What Cockpit? MK V

[windriver]

thanks evansb.. great cockpit challenge,thanks. But the name of the manufacturer kind of gave the game away... :sad: The thrill of the chase and all that....

Here's another homebuilt...... the aircraft has no name so to identify the aircraft I need.

1. The name of the Pilot
2. The Horsepower Of The Engine

and for a bonus point the identity of the other person just visible in the picture.

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/7892.jpg

[evansb]

Is it Geoffrey de Havilland at the controls of a Farman F.E.1?
Is the man on the right his brother-in-law, Frank Hearle?
Is the aircraft powered by a four-cylinder 45-hp water-cooled engine?

[Kitbag]

I think that the naming of the ac is interesting here. It was de Havilland Biplane No 2 as first flown until purchased by the War Office for 400 quid who renamed it Farman Experimental 1 (FE1). This was not a series built aircraft but a unique one off (FF 10 Sept 1910, BER 15 Aug 1911) engine being a de Havilland Iris.

[evansb]

Yes, I was going to identify the aircraft as a F.E.1 clone, as de Havilland built the craft as close as he could, given the plans and materials of the day. It is surely not a D.H.1, nor a true D.H.2, therefore it is most probably a Farman clone. How did I do on the other questions?

[windriver]

Mmmm... A close run thing, but evansb takes it - according to my info it's not a Farman FE1 as such.:ok:

kitbag's supplementary info completes story in the challenge, but lost points on a technicality for not agreeing about the engine HP and Frank Hearle in his post....:ouch:



http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/dh.jpg

Geoffrey de Havilland at the controls of his first successful machine a pusher biplane with 45 h.p. engine, built in 1910. With him is his assistant F.T.Hearle, in 1951 Chairman of the de Havilland Aircraft Company.

evansb you have control

[MReyn24050]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/DeHavvillandsF.jpg
As is well known Geoffrey de Havilland, the son of a clergyman, was born in High Wycombe in 1882. As a young man he designed and built steam cars and motorcycles. With a £1,000 gift from his grandfather, de Havilland began work on his first plane in 1908.
In a rented workshop off Bothwell street Fulham and with the assistance of F.T. Hearle he built a wire braced biplane with front elevator and bicycle wheel undercarriage. His young wife made the cotton covering on a hand sewing machine and the engine mounted at right angles to the fuselage drove two aluminium propellers through bevel gearing. In 1909 it was taken to Seven Barrow on the North Hampshire Downs and erected in a shed recently vacated by J.T.C Moore Brabazon . The first flight was delayed due to unsuitable weather, when the day came, de Havilland took off downhill and became airborne briefly before the port wing failed and the aircraft wrecked fortunately without serious injury to the pilot.
In his second aircraft spars were made of straight grained spruce and ash, the engine was mounted normally to drive a single pusher propeller. A successful quarter mile flight was made at Seven Barrow on the 10th Sept 1910 and was followed by figure eights, a first passenger flight for Hearle and in October for his wife and 8 month old son Geoffrey.
On the 14th Jan 1911 the aircraft was purchased by the War Office and was used by de Havilland to qualify for Royal Aero Club Certificate No.53 on the 7th Feb 1911 .The aircraft became known as the F.E.1

[evansb]

Here is the next "what cockpit?"
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/panel.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Rotary Wing for sure.
Mel

[windriver]

I`m intrigued by the rectangular panel above the radio stack?

[Tiger_mate]

It is a single engined civilian helicopter with throttle control rather then a fuel computer. My inital guess would be a FAIRCHILD HILLER MODEL FH-1100

The rear hinged pilots door is possibly unique.

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Fairchild Hiller FH-1100. The vacant panel in military versions is for additional comm. equipment. In the civilian version, I believe the space was used for stowage.

[Akubra]

Cessna CH-1?
Actually, I'm positive its an ex military CH-1 because of the Guardian B8 control grip and the missing glove box lid. So it might be called the YH-41 Seneca, but still the same aircraft.

Will post a new CP soon.

[windriver]

YH-41
and for a bonus point 56-4244

[Akubra]

Seems the CAC Wirraway had been posted back in 2005.
Oh well...
Feel free to post up a challenge anyone!

[India Four Two]

Thanks, Akubra.

Continuing with the Rotary Theme:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/whatcockpit13May-1.jpg

This aircraft is reportedly being restored to airworthy condition!

[Kitbag]

Not a Seaking variant ?

[India Four Two]

Not a Seaking variant ?

The grammatically correct answer to your question is Yes ;)

[MReyn24050]

Aerospatiale SA-321 Super Frelon perhaps?

