What Cockpit? MK V

[the incivil beast]

Hope you'll find this one good enough ...

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit10.jpg

[Kitbag]

Wild guess Martin P6 Seamaster?

[the incivil beast]

Sorry, no, this one was not a seaplane.

[the incivil beast]

Clue : this one was a backup for a much more famous design. Although it wasn't very successful (this is an understatement), it had at least the distinction of taking part in the last combat action of World War 2.

[seacue]

it had at least the distinction of taking part in the last combat action of World War 2.
That means it flew in the Pacific Theatre.
Right?

[RETDPI]

........and the last one was at first preserved then cut up a few years later.

[Kitbag]

That'll be the Consolidated B32 Dominator then?

[the incivil beast]

The Consolidated B32 Dominator it is indeed
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot139.jpg
The re-sized tailfin speaks about the troublesome development (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-32_Dominator)) ...
what was that about beautiful aircraft and flight qualities ?

Over to you

[Kitbag]

OK, heres the next one:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WhatCockpit6Oct07.jpg

[evansb]

Tupolev Tu-160 'Blackjack'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/TU-160.jpg

[Kitbag]

In one

You have control

[evansb]

Thank you Kitbag. Here is the next 'What cockpit?':

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3711292.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The photograph gives us the impression that the aircraft is an old aircraft possibly 1950s or earlier. However the 'Y' control column has been used on several recent home-built aircraft such as the CH701 and Savannah MXP-740 which also have similar intrument panel layouts. Are you able to give approximate age of the aircraft Bri.

[evansb]

1946-47. Less than 100 were produced.

[Akubra]

I know this one. This type first flew in 1946.

[evansb]

Yes, it first flew in November of 1946. The aircraft was in full production when 22 were destroyed in a fire at the factory.

[evansb]

Further clue: The aircraft is a development of an air ambulance model that first flew in 1944.

[MReyn24050]

I will help you out, the SAI KZ VII perhaps?

[evansb]

Mel is correct:ok: The Skandinavisk Aero Industri (SAI) KZ-VII 'Lark' was in production from 1947 to 1952. Nicknamed the 'Danish Storch' it was designed with leading-edge slots for good short-field performance.
You have control.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/KZ20VII.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri, here is the next one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz287.jpg

[Akubra]

Looks close to A Nardi FN.305.

[Kitbag]

More detail here, makes interesting reading: http://www.giemmesesto.org/settori/aerei/Nardi305/nardi305.html

[Akubra]

Photo# 5 confirms my guess.
I have a book with a side on photo and the profile fitted pretty well.

The first F.N.305 flew on the 19th February 1935 and was piloted by a chap named Arturo Ferratelli. It was powered by a Fiat A.70S radial engine.
To meet orders, Nardi licensed Piaggio who built 258 305A's with Alfa-Romeo 115 powerplant.
Even IAR built 124 305's powered by the license built 6G-1 engine (DH Gipsy Six)
There was also a long range version (305D) that had a Walter Bora radial that made a record breaking flight (in its class) from Rome Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.

Heres the next challenge:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp30.jpg

Good Luck!

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay, as you well say it is indeed the Nardi FN.305:ok::D
Mel

[Dan Winterland]

It's a German Glider, 50's or 60's vintage. Possibly an L-Spatz.

If I'm correct, it open house as it's 10.30pm here and I'm off to bed.

ZZZZZZ!

[Fitter2]

Or possibly the French built Olympia Meise, Nord 2000?

[Akubra]

Not German or French, but is a glider from the early 60's.

I have removed some text from this photo as it would have been a dead giveaway if put into a search engine.

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/libis.jpgLIBIS-17, Yugoslavian 2-seat high-performance sailplane, with a forward hinged canopy, and an all-moving vertical stabilizer.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Libis-17.jpg

[Akubra]

Well done evansb :ok:
I had never seen one until I stumbled across one on the internet.
There was a sign "STANI OVDE"painted on the floor, I guess translates to "No Step" in Yugoslavian.

Floor is yours evansb

[evansb]

Thanks Akubra, I enjoyed the research. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WC1011.jpg

[oncemorealoft]

Is it a Fokker 100?

No actually, it's a Fokker 50 (I think!):O

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Fokker 50, nor a Fokker 100.

[evansb]

The lack of responses is disappointing, especially given the lineage of the aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

Well Bri I let it run for 48 hours but no one seems to want to play. It is the cockpit of a British Aerospace ATP.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel is correct:ok: The BAe ATP was a bit of a disappointment, sales-wise, especially given the aircraft's lineage. Perhaps the last of a great line of British built turboprop transports. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/atp.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that Bri. There are still many cockpits out there that have yet to be published.
This next one might be a bit of a challenge however, clues will follow if required.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz288.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The aircraft in question is the Sevensky BT-8.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/SeverskyBT-8.jpg
It is now open House.

