What Cockpit? MK V

[MReyn24050]

This was Russian but had a much more conventional twin engine layout,for it's time that is.
Mel

[evansb]

Ilyushin IL-28 Beagle, possibly Nigerian Airforce.

[MReyn24050]

Bri. It was indeed the Ilyushin IL-28 Beagle.
You have control

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. The Russians claim the tail-mounted guns of the IL-28 surprised many rebels in Afghanistan. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Cockpit3.jpg

[Kitbag]

OK, to state the obvious, it's a biplane, radial engine, 'N' shaped cabane struts, unusual arrangement for armament, both guns seem to be assymetrically mounted (when fitted). There is a smallish fairing behind the pilot. I think this might be a pre 1916/7 design 'cos I can't see any sort of interrupter gear linkage andno obvious sighting equipment, unless that was mounted on the upper weapon. Wouldn't be a Dutch design would it?

[evansb]

Not a Dutch design. The aircraft first flew in mid-1917.

[pigboat]

Nieuport 28?

[evansb]

pigboat is correct. Built by the Societe Anonyme des Establisement Nieuport, the N.28 was an improvement on earlier models. Although highly manoeuverable, the French Air Service rejected the N.28 as inferior to the Spad XIII. The N.28 became the first operational fighter to be used by the American Expeditionary Force. It was flown by ace Capt. Eddie Rickenbacker. I think it was the best looking flying machine of World War I. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/NieuportN28.jpg

[pigboat]

A trim little airplane wasn't it?
I'll open the floor to anyone, since I'm a little short on pics at the moment.

[larssnowpharter]

I'll go along with that. The Nieport just looked 'right'.
Here's one just to keep things moving. I am sure it will not be on long:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz201.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

Sorry, guys. I didn't think this would cause problems and it has been up a while now and had quite a few views if the counter is working right. I have asked Mel to adjudicate so that I may go and earn a crust.

[evansb]

Yakovlev Yak-12, NATO code name Creek. Your example appears to have a modified panel incorporating western avionics. See the earlier panel below:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/yak_12m.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Bri I would say that that was close enough. From larssnowpharter's PM :-
It is PZL 101; basically a development of the YAK 12M
Mel

[evansb]

Thank you. I stand corrected. I check it was a PZL-101 Gawron (Rook). Here is the next challenge. If you can identify the pilots, you can probably identify the aircraft, and vice versa.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/2guysaPlane-1.jpg

[windriver]

I`ll bite....

Alcock & Brown... Vickers Vimy???

[evansb]

Sorry, not Alcock & Brown, nor the Vickers Vimy.

[pigboat]

Curtiss model F?

If that's correct, open the floor 'cause I'm off to bed. :p:zzz:

[evansb]

Sorry pigboat, not the Curtiss F. Sleep well, mariner.

[evansb]

Clue: The aircraft broke a pre-existing record for its class in distance and speed.

[evansb]

More clues: The men formed an aircraft company that built many types of aircraft. A 1/4 scale RC model of the aircraft pictured is on display at a museum. The model has a wing span of 18 feet.

[jabberwok]

Is it Italian?

[evansb]

Not Italian. Not European.

[windriver]

It is American isn`t it..?

[evansb]

Yes, it is American.

[evansb]

More clues: The photo was taken in 1918. It was the first aircraft built by the men's company.

[windriver]

I`m trying to find a connection with Curtiss - Wright or Loening? Is there one :-)

[evansb]

The men were subcontracted by Curtiss for a brief period. It is not Loening nor the Wright brothers..

[larssnowpharter]

That will be the Lockheed (Lougheed) Brothers; probably the F1. They had a connection with Curtis in that they built the HS 2 L under contract to the USN.

[larssnowpharter]

Here is something more modern:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/whatcockpit202.jpg

[evansb]

larssnowpharter is correct.:ok: Well done.:D The Loughhead brothers, Malcolm (left) and Allan (right) are seated in the Loughead F-1 Flying Boat. After a record breaking flight from Santa Barbara to San Diego, the U.S. Navy expressed an interest in the aircraft. Tired of customers mispronouncing their names, in 1921 they changed the name to Lockheed.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/LougheadF.1.jpg

[evansb]

Lars, check your personal messages.

[MReyn24050]

Twin engine? 1960s era perhaps.
mel

[windriver]

Ted Smith Aerostar?

[larssnowpharter]

It is not the Aerostar; it is a twin; it is an evolution of an aircraft that first flew in the late 50s so it is fair to say of 60s vintage.