[India Four Two]

Mel,

I would have said Sud Aviation :), but that's the one. Specifically it is SAAF 302, photos by Brian Spurr:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/05SF3021.jpg



I found these pictures at http://www.saairforce.co.za/news05.htm 12 Oct 2005 Entry. Further pictures and information in the 24 November 2005 entry. I hope those are inert rounds lying on the ground.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that Simon. Good find, as you say when the aircraft was designed and built it was Sud Aviation. This aircraft was somewhat bigger and older than the Super Frelon.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz260.jpg
Mel

[Kitbag]

Probably way off here but it puts me in mind of the Martin M130 flying boat.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Martin M130. I would not say you were way off as the design was in the same era as the Martin aircraft.
Mel

[seacue]

Seems like a Sikorsky S-43 - dual set of throttles for the two engines.

[MReyn24050]

Not a Sikorsky I am afraid.
Mel

[windriver]

Dornier D0 26?

[evansb]

Consolidated PB2Y Coronado
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Coronado.jpg

[MReyn24050]

:) Well done Bri:ok: It is the Consolidated PB2Y Coronado :D
You have control

[evansb]

More nostalgia
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/terimite.jpg

[windriver]

Piper PA22 series... early Colt - Tripacer

[MReyn24050]

Bellanca Cruisemaster 14-13-2 or 14-19-2 perhaps?

[evansb]

Mel, you are correct:ok: It is a Bellanca 14-13-2 Cruisair. Notice the landing gear crank. Over to you.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/belan01.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri. Here is the next one. Here is your chance windriver.
I am sure this will go in a flash.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz261.jpg
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Looks like:
Biplane
In line engine
Early Bendix instruments so possibly US
Not DH or Stampe
or am I on totally the wrong track?

[windriver]

Here is your chance windriver

This ones got me baffled... I tend to agree with larssnowpharter except I have a feeling it might be a fifties model of some sort... The magneto switches ought to give a clue.

Is this a European aircraft?

[Kitbag]

Still on instruments the compass looks to be similar to the British P8 as fitted to early Spitfires and Hurricanes

[MReyn24050]

larssnowpharter stated:-
Looks like:
Biplane
In line engine
Early Bendix instruments so possibly US
Not DH or Stampe
Yes it is a Biplane
Yes it has an In-line engine
It is not a US aircraft
Agreed not a DH or Stampe
Windriiver asked:-
Is this a European aircraft
Yes it is European as Britain is part of Europe,but not a fifties aircraft

[asw28-866]

The odd looking cabane strut position reminds me of the Arrow Active?

ASW28

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft is not the Arrow Active I am afraid but was about the same era.

[India Four Two]

Avro Avian?

[windriver]

Can I rule out a de Havilland type?

[MReyn24050]

Well done :ok: :D
It is the Avro Avian Southern Cross Junior (G-ABCF) in which Sir Charles Kingsford Smith in 1930 (9-19 October) broke Hinkler's 1928 15 1/2-day record solo flight from England to Australia in a time of 9 days 22 hours (London - Darwin) .
Route: London - Rome - Athens - Aleppo - Bushire - Karachi - Allahabad - Rangoon - Singapore - Surabaya - Atamboea (Timor) - Darwin - Cloncurry - Brisbane - Sydney.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/SouthernCrossJuniorAvroAvian.jpg
You have control
Mel

[India Four Two]

Mel,

Is that an original Avro panel or was it custom fitted for Kingsford-Smith? Except for the compass, it has a very US look to it.

I don't have a suitable picture ready. First come, first served.

[Kitbag]

Maybe the Hawker Hart Trainer

[Tiger_mate]

A quick one to tide you over. Mel is not allowed to do this one.
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/fuselage.jpg

[India Four Two]

Reminds me of Thunderbird 2 ;) Wrong colour, though.

[MReyn24050]

Apparently the Avro Avian IVA in which Sir Charles Kingsford Smith broke the London-Darwin record was later used by Guy Lambton Menzies the Australian aviator when he undertook the first solo trans-Tasman flight, from Sydney, Australia to the West Coast of New Zealand, on 7 January 1931. It was Menzies who renamed the aircraft to the "Southern Cross Junior". Fearing he might be denied permission for the flight, Menzies informed the authorities and his family that he was flying to Perth. Instead, he left Sydney at 1 am on January 7th, 1931, and headed for Blenheim, New Zealand. Poor weather forced Menzies off course, and after 11 hours and 45 minutes he crash-landed upside-down in the La Fontaine Swamp near Hari Hari on New Zealand's west coast. Despite the unfortunate landing, he had broken Smith and Ulm's time by 2½ hours.The aircraft was then shipped back to Sydney but is reported to have crashed on the 12th April 1931and I believe written off.
IndiaFour Two asked:- Is that an original Avro panel or was it custom fitted for Kingsford-Smith? Except for the compass, it has a very US look to it.
I personally am unable to answer that question, I should imagine it was a custom built panel to suit Sir Charles Kingsford-Smith. Can anyone advise?

[Kitbag]

Douglas DC 8? :confused:

[MReyn24050]

As requested I will stand down on this one. Please check PMs.
Mel

[Tiger_mate]

Thanks Mel, I knew that as it is in your back garden you would know what it was. Not a DC8, and sadly very unique.

