What Cockpit? MK V

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/fly-by-P-40.jpg

BSD

Well done sir, P-40 War Hawk.
over to you.

C.

[BSD]

Mr. Grubby,

Thank you, great piccies. I'm having great difficulty mastering the task of sending a piture to this thread.

Can anyone send me a link to the instructions on how to do it?

In the meantime, if I fail, please may I open this up to anyone to post on my behalf?

BSD.


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203481

[Mr_Grubby]

BSD.

It's not all that difficult. Although I must admit I did struggle at first. !!

Read the sticky at the top of the forum by BOAC. That is useful.

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

One to keep things moving until BSD gets his picture posted.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz209.jpg
Mel

[BSD]

Mel,

Great challenge with that one, I haven't a clue!

Still struggling with my pc, and setting up the photobucket stuff.

If I don't mange something this afternoon, I'll have tp dropout for awhile. Off to work, back next weekend.

Cheers all,

BSD.

[MReyn24050]

Many thanks.

This aircraft first flew mid 50s.
Hope you have success with Photobucket.Once you have stored your photographs on photobucket all you need to do is click on the photograph properties and copy and then paste it into the PPRuNe posting box.We look forward to your challenges.

Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Mel.

Are we talking British here ?
Navy ?

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Hi Clint
Yes we are talking about a naval aircraft but not a British one.
Mel

[evansb]

A Breguet 1050 Alize?

[MReyn24050]

:ok: It is indeed the Breguet Alize.:D
You have control
Mel

[cringe]

That one has been posted a while ago. Many might not have seen it, so keep guessing. :)

To BSD: ImageShack (http://imageshack.us/) can host your pics without requiring a registration.

[MReyn24050]

Hi cringe
Hope you are well. I too recognize it, mind you it was the coffee machine that did it. Like you I will not spoil it for others.
Mel

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/JapaneseB5N2Torpedo.jpgThis one isn't on the list. Have a go!

[MReyn24050]

One from the rising sun or am I too far East?

[Tim Inder]

I would hazard a guess that it's a Nakajima B5N 'Kate'

I wouldn't fancy trying to set up that toredo sight anywhere near my target!

[MReyn24050]

Tim
I reckon your guess is spot-on and there is nothing hazardous about it.
Mel

[evansb]

Yes it is a Nakajima B5N2 "Kate":ok:

You have control.

[Tim Inder]

Thanks!
Try this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/timinder/cockpitchallenge.jpg

[evansb]

Airbourne Design Supermarine S.5 replica? If it is, I believe it first flew in 1972 and was powered by a Continental IO-360-C engine.

[MReyn24050]

European? I think it is possibly a 50s restoration of a 30s aircraft as that looks like Radio TX/RX of that period on the starboard side below the instrument panel.

[evansb]

How long do we wait for a reply?

[MReyn24050]

Well it has been 72 hours since Tim posted his challenge and you have been the only one to come up with a possible answer so I think you should post one to keep things moving while we wait Tim's answer.
Mel

[evansb]

What cockpit?

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/propjob.jpg

[evansb]

Clue 1. It is not British, but the engine is.
Clue 2. It was designed by an aeronautical engineer from France.

[cringe]

FMA I.Ae.27 Pulqui

[evansb]

Way to go cringe :D You got it! You have control.
Still waiting for a reply from Tim Inder.

[cringe]

Thanks, evansb. Still no word from Tim? OK, have a go at this:

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/7199/unk65dl2.jpg

[evansb]

Looks wickedly fast! Is it Italian?

[cringe]

Yup, Italian.

[Tim Inder]

I have to apologise for leaving the thread hanging in mid-air so to speak!
I'm back on the case now, so if you'd like to, once Cringe's post has been guessed, mine's still there for the identifying, though if you want to move on I'll understand.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe.
Fiat G50 perhaps?

[cringe]

Hi, Mel. Sorry, not a Fiat.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks. How about a Macchi MC.205V VELTRO?

[cringe]

Sorry for the delay. Not a Macchi Veltro. This one is from the '30s.

[MReyn24050]

cringe
Italian 1930s? How about the Caproni A.P.1 Ground Attack aircraft?

[cringe]

Not a Caproni. A few hundred were built.

[MReyn24050]

"Not a Caproni. A few hundred were built."