[Woods]

Is this the Mauraine-Soulnier(sp) M-S 760 Paris II? If it is,have we had it before and if so, what page and post. Also, if so, I'm unable to post a new one, so the floor would be open, if so. Woods

[larssnowpharter]

It is not the Paris 2. The Paris II was featured 1 Mar 2006. However, you are very, very close. The aircraft is the Paris III of which there was only one example built. It had a different cockpit layout and was a 5 seater. The aircraft was in service with Aerospatiale until recently. The aircraft is recorded as being in storage at Reims Prunay.
well done:D
I'll leave the floor open.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/paris3side.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/paris3a.jpg

[Woods]

In trying to locat the Paris II picture for comparison, I find many pictures are reduced to a little "x" in a box. Are these pictures recoverable?:confused:
Puzzled, Woods

[MReyn24050]

It means that the photograph link has been removed possibly because the poster has removed that photograph from its storage location. I am certain they are not recoverable unless the poster can copy it to you.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Here a a few shots of the Paris 2 for comparison. They vary and I am not sure if any belong to the version that served so long with the Argentine Air Force/Navy.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/paris2.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/paris2c.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/paris2b.jpg

[evansb]

Here is the next 'What Cockpit?'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3483669.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks like another "Italian job" to me, possibly another tri-engined aircraft.
Mel

[evansb]

Oddly Mel, it is neither Italian, nor tri-engined. The cockpit shot is from a Spanish registered aircraft, I believe.

[evansb]

I can understand why one would think it is tri-engined, given the number of three-of-the-same type instruments, but I am relying on the source of the photo, which is credible.

[DaveO'Leary]

Um? I'm working on this (have won on here before) bw photo, print quality grain???? I'd go for 1946-50. German/poss US MD? Still working on the a/c model.
Dave

[evansb]

The aircraft was made in the United States. Photo was taken in 1937.

[windriver]

Boeing 247?

[MReyn24050]

The cockpit shot is from a Spanish registered aircraft
The aircraft was made in the United States. Photo was taken in 1937
I must admit that it was all the levers that made me think tri-motor and the large 0 on the instruments on the centre panel that made me think it was Itallian of the 1930s, which had such markings.
So the connection is Spain late 1930s so it must be an American aircraft that was involved in the Spanish Civil War.
Two Pilots but it is not a DC-1 or DC-2 nor a Lockheed 10 and as it is not tri-engined it is not the Ford 4 so I will go for the Fairchild 91 which was involved but I am not sure about all those levers and instruments as the Fairchild 91 was a single engined aircraft.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel is correct:ok: Well done:D Fairchild produced only eleven -91s.
Fairly advanced for the era, they had variable pitch propellors, electric retractable landing gear, and hydraulic brakes. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Fairchild91-1.jpg

[pigboat]

With the thrust line that far above the longitudinal axis, there must have been a hefty pitch down when one applied the power. :ooh:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, no doubt that what all those levers were for, U/C etc.
Here is a nice easy one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz283.jpg

[Kitbag]

Here is a nice easy one.



I just hate it when Mel says that. Anyway, how about one of those crazy 1930's racers- the Granville Brothers Gee Bee R1?

[MReyn24050]

Kitbag
:) Sorry about that. Not the Granville Brothers Gee Bee R1, but you are heading in the right lines.
Mel

[Dick Whittingham]

Thread reversal! I have found a copy of the last cockpit photo on a Russian site, airwar.ru. With respect, I can't see how the cockpit shown applies to a single engine aircraft. Is there any other source?

Dick W

[MReyn24050]

Dick Whittingham

I must admit I agree with you. Bri I am sure will confirm whether or not that photograph came from the site you metion. I also find it difficult to accept that the cockpit shown applies to a single engine aircraft. I am pretty sure it is from a three engined Itallian aircraft.
Mel

[evansb]

The Fairchild 91 photo came from seawings.co.uk. Oddly, the site has only one Italian amphibian, and it is far newer than the Fairchild. As the site has more photos of the Fairchild 91 than any other, I gave it credence, however I now have doubts.

[old,not bold]

To my simple mind, 3 power levers, 3 prop controls = 3 engines.

Could the Fairchild 91 ident be mistaken?

[MReyn24050]

Going back to the aircraft posted at Bri's post #2541. The instrument that makes me think this is an Italian aircraft is the one on the centre panel second row from the bottom on the left hand side. The following is the panel from a Fiat CR42 Falco:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/falco_36.jpg
An identical instrument is located centre left hand side of the panel.
Also in the photograph at Post # 2541 from the curtain positions I get the impression there is a windscreen support on the aircraft's centre-line yet on the Fairchild 91 the windscreen did not have a centre-line support. Also the instrument on Post # 2541 bottom row extreme right is similar to that on the Falco panel bottom row right.I may be wrong but I have not seen these instruments on other aircraft except Italian.
Mel

[evansb]

A Marcoux-Bromberg R-3?

[MReyn24050]

Bri hits the mark again. :ok::D. It is the Marcoux-Bromberg R-3
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Mu7-Marcoux-BrombergR-3.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. I've sent seawings.co.uk an e-mail concerning the Fairchild 91 cockpit photo. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/778.jpg

[Fitter2]

Taylor Titch?

[evansb]

Sorry Fitter2, not a Taylor Titch. This aircraft is older than the Titch.

[stevef]

Chilton DW1?