[Kitbag]

It'll be the Avro Ashton then at Newark :)

[evansb]

Unique, yes, but very similar to Avro Canada's C-102 Jetliner, the cockpit of which is all that remains, and it is on display at Canada's National Museum of Flight in Ottawa.

[Tiger_mate]

Kitbag has it, for it is the last remains of the Avro Ashton, descendent of the 1945 Avro Tudor.
http://avia.russian.ee/pictures/england/avro_ashton.jpg
Only the fuselage remains and it is kept in open storage; Not conducive to longevity.
The Ashton was a jet powered taildragger, whereas the very similar Avro Canada had 'conventional' undercarriage for an aeroplane of this size.
http://www.ahfc.org/Events/Jetliner_55th/C-102_2.JPG

[Woods]

Does anyone have a picture of the Inside of the Ashton coclpit. I've been looking for this (among others) for ages.
Woods:bored:_

[Tiger_mate]

I have to go to Cranwell on Jun 5 so will try and get one if nobody comes up with one meanwhile. I got the museum in question their pretty red Wessex nose door a few years ago so I am sure a little payback would not go amiss. It is not open to the public normally.

[Kitbag]

TVM. This is a little more recent:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/CCI00001-1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I have a copy of a photograph of the cockpit of an Avro Ashton Mk1. I could publish it or leave it for a later quiz.How do people feel?
Mel

[windriver]

NDN1 Firecracker?

Re the Ashton pic.. prefer you save it for a later quiz.

[Kitbag]

Windriver has it one! :D

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/CCI00003.jpg

[windriver]

I happened to recognise it, but there can`t be that many modern aircraft of that class with a piston engine. There's a Firecracker still active at a US Test Pilots School I believe.

On a more gentle note.. I came across this today..

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/wc906.jpg

(My server is being upgraded this week, so this image may not available temporarily)

[jabberwok]

DH95 Flamingo.

Open house if I'm right.

[windriver]

jabberwock has it :ok:

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/dh95.jpg

DH95 Flamingo. The first all metal aircraft from de Havilland.


Open house

[RETDPI]

"The Ashton was a jet powered taildragger," :hmm:

[Kitbag]

Tudor = jet powered taildragger
Ashton = Tricycle u/c

We all knew that though, didn't we?

[MReyn24050]

Avro Ashton
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/AvroAshtonMk1.jpg
Avro Tudor 8
Flight trials of the Tudor 8 with paired Rolls-Royce Nene in single nacelles showed the need for tricycle undercarriage to keep the jet s clear from the ground when taxing.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/AvroTudor8.jpg
The Tudor 9 was to have a tricycle u/c, however this type was not proceded with and the MoS placed an order with Avro for six somewhat similar research aircraft known as the Avro 706 Ashtons, they untilised the Tudor 2 airframe with thicker skins and shortened to Tudor 1 length.

[seacue]

He's an older one. I'll remove it if someone beats me in posting.
http://users.erols.com/rcarpen/Q0513.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Flying boat perhaps 1920/30s?
Mel

[seacue]

Amphibian, 1920s. But that makes it too easy.

[windriver]

But that makes it too easy Not for me it doesn`t!

Vickers Viking?

[seacue]

Not Vickers.

[MReyn24050]

Please PMs

[larssnowpharter]

Probably way off track here (not unusual!) but could this be an early US 'boat'?
Immediately post war or 20's?
3 engines?
Similar to the NC-4 or - later - P2M?

[seacue]

US
mid-late 1920s
one engine
much more modern than the NC-4

[Kitbag]

One from the Supermarine yard?

[larssnowpharter]

such as the Sea Eagle?

[seacue]

Not British.

Used by at least two airlines.

I'll be away from the computer later in the day but will try to log in every couple of hours.

seacue

[Kitbag]

Sikorsky S39?

[seacue]

Not Sikorsky.

One of the airlines was short-lived. The other lasted for decades.

[windriver]

The other lasted for decades PanAm perhaps?

[seacue]

Not PanAm, but the correct country for both airlines.

Fires near a terminus of one route have been in the news recently.

[MReyn24050]

Would Keystone have anything to do with this aircraft?
Mel

[seacue]

Mel,

VERY warm, though the cockpit shown came from before Keystone was involved.

seacue

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that, I am sure that certainly will get the brain cells working ;)

[evansb]

Loening C-2H?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/loening.jpg

[MReyn24050]

As evansb states the Loening C-2H as operated by Western Air Express and Catalina air Lines.

[seacue]

The caption on the picture said Loening c-2-c, but I'll give evansb full credit.
I was thinking of Western Air Express serving Catalina and Thompson Airlines which ran service between Detroit and Cleveland. Thompson was related to Thompson Products which made engine bits.