Not a Caproni or Fiat and I do not think it is a Macchi Aircraft. It is very similar to the IMAM Ro.44 but we have had that so perhaps it is the IMAM Ro.37 or 43.
Mel

[cringe]

Mel, you have it with the Ro.37. :ok: Over to you.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3452/ro37ihm9.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks cringe.
I think the difference between the Ro.37 and Ro.43 was that the 43 was a float version of the 37.
I am sure this will not last long:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz222.jpg
Mel

[evansb]

A Caproni Ca 133?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry. Not the Caproni Ca 133.
Mel

[evansb]

Savoia-Marchetti S.73?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Savoia-Marchetti S.73. However,you are in the right part of the world.
Mel

[India Four Two]

I have no clue about the aircraft type, but I am intrigued by what look like Thermos flasks on the bulkhead behind both sets of rudder pedals. Could this aircraft have had glider-type variometers instead of the conventional "calibrated leak" VSI?

[MReyn24050]

You may well be correct.
This aircraft was designed in the 1930s.
As I understand it Variometers measure the rate of change of altitude by detecting the change in air pressure (static pressure) as altitude changes. As you say in its simplest form, the instrument consists of an air bottle connected to the external atmosphere through a sensitive air flow meter. As the aircraft changes altitude, the atmospheric pressure outside the aircraft changes and air flows into or out of the air bottle to equalise the pressure inside the bottle and outside the aircraft. The rate and direction of flowing air is measured and displayed to the pilot.
I understand that newer variometer designs directly measure the static pressure of the atmosphere using a pressure sensor and detect changes in altitude directly from the change in air pressure instead of by measuring air flow. These designs tend to be smaller as they do not need the air bottle.
The term "vertical speed indicator" or "VSI" is most often used for the instrument when it is installed in a powered aircraft as against the term variometer when used in a glider.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Mel,

You give a good description of a glider vario, but until I saw your picture of the "unknown Italian job", I didn't think they were used in powered aircraft, because they are far too sensitive.

Mechanical glider varios have a light, spring-loaded vane, that is deflected by the air flow to or from the reservoir, giving a time constant (delay) of about 3 seconds.

All powered aircraft VSIs that I was previously aware of use the case of the instrument as the air reservoir and an ASI-type bellows to measure a pressure differential caused by a calibrated orifice. The time constant is much longer than 3 seconds, but I don't know how much.

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's one: http://www.aeromech.usyd.edu.au/aero/instruments/VSI.html

It's not quite the same as I remember from my UAS ground school days, but maybe my memory is fading.

So I am still interested to know if glider varios were commonly used in powered aircraft in the past - apart from glider towplanes.

[MReyn24050]

Quite surprised that it has lasted this long. Evansb with his suggestions of Caproni Ca 133 and Savoia-Marchetti S.73 was correct in respect of nationality and era, also regarding the number of power-plants.

[evansb]

Macchi C.100 flying boat?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry about the delay, it is the Maachi C100.:ok: I am not sure if the cockpit windows were also behind the pilot's heads, if so it must have been quite an experience to see those three props spinning over one's shoulder.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/mc100-5.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/MacchiM100.jpg
You have control.

[evansb]

Here is my new post. Still waiting for a clue from Tim Inder on his photo..

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/001001.jpg

[Tim Inder]

Still waiting for a clue from Tim Inder on his photo..
Sorry! didn't realise you wanted one as nobody indicated they were still interested. :ouch:
Your photo looks like something Ryan-ey?

[evansb]

Not a Ryan. Including a prototype, 101 were produced.

[MReyn24050]

Wild guess the 1934 Seversky BT-8?

[evansb]

Sorry Mel, not a Seversky. The design of the aircraft is not from the U.S., but the engine is.

[MReyn24050]

Was the engine the Wright Whirlwind R-975-E3 or P & W Wasp Junior?

[evansb]

Neither a Wright nor a P&W. It is a radial though.

[evansb]

The mystery aircraft's maiden flight was in 1940. Production commenced in 1941 and was completed in June, 1942.

[treadigraph]

Canadian airframe? Engine a Continental? Dunno the answer though...!

[JDK]

It's Canadian, it's a Fleet Fort. In the CWH, IIRC?

CWH Fleet Fort Page (http://secure.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_fleet60kfort.html)

Although I think the pic is of their 'half and half' restoration, rather than the 'airworthy' one.

[evansb]

JDK has it:ok: :D Yes, it is a Fleet Fort 60K with a Jacobs engine.

You have control.

[JDK]

Thanks Evansb.

I'll get one up as soon as Photobucket behaves.... Grrr.