[evansb]

stevef is spot on:ok: Good eye.:D The speed placard has been blurred to obscure the Chilton name, however the Carden Engine placard was not retouched. Yes, that is a choke control on the right, as the engine was a 32-hp cast-iron Ford auto engine with the Carden modification of dual magneto ignition. The Chilton was also the only design I know of that was built in the De Havilland factory but was never named a DH product.
Seen is a Coventry based DW.1, G-AESZ built in 1937. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ChiltonG-AESZ.jpg

[stevef]

Thanks, Bri. Would anyone care to step in as I don't have anything to post at the moment.

[Akubra]

"Would anyone care to step in as I don't have anything to post at the moment."

My pleasure! :ok:




http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp4.jpg

[Dick Whittingham]

American military jet, weird offset flight instruments to make room for some radar sighting device linked to a central gunsight? 1950's?

sudden thought. Sabre dog

Dick W

[Akubra]

Sorry Dick, not the Sabre
American: Yes
There were many variants of this type and the one pictured above did have a radar fitted for night operations.
The type first flew in the 1940's.

[henry crun]

Dick: I knew a guy who did an exchange tour on D's.

The way he described the cockpit it would have a large low centrally mounted radar display.

[MReyn24050]

Not wishing to spoil the show for others please check your PMs.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

I'm thinking one of the F80 derivatives? Probably way off track as usual!

[Akubra]

Not the Shooting Star lassnowpharter.
This craft was prop-driven.

[NutherA2]

F4U2 Corsair?

[MReyn24050]

NutherA2. On behalf of Akubra, I can tell you it is not the F4U2 Corsair.
Mel

[StbdD]

Douglas AD / A-1 Skyraider. Believe specific type to be an AD-4N.

[Akubra]

The Skyraider AD-4N it is! Well done StbdD! :ok:
You have control.

[StbdD]

Thanks Akubra! Here's the next challenge:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/Evileye03/PPRuNe1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

We have had this one before only a few months ago, please check your PMs.
Mel

[StbdD]

Very well.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/Evileye03/Pprune2.jpg

[Woods]

It's the most famous of Curtiss attack planes, the one with the steam engine. Woods:confused:

[larssnowpharter]

Possibly the Besler?

[MReyn24050]

How about the Curtiss XA-8?

[Akubra]

Hope you have a photo ready to post Mel. ;)

[StbdD]

Bravo! It is in fact the Curtis XA-8. Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thank you StbdD. This one is a little older I believe.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz9.jpg
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Like others, I am convinced this is an Italian 3 motor.

Compare with the Savoia Marchetti S 79 Gobbo Maledetto and there are huge similarities.

I think this - so far unidentified aircraft - is the SM 81 'Pipistrello' (Bat) from which the S79 was developed. In the posted photo we can see curtains on the screen. There are references to this on one side of the SM 81 canopy. Nice idea actually!

However, I cannot find a photo of the SM 81 panel. Does anyone have one or know where one can be located?

[MReyn24050]

I now have evidence to confirm the photograph that was the subject of Bri's Challenge at Post 2541 is not the Fairchild 91. www.seawings.co.uk now publish on their Walkround Gallery a photograph of the cockpit of the Fairchild 91 which is credited as an original Fairchild photograph :-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Fairchild91.jpg
Yet on their Photo Gallery for this aircraft they still show the photograph Bri submitted.
Regarding what aircraft is the subject of the photograph published at Post 2541 I do not agree with you Lars that it could be the SM 81 'Pipistrello' the size of the cockpit windows do not tie in. I think it could be the SM87
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/SavoiaMarchettiSM.87.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/SM87Cockpitwindows.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/evanbschallenge.jpg
as the location of the curtains seem to fit this window formation rather than that of the SM81.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

You could well be right, Mel. There were only 4, I think, examples of the SM 87 built. Prototypes according to some sources but this panel looks too finished. I was also thinking the SM 75 - essentially the land version of the 87 - which was used in Spain which may be the connection Bri's source was making. Have checked both Hungarian and Italian sources without being able to confirm.

It would be nice to know for sure:)

[Akubra]

Amphibious single engined bi-plane from the early 30's?

[MReyn24050]

Akubra
Amphibious single engined bi-plane but late 20s rather than early 30s.
Mel

[evansb]

Macchi M.41?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Bri not the Macchi M.41.

[Kitbag]

Supermarine were quite active in that area/time frame, so Supermarine Swan?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Kitbag this aircraft was not British nor in fact was it Italian
Mel

[Kitbag]

OK, process of elimination then- French CAMS 38?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry not French either, wrong side of the pond I am afraid.
Mel

[evansb]

Was the aircraft licensed-built, and was it modified into a single-seater?

[MReyn24050]

As far as I can tell this was not a licensed-built aircraft and carried it's constructor's seial number it also carried passengers as well as the pilot.

