What Cockpit? MK V

[MReyn24050]

SAAB JAS-39D Gripen perhaps.
Mel

[evansb]

Akubra, sorry it is not a Buckeye.
MReyn24050, sorry Mel, it is not a SAAB.
The aircraft was not made in the U.S. or Sweden.

[India Four Two]

This seems to be a reverse of the earlier Pilatus Porter trick photo. In this case, what looks like one throttle is two. It's a Pucara.

[Tiger_mate]

It is a Pucara, and the throttle is below the handle seen on the left (out of picture) I think the handle seen is a canopy lock. I-F 2 has it methinks
http://todoaviones.esmartweb.com/argentina/pucara/urug2.jpg
This explains the red on the side.
Anybody know what the red stripe through the flag indicates? The panel mounted GPS was a surprise unless it is an ex-military aircraft.

[Speedpig]

"Anybody know what the red stripe through the flag indicates?"

It could be the flag of the Entre Rios Province....... it just happens to have a red diagonal stripe. Could it be that a/c based there would indicate the fact by having the provincial flag?

[evansb]

Spot on, India Four Two!:ok: It is an IA-58 Pucara. Well done. :D You have control.

Tiger_mate's photo is a Uruguay Air Force IA-58 displaying standard markings. As well, Argentina, Columbia, Mauritania, and Sri Lanka also operated the Pucara.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/pucara.jpg

[India Four Two]

I have to say I wan't sure about the throttle. The ergonomics seemed wrong. Canopy lock is much more convincing.

Here's an interesting one. I wasn't able to connect to Cringe's list but I don't think we've had it before.

I had never even heard of the manufacturer, never mind the type:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/cockpit1-1.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

Caproni?

....or the american GMB which was a copy.

[aviate1138]

Don't you love the control lock/thin rope/thick string? :)
Aviate 1138

[MReyn24050]

I believe it is a Keystone B-6A. The last Biplane Bomber in the USAAF.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/KeystoneB-6A.jpg
Mel

[India Four Two]

Yes, it's a Keystone B-6A. However, I agree with Tiger_mate, it does have a "European" look to it. It also has a surprisingly modern instrument panel (turn and slip) for an otherwise "WWI" bomber. Quite an anachronism.

Aviate1138. Yes, I liked the control lock too. More in spirit than practical value. Let's hope they had something stronger when it got really windy.

The throw over control wheel must have made it interesting for instructors.

Looking at the panel, I was wondering if the Captain flew from the right seat?

Over to you Mel.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks India Four Two.
The following link is to a site that outlines some information concerning the Keystone Aircraft Corporation.
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/arch/findaids/cwright/cwright_sec_15.html
Next challenge, I am sure this one will not last long.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz248.jpg

[India Four Two]

Sorry folks. I cannot resist this piece of backwards thread creep.

This image from http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/060420-F-1234P-006.jpg
clearly indicates why the B-6 was the last USAAF biplane bomber:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/060420-F-1234P-006.jpg

Possible Caption: "Captain, when we get in out of the rain, let's make sure this is the last open cockpit bomber we buy!"

[MReyn24050]

24 Hours many viewers no takers. Surely not that difficult.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz248.jpg

Early 1930s single engine.

[evansb]

Is it of Italian origin?

[MReyn24050]

Bri. Sorry for the delay no this aircraft was not Italian. It was not a European aircraft.
Mel

[India Four Two]

South American or Mexican?

[MReyn24050]

India Four Two
It was a South American aircraft.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Mel,

For some reason your Photobucket image is not displaying for me (Sunday 1340 UTC), so I cannot check, but I think the Altimeter might be labelled in Portuguese - so to narrow it down a bit further - Brazilian?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry to hear the photograph is not showing for you. Not sure about the Altimeter being labelled in Portuguese, this one came from further south.
Mel

[evansb]

Is it a FMA Ae. C.1? I'll assume that a panel has been removed for inspection in the bottom right of the cockpit. I initially thought it might be an observation window, as the Ae. M.B.1 and M.S.1 have them in that location, but I could not justify any other part of the cockpit to the M.B.1./M.S.1.

[MReyn24050]

evansb. :ok: It is the right answer. Regarding the missing panel you are most probably correct.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/aec1-1.jpg
You have control.:D .

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. What a rare aircraft that turned out to be. This aircraft is a bit unusual.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/78879.jpghttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/upperR.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Interesting. The lamp with rheostat on the upper port panel looks 1960ish, so it is either a restored aircraft or post WWII?

[Tiger_mate]

Looks like an airship gondola to me. Not modern enough for a Skyship, so could be the Good Year airship, but is probably a one off.

[evansb]

Prototype first flew in 1961, production began in 1963, just under thirty were built, and over a dozen are still airworthy. It is not an airship.

[aviate1138]

Some sort of hovercraft?
Aviate 1138

[evansb]

Aviate 1138, sorry not a hovercraft. In most respects it is a rather conventional aircraft. Here is the aft cockpit seat.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/aftseat.jpg

[Woods]

Sounds like the twin-engined Champion/Citabria called the Lancer, I believe. Tricycle gear twin trainer.:confused: Woods

[evansb]

Woods, you are correct.:ok: It is a 1963 Champion Lancer 402. Well done.:D You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/63champLancer-1.jpg

[Woods]

Please someone keep this rolling for me. If I can get taught how to submit pictures and find a current list of those that have been done, I should be able to hold up my end. Can someone help me out?

[treadigraph]

Woods, take a look at this link (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203481) mate, BOAC has posted loads of helpful stuff. If you need any more help, PM me... There's a list of previous cockpits a few pages back on this thread I think...

Good challenge and great answer. Interesting aeroplane... looks like a mini Islander with some seaplane chucked in...

