: F-G...

[evansb]

Pilatus PC-6 Turbo Porter?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/AussieArmyPorter.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

F-GIXX
http://www.pc-6.com/history/564-fgixx6.jpg
PC-6/B-H2 Fairchild Hiller Corp.
prototype PC-6/B-H2, ff 2.5.64
EvansB has control; Well done :D

The dislocation of expectation bit was because it appears to have two throttles, but in fact only has one.

[evansb]

Thanks mate!:ok: The research was splendid! The "dis..of ex.." is compounded in this design because the curvature of the primary panel is not carried through to the starboard (non-flying) panel. It is a question of asymetrics, no? Also, the left and right ignition switches fool the novice into thinking the aircraft has two engines.

For your Saint Patrick's day pleasure, the following "What cockpit?"..
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/992323.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks like a Rotary Winged aircraft and fairly early. Perhaps the VZLU HC-2 / HC-102 "Heli Baby".

Mel

[evansb]

Mel, Sorry, not the Czech HC-102. Same size and era though..

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri. How about the Bolkow Bo-102 or 103?

Mel

[evansb]

Mel, it is not a Bolkow, though I can see the similarity. The mystery helicopter achieved a few "firsts" .
Regards, Bri

[Tiger_mate]

Hiller Hornet

......at Fantasy of Flight FL

...and I have a beut for the next one.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/dazzler.jpg

[evansb]

Spot on, Tiger_mate!:ok: The Hiller YH-32/HJ-1/HOE-1
Hornet was the first production ram-jet powered helicopter,(McDonnell's XH-20 "Little Henry" was the first ram-jet powered helicopter), first fiberglass fuselage, first "gun-ship" helicopter platform, (nick-named "Sally Rand"), and perhaps the first helicopter to use all-metal rotors.
Also, the prototype did not have a tail-rotor. A rudder was attached latter, then replaced by elevators. The collective lever was moved side-to-side to control yaw. A tail-rotor was ultimately added.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Hiller20Hornet.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks like one of Tommy Sopwith's creations. The Sopwith Dolphin perhaps?
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Looks like one of Tommy Sopwith's creations. The Sopwith Dolphin perhaps?
Mel

As seen today in the RAFM restoration centre at Cosford.

Mel has it (again)

[MReyn24050]

Yes, sorry about that. I had a feeling it was a Sopwith but was not sure.However, I thought it was the one from the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome collection.
Well keeping in the past I am sure this one will be no problem
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz246.jpg
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Gotha IV

IWM have the same labled as a Gotha V

Does anybody else want a go? Open house

[MReyn24050]

:ok: :D Well done 10 mins, I did say it wouldn't take long. I found the photograph on a website when researching your last challenge, I was not aware it was on the IWM website. It was listed as "Gotha G.IV Cockpit and Nacelle."
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit-13.jpg

No offers yet ??
Can I jump in with this one.

Clint.

[Tiger_mate]

It is unusual to have a mix of analoque and digital instruments in that manner. This in addition to the numerous references for 'Spin Recovery' make me believe that this is a test aircraft/ prototype, and probably one of the Boscombe Down fleet. Cockpit framing is present and therefore it is not a Hawk so I will opt for the Hunter.

[Mr_Grubby]

Tiger Mate.

Not a Hunter but a test aircraft.

C.

[Tiger_mate]

A custom built panel could be installed into anything. Based simply on the shape of the coming:

Jaguar

[Mr_Grubby]

Tiger.

Not a Jag.
Wrong side of the Atlantic.

C.

[evansb]

A McDonnell Douglas AV-8 Harrier?

[Mr_Grubby]

Bri.

No sorry.

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Clint
Check your PMs
Mel

[evansb]

The Rockwell/MBB X-31. (I noticed the canard control).

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/Rockwell_MBB_X31.jpg
Correct Sir !!
You have control.
Clint.

[evansb]

Thanks Clint. I understand NASA briefly experimented with a tail-less version of the X-31.
Here is the next cockpit.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/hind-D.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Consolidated PBY Catalina perhaps?