There is a Keystone Loening ad showing the Western Air Express plane.
I'll post a couple of pictures when I get to my own computer.

evansb, the field is yours.

http://users.erols.com/rcarpen/a0513.jpg
http://users.erols.com/rcarpen/a0513a.jpg

seacue

(pictures added)

[evansb]

Thanks seacue. That was a good challenge. Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/nihon.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Finnish Aircraft - a version of the VL Tuisku possibly?

[evansb]

Mel, not a Tuisku. This is a monoplane.

[MReyn24050]

From your response I take it I was correct in country of origin, how about the VL Pyry?

[evansb]

Spot on Mel:ok: :DIt is the Finnish VL Pyry-II, specifically airframe number 35.
Over to you.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/py35pyry.jpg

[windriver]

Finnish Aircraft

I`m intrigued.... what was it about that cockpit that "said" Finnish?

[Kitbag]

Yeah Mel, I agree with Windriver. How do you get to limited production, though long lived, small industry aircraft so quickly? :hmm:

[MReyn24050]

Why Finnish?
Several of the instruments I had seen before on a version of the VL Tuisku belonging to the Finnish air Force. I first thought this aircraft was a later version of the Tuisku. However the instrument which made me think it was definitly a Finnish VL aircraft was the gyro compass, at least I think it is a gyro compass, {centre lower part of the panel}. I do not recall seeing this instrument on other aircraft.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one for the night shift.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz264.jpg
Mel

[Kitbag]

I'm not so sure it is a gyrocompass (though what else it may be I haven't a clue) A quick google image search shows mainly binnacle type instruments. Could it be an early Flight Director or homing beacon device?

[MReyn24050]

I am sure you are correct in it not being a gyro compass and I think it is a type of magnetic compass.

[Kitbag]

Possibly, maybe someone out there will know?

As for the current challenge- French origin?

[windriver]

I have no idea where to start on this one.. but it does look as though it has been designed or modified to perform a particular role. I`m wondering if the devices in front of, and to the left of the windshield are relevant. Also there is a push button switch on the right that looks as though it ought to do something - camera perhaps?

What was the role of this aircraft?

[MReyn24050]

Kitbag
French origin?
Sorry for the delay, this aircraft was not French.
windriver
What was the role of this aircraft?
Originally built as an unarmed military reconnaissance and a later version for carrying passengers. However this is the cockpit of the reconnaissance version.
I`m wondering if the devices in front of, and to the left of the windshield are relevant.
The devices in the front of the windshield are part of the engine, tothe left is a guage the flash of the camera appears to have been reflected of the bezel.

[Kitbag]

Shot in the dark here - Albatross BII?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Albatross BII. This particular aircraft was a licence built version of a similar aircraft to the Albatross BII but, this particular aircraft, was built several years after the date the Albatross was built.
Mel

[windriver]

I`m working my way through French Aviation Museum exhibits.... should I continue?

[evansb]

Czech Aero Ae.10, licence built Hansa-Brandenburg B.1 (pictured)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Hansa-BrandenburgB.jpg

[MReyn24050]

:ok: It is the Czech Aero Ae.10
You have control
windriver
Sorry didnt get chance to answer your question.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. The Czech Aero Ae.10 was very similar to the Ae.01. To add to the confusion, the Czech A.10 was a completely different aircraft, but was on the scene while Ae.10s were active. Also, the Ae.10 was sometimes referred to as the Brandenburg 14.

Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/original.jpg

[windriver]

Meta Sokol something...

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Meta Sokol. It is a low wing monoplane, but otherwise you are some distance away.

windriver, to clarify, the aircraft is not European in origin.

[windriver]

It's like they asked the new boy to design the panel with anything they could find at an aerojumble...

Piston engined.. (Lycoming at a guess)
Aerobatic
Civil
2 seat tandem
US

Anything out of 5?

[aviate1138]

Evansb said
"Sorry, not a Meta Sokol. It is a low wing monoplane, but otherwise you are some distance away."


Aviate1138 ponders......
New Zealand area maybe?

[MReyn24050]

aviate 1138
This aircraft did not originate in NZ
windriver
You are score is
3 out of 5
Piston engined.. Yes but I do not think this is the version with a Lycoming
Aerobatic No
Civil Yes
2 seat tandem No
US Yes
Mel

[windriver]

Why the ambitious (accelerometer?) for a low speed non aerobatic aircraft. Must be a clue to its role here.

Also intrigued by the great lump of (non magnetic I hope) metal next to the compass.

The Throttle and Mixture controls look 60's Cessna... RR Continental Powered?

Is this a prototype?

[MReyn24050]

windriver
Why the ambitious (accelerometer?) for a low speed non aerobatic aircraft. Must be a clue to its role here.[/I]
I do not wish to mislead you but the aircraft, that I think this is, was not designed as an areobatic aircraft.
[I]Also intrigued by the great lump of (non magnetic I hope) metal next to the compass.
The panel that matches this panel is identical except for a few differences and certainly does not have the large silver coloured "lever" you are referring to.
The Throttle and Mixture controls look 60's Cessna... RR Continental Powered?
The engine of the version I think this is did have a Contnental engine.
Is this a prototype?
I do not think that this is the prototype but it has had modifictions to the original aircraft I am sure.
I am basing these answers on the aircraft I believe it is, I do not wish to give the answer but give others a chance. I am 99% certain I know the aircraft.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Perchance a Mooney Mite?