[pigboat]

A friend of mine got his twin engine rating in a Lancer. With full fuel and two normal weight adults on board, the aircraft exceeded its maximum take-off weight. :eek:

In the event of an engine failure, the procedure was to pull the power on the good engine and slow the aircraft to the point where the propeller of the failed engine stopped windmilling. This was the only way the aircraft would fly on one engine. Still in all, it was a cheap way to build twin time. :p

[evansb]

Woods, here is a list compiled on the 15th of December by Cringe:
http://www.geocities.com/cringe2007/list.htm?200617

If the above link fails to connect, go to page 18, thread #352 for the original link.

Also, MReyn24050 updated the list on March 5th, on page 43, thread #847.

Cheers.

[Bushfiva]

I'll step in for Woods, and I'll step out again if needs be.

It may look hard, but I think there's enough info there to narrow it down quite rapidly :)

http://www.elanguage.jp/test/test.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks very much Russian, I would say it was the panel of a MIG-25.
Mel

[Bushfiva]

Well Mel,

All I can say is "poop", because you're spot on. The numbers are genuine, by the way, the shot was taken in flight.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that, this one is a complete contrast. However, I am sure it will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz249.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, was the aircraft being restored when the photo was taken? Also, it appears that the joystick's aft movement is restricted by the wood plate on the floor.

[MReyn24050]

Hi Bri
I think it may have been taken during build.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

No takers! In a way I am not surprised, this particular aircraft was a bit of an odd ball. It did fly but not well, it was an early experimental aircraft, around 1920s!!
Mel

[Kitbag]

Wouldn't be one of Armstrong Whitworths angular creations would it? Looks like a radiator matrix at the top of the picture in line of sight of the driver.

[MReyn24050]

No, not one of Armstrong Whitworth's angular creations. As you say the radiator matrix appears to be in line of sight of the driver.This one was British though.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, was this an Avro design?

[MReyn24050]

Bri. Not an Avro design.
Mel

[evansb]

Okay, how about Blackburn, then?

[Yozzer]

With the 'flat' upper surfaces of the forward cowling, I would guess at the De Havilland stable. Though a browse through a very good reference book last night came up with nothing.

[MReyn24050]

To recap.
This aircraft was photographed either during it's initial build or it's rebuild. It was a one off and was built as an experimental aircraft to support the design of another aircraft . It was built around 1920 by a British Company but not by either Avro,Armstrong Whitworth, Blackburn or De Havilland. It also had a nickname connecting it to it's designer.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Mel, Thanks for the recap. I thought you and Bri were going to go through the manufacturers from A to Z :)

Was the fuselage top flat when finished?

[MReyn24050]

Yes the top of the fuselage was flat, a cross-section of the fuselage shows a simple rectangular fuselage.
Mel

[Yozzer]

The prospective A-Z was a good reminder of the nations once fine Aviation Heritage,:ok: and a sad reflection of what is has become::confused:

[evansb]

Is it from Bristol?

[MReyn24050]

Bri. Sorry for the delay. Yes it was from the Bristol Aeroplane Company.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, is it the Bristol Seely?

[MReyn24050]

Bri. Not the Bristol Seely, the challenge aircraft flew a little bit earlier.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Bristol Tourer?

A replica in Australia had the right side canvas missing to show the structure.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Tourer but there was a connection between the Tourer and the challenge aircraft.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Bristol also developed an all-metal version of the F.2A, designated the Bristol M.R.1. Two prototypes were built, the first flying on 23 October, 1917, but the M.R.1 never entered mass production.

On the other hand, the Bristol Burney was named after Charles Burney, one of the Bristol 'family' of designers.

Sadly I cannot find an image of this machine to check. It must be as rare as chickens teeth.

[MReyn24050]

As stated earlier, it was a one off and was built as an experimental aircraft to support the design of another aircraft. It was not the Burney. This one really was the original X Plane before the USA even considered the designation.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Mel said:
However, I am sure it will not last long.

You having a laugh!!

I am puzzled by Bristol boast about making tubular steel aeroplanes, when this one is clearly constructed with a hardwood frame. Is the photograph a modern one reproduced in B&W? Does the machine still exist? For it is a good quality image for an 'old' photo. Was the result of the "experiment" the Bristol Bulldog fighter? Is the quoted (1920's) correct, as the framework suggests 1910-1920.

[MReyn24050]

Not really. I honestly thought either you or Bri evansb would get it straight away. Further clue:- Captain Barnwell
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Have to check on that clue, but there only ever was 1x Type 36 and it had a flat topped cowling. Somewhat larger than I expected, but photographs can tell lies. Any chance a 36 is it?

AL1

Ref your clue
'Pullman' was actually built as the third 'Braemar'
Braeamar has geographical links to the first Scottish Aviator: Capt Barnwell.

[evansb]

Mel, I am at a near dead-end, as none of my reference sources contain information regarding an aeroplane that matches your photo. Was Bristol's chief designer, Frank S. Barnwell, developing the "Badger X", (type 23-X) at the same time as the challenge aircraft?