[Woods]

Boeing? Model B?
Woods:confused:

[MReyn24050]

Woods:- Boeing? Model B? :D
I think that is near enough. It is in fact the first Boeing B-1E Flying Boat. Later B-1Es had a single wheel control instead of the stick and suspended rudder pedals. The aircraft shown in the attached photograph is a Model 204 which was a redesignation of unbuilt B-1Es, after 5 B1-E were built, they were given a new model number to indicate they were a 1929 design rather than a direct development of the B-1 of 1919. The first flight of the B-1E was on the 4th March 1928.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/boe204.jpg
You have control.

[Woods]

A wild guess. I,m not home and able to post a pik, so the floor is open.

Woods

[evansb]

Woods, as you say a "Wild guess". Personally I am fatigued by the non-players in our forum. Can You offer an alternative? Signed, an av-buff.

[MReyn24050]

In respect of the last challenge I note that I may have misled members regarding what type of aircraft the challenge was. When I responded to Akubra's query at post #2591, rather than type out the reply I tend to cut and paste and then amend unfortunately in this case I omitted to delete the word "amphibious". I do appreciate there is vast difference between an amphibian and a flying boat and very sorry if it led you down a wrong path. It certainly was not my intention to make the challenge more difficult.
Mel

[Akubra]

Very true Mel, I cant say I've ever seen a beached frog. :)
This begs another question.
What was the date that the first amphibian aircraft was produced?

[MReyn24050]

What was the date that the first amphibian aircraft was produced?
Interesting question, according to the Guinness "Book of Air Facts and Feats" the first take off from water by an aeroplane was made by Henri Fabre in his Gnome-powered monoplane floatplane at Martigues, near Marseille on the 28th March. However the first aeroplane to perform a premeditated landing on water,taxi and then take off was a Curtiss 'hydroaeroplane' flown by Glenn Curtiss on the 20 Jan 1911. He took off and then landed in San Diego Harbour,turned round and took off again, flying about 1 mile before coming down near his starting point.
I am not sure what the difference was between his flight and Henri Fabre's flight possibly the fact that Fabre took off and flew a short distance before landing on the water again. I am sure that his landing was also "premeditated".
According to Peter M Bowers book "Curtiss Aircraft 1907-1947" by Putnam Glenn Curtiss demonstrated the first successful amphibian the Triad at North Island, San Diego on 25th February 1911. This was a conventional landplane converted to water operations by the substitution of pontoons for wheels. Curtiss added retractable wheels under the lower wings of a hydro and adding a nosewheel to the bow of the float.

[Akubra]

I would go with the Curtiss Triad fitted with retractable gear, just for the fact that amphibious operations would seem rather dangerous otherwise.

[MReyn24050]

Well to make up for my error I will post an easy one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz23.jpg
Mel

[pigboat]

Bellanca Pacemmaker?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Bellanca Pacemmaker.

[pigboat]

Looks like a Norseman but it ain't. Robert Noorduyn worked for Tony Fokker in North America, something from Fokker or Fairchild?

[MReyn24050]

pigboat
Not a Fokker or Fairchild but there is a connection with Robert Noorduyn.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Is this a later Pitcairn aircraft? PA 36?

[MReyn24050]

larssnowpharter.

Yes, it is a Pitcairn aircraft but not the PA 36. For a bonus point can you identify the actual type?
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

How about the AC 35; the 'roadable' one?

[MReyn24050]

No, Lars it is the Pitcairn PA-19. Pitcairn PA-19 Cabin Autogiro was the largest American Autogiro built. Five were constructed but it failed to find a market due to the Depression. In 1932, while at the Pitcairn-Cierva Autogiro Company of America, Robert B C Noorduyn was responsible for the design of the first enclosed, of this four-seater Autogiro.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/PitcairnPA-19.jpg
You have control Lars.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

Thank you Mel but I feel a bit of a fraud not getting the type.
I apologise for the quality of this photo but I have seen very few others of aircraft made by this manufacturer who has not yet featured here.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz501.jpg

[evansb]

The Russian Grigorovich M.9 flying boat, sporting a rather large cannon. When fired, I would imagine the cannon's recoil would slow the aircraft by about 5 knots.;) Note the unusual vertical stab.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/GrigM-9.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

Absolutely right, Bri. :D

The M9 was active in WW1 in the waters around Latvia and played an important role during the revolution.

Like you, I thought that the recoil from the cannon might have some adverse effect on the airspeed!

You have control.

[evansb]

Here is the next 'What cockpit?'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3562834.jpg

[con-pilot]

Dang that looks so familiar, I'm probably going to hate myself for not remembering.

(This is what happens when you get old.)

Surely not a Boeing 737-100 series?

[pigboat]

Don't look like Boeing yokes. IAI Astra Jet, forget the model number of the thing, the tall one where you needed a ladder to check the oil. :confused:

[BSD]

Mercure?

BSD.

p.s. maison ouvert if I've cracked it.

[evansb]

BSD is correct:ok: Well done. :D http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/MercAIn.jpg

[BSD]

Merci evansB!

Can't believe it hadn't been on before. Had a jump seat ride in one once, from Ajaccio to Marseilles. It seemed like a really sophisiticated airliner, streets ahead of the 737-200 I was flying at the time.