[evansb]

larssnowpharter, you are correct.:ok: It is a Mooney M-18 Mite. Well done.:D The chrome crank handle is for adjusting the propellor pitch. An
option available on certain engines. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/N85PM.jpg

[evansb]

Nearly 24 hours has passed since the last thread, so if anyone has a cockpit photo to post, please feel free to do so..:) While waiting,
if you are wondering about the red-tagged gear warning device on the Mite's panel, it wig-wags when the throttle is closed while the aircraft is airborne if the gear is up. The Mite was originally certified for a 25-hp water-cooled Crosley automobile engine.
The Mite has a unique combined flap-trim control, as shown in the photo. http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/MiteTrimControl.jpg

[Kitbag]

This is a bit unusual, early cold war

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/CCI00005.jpg

The front of the aircraft is to the right of the picture.

[BSD]

Bell X-5 ?

BSD.

[Kitbag]

Not the X5, this one is a tad bigger

[evansb]

Was it a British research or experimental aircraft?

[Kitbag]

Nope, it wasn't British.

[RETDPI]

Did BSD mean X-3?

[Kitbag]

I don't know. I did wonder myself, but it wouldn't make any difference

[Akubra]

North American XB-70?

Edit: Incorrect... Just found a photo of the Valkyrie's cockpit.
Is that forward view monitor I see?

[thetexpat]

Douglas X-3:hmm: ?

[evansb]

Republic XF-103?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/xf103.jpg

[Kitbag]

:Devansb has it. Apologies for delay, lost my net collection for most of the morning.

The Republic XF 103 failed because the highly complex J67 turbojet/ramjet combination, a derivative of the Olympus, couldn't deliver adequate thrust. If you look at the pic again on the top right hand side you can see the type of view provided by the wide angle periscope which was the only forward vision available to the pilot. He was to have been provided with a 'supersonic escape pod' the top half of which was normally slid down. Only the basic flying controls were provided within the enclosure, which was deemed essential given the projected maximum speed of Mach 5. In best Gerry Anderson fashion the escape capsule also provided the means of entry to the aircraft. Due to the sheer size of the machine (a habit of Republic) the design was severely criticised for lack of access for maintenance and rearming.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/CCI00006.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks Kitbag, I truly enjoyed the challenge! Here is the next cockpit:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/chinaBlue.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Italian 1940s. 100% certain of the aircraft but I will now keep quite. Check PMs please Bri
Mel

[Kitbag]

I think its Italian too

Macchi C 200 Saetta?

[evansb]

Yes, it is Italian. Sorry, not a Macchi.

[Kitbag]

Stretching a bit- Fiat G50 Freccia?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Fiat G.50 Freccia. The aircraft was not as successful as the G.50, however the company that designed the aircraft was associated with Fiat.

More clues: The aircraft failed to achieve its original design goals, so it was adapted for a different role.

[larssnowpharter]

Aplogies for being away; one has to work occasionally!!

The wig wag warning system mentioned was – so rumour has it – installed after Al Mooney landed wheels up on a demo flight. Some versions had a little plexiglass window in the floor so that the pilot could see the nosewheel. Have also read of a military version – armed would you believe!

[larssnowpharter]

Bears a great resemblance to the CR 42

[Kitbag]

How about the Breda BA65?

[evansb]

Sorry, it is not a Fiat CR.42, nor is it a Breda BA.65. The aircraft in question never entered active military service, nor did it enter into serial
production. It was originally designed as an operational trainer.

[larssnowpharter]

Could it be the CANSA FC12

[MReyn24050]

Hope you have got one ready.

[evansb]

Spot on larssnowpharter!:ok: Well done.:D The CANSA (Construzioni Aeronautiche Novaresi S.A.) F.C.12 first flew in October of 1940. Intended as an operational trainer for dive-bombing, it was later modified for a light attack role.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/CANSAfc12ITUFF.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

Thank you. Some interesting research to find that one. It finally came to me when I recalled seeing some photos of the factory at Cameri which is now an IAF base. Cameri is near Novara about 50 miles from Turin hence the heavy FIAT (Fabbrica Italiana Automobili di Torino) influence.

Here is the next one:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpit.jpg

[windriver]

Piper Colt?

[Mr_Grubby]

American ?
Piper ?

C.

[larssnowpharter]

American: Yes
Piper: No

[MReyn24050]

How about a Stinson 108-1(Voyager)?