[MReyn24050]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/BristolBadgerX.jpg
The aircraft concerned was the Bristol Badger X :ok: :D
In 1917 the Bristol Aeroplane Company were looking at replacements for the Bristol Fighter F.2B, at that time in full production at more than one site. Captain Barnwell submitted a design but after various engine options fell through he declared that at least 300 hp was needed to meet specification. he opted for an available ABC Dragonfly air-cooled radial of some 320 hp but after building two machine it proved as unreliable as the Sunbeam Arab giving around a life span of 17 hours before breaking the crankshaft.
The second machine was to have another new Fedden Butler design, the 400 hp Cosmos Jupiter engine. Six weeks later war ended and all production contracts were terminated. Experimental contracts continued and the second Badger flew with engine on 24th May 1919. The engine proved a winner but the aircraft had aerodynamic problems in lateral control. The company needed confirmation from a wind-tunnel so Barnwell and Frise designed a simple rectangular fuselage of spruce and plywood in which was installed a 240 h.p. Siddeley Puma engine. To this were attached a spare set of Badger Wings, tail surfaces and landing gear and the result was a single-seat laboratory biplane whose flying qualities could be directly compared with wind-tunnel tests on a 1/10th scale model carried out at the N.P.L. wind-tunnel. This aircraft was known as the Badger Experimental , soon shortened to the Badger X. This was the first Bristol aircraft to be entered onto the British Civil register as G-EABU on 30 May 1919. However by that date it had already been written off, for although Cyril Unwins a Bristol Test Pilot made a successful flight on the 13th May, Captain Barnwell himself nosed the aircraft over on the 22nd May. He was uninjured and the aeroplane was not beyond economic repair. Barnwell himself hoped to use the Badger X as a runabout and it was nicknamed as ‘Barnwell’s Weekender’. Whether this referred to its proposed use or the extreme shortness of its design time is not certain.
Three days after Capt Barnwell crashed the Badger X he installed the Puma engine into a Bristol Fighter airframe which became the first Tourer.

[evansb]

Thank you Mel. That one was truly the most challenging ever, and I only got it through the side-door, so-to-speak. It was the engine difference that threw me off trail. Here is Frank Barnwell. source: http://www.aviationarchive.org.uk

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Type23XPuma.jpghttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Bristol.png

[MReyn24050]

That certainly is Captain Barnwell but I am not sure the aircraft is the Badger X, it doesnt match the other photographs of the aircraft I have and the engine I do not think is the Siddeley Puma. The aircraft looks more like a Bristol S.2A fitted with a Clerget 100 h.p. Mono-Gnome. The Puma was an in-line engine that aircraft's engine is I am sure a Rotary engine.
You have control.

[evansb]

Yes, I doubt the aircraft in my photo is a Badger-X, but the photo from one source had it captioned thus, in fact one caption said he is shown in front of his "weekender". The Badger-X in your photo does seem to lack sufficient vertical stabiliser area, I wonder if this caused some control problems. You are correct, my photo was captioned incorrectly as a Badger X. source: http://www.aviationarchive.org.uk

I'll post a new cockpit photo shortly.

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/moon.jpg

[India Four Two]

Mel, Well done. That was the most interesting one yet. I now know MUCH more about British manufacturers!

I stumbled on the name Badger X and felt sure I had it until I saw the same photo that evansb found.

However, you left out the most important answer to one of your clues. Was he called Badger Barnwell?

[Tiger_mate]

Any chance of a larger image, say 800 pixels across, so that we can see it.
..Please..

[tail wheel]

Convair 580?

Ooops! Wrong steering wheel! :} But similar trim wheels and center console?

[ZH875]

So how about Convair 640?

[MReyn24050]

India Four Two.
Thanks for your comment. You asked:-
Was he called Badger Barnwell?
I have never heard him called that. As stated at post # 1064, Frank Barnwell designed an aircraft, designation F.2C, which was to replace the Bristol Fighter F.2B. The Official name of this aircraft was the Badger. The Badger X was built to help in understanding some problems being experienced with the lateral control of the Badger. It was the Badger X which had the nickname “Barnwell’s Weekender”.
Captain Frank S. Barnwell 1880-1938
Born in Kent, England, Captain Frank Barnwell was the designer responsible for the outstanding Bristol aircraft from the 1910s to the 1930s. He served six years as an apprentice with a shipbuilder before joining his brother in a small engineering firm near Stirling, Scotland, where they built several gliders and powered airplanes. In 1911, he joined the British & Colonial Aeroplane Co., later called the Bristol Airplane Co., as chief draftsman. From 1913 to 1921, he produced a range of designs including the Scout biplane and the M.1 Bullet monoplane, as well as the outstanding Bristol F.2B.
However, along with most of his generation, Frank joined up for service in the First World War. He became a wartime pilot in the Royal Flying Corp and rose to the rank of Captain. In 1915 he was stationed in France with No. 12 Squadron and saw at first hand the ease with which the newly introduced German Fokker + E-type was disposing of the British BE2. The BE2 was poorly armed and lacked maneuverability. The Flying Corps was losing pilots almost as fast as they could be replaced. Not wishing to lose more pilots, and at the same time not wishing to lose valuable engineering and design capability, the General Staff released Frank Barnwell from duty in 1915. He was sent back to Filton on indefinite unpaid leave to resume his position as Chief Engineer. The result turned out as the famous Bristol Fighter this was one of Capt Frank Barnwells' masterpieces. It was such a solid aircraft and a joy to fly that pilots who were being beaten on the Western Front suddenly found that with this machine they could, and did, turn the tide of battle and win the war over the battle front in 1917.
He continued to design a variety of aircraft that included the Bulldog Fighter, the Blenheim bomber, and the Type 138 high-altitude monoplane.
Barnwell was one of the first designers in Britain to adopt the new technology of the stressed-skin monoplane, starting design of a high-speed six-seater in 1933. This developed into the 'Britain First', predecessor of the Blenheim bomber.
Like his brother before him, Frank Barnwell suffered an untimely death, killed as he was in a flying accident in 1938 whilst testing a machine built for his own use. Frank Barnwell loved to fly but unlike his brother Harold, he was not a great pilot and Bristol finally stopped him flying the company's aircraft. Frank, therefore designed and built a motorcycle engined ultra-light for his own use and on its second flight at Whitchurch, Bristol, he crashed and was killed outright. The world had lost, still with so much to give, one of the most innovative aircraft designers of all time. In World War Two, Frank's three sons joined up for active service, and tragically, they also lost their lives, two of them in Blenheims.

[evansb]

ZH875, sorry not a Convair.

[MReyn24050]

Bri. Please check your PMs.
Mel

[pigboat]

HP Dart Herald?

[evansb]

pigboat, sorry not a Dart Herald.