I think it fell flat through very low range, being designed for very short sectors only. I seem to recall its JT8-Ds were very low powered. -7s I think, though the 737-200 managed to go from -7s through to -17As with a great gain in thrust, so it probably wasn't just lack of thrust.

Shame to have gone to all that trouble to end up with only 10 aeroplanes. I also recall the Air Inter crew saying that Dassault refurbished the pre-production aeroplane which had been built for testing , and not intended to fly, to give them an 11th aeroplane. The crew certainly loved it.

One thing I still haven't completely mastered though, is how to post a cockpit. Exacerbated by the fact that the only ones I could post have already appeared.

Open house to all you experts, please keep them coming.

BSD.

[con-pilot]

Okay, now that I know what it is I remember where I had seen the cockpit before, well a picture of the cockpit.

At the Dassault factory in Bordeaux. Actually an aircraft well ahead of its time.

pigboat, would that be the 1125 Astra Jet you're thinking about? Or the Galaxy? Which are now the G-150 and the G-200. (I think.)

[evansb]

Here is the next 'What cockpit?'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/88881.jpg

[Akubra]

Miles (after looking at the rudder peddles) M100 Student?

[MReyn24050]

Akubra. I would say you were spot on there. However we did in fact have the Miles M100 Student back in Feb 2006.
Mel

[old,not bold]

If not a Student, the Gemini? It could be two throttle levers, couldn't it?

Perhaps my eyesight's failing....

[Akubra]

Could be, old not bold.
I was going off this frame at the Museum of Berkshire Aviation.
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/mus/uk/l-m/musberkshireavtn.htm

[evansb]

Sorry for posting a duplicate. Yes it is the Miles M.100 Student.

[Akubra]

I would be still looking if the rudder peddles were cropped from that shot. :)

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp5.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Curtiss Robin?

Cubs2jets

[Akubra]

Well done! It's indeed the Curtiss Robin:ok:

Your in control.

[Cubs2jets]

Darn it! I'm having dificulty with this Photobucket! :mad: I'll have to work through the instructions again. :ouch:

Can someone s=else please step in for me?:\

Thanks,

Cubs2jets

[evansb]

Here is one I don't think has been previously posted:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3574733.jpg

[RETDPI]

Deutche Techs DFS 230 ?

[evansb]

RETDPI is correct.:ok: It is indeed the W.W.II Deutsche Forschungsanstalt fur Segelflug DFS-230 armed assault glider. Well done.:D You have control.

[RETDPI]

Looking through the window gave a clue!
Infinite number of monkeys etc. on the image posting :ugh:
Anyway . I hope this one hasn't been posted too recently.http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/Cock2.jpg

[MReyn24050]

It has I am afraid, it was posted by our friend Akruba not that long ago.

[RETDPI]

Sorry about that - it was done in haste in an attempt to keep the flow going. If you could post again the ref to the list so far I'll check back and see what I can find. In the meantime may I suggest "any other takers...?"

[MReyn24050]

Here is the latest list. I hope this works.
Mel

http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/whatcockpitlist28Sept2007.html?200728

[evansb]

I couldn't find this one on Mel's list, so here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3597988.jpg

[evansb]

Clue: Many pilots 'made ace' on this aeroplane.

[old,not bold]

OK, I'll bite...Sopwith Camel (not on list, surprisingly) perhaps a replica?

[rodthesod]

Hawker Hart? If correct, open house.

[MReyn24050]

How about the SE5A? Possibly a replica without the normal control column and triggers.

[evansb]

Spot on Mel. :ok: The Royal Aircraft Factory SE5. Over to you. Here is a shot of the one at Shuttleworth:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/SE5Ac1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz284.jpg

[Akubra]

I will have to ask a question if I may Mel?
Did it carry torpedo?

[MReyn24050]

No, this one was not a torpedo carrier. I posted a link to the latest list at Post #2643, I hope it works.
Mel

[Akubra]

Yes the link works well thanks Mel! http://us.share.geocities.com/artificer356/whatcockpit.html?200715
Thats over 800 cockpits identified :eek:

[evansb]

Is this a Bristol prototype instructional airframe?

[MReyn24050]

It is a Bristol aircraft but not an instructional airframe.

[evansb]

Bristol Bloodhound?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Bri.:ok: It is the Bristol Bloodhound.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/BristolBloodhound.jpg
The Bristol Type 84 Bloodhound turned down by the Ministry in favour of the DeHavilland Dormouse nevertheless went on to prove the worthiness of the Jupiter engine.
The Bloodhound prototype returned to Filton for overhaul, it received civil registration and to prove the strength of the airframe but more particularly the reliability of Fedden's engine two Imperial Airways pilots Col F F Minchin and Capt F L Barnard flew the aircraft from Croydon to Filton with the engine sealed. From January 4th until the 8th March 1926 they logged 25,074 miles in 225 hours and 45 minutes. The engine ran faultlessly throughout and Imperial Airways to prove its hot weather ability flew G-EBGG from Croydon to Cairo and back, taking 56 hours for the 5,400 mile trip. They had a few problems with desert landing strips but again none with the airframe or the engine. The Jupiter engine went on to become the most used engine of any manufacturer. The aircraft was later used to test the geared Jupiter VIII using a four balde propellor until finally scrapped in 1931.