[larssnowpharter]

You are right, Mel. Well done. :ok::D
A delightful little tourer.
You have control
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/st-2.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that larssnowpharter. Here is the next one I am sure this will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz265.jpg
Mel

[Kitbag]

Early Lake amphibian- Skimmer C1?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was not an amphibian.
Mel

[windriver]

Is this a glider? - If not does it feature an unusual power source.. eg small gas turbine.. or a rocket even.

[MReyn24050]

It is not a glider was powered by a standard piston aeroengine. I should add the aircraft did not get past the prototype stage.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Would this machine perchance have a rotary wing?

[MReyn24050]

It is a Rotary wing :)

[larssnowpharter]

I would like to rule out that funny little Enstrom prototype that was built years ago when the company was shut. No idea if it was even named. The panel has a very unfinished 'feel' to it.

Suspect it is some form of gyrocopter or similar, though.

[MReyn24050]

It is not an Enstrom and as you quite rightly suggest it was not a conventional helicopter. The example shown was the one and only prototype.

[windriver]

The Cw-105f Twin-rotor Helicopter

[MReyn24050]

It is the CW-105 :ok::D
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cw105f-color.jpg
From the brochure:-
"The fascinating CW-105F was designed, built and first flown in Europe*. This gorgeous helicopter, with its Lamborghini-style doors, its unusual (for a small helicopter) intermeshing twin-rotor system and its overall brilliance, is unique. Beyond what is presented in the photos, blueprints and specs, it retains an air of mystery. Yet this huge blueprint set is among the most sophisticated and well-engineered that we have ever offered.
The CW-105F is a true helicopter and will therefore take off and land vertically, hover and fly forward, backward and sideward. Its counterrotating dual rotor system cancels torque, eliminating the need for a tail rotor and allowing clean, sweeping body lines as can be seen in the photos. The sophisticated rotor system provides both cyclic and collective control. The CW-105F has been designed to carry 2 people."
* However I have been unable to find a photograph of it flying.
You have control

[windriver]

[quote]However I have been unable to find a photograph of it flying./QUOTE]
I couldn`t either which seems a shame as the pre built components for the kit version look really well constructed...


Here's an easy one....


http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/g78p.jpg

[Kitbag]

Edgely Optica?

[windriver]

Correct! :ok:

An aircraft that probably deserved a better future... but there are a couple of flying I believe.

Your turn Kitbag...

[Kitbag]

OK more a case of luck than judgement, just the bit of wing convinced me it wasn't a rotary type.

Anyway, have a look at this one, taken during the build of this aircraft:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/CCI00007.jpg

And yes it did fly!

[windriver]

British..Military.. late forties early fifties... Percival Aircraft pehaps?

[Kitbag]

It was built for the Air Ministry, so carried British military markings. Interestingly, and something I hadn't fully appreciated is that the aircraft was designed, built and flown during the war years.
Oh and by the way...









it's not a Percival design

[evansb]

Armstrong-Whitworth AW52?

[Kitbag]

Evansb is as close as makes no difference. The aircraft was the AW52G:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/AW52g-1.jpg
Taken on 3 Mar 1945, day after its first flight

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/AW52G.jpg

G denoted glider, note no engine instruments or throttles in the cockpit. The AW52 was twice the size (AW52G wing span 53' 10", length 19' 4". AW52 wing span 90', length 37' 4") and had a pair of Nenes pushing it along. The AW52 was to have been a 1/2 scale proof of concept for a flying wing airliner. If you compare the figure in the first and last photos you'll get an idea of how big this was actually going to be!
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/AW52.jpg

You have control evansb :)

[evansb]

Thanks Kitbag! Yes I should have specified the -52g.
Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/whatcockpit.jpg

[Kitbag]

Sedburgh T21?

[evansb]

Kitbag, the aircraft in question is not a glider, and is older than the Sedbergh T21.

[larssnowpharter]

WW1 Vintage, pusher

Possibly Farman Shorthorn

[Kitbag]

I disagree with Lars, think its much later. How about the front seat of one of those crude P59 conversions? Certainly think its dual control anyway. (Waits patiently to be shot down in flames:\)

[evansb]

larssnowpharter is correct:ok: It is indeed a Farman S-11 Shorthorn. The aircraft first flew in France in late 1913. The unarmed reconnaissance and light bomber was built under licence in both Britain and Italy. It was adopted by the air forces of Australia, Belgium, Britain, France, Italy and Russia. Over to you.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FarmanS-11Shorhorn.jpg

[evansb]

Looks like Lars has gone to work. Anyone like to post a cockpit photo in his absence?:)

[windriver]

Looks like Lars has gone to work

..... A simple one to fill in until he returns...

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/cd320.jpg

[oncemorealoft]

Is it an Airspeed Ambassador?

[MReyn24050]

Sud Ouest SO.30P " Bretagne" perhaps?

[windriver]

Correct it's the Bretagne...:ok: In 1952 it could have been yours for £155,000 Ex factory compared with the Ambassador at £230,000 and the Convair 340 at £240,000...