[MReyn24050]

Thank you EE for your PM.
Here is the next challenge replacing my earlier one.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz289.jpg

[Evileyes]

To clear the air, I have apologized to MReyn24050 for posting something in public that should have been discussed in private.

I have removed the post and the responses in order to keep the thread on track.

Cheers,
Evileyes

[MReyn24050]

Here is the latest update.
http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/whatcockpitlist14Oct2007.htm?200714

[asw28-866]

Only reason I have not been posting in recent times is I havn't a clue! Looks 1930's American and reminds me of the Stearman, but as we have had that already.....?

[MReyn24050]

It is certainly American and was indeed built early 1930s but not as you say a Stearman.
Mel

[evansb]

Douglas O-38?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft comes from the same manufacturer but was not an observation aircraft.

[evansb]

Douglas BT-2?

[MReyn24050]

It is the Douglas BT-2B with some additional Instrumentation. :D:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/DOUGLASBT-2B.jpg
You have control Bri

[evansb]

Thank you Mel. 2B or not 2B?,...that was my question.:8

Here is the next 'What Cockpit?'

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/summertime.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

XC-99, obviously on a boring flight.

If I'm correct, anyone who's ready can have a go. I need to pore over the "already posted" list before uploading anything.

Glenn

[evansb]

Sorry ozbeowulf, not the Convair XC-99. It is, however, an American built aircraft.

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Hamilcar glider? OOps, that's British. I meant the CG-4A Waco.........

[evansb]

Sorry LowNslow, not the Hamilcar, or the CG-4A Waco. The aircraft is not a glider.

[Kitbag]

Boeing XB15 / C105?

[stevef]

Budd Conestoga?

[India Four Two]

Curtiss C-76 Caravan?

I42

[LowNSlow]

Is it a flying boat?

[evansb]

Sorry mates, not a Curtiss C-76 Caravan, not a Budd Conestoga, nor a Boeing XB-15/C105. It is not a flying boat, although the aircraft has a maritime connection

[StbdD]

Guessing a 50s - 60s vintage US Navy Airship.

[evansb]

StbdD is correct. Specifically it is a Goodyear built ZPG-2N Airship operated by the U.S. Navy. The last U.S. Navy blimp flight was on August 31, 1962. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/zpg2_air.jpg

[StbdD]

Having picture posting issues here. Open house!

[Fitter2]

I don't feel guilty jumping in, as it's been a day, and I guessed the last was a Goodyear Blimp, but couldn't substantiate using Google.

Try this:

http://i21.tinypic.com/ru90e8.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks like a Naval Aircraft to me. Please check PMs
Mel

[Fitter2]

PMs duly checked. Naval? - yes.

[Kitbag]

Good old Douglas A4 Skyhawk (early model at a guess- E/F?)

[Fitter2]

No, not a Skyhawk (or any other Douglas product) but the correct Navy.

[Kitbag]

Take a stab at a Grumman product then, the later Cougar over the Panther?

[Fitter2]

Neither the Cougar or the Panther, although the cat theme may get you somewhere.

[evansb]

I think it is a Grumman F-11A-1.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/GrummanF-11F-1.jpg

[Fitter2]

Correct Evansb, the last of the Grumman carrier cats, and the first jet fighter to use 'area rule' to reduce transonic drag (beating the F106 by some months).

You have control.

[Kitbag]

Just being picky here but
first jet fighter to use 'area rule' to reduce transonic drag (beating the F106 by some months).



As best I recall the redesign of the F102 to overcome its disappointing performance, involving the introduction of 'Whitcombe' (sp?) bodies or aerodynamic fairings on the rear fuselage was the first use of area rule. I think Whitcombe was the aerodynamicist who led the redesign team.

[Fitter2]

Richard T. Whitcombe was the NASA aerodynamicist who developed the theory. It was taken up by Convair to modify the unsatisfactory F102 to the F106, first flight in 1955.

John Gavin's team at Grumman used the theory from the beginning of the design phase, and the F11F Tiger first flew in July 1954.

I guess getting it wrong first time, and making a big story of a successful recovery makes you more famous than doing it right the first time.

Apollo 13 is much better known than Apollo 12, landing a stone's throw from a Surveyor unmanned moon lander and bringing back parts of it.