You have control

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Unusual photo you posted, quite rare I would imagine. I was uncertain if it was a Bloodhound because a book I have said it had two forward firing guns, and a web site said it had only one forward firing gun. The forshortening of the photo makes the wing appear very short.

Here is the next challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3591852.jpg

[LowNSlow]

Is it an early Bolkow perchance?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Bolkow. This aircraft was designed in the 1960s, but serial production didn't commence until the 1970s, where just over 80 examples were produced.

[evansb]

As LowNslow suspects, it is a rotor craft, but not German, nor is it European.

[MReyn24050]

I let it run for 48 hours before having a go, I will plump for the McCulloch J-2 "Gyroplane".
Mel

[evansb]

Mel is spot on:ok: The McCulloch J-2 was produced by Robert P. McCulloch, the man who developed and manufactured the first practical portable chain-saw. He eventually produced outboard motors, and to encourage real-estate development adjacent to his industrial site at Lake Havasu Arizona, his Connies and Electras of his aviation division flew over two thousand trips carrying potential land buyers. To encourage tourism of the area, he bought London Bridge, and had it shipped over and rebuilt at Lake Havasu. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/McCullochJ2Gyroplane.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri.
I understand that when he bought London Bridge he made a mistake in that at the time he thought he had bought Tower Bridge.
This one shouldn't be too difficult.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/cockpitquiz285.jpg
Mel

[Kitbag]

Seems no one wants to play.

To me it looks Single engine, gas turbine, possibly mil basic trainer sort of late 60's early 70's vintage?

I'll start the bidding with an Aermacchi 326.

[MReyn24050]

Kitbag. Spot on :ok::D It was the Aermacchi MB326.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/MB326.jpg
You have control.

[Kitbag]

Apologies to all awaiting a challenge along the lines of Mels 'Here is another easy one' which goes on for days as we all go potty trying to suss it out. Unfortunately I can find nothing anywhere near as easy so I bow out and say first come first served.

[Akubra]

I checked the list and I think this one is good to post. http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp19.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks Rotary Akubra?

[Akubra]

That would be a correct assumption.

[evansb]

Brantly B-2? Photo below is a Brantly Model 305, an enlarged (five-seat) development of the B-2B: 305 hp Lycoming IVO-540-A1A engine, 28 ft., 8 in. main rotor.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Inn.jpg

[Akubra]

:ok: The stage is yours! And no clues given!
I find it interesting that about 40% down each main rotor blade is a hinge
that gives it a very stable ride. And as a bonus they can be easily removed for storage.

Edit: More info http://avia.russian.ee/helicopters_eng/brantly_b-2.php

http://www.brantly.com/profile.htm

[evansb]

Thanks Akubra. The rotor height on the Brantly is low so a rotor brake was standard equipment. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3618425.jpg

[MReyn24050]

No takers for Bri's challenge? I would have thought the response would have been "Hip, Hip, Hooray!, another Rotary Wing Aircraft!
Mel

[RETDPI]

I cringed at that one first time around in "Warplane" Page 1466.

[evansb]

Approximately 12,000 were produced.

[Akubra]

Is it a civilian or UN Mi-17?

[asw28-866]

With those sorts of numbers built and a distinctly soviet 'feel' I suggest the Mi-8? Sorry, cede to Akubra as has already proposed the Mi-17!:O
'866'

[evansb]

It is a Mil Mi-8, NATO code name Hip, operated by a Czech charter firm. Mil-17s can be identified by the tail-rotor on the left side, as opposed to the Mi-8, which is on the right side.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/mi8mt_cp.jpghttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/MilMi-8Hop.jpg

[asw28-866]

Thanks Evansb, here is the next one, not a rotary this time, taken at work today in a hurry (hence a bit blurry sorry all)...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/cockpit230907.jpg

enjoy

'866'

[Akubra]

T-28 Trojan is my guess.

[asw28-866]

Quite right Akubra, ours is a T28-D ex Air America, Thai and Philippines Air Forces....you have control:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/gal_25.gif

'866'

[Akubra]

If your name is Kim, do I get a free flight? :)

Here is the next one...

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp20.jpg

[asw28-866]

Sorry Akubra, no free ride, I don't own the T28 shown! As for your latest challenge...Dart Kitten?