[India Four Two]

Nord N-262E Fregate

[evansb]

India Four Two, Well done Simon:D It is a Nord 262 Fregate.:ok: You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/n262-i.jpg

[India Four Two]

Thanks, I just got lucky early in the search process. It makes a change from poring over pictures of obscure British biplanes ;)

New cockpit coming up. I just need to make a connection to Photobucket

[India Four Two]

This one is not from Bristol, although you could argue there is some slight connection with the Badger. Sorry about the quality.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Cockpit9April.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Please check PM
Mel

[MReyn24050]

India Four Two you state "This one is not from Bristol, although you could argue there is some slight connection with the Badger."

Not quite sure what you mean, this one looks several years after the Badger. Could it be that you are referring to the location of its origin perhaps of another South West country manufacture?

Mel

[India Four Two]

Interesting thought Mel. That wasn't what I had in mind - it was a connection between the choice of type names rather than the manufacturer's names, but you are on the right track.

Also, a commonality with the Badger, is that this type's full name is also alliterative.

[MReyn24050]

Still no takers? From India Four Two's answer to my question I take it that this aircraft was from possibly either Westland or Gloster Aircraft Company. Obviously armed and 1930ish?

[India Four Two]

Mel, definitely from Somerset, but the type name is from much further west.
Obviously armed and 1930ish?Designed in the 20s, operational in the 30s and still used as late as 42 (I think). Armament: bombs, fixed 0.303 and a Lewis gun on a Scarff ring.

[Tiger_mate]

Westland Wapiti

Next:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/CPT_easter.jpg

Now this should be a quick one :ok:

[India Four Two]

Westland Wapiti

Next:Ah, someone with the courage of his convictions!

This particular Wapiti was with the Indian Airforce.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Wapiti-J1263.jpg (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Wapiti-J1263.jpg)

It comes from this very interesting website

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/Wapiti.html

[MReyn24050]

Tiger_mate
Please check your PMs
Mel

[Kitbag]

That'll be SEPECATs' finest product then? GR3a

[Tiger_mate]

Recently retired and now destined for the Defence College at Cosford. Jaguar being dismantled at Shawbury.

Kitbag has control

[MReyn24050]

It is 24 hours since control was passed to kitbag and no challenge yet forthcoming. To keep things moving I submit the following, if I have jumped the gun and you were about to post kitbag, forgive me and I will withdraw this one.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz250.jpg

Mel

[India Four Two]

German, single engine?

[MReyn24050]

Single engine yes, but not German.
Mel

[evansb]

Yakovlev Yak-1.

[MReyn24050]

:ok: :D It is the Yak 1. The Yak-1 was the first of a line of small, nimble fighters, (front-line nick-named The Little Ones), very easy to build and maintain, and with fine performance and handling at low altitude. They were lightly armed and had weaker performance at higher altitude (apparently they were not built for high altitude).
The Yak-series was the most important Soviet fighter of early stages of the Great Patriotic War (WWII at the East Front), before La-5 came into service.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/yak1-4.jpg
You have control
Mel

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/friday.jpg

[MReyn24050]

High wing, single engine?
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, yes to both questions.

[Tiger_mate]

DHC Otter
+ a bit to make up the minimum words

[evansb]

Sorry mate, not from de Havilland Canada.

[India Four Two]

Sorry mate, not from de Havilland Canada.

But North American (as in continent, not manufacturer)?

[evansb]

Yes, it is North American.

[MReyn24050]

Would it be a Helio Stallion AU-24A?
Mel

[evansb]

Mel, yes, you are correct:ok: . It is a Helio Stallion. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/stallion.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri. Here is an easy one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz251.jpg
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

British.

DeHavilland ?

Looks like a Gypsy Engine.

C.

[MReyn24050]

Hi Clint. This bird certainly had a De Havilland Gypsy engine but she was not British.
Mel

[Speedpig]

Saab 91 Safir perchance?

Request permission to retract that... just realised the Safir is side by side cockpit:ugh:

[MReyn24050]

Permission granted. This particular bird, as you say, did not have side by side seating.

[Speedpig]

Polish RWD-5?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry. She was not a Polish aircraft.

[Speedpig]

A Stampe?
I'm running out of ideas now.

[MReyn24050]

Not a Stampe. Not a Belgian aircraft, sorry for the earlier misleading statement.However right continent.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Open cockpit (note the gloves), Gipsy Major, European.

How about the 1930s Dutch Lambach HL I? The cockpit seems too messy and too dated to be the 1990s replica, but the electrical system makes it look like a post-war aircraft. Also the mag switches are labelled Kontakt, which is German rather than Dutch.

Having said all that and reviewed the picture, I see it has a modern radio, so it cannot be the HL1 which was destroyed in a air raid.

So like Speedpig, I'm running out of ideas. Mel's idea of "easy" is different than mine ;)

Based purely on the mag switch label, is it German?

[Speedpig]

Not a Stampe. Not a Belgian aircraft, sorry for the earlier misleading statement.However right continent.
Mel

Well, that's narrowed it down!
Hmmmm India Four Two is feeding the brain cells though.

[jabberwok]

My thought was the Ikarus Aero 2 but I thought we had done that one.

[Speedpig]

Is there a Bucker Jungmann fitted with a Gypsy Major? Is this it?
I know the production was a Hirth engine but could this be a one off?

[MReyn24050]

Facts to date. This aircraft had a DH Gypsy Major engine. It did have an open cockpit and it was not built by Poland, Belgian, Holland,Germany or France come to that.
It is not the Ikarus Aero 2.
It first flew post WWII. I believe there is still one of these aircraft still airworthy.

[India Four Two]

Mags labelled Kontakt which is German, but not Dutch. CB labelled Olie (with Dymo) which is Dutch but not German.