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/bretagne.jpg

Your turn...

[larssnowpharter]

This is my challenge:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz5.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

I shall be away for a day or two earning a crust. I have asked Mel to judge this one which has lasted far longer than I thought it would!

[windriver]

Not at all sure about this but it looks British and Radial Engined?
Pobjoy power perhaps.

[MReyn24050]

Wrong on all three accounts I am sorry to say. This aircraft is not British,the engine is not a Radial Engine and not by Pobjoy.
Mel

[Kitbag]

I'll dip a toe in here- Klemm 35?

[MReyn24050]

kitbag
The water is very cold, this one is not a Klemm.
Mel

[evansb]

Yeoman Cropmaster?

[MReyn24050]

It is not the Yeoman Cropmaster I am afraid.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

When kitbag asked if it was a Klemm, he was in the right part of the Continent.
Mel

[evansb]

A motor glider of European origin?

[MReyn24050]

It certainly is.
Mel

[evansb]

Scheibe SF-24?

[MReyn24050]

evansb
:ok::D Well done, on behalf of ilarssnowphartert, is the Scheibe SF-24B.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/1090409.jpg
You have control
Mel

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. I determined that the full name is the Motor Spatz Scheibe SF-24B. I will be posting a new cockpit photo by 2145 UTC. Cheers.:)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Motorspatz-I.jpg

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/squeeze.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Lockheed XV-4B Hummingbird II perhaps?
Mel

[evansb]

Correct, Mel:ok: :DThe experimental VTOL aircraft was not a success, even after being re-engined. Only two examples were built, both crashed.
You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/xv4a_01.jpg

[Kitbag]

When kitbag asked if it was a Klemm, he was in the right part of the Continent


Aargh! Donner und blitzen Mel. When you said the water was very cold I went to the other side of the Atlantic thinking that it had been imported to Europe 'cos of the garden wall & car! :sad:

(still wouldn't have found that one though, good spot evansb :D)

[Woods]

question,somebody--does the challenge of an external picture such as the
XV-48 cockpit, count as that aircraft having been used? Could an internal picture of the cockpit still be entered. Excuse for butting into thethread.

woods:confused:



























x

[MReyn24050]

kitbag.
My sincere apologies if my response to your toe dipping exercise misled you. My answer was possibly blurred by a good bottle of red.

woods. You asked:-
Does the challenge of an external picture such as the
XV-48 cockpit, count as that aircraft having been used? Could an internal picture of the cockpit still be entered?

Not at all if you have a photograph of the panel etc and the external shot of aircraft has already been used then please use it. I am sure others will agree.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

A nice easy one for a Saturday afternoon.My apologies for it not being a little clearer.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz266.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

Boeing F4B
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/BoeingF4B.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

Agree with evansb: Boeing P12/F4B-1

[larssnowpharter]

Here's another to keep things going:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/whatcockpit10.jpg

[evansb]

Helio Courier?

[larssnowpharter]

You are correct evansb! :D:ok:
If I were to win the lottery this would be my choice of personal transport back home.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz4.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/HelioKVanW-Mangali.jpg
The second strip is 660 ft long

[MReyn24050]

evansb you were correct it was the Boeing P12/F4B-1:ok:
Mel

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/melon.jpg

[Kitbag]

Plunging in headfirst this time- Hughes 500?

[treadigraph]

The Seeker SB7 from Orstralia...
If correct, can somebody else leap in please, I have no cards to hand...

[evansb]

treadigraph is correct.:ok: :DWell done. The obscure, well-designed Seabird Seeker was designed in Australia in 1989. A joint production venture with Jordan was entered in 2002. A few Seekers were sold to Iraq.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/SeabirdSeeker.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Well done treaders !!!!
Am I right in saying that is a first !!
No longer a What Cockpit Virgin.
Good on you.

Clint.

[treadigraph]

Thanks chaps, though I think I got one once before Mr G! But it's so long ago that I've forgotten...

Have to admit that while I knew what the aeroplane I was thinking about looked like and its origins, I had absolutely no idea what it was called... But Google is magic!

Can someone else take command please?

[MReyn24050]

Mr_Grubby you are being a little unkind on our treadigraph, he has actually scored a total of 10 wins,including this one,since you started this wonderful thread. His previous win was on the 17 Dec 2006 when he identified one of evanbs's challenge the Siai Machetti SM109.
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Treadigraph.

I am sorry sir, I do you an injustice. Please accept my apologies.

Clint.

[treadigraph]

No worries Mr G, to be honest I am amazed I've got as many as 10 (are you sure Mel?) - I think other people have nudged me in the right direction from time to time... Tis a great thread!

By the way, whither Ms Cringe?

[MReyn24050]

By the way, whither Ms Cringe?
She has not posted on this thread since 13 Feb 2007, however I see she posted on Jet blast on the 13 May 2007. So I am sure she is well, cringe's score is still one of the highest scores on this thread. Cringe, if you are reading this, please come back we all miss your skill and challenges.
I can confirm your score of 10 is correct.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Here's another:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz20.jpg

[BSD]

Bristol type 138A high altitude research single-seater by any chance?