[evansb]

How I do love this forum! I have never heard of a Dart Kitten until now. If you want an informal degree in Aviation History, this is the place!:ok:

[Akubra]

asw28-866: I always wanted to have a ride in a T-28, ever since I sprung one for my Dad on his B-Day many years ago. Cant say that Ive ever seen him jump up and punch the air like he did when that flight was over and he was grinning ear to ear for the rest of the week!
It was in the orange and white VT27 as seen below.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/oldt28.jpg

Heres the a different angle of your T-28 taken at the Brisbane Air show back in 2003. (Cough cough!) :)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/t28s.jpg

Sorry to report that its not the Dart Kitten, however these two types did first take to the air around the same time.
Good Luck!

[asw28-866]

clutching at very long straw...Parnall Pixie?
VH-SHT (VT27) has been out of the air for over a year now, we still operate ours out of Archerfield along with a couple of YAK-52s (my usual office). Will have an L-39 up and running in the near future:}

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/DSC01390.jpg

'866'

[MReyn24050]

I gave it 24 hours, how about it being this aircraft type.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/MauboussinCorsaire2005-09-20F-PBHC.jpg
Mel

[Akubra]

asw28-866: Nice! PM me when it's going to fly. I will come and have a look.
If the Warana air race is ever revived,then thats a winner! :)

Mel: Yes. :) I did find a photo of a radial or rotary<?> engined one, plus also one with a more rounded front screen.
The Mauboussin Corsaire! Seems about 60 were made starting from 1937.

Must brush up on my French as I could not find much English info about this type.

Once again, control is yours. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Just noticed I did not name the aircraft:-
Mauboussin Corsaire.:)
Mel

[MReyn24050]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz286.jpg

[evansb]

Is it Japanese?

[MReyn24050]

Yes, it was a Japanese aircraft.

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/mITSUBISHIkI-83.jpgIs it a Mitsubishi Ki-83?

[asw28-866]

Sort of an educated guess this one, looks to be 1940's/50's and guessing at twin jet? Already know it's Japanese, so:

Nakajima Kikka?

'866'

[MReyn24050]

Sorry asw28-866, but evansb has beaten you to it. It is the Mitsubishi Ki-83.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Ki-83-8.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Ki-83.jpg
You have control Bri.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. A good looking aircraft, the Americans got a captured Ki-83 to fly at 470 mph! Here is the next challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3640499.jpg

[MReyn24050]

As you say Bri, the Ki-83 was an interesting aircraft. As is this one; however, not wishing to spoil it for others I will say no more other than it being another Rotary type.

[Kitbag]

Ooh interesting additional control pole for the RHS, also the conventional controls seem to be out of sync. I did think maybe an Osprey variant, however I am tending towards an technology demonstrator, maybe from Bell?

[evansb]

Keen eye Kitbag, but sorry , it is not the joint United States Army-Marine VS-22 Osprey, nor is it a Bell Company design. It is, however, a test-vehicle, as your eagle-eye was able to determine.

[Kitbag]

Ho hum, well how about the spacing of the windscreen pillars pointing into the Sikorsky S70 family?

[evansb]

Sorry but no, Kitbag, it is not of the Sikorsky family.

[wonderboysteve]

Boeing vertol 360?

[evansb]

Sorry wonderboysteve, it is not the Boeing/Vertol 360, but you are close.

[asw28-866]

Looking at the latest cockpit reminds me why I don't fly helicopters, if it takes that many joysticks just to get one airborne!:eek:

How about a CH47 Chinook of somesort?

'866'

[evansb]

'866' is correct. The Boeing/Vertol CH-47B was operated by NASA at the Ames Research Center. It was equipped with a large computer to simulate force-feel control responses and terrain following via the CRT screen.
You have control, Sir.http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ChinookCH-47Bnasa.jpg

[asw28-866]

The next challenge:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/cockpit2709b.jpg

Now resident in the U.S. this particular aircraft has won a very famous event in the U.K.

'866'

[zkdli]

SF 260 of some sort. If I am right I don't have a picture sorry!:)

[evansb]

As zkdli states, it is a SF-260. I don't know which U.K. event it won first place in, so we will have to wait for a response from '866'.

[asw28-866]

ZKDLI yes 1973 SF260B, note this is a purpose built civilian one, not ex-military so command seat is in the conventional place on the left. This one as G-BDEN won the Kings Cup Air Race, I know 'cos my dad was driving it!
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/sf260.jpg

Here it is in it's UK Days...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/gbden0001.jpg
'866'

[Dan Winterland]

But it says '69' on the tail! As zkidli doesn't have a photo, I'll step in. Shouldn't take too long!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/dbchippy/IMG_4365.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Happy Birthday What Cockpit.


Two years ago today I first started this thread !
Who would have thought it would still be going today.
I wonder how many views and replies in total the thread has had ?


Clint.

[asw28-866]

Clint,
I have learnt an awful lot about the many and varied forms of aerial carriage through the ages from this thread! Well done Sir!:D

'866'

[MReyn24050]

Hi Clint
I agree with everything that asw28-866 says. I am not sure about the number of views there have been but it must be in excess of 250,000. I do know that there have been 7,027 replies to date and some 800+ different cockpits presented,that includes a few duplicates but the number of duplicates amounts to approx only 30 aircraft.
There are still plenty more out there.
Mel

[seacue]

Looks like a corner of a BC-348 peeping out from the radio op's desk. That would imply it's a US plane.