Mel ruled out Dutch and German, so I started searching Scandinavia for Gipsy Majors and here it is, in glorious colour:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0259501&WxsIERv=FNV%20XM%20VVG&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Qnavfu%20Pbyyrpgvba%20bs%20Ivagntr%20Nvepensg&QtODMg=Fgnhavat%20%28FGN%20%2F%20RXIW%29&ERDLTkt=Qraznex&ktODMp=Whyl%2027%2C%202002&BP=1&WNEb25u=Qnavfu%20Nivngvba%20Cubgb&xsIERvdWdsY=BL-SNX&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=761&NEb25uZWxs=2002-08-07%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&width=1600&height=1235&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg_trarevp%20%3D%20%27FNV%20XM%20VV% 27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=9&prev_id=0278670&next_id=0259495

The rear cockpit of an SAI KZ II - another previously unknown to me Gipsy Major engined trainer.

"Easy" - surely Sir, you jest? :) Did you post it in black and white for period atmosphere or just to put us off the scent?

And another thing I learned today during my quest - Dymo labels were introduced in 1958.

I42

[Speedpig]

Good spot India

[MReyn24050]

:ok: :D It is the right answer. This photograph came from another source.
But then I didn't want to make it too easy:)
You have control
Mel

[India Four Two]

Here's a new one. No Gipsy Majors here:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Whatcockpit20070415.jpg

[MReyn24050]

IndiaFourTwo.
What no Gypsy Majors? This looks like a Rotary Wing job to me.
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Is it Italian ?

C.

[MReyn24050]

For some reason Flying Bananas come to mind.Piasecki H-21 Shawnee perhaps?

[India Four Two]

Mel has it. This one is labelled as a CH-21C, from this site http://www.oc-kahuna.com/airfield.htm about Soc Trang airfield in the south of the Mekong Delta, about 30 mins flying time and 8 hours or so by car and ferry from where I live.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Soctrangw.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks IndiaFourTwo. That is a great website, that panel had a few more instuments than the CH-12C I am familiar with.
Next Challenge again No Gypsy Majors in sight.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz252.jpg
Mel

[India Four Two]

That is a great websiteDid you see the page about the unit mascot? http://www.oc-kahuna.com/Tuffy.htm

Tiger_mate should enjoy this one.

Now back to Mel's challenge. Small engine instruments - possibly turbine? An apparent piston engine EGT gauge, but no large RPM gauge - possibly piston? Flight instruments look Eastern European and the compass is reminiscent of a PZL compass I had once, but some labels in English. All in all, I'll guess Eastern European, possibly Polish,turbine powered.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that IndiaFourTwo. I loved the story of Carl Striver and his first encounter with Tuffyy.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

IndiaFourTwo.
Flight instruments look Eastern European and the compass is reminiscent of a PZL compass I had once, but some labels in English. All in all, I'll guess Eastern European, possibly Polish,turbine powered.

Sorry. Continents away I am afraid this one had a Gas turbine.

Mel

[Kitbag]

With the shape of the coaming I wonder whether it was rotary?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft is not a Rotary Winged aircraft.
Mel

[Woods]

I am very new here, and I've gotten pretty puzzled about some aspects of this thread. I've got several questions, but first, do I post them this way?
I'll take stab, Douglas AD?:rolleyes:
ooPs,didn't see the gas turbine comment. Cancel that guess.

[MReyn24050]

Welcome to the thread. Do not be afraid to pose questions regarding the challenges. Your question is fine. However I regret to say that it is not the cockpit of a Douglas AD/A-1 Skyraider. You are in the right part of the world though.
Mel

[Woods]

Mel

It looks like US Navy to me.

I will compose some thread operating question and post them Thanks.

Woods

[Speedpig]

A bit of a guess as I'm at work and don't have all facilities available....
TBM Avenger?

[MReyn24050]

This one was not used by the US Navy.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Logging off for tonight. Recap:- not European but is North American. Not used by the US Navy is fitted with a Gas Turbine Engine. Back on line tomorrow morning.
Mel

[BSD]

All right, I'll have a go though I'm not at all confident.

How about the Mustang resurrected by Piper in the 70's, and powered by a Dart instead of a Merlin?

I believe it was called the Enforcer, and was an attempt at producing a low-cost COIN ( counter-insurgency? ) ground attack aircraft.

Cheers,

BSD

[MReyn24050]

Sorry BSD this one is not the cockpit of the Enforcer or the Cavaliar.
I know the aircraft you are referring too. Cavaliar Aircraft Corp acquired the design rights in the original P-51 from North American in the 1960s. In 1968 Cavaliar flight tested a modified P-51 as the Turbo-Mustang III powered by a Rolls Royce Dart engine. They then set about a more ambitious turbo-prop conversion using a 2,455 s.h.p. Lycoming T55-L-9. Two airframes were put in hand. First flown on April 19 1971, this conversion was named Enforcer and that same year Piper Aircraft acquired full rights from Cavalier.
In Sept 1981 a contract was placed with Piper for the construction of two new prototypes which became the PA-48 Enforcer. These were also powered by the Lycoming T55-L-9. and flew April 9 and July 8 1983.
The challenge aircraft was not a turbo-prop and this paricular aircraft type first flew later part of 1950s.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Time for another clue, Mel. Like Kitbag, I thought the assymetric coaming looked like a helicopter, but since it isn't, does this aircraft have side-by-side seats?

[MReyn24050]

No, in this aircraft type the aircrew sat in tandem but the aircraft was not a training aircraft.The photograph is of the pilot's instrument panel.
Mel

[India Four Two]

the aircraft was not a training aircraft

Tandem two-seater, not a trainer - perhaps COIN? It's not a Bronco cockpit, so how about its competitor, the Convair Model 48 Charger?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Simon as stated at Post #1131 and # 1141 the subject aircraft had a Gas Turbine engine and was not a turbo-prop.
To recap this aircraft was designed and built in the USA around mid 1950s, this particular type first flew towards the end of the 1950s. It was not a training aircraft and was not COIN it had two crew seated in tandem.It also had two engines.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Martin B57 (Canberra)?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Martin B57 (Canberra) the engines on the subject aircraft were considerably a lot closer together than those on the Canberra.