[evansb]

Mel, your are correct!:ok: A JATO Cat!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/JATOcat.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Bri
Thanks for that. Here is one for the night shift, however I do not think it will last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz247-1.jpg
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Bell 47?

It isnt a 'Sioux' military instrument panel, but could be one belonging to a civilian built one.

[MReyn24050]

It is a Rotary Wing but not the Bell 47.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Got me baffled, particulaty by the lack of cockpit framework. It is clearly a civilian helicopter rather then military, and there are few flying bubbles to choose from. My son votes for a Brantly but even they have framework.

I assume that whatever it is was made in very small numbers or is an early version (pre-production) of a type that developed in a slightly differant format?

[MReyn24050]

You are on the right track, it is a civilian helicopter rather then military. Not a Brantly.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Safari, formally known as Baby Belle?
http://www.campbellfieldairport.com/resources/_wsb_485x432_2006_07080029.JPG

[MReyn24050]

That is the Baby:ok: :D. Apparently 600 kits have been registered. I am not sure if there are any on the UK register. You have control.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

I thought that I would post a cockpit slightly differant from the norm to give a wider audience a chance:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/greybird.jpg
What is it?
Where is it?

[MReyn24050]

Please check your PMs
Mel

[LowNSlow]

Chance-Vought Kingfisher?

Guadalcanal?

[Tiger_mate]

A Kingfisher it is, but where?

There cannot be that many of them, and it is not the United States. I will update this post with a full photo once home this evening. It does not have floats fitted.

LowNSlow has the next one.

[MReyn24050]

How about the Museo de la Revolución Cuba?

[Tiger_mate]

It is, with a Sea Fury for company, complete with non standard canopy making for a very off looking aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

Looking at the photographs of the aircraft at the Cuban Museum, shown on the Airliners.Net, other aircraft such as the Lockheed T-33A and NA T-28 would appear to have non-standard the canopies as well.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/cubaquizz.jpg
This is the aircraft that I used for the last quizz. My son had jumped over a small fence this side of it and met an army guard complete with AK47, needless to say he needed some new underpants!

The revolution museum only has the Sea Fury and Kingfisher. The others are at a separate museum whose presence I was unaware of when visiting Cuba. As I do not intend to return to the country, I guess they will never be seen.

Is LowNSlow providing a new picture?

[evansb]

To keep the thread moving, here is the next challenge.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/aeroplane.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Bri
Please check PMs.
Mel

[evansb]

Clue #1. The aircraft was not built in North America.

[MReyn24050]

World War II and an Axis Power perhaps?

[Kitbag]

Perhaps with hinomaru markings?

[MReyn24050]

I think you might be right there.
Mel

[Kitbag]

B*^ger!, now I've got to have a real good think!

[evansb]

Kitbag, fewer than 30 were built, and it never saw battle.

[Kitbag]

OK, ignore my pm please, save my embarassment!

[LowNSlow]

Sorry for the delay in responding chaps and chapettes and thanks to evansb for keeping the ball rolling. It's a terrible thing when work keeps you away from Pprune!!

Is the current pic Soviet by any chance?

[MReyn24050]

I think kitbag established it was Japanese.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Kawasaki Ki61 Swallow?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Ki61 Swallow. The protoypes were completed in late 1943, the production aircraft built in 1944-5. Here is the aft-cockpit.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/AftCockpit.jpg

[pigboat]

Sorry for not posting a pic after my successful effort in post #890, people. I was away at my daughter's wedding, and I had forgotten my password. :O :O

[Tiger_mate]

The Kawasaki Ki-96 was a Japanese heavy fighter of World War II. Manufacture did not proceed past the prototype stage.
The success of the Ki-45 Toryu led Kawasaki to start development of an evolved version. Three prototypes of the new Ki-96 two-seat fighter were constructed from August 1942. By late in that year, the J.A.A.F. were looking for a single-seat heavy fighter and Kawasaki were directed to convert the Ki-96. The first prototype was ready in September 1943. In the event, indecision by J.A.A.F. officials, who proved unable to integrate the new type into their plans, resulted in the Ki-96 first reverting to the two-seat design and finally being abandoned.
The wings and tail unit of the Ki-96 would, in due course, form part of the structure of the Ki-102 Randy.

http://www.mischel.com/diary/2005/05/bomber.jpg

[evansb]

Tiger_mate, sorry not a Kawasaki, although it does resemble the Yokosuka D4Y "Judy". It was designed to be employed in an unusual way. The aircraft's first operational mission was cancelled late in the war. The photo(s) are of the only known example extant.