[Dan Winterland]

Mel correctly identified it in his PM, and it's obviously a duplicate. However, if your new to the thread there are over 2700 posts to plough through to find one that hasn't been posted. Is there a list anywhere?

Not US. But a derivative of a copied US aircraft. That should give it away.

[airborne_artist]

Li-2 ? Development of the Li-2 was the Il-14.

http://pacificcoastairmuseum.org/2002Site/aircraftPCAM/IL14_Crate/images/il14_a500.jpg

[asw28-866]

It wouldn't be the Russian DC-3? The Lisunov Li-2 would it? If it is, as I am away for a few days...open house.

If not, well I'll eat my hat!:\

'866'

[MReyn24050]

Here is the latest list, I hope it works.
http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/whatcockpitlist28Sept2007.html?200728
Mel

[Dan Winterland]

Yes, it is a duplicate - more than once! And it is an IL14. Airborne Artist has control.

[MReyn24050]

Not a problem Dan without knowledge of the list it is easily done. However, your photograph is one that has not been presented before, have you more details regarding the aircraft in the photograph?
Your proposal in your PM regarding a competitions forum is possibly an idea,it depends how the mods feel about it.
Mel

[airborne_artist]

Can't imagine this will take too long. Last flew this type a while back.

http://www.hrmconsultancy.net/pprune/comppic.jpg

[BEagle]

SA Bulldog!

Rather more comprehensively equipped than the ones I used to fly!

[airborne_artist]

BEagle, as I said to your esteemed colleague Flt Lt Freddi only 28 years ago - "You have control".

[BEagle]

Thanx!

OK:-

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/29Sep.jpg

[Dan Winterland]

Lets face it BEagle, when you used to fly them, they used semaphore - not radios!

The IL 14 photo is my own (as all my competition photos are). It's in the Beijing University Space and Aeronautics faculty museum and as you can see, it's not in particlarly good shape.

BEagle, it's an Arado 234. If I'm correct, it's open house as I have to go to work now.

[BEagle]

Semaphore? Luxury! We'ad terr look ferr rock paintings!

Arado 234 it is - open to the floor as Dan is off to work...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/DW.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

I know the answer!

She's a senior United Airlines Flight Attendant!:}

Cubs2jets

[RETDPI]

Certainly got a lot more hair than Beags ever had (which used to be a similar colour though).
Could they be related......?

[evansb]

Here is the Saturday evening 'What Cockpit?'

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3665125.jpg

[the incivil beast]

It has definitely some French touch, what about the Deperdussin No 43 ?

[evansb]

the beast is correct.:ok: It is a 1909 Deperdussin. You have control.

[the incivil beast]

Thanks.
Here is the Saturday night 'What Cockpit?'
http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit9.jpg

[Dan Winterland]

Yep BEags, that looks like me going to work - but without the uniform of course! Mrs W liked the picture - she now has it on her phone so it comes up when I call! She sends sloppy kisses.

[BEagle]

Glad you liked the piccie - and regards to Mrs W, of course! Kisses gratfully accepted - and returned similarly.

Liked your advice, courtesy of 'Chopper', to S_S!! Flouncing off to the Women's Auxiliary Balloon Corps as he did...

Is the piccie a Me 108?

[the incivil beast]

I'm afraid not, not a German plane.

[evansb]

A Morane-Saulnier M.S.733 Alcyon? http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ms733_2.jpg

[the incivil beast]

Oui Monsieur.

Vous avez le controle.

[evansb]

Merci. Voici le prochaine 'Quel cockpit?':
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3677047.jpg

[windriver]

Super Etendard?

[evansb]

Sorry, not an Etendard.

[evansb]

Clues: Served for more than two decades. Type has more than 120,000 combat sorties.

[Kitbag]

Are we looking at one of Mr Dassaults deltas?

[Dan Winterland]

Mirage 3 peut etre?

[Kitbag]

Thinking around the subject, I suspect its too modern for a III, how about the F1?(and yes I know its not a true delta)

[evansb]

Sorry gents, the aircraft is not French in origin.

[the incivil beast]

Vought F-8 Crusader, per chance ?

[evansb]

It is not the F-8, but you are very close.

[Kitbag]

A7 Corsair II?

[evansb]

Kitbag is correct:ok: The Ling-Temco-Vought (LTV) A-7D Corsair II is no longer in service with the U.S. military. The A-7 may still be in use by the Greek Airforce. Versions were sold to a few other foreign forces, Portugal, for one.
The Corsair II was actually the third Corsair model built by the Vought Company, the first being a biplane in the 1920s.

You have control.http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/a7a_1.jpg

[Kitbag]

OK, didn't expect to get that. As I am away from home at the moment if anyone can come up with a good challenge in the next 24 hrs please feel free to post, else I'll arrange for something up tomorrow before 1700Z