[pigboat]

North American Vigilante? Forget the designation, A3??

[windriver]

Northrop F-89J Scorpion

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Gentlemen, this was neither the North American Vigilante nor the Northrop F-89J Scorpion. This aircraft was not a Naval aircraft but was a similar type to the Scorpion.
Mel

[NutherA2]

F94 Starfire?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry not the Lockheed F-94 Starfire. The subject aircraft was a twin engined aircraft.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Voodoo RF-101, possibly the A model?

[MReyn24050]

:ok: It is the correct answer. It is in fact a McDonnell Voodoo F-101B.:D See the following site for other photographs of the cockpit.
http://detailsite3.tripod.com/f101/f101page.htm
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/McDonnellVoodooF-101B.jpg
You have control
Mel

[windriver]

What's the display with the wavy lines and Dolls Eyes centre bottom of the panel? - Gear???

[MReyn24050]

What's the display with the wavy lines and Dolls Eyes centre bottom of the panel? - Gear???
Not sure, it doesnt seem to appear on other Voodoo F101 panels.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

I had that same discussion with an old and bold aviator this afternoon. One of the reasons that I opted for B57 was the shape given on that diagram. It is a wild guess as we could not reach a conclusion, but either fuel tanks or undercarriage were favourites. The red instrument to the left is anybodies guess.

[India Four Two]

Mel, That was an interesting exercise.

I think the wavy lines and dolls eyes relate to underwing and centreline stores carriage, possibly emergency ejection (which of course should have told me it wasn't an RF-101). I saw the same instrument in another attack aircraft cockpit picture. The three digit display to the left could be a DME readout with an Off flag. I was amused to see the 2000 fpm descent rate.

A small digression before continuing. I found this while following the COIN blind alley. A fascinating history of how the OV-10 Bronco came to be. It started off as an unofficial homebuilt project!
See http://www.volanteaircraft.com/ov-10.htm

How about this one. Looks can be deceiving:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/whatcockpit18407.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

I have flown on a OV10 Bronco, and let me tell you, it rattles so much your fillings fall out. Fantastic view from the cockpit, inluding vertically below! ...not an aeroplane that I would want to spent another second in flight on.

[windriver]

The panel has the look of a Bolkow Monsun..even shades of GA5. but nothing else fits. Considered the Dornier D0-27... but rejected it for various reasons.

I`ll start the ball rolling, is it an early Maule, M4 perhaps?
But you said looks could be deceiving so I don`t hold out much hope.

[India Four Two]

Windriver,

Interesting choices, but none of those.

Tiger_mate,

What caused the vibration?

[Tiger_mate]

The instrumentation on the quizz makes it look like a motor glider to me, though I do not know if such beasties have a variometer as standard. (Which is not present).

The Bronco vibration is due to design and proximity to the engines. If you look at the rear seats location, you have the working end of 2 jet props either side of your ears, and even with a helmet on, it is noisy and vibrates.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/8/82/Ov-10frontright.jpg
Low level forward air control tends to take your mind off it a little.

[foxmoth]

Citabria for the latest cockpit?

[India Four Two]

Tiger_mate

Yes, I imagine that environment tends to focus the mind on things other than comfort!

Not a motor glider and you are right, any motor glider would have at least one if not two variometers.

Foxmoth,

Not a Citabria, but very reminiscent. I think the designer might have been inspired by the Champion/Bellanca products.

[MReyn24050]

Do not want to jump in too early.Please check your PMs

[India Four Two]

Not a Citabria, but very reminiscent. I think the designer might have been inspired by the Champion/Bellanca products.I made the above comment in reference to the panel. After referring to a photo of the whole aircraft, I think a better description is a Citabria/Super Cub cross with a bit of Maule thrown in.;)

[asw28-866]

aviat husky?

[windriver]

Aero Boero 95 or Adam RA14 perhaps??

[India Four Two]

Yes, it's the Argentinian Aero Boero 115, a development of the 95, which first flew in 1959.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0214093

Over to you, Windriver

[windriver]

Having done a little background this probably won't last long, but it was in new type to me...

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/pf6.jpg

[BSD]

Windriver,

How about an Alon Ercoupe?

Can't quite make out whether it has rudder pedals, but I think the original Ercoupe was designed without them, having "simplomatic" controls.

BSD.

[windriver]

Sorry not the Ercoupe... this has a conventional control system.

(Talking of Ercoupes is it true that the original 707 pilots were taught crosswind landing techniques in the Ercoupe before flying the jet?)

[MReyn24050]

I do not think this is an aircraft built in the USA. Can you confirm?
Mel

[windriver]

This aircraft was not built in the USA. This impressive aircraft is a development of a much more familar type.

[MReyn24050]

I will take a stab and propose it is the Aermacchi AL 60 or variant there-of.
Mel

[windriver]

It's not an Aermacchi, but a similar flavour.

[MReyn24050]

It's not an Aermacchi, but a similar flavour. How about the SIAI-Marchetti S.205, S.208?
Mel

[windriver]

Not a SIAI-Marchetti. Perhaps the word flavour was slightly misleading, but I can confirm this aircraft which made its debut in 1958 is of Italian origin.

I`m led to believe that (surprisingly) only 10 of this particular model were manufactured, one of which is currently active on the UK register.

[Speedpig]

Is it an Avia FL 3?

[windriver]

Sorry it's not the Avia.

[India Four Two]

Piaggio P.148?

[windriver]

Sorry India Four Two it's not a Piaggio.....

This aircraft (which in English would be called the Kite Hawk) is, like the Aermacchi a Stelio Frati creation.