BSD

[Kitbag]

A little further east perhaps? with a big orange blob on the side?

[evansb]

PZL P.11a, the type that scored the first allied victory over the Nazi Luftwaffe, on September 1,1939, by the Polish Air Force shooting down a Stuka.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/PZL.jpg

[Kitbag]

Sufferin' rufferin evansb!

I think the man has it! :D

Is he clairvoyant?

Can Lars confirm please?

http://www.wojsko18-39.internetdsl.pl/wrzesien/lotnictwo/pzl/pzl11ckab.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Tis true kitbag check the following:-
http://home.mit.bme.hu/~tade/pages/acpicts.htm
Captured or interned foreign aircraft (also from Péter Mujzer). It is a pity Lars edited the photograph though.

[windriver]

evansvb I`m impressed...

Pity the legends in Polish though I can`t understand any of it apart from number 31. :{

[MReyn24050]

Pedal hamulca = Pedal stops, as you say that was easy.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

I am impressed Mr Evansb:D:D You are indeed correct. I cut out the wing as I thought it was too much of a giveaway.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/pzl11.jpg
The only one I have heard of still 'alive' is in a museum in Krakov':
My aplogies for not being able to confirm earlier: different time zone.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/p11_4.jpg

[evansb]

Its a gift. Here is the next what cockpit?:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/MalteseFalcon.jpg

[Cpt_Pugwash]

The glazing reminds me of a Dornier flying boat, D0-24 perhaps, or even the D0-26?

[MReyn24050]

Cpt_Pugwash
You are correct in that it is a Flying Boat but not a Dornier.Evansb please check PMs.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Sikorsky S42?

[larssnowpharter]

or the s44?

[Cpt_Pugwash]

How about the Martin M-130?

[MReyn24050]

Capt Pugwash I think you will find that larssnowpharter has it i.e. the Sikorsky VS-44.
Mel

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/vs44.giflarssnowpharter has it!:ok: It is a Sikorsky VS-44 flying boat. Well done:D Over to you.

[larssnowpharter]

This should not cause any problems:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz21.jpg

[Kitbag]

Chinese Chengdu J-10?

[larssnowpharter]

Absolutely right! :ok: Well done that man! :D
You have control:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/j10_1_large.jpg

[Kitbag]

Sorry for the delay, anyway, thoughts on this one:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/pic01.jpg

[Cpt_Pugwash]

Probably way off the mark on this one, but is it a crop sprayer? Possibly the NDN-6 Fieldmaster.

[evansb]

Is this a U.S. built Naval aircraft of 1940s vintage?

[Kitbag]

Sorry Captain, certainly not agricultural in nature.

Yes evansbe it is American built, but never went to sea.

[evansb]

Vultee A-31 Vengeance?

[Kitbag]

That'll be evansbe correct again!:D

The Vultee Vengeance divebomber it is. Interestingly, whilst reading around this one it becomes clear that the A31 was destined only for export and after extensive development delays, the aircraft went to Britain and the Commonwealth. These aircraft were built almost exclusively by Northrop. The USAAC insisted on many detail changes such that the designation was changed to A35, however it did not manage to tick all the boxes so was eventually abadoned by the Americans.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/VulteeVengeance.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks Kitbag! That was a very good challenge. Here is the next What cockpit?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/nifty.jpg

[MReyn24050]

How about the predecessor to the SNCASE SE.161 Languedoc the Bloch 160?

[evansb]

Yes Mel, it is a Bloch 160.:ok: Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks evansb, it was the extra window below the normal side window together with the engine intruments, which are almost identical to those on the Languedoc, which led me to the Bloch 160.
New one to follow shortly.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Here is an easy one for a Saturday afternoon, I apologise that the image is not one of the best.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz268a.jpg
Mel

[Kitbag]

Nothing you put in is ever easy Mel :(

How about something along the lines of a Fairey Battle?

[MReyn24050]

:sad:Now that is not always true.:)
Not a the Fairey Battle this aircraft was a single seater.

[Spot 4]

It shares a lot of similarities with a Gladiator, so I would suggest British fighter, early WWII from the Gloster or Hawker stable.

I considered a BP Defiant but cannot find any references and in any case believe that it had no forward firing armanent.

[MReyn24050]

You are correct in your assumption that this aircraft is British and early WWII, however it is not from the Gloster, Hawker or Boulton Paul stables.

It was fitted with forward firing armanent.

Mel

[larssnowpharter]

It wouldn't be a Tornado would it?

[larssnowpharter]

One humbly requests permission to withdraw stupid suggestion having just seen that it is not from the Hawker stable!

[MReyn24050]

:)Permission granted. It is obvious our posts overlapped as the time shows.:)
Mel