[Tiger_mate]

Yokosuka E14Y "Glen" or Aichi M6A1 Seiran both launched from a submarine

The photo above is a 'Judy', the photographer had no idea what it was called.

[evansb]

tiger_mate, it is an Aichi M6A "Seiran":ok: You have control, Sir.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/AichiM6A-Seiran.jpghttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/final_act.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

Intersting painting above right. The surrender of Japan is imminenet if not already occured, and the submariners in a last act of defiance are catapulting the aircraft overboard. It will not require floats as they intend to scuttle it, which is why they are attacking the floats with hammers and axes.
If anybody has a quizz ready to go, please launch now. Otherwise I will get back here asap.

[Akubra]

Its funny how the interior paint tells much about the crafts origins. That last one screamed Japan to me, as it did others I think.


Anyway, I will take Tiger up on his offer. http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/hgtmk3.jpg

[India Four Two]

Bleriot XI

[Akubra]

That was quick India Four Two! The floor is yours! :ok:

[India Four Two]

That was quick India Four Two! and you're up late!

Does anyone know if the wheel on top of the Bleriot control column had a function or was it just a hand grip?

This should be easy:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/P5240103.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Does anyone know if the wheel on top of the Bleriot control column had a function or was it just a hand grip?

It was as you say a hand grip. Bleriot's 'cloche' control for roll and pitch had fitted to the top a small wheel which was similar to a 'steering wheel' but was only a convenient hand grip and had no operating function.
Mel

[evansb]

Check your PMs.

[jabberwok]

Looks like a Blanik.

[India Four Two]

Looks like a Blanik. That's because it is a Blanik :)

A beautiful April day in Alberta on a long tow to 8000' for a Spring Checkout spin, with a late snowfall on the Highwood Range of the Rockies.

I like living in the tropics, but I must say I miss gliding.

A wider view of the cockpit and a ground shot:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/P5240102.jpg


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/P5240109.jpg

[India Four Two]

OK. Akubra has been AWOL for over a day. How about pigboat or Tiger_mate or LowNSlow? You missed your turns a while back.

[aviate1138]

Quick back to Blanik blarney.
Used to fly one from Inkpen Ridges, Hungerford. A mate was soaring off the ridge one day when a local idiot farmer took a potshot with a 12 bore. Farmer eventually got 2 years as the elevator cable was nearly severed. Then a NIMBY Army type retired and got the locals to close the ridgetop strip down.
:(
Aviate 1138
Thread creep finished.

[evansb]

While waiting for the other ppruner's photos, here is an easy one.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/565424.jpg

[evansb]

Clue #1. It is not Japanese.

[Woods]

Extra 500(or600)

[evansb]

Woods, you are close enough. It is actually an Extra EA400. You have control.:)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ExtraEA400.jpg

[Woods]

Please keep the ball in motion, I am not at home base, yet. Woods

[Tiger_mate]

Try this unusual creature:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/CPT.jpg

Clue: It isnt the rear turret on a Bear.

[Tiger_mate]

Clue 2:

Quite possibly unique. (I certainly do not know of a second example)

3 years of testing and 93 flights

Could achieve Mach 1.5

I have never heard of it before, and found it by chance researching for a differant type.

Come on Mel

[Akubra]

Was it a high alt spy plane prototype?

[evansb]

Sud-Ouest SO-9000 "Trident"?

[Tiger_mate]

Trident it is: Mixed propulsion research. Wingtip mounted jets with rockets on the aft fuselage. A little like our own SR53

http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/xplane/so9000-i.jpg

I would never have got it myself! Well done.:ok:

EvansB has the lead

[evansb]

Thanks Tiger_mate. Here is the next challenge.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/BedfordDennis.jpg

[Akubra]

At a guess, is it a T-2B Buckeye?