[Kitbag]

Point of order, the F102 had quite ugly fairings (I believe they were called Marilyns for some reason:8) scabbed onto the rear fuselage to achieve area rule, work was led by Whitcombe, which was my original point.
The F106 was a redesign of the original F102 (itself a redesign of the F98) incorporating area rule from the outset and was clearly later than the Tiger. I can't deny that the Tiger was the first to have area rule incorporated in the design from the beginning. It is also rumoured to be the first aircraft to shoot itself down by catching up with its own bullets. Would like to find some hard evidence on that one!

[evansb]

The next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/whatapain.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Bri
Please check your PMs
Mel

[evansb]

I might blow my cover if I told you of this aircraft's effect.

[MReyn24050]

Looks like ANother good challenge to me.
Mel

[Fitter2]

By golly, you chaps are subtle with the clues. How about the Antonov 72 (or 74?) Coaler?

[evansb]

Fitter2 is correct.:ok: The Coander effect Antonov An-72 it is. You have control.


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/an72.jpg

[Fitter2]

From the clues and Google, the AN72/74 came up. I was assuming after a little more research it was the 74 (two crew) version.

http://i24.tinypic.com/ilaotv.jpg

For a little more exercise, try this:

http://i21.tinypic.com/35klws7.jpg

[India Four Two]

Judging by the DV window in F2's photo, it looks like the cockpit in question is the AN 74

[evansb]

My cockpit photo, thread #2822 posted on Oct.19 is an Antonov AN-72F, resigtered ES-NOB, operated by ENIMEX. The photo was taken by Lars Wahltrom, in the early morning of July 17, 2003 at the north apron of DGR.
The aircraft was destined for Waterford, Ireland.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ES-NOBan72F.jpg

[Fitter2]

Hi Evansb - no doubt on that one given the provenance and the letters on the side of the aircraft, it was just that Janes pic of the AN74 cockpit matched rather well:

http://i24.tinypic.com/34oemp2.jpg

Meanwhile, another pic of a different example of the new challenge:

http://i20.tinypic.com/4r5lie.jpg

[Akubra]

From information I have here there were 2 types of 74 versions.
The 74 Coaler B was built as an arctic support craft with increased fuel capacity, enlarge radar in a bulged radome, observation blisters and better navigation equipment. (also it could be fitted with ski's)
The only other type it mentions is a 74 "Madcap" that was an early warning version with large rotodome on the tail.

Not a clue on Fitter2's challenge so I will guess a Cirrus?

[Agaricus bisporus]

looks more like a Renault to me!

[Fitter2]

Neither a Cirrus nor a Renault. Wrong country of origin in each case.

[evansb]

The lovely Italian designed Storm 300 RG.

[Fitter2]

Well done Evansb - right manufacturer, correct family, and proper appreciation of the aircrafts merits. - not RG however. The Storm Century (fixed tri-gear) has an identical cockpit shell.

http://i22.tinypic.com/2zzn7rt.jpg

I think you deserve the accolade, and privilege of a new challenge.

[evansb]

Here is the next 'What cockpit?' This one is really difficult, except for Mel of course.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/GMCtrucksj.jpg

[Kitbag]

Total guess Yak 36?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Yak. Not Russian.

[seacue]

SAAB 21?
Wild guess.

[LowNSlow]

American early 50's jet?

Northrop?

[evansb]

Not American. Not a SAAB. Yes it is a jet. It is European.

[LowNSlow]

Dassault Super Etandard?

[Kitbag]

Or a Saunders Roe SR 53?










Or a JMC Mk1?:}

[evansb]

Not French, nor British.

[Kitbag]

Indian- Helwan Ha300?

[evansb]

Not Indian. It is European.

[LowNSlow]

I'm supposed to be getting some work done!!! Is it Italian?

[oncemorealoft]

Is it a Dassault Vautour?

[LowNSlow]

Is it an early model Fiat G-91 Gina

[evansb]

Not Italian, nor French. The aircraft first flew in 1961, and was produced from 1964 to 1985. Only a few are presently operational.

[LowNSlow]

How about the Spanish Hispano HA220 C-10 single seat ground attack aircraft?

[Kitbag]

OK, having been a total numpty in suggesting an Indian type after you had clearly specified European perhaps suggesting it is a Soko J21 Jastreb will get me a smartie point or two?

[LowNSlow]

Damn, I knew I'd seen the humps over the gun barrels before. I think you've got it kitbag!

[evansb]

Kitbag is correct.:ok: It is the SOKO J-21 Jastreb. :DYou have control.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/J-21.jpg


Continued on: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=297637

[Airspeedintervention]

Dang ! Gyroplane pilots always get the hot chics !

[evansb]

6-year time warp.