[Tiger_mate]

Is it an early Falco?
http://www.seqair.com/Frati/GilbertOnFrati/Nibbio1.gif
F.14 Nibbio

http://nl.airliners.net/photos/middle/8/5/4/0686458.jpg

[windriver]

Correct Tiger_mate it's the Aviamilano F.14 Nibbio (which I believe post dates the F.8 Falco)

Nice bit of kit anyway... And just for the record in case I inadvertently threw MReyn24050 off the scent I have subseqently learned that the Aermacchi was in fact originally an Aviamilano Frati design.

You have control

[Tiger_mate]

With any luck this may last 24 hours. If Mel or Bri hasnt got it by then I may add a horizontal strip to it.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/wotisit.jpg

[windriver]

More panels please....

[India Four Two]

British. Late 40s, early 50s?

[Speedpig]

Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer?

[Tiger_mate]

Second strip. If I gave it all to you, it would not last 2 mins.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/clue2.jpg
There was (is) a very good clue in the first photograph.

It is British, although a little older than suggested, and I believe it originates from south of the Scottish border. There is not a complete example anywhere at this time, although 3 museums to my knowledge have significant pieces on display. This one has a baby brother at the same location and is open to the public on rare occasion. It shares its hangar with an american cousin, and upon completion of the quizz, I will show photographs of all 3 machines.

http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/clue2a.jpg

[682al]

There was (is) a very good clue in the first photograph.


An Angle of Dangle Indicator, perhaps?

[Tiger_mate]

Your a naughty boy (or girl)!!

Tease everybody why dont you.

[India Four Two]

Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer?Speedpig, that would be the retractable gear Mark II would it? ;)

[Speedpig]

Yes.... you know when you make a post and immediately regret it.... hadnt had time to edit it. I realised about an hour later when away from PC. Obviously I can't edit now or no-one will know what you are talking about! :cool:

[India Four Two]

Yes, I've often felt there should a delay built into any email or web browser Send button.

Back to the mystery strips. I don't see a throttle quadrant, so perhaps the throttles are overhead. How about the Saro Cloud amphibian? In which case, its baby brother would be the Cutty Sark and I presume the American cousin would be one of the Grumman amphibians.

[Tiger_mate]

If I said so close yet so far, it would on face value lead you astray. In hindsight later on you will see what I mean, but sadly not a Saro.
Some items of relevence:

The cockpit is Matt black in colour and one instrument is deemed important enough to have an overhead adjustable light.

There are 4 VMAX speed limits noted on the top of the first picture. The maximum is equal to the max on the ASI, which unusually is in MPH.

The aircraft is not equipped with floats, and would therefore sink. (eventually)

[MReyn24050]

Well, I did let it run. It is I believe the Airspeed Horsa glider.
Mel

[windriver]

Yes definitely the Horsa and for a bonus point is it Denzil Cooper in the left seat and Lt Col Jean-Claude Mathevet in the right seat..?? (Not shown)

http://www.assaultgliderproject.co.uk/

[MReyn24050]

Windriver's link confirms my answer. So here is the next challenge
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz253.jpg
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

It is the Assault Glider Trust Horsa, and Mel has control. Photos of the 3 to be added shortly:

[MReyn24050]

Great challenge, it was the undercarriage jettison lever and canopy structure and panel mounting that helped me.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Here is the principle Horsa: Scratchbuild, and surely evidence that no aeronautical masterpiece can ever truly be extinct:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/glider1.jpg
....amd his baby brother, being built for the USA
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/glider2.jpg
..and their cousin, exchanged for the US bound glider. A WACO (Hadrian)
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/glider3.jpg
Where they will eventually be displayed is anybodies guess, but it is a crying shame that BAe forbid that the Horsa will ever fly. The co-ordinator is Tim Jenkins, and a nicer bloke you will never find. The staff involved are without exception enthusiastic, and bloody good luck to them. They have done well.

[evansb]

Bowlus Albatross?

[MReyn24050]

:D :ok: It is the Bowlus BA-100 Baby Albatross
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/BowlusBA-100BabyAlbatross2.jpg
You have control
Mel

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Here is the next challenge.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/jobber.jpg

[Bushfiva]

Convair 640

[MReyn24050]

Please check your PMs Bri.
Mel

[India Four Two]

one instrument is deemed important enough to have an overhead adjustable light.


So, it probably isn't an early localiser indicator. :) Does it show the tow rope angle, and if so, how does it work?

[evansb]

Bushfiva, sorry not a Convair 640.

[MReyn24050]

India Four Two wrote:- Quote:
one instrument is deemed important enough to have an overhead adjustable light.
So, it probably isn't an early localiser indicator. Does it show the tow rope angle, and if so, how does it work?
According to the following website it is an artificial horizon but very different to the regular artificial horizons I have seen.
http://www.pointvista.com/WW2GliderPilots/thehorsa.htm
However you were correct.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/CableAngleIndicator.jpg
Mel

[On-MarkBob]

Is it a Martin 404?

[evansb]

On-MarkBob, sorry, not a Martin 404.

[Tiger_mate]

1) American (Radar is found on Neptune & early Orion)
2) Lockheed
3) Neptune?
4) Fifties

Second thoughts; there is no nose-wheel steering wheel, is it a tail-dragger?

[pigboat]

From the look of the yoke, it's Australian. :E

[evansb]

For Tiger_mate and pigboat, it is American. First flight in 1948. Entered operational service in the early 1950s. The aircraft is notable for several historical lasts. It is not from Lockheed's stable.

[BSD]

Morning evansb,

My bid: Grumman Tracker.

I was more confident until your last post. Can't think what it's notable lasts were!

BSD.

[Kitbag]

A guess, Fairchild C119 Flying Boxcar?

[Woods]

Martin P5M Marlin. If this right, keep control, not ready to post yet. Woods

[Agaricus bisporus]

Martin P6 Seamaster?

[av8boy]

I agree with Woods... Martin P5M-2.


http://www.farfromglory.com/images/p5-m2.jpg

But I don't want control either! :)

Dave

[evansb]

Woods and av8boy are correct.:ok: It is a Martin Marlin, specifically the last one left in the world, a SP-5B (P5M-2S) at the National Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, Florida. The Marlin was the last operational flying boat used by the U.S. Navy; the last flying boat used by a (then) NATO country, France, (the French Aeronavale operated 10 P-5Bs); the last Martin flying boat ever produced; and the last true Martin design to be mass produced, (the last Marlin was built in 1960). Like a few other flying boats, she was also referred to as "pigboat". The Convair Tradewind 4-engined flying boat did enter service after the Martin Marlin, but the problematic Allison T-40 engines resulted in the 13 Tradewinds to be
grounded and all Tradewinds were scrapped by 1958.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/p5m1cutaway.jpg

[MReyn24050]

To fill the vacancy offered up by Woods and av8boy here is one to go one with.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz254.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

1930s, American?

[MReyn24050]

Correct on both accounts.
Mel

[windriver]

Ryan PT22 ?

[MReyn24050]

This one is not a Ryan.
Mel

[pigboat]

Luscombe Model 8?

[MReyn24050]

This one is not a Luscombe either.

[evansb]

Unusual throttles.. Windscreen frame is not substantial, therefore leading me to believe it is perhaps an open cockpit, side-by-side monoplane, with a side door?

[windriver]

Is it the WACO 10 ?

[MReyn24050]

Unusual throttles.. Windscreen frame is not substantial leading me to believe it is an open cockpit, side-by-side monoplane, with a side door?

You are correct in that it did have an open cockpit and had side-by-side seating. It also was a monoplane with a side doors,

Mel

[MReyn24050]

This bird is not a WACO.

[evansb]

Is it a rare Kinner Sportster?

[MReyn24050]

Is it a rare Kinner Sportster?
:D :D Well done. There is no beating you.:ok: It is indeed the Kinner B-1 Sportster N727W under restoration at MID-ATLANTIC AIR MUSEUM.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/KinnerB-1SportsterN727W.jpg
You regain control.
Mel

[evansb]

Thanks Mel! I enjoyed the research. I understand that Mr. Kinner is the holder of the original "swing-wing" stowage patent. I will be posting a new cockpit challenge by 0230Z(UTC).
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/KinnerSportster.jpg

[evansb]

Here is the next challenge.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/deutchlandz.jpg

[Speedpig]

Is 1666 the year it was built?







Sorry

[evansb]

Hoover vacuums and AM/MW crystal tuned wireless radios were the "bee's knees".

[Agaricus bisporus]

Metal 'frame. Centre mounted instrument panel. Six identical guages (fuel tanks?) Two control wheels. No windscreen. Wheels offset to see out the sides?

Ryan Monoplane as in Lindbergh?

[HappyJack260]

Here's picture www.geocities.com/.../Lab/4515/spirit.htmof the Ryan panel - so it can't be that.
Wonder whether perhaps it's a blimp or airship...

[Woods]

A swing-Barling Bomber. If correct, don't give me control yet until I've got this business figured out. Will you tolerate a few questions?
1. Is it possible to print any of this, such as BOAC's tips?
2. Some earlier pictures only show up as little x'x in little boxes. Is there a trick to seeing them?
3. I'm trying Photobucket, can the name of the subject be removed from the URL before posting?
Sorry to intrude with my ignorance. If there is a more appropriate time and place for this, please let mo know.:ugh: Woods

[MReyn24050]

I would agree with you and say it is the Wittemen-Lewis NBL-1 "Barling Bomber".
Reference your questions:-
1.It is possible to print BOAC's tips.Right click on the page in question and you can undertake a print review and print. However you might find it easier to copy and paste into Wordpad and then print.
2. Some earlier pictures only show up as little x'x in little boxes. Is there a trick to seeing them? - No, it means they have been removed from their source.
3. I'm trying Photobucket, can the name of the subject be removed from the URL before posting?
- Best way is to record them in a Excel file and give them a seperate reference and store the image against that reference. Then when loading into photobucket there is no reference to the original aircraft.
4. Should you require an updated list of aircraft presented to date PM me with your email address
Mel

[evansb]

Woods is correct.:ok: It is indeed the Barling bomber.
Well done.:D This forum is now open to any and all ppruners to post the next cockpit challenge.
Cheers!

In 1922 it was the world's largest aircraft. Three wings. eight wheels, six engines.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/barling.jpg

[Akubra]

Here is cringe's list that is valid until page 18 of this thread.
http://www.geocities.com/cringe2007/list.htm
MReyn24050 has been keeping a record since as cringe has been absent.
I will PM you my email Mel as the list has grown considerably since page 18.

Heres one to keep the ball rolling (Please let me know if its been posted before)

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/VPHG90.jpg

[windriver]

Is it a Junkers Ju52?

[seacue]

BTW, Walter Barling of the bomber fame was a British expat.

The bomber fared at least a little better than the similar Tarrant Tabor which he design while in Britain. It crashed during takeoff for its first flight.

[Akubra]

Not a JU52 Windriver.
Seems photobouquet is down which doesn't help anyone very much.
If someone wants to host it for me or post up another, please feel free.
Edit: The image is showing again :ok:

(I have edited out everything but the panel and control column. If there is no response then I will include the rest of the cabin apart from the rudder peddles which have the manufacturers name on them)

[MReyn24050]

WACO AQC-8 perhaps?
Mel

[Akubra]

You are half right Mel but not the AQC.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/VPHG901.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Ok Stephen if not the AQC how about a YOC?
Mel

[Akubra]

Sorry, Its not a YOC
I was surprised to see only one other Waco has been posted in this thread.

Hint: 21 were made and 13 were used by the USAAF.