[JDK]

Photobucket wouldn'tr behave, then Pprune was 'too busy'. Ah well.

Here 'tis.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/Fxpt.jpg

[Speedbird48]

Cessna L-19 Bird Dog.

Sorry I have nothing else to offer from here??

[JDK]

Correct.

If you can't post a pic, then don't bleedin' guess! Sigh.

Open season.

[Speedbird48]

Oh dear, did little JDK lose his Teddy from the pram!!

It is a little difficult to dig into the archives while in an office!!

You guys do am amazing work digging into the deepest depths for so many cockpits. I must start a dig and have some on file.

Regards,:

[Mr_Grubby]

JDK
Oh dear, JDK, a bit harsh there.
I don't think we should deter anybody from having a guess even if they have no picture to offer if they get it right.
Since I started this thread back in Sep. '05 I have often relied on winners throwing open the door to anybody to post because I rarely get one right !! It gives me the chance to post a picture.
It keeps the thread going.


Clint.

[evansb]

I am looking forward to a new cockpit photo. PLEASE! ANYONE? Otherwise we have to determine Tim Inder's post #268 , which I thought, incorrectly, was a replica Supermarine S5 racer.

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit-4s.JPG

Don't think we have had this one yet !

C.

[evansb]

F-86 Sabre?

[Mr_Grubby]

evansb.

Not what it says here !!
C.

[MReyn24050]

Hi Clint
North American Super Sabre F-100F perhaps?
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Spot on Mel.

Any chance of an up to date list of what we have had ???


Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Clint. A copy of the list is on its way to you it is up to date as at this evening.
The new challenge, I am sure it will not last long.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz223.jpg

[cringe]

Savoia-Marchetti SM.74 Millepiedi

[MReyn24050]

Hi cringe.
Spot on :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/SM74.jpg
You have control
Mel

[cringe]

Thanks, Mel. Here we go:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4860/unkbn2.jpg

[MReyn24050]

From the photograph I detect the aircraft is a highwing monoplane,single engine, tri-cycle undercarriage and dated around late 1930s.Possibly East European.
So I will go for the RWD-13S Air Ambulance.Although the bottom of the door doesnt quite tie in with that assumption.
Mel

[cringe]

I don't know about the air ambulance part, but it is a RWD-13. Well done, Mel. :ok: Your turn again.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks cringe. My reason for the reference to the Air Ambulance was this profile drawing:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/rwd13s.jpg
Next challenge coming up.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Next challenge:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz224.jpg

[evansb]

Cant Z.504?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry, Not the Cant Z504.

[MReyn24050]

No takers? Evansb was correct regarding nationality and era.

[cringe]

Magni Jona J.6

[MReyn24050]

Hi cringe.
If there was one person who I knew would get this rare and unique aircraft it would be you.:D :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/JonaJ.jpg
You have control
Mel

[cringe]

Hi Mel, and thanks. This should not be too difficult:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6518/unkjk9.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The Embraer Phenom perhaps?

[cringe]

Mel,

A Phenom 100 mock-up it is. :D Your turn.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks cringe. It appears to be quite some aircraft. This one was not so grand.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz225.jpg

[treadigraph]

No takers? I'll take a wild and probably hopelessly wrong guess at a Maggie?

[evansb]

Grigorovich PI-1?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Grigorovich PI-1 but similar type of aircraft.

[asw28-866]

Polikarpov of some sort?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry not a Polikarpov, but it was a Russian aircraft.

[treadigraph]

An early MiG?

[asw28-866]

Tupolev I-4?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay. Not an early MIG or a Tupolev.

[evansb]

Kochergin DI-6?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry not the Kochergin DI-6, this aircraft was converted from a trainer aircraft.

[cringe]

Yakovlev UT-1B ?

[MReyn24050]

Cringe I knew this one would not beat you. :ok: :)
It is indeed the Yakovlev UT-1b.
As I understand it,the Yakovlev UT-1b was the night attack version of a training aircraft the UT-1. 32 aircraft were modified by VMAU VMF (Training Institute of Soviet navy). The aircraft was armed with 2x ShKAS 7,62mm machine guns and 4 RO-82 (rocket release rails for RS-82 rockets) or altenatively bomb racks for 4 AO-10 bombs.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/ut1b.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/UT-1BAircraft.jpg
You regain control
Mel

[cringe]

Thanks, Mel. I had a lucky break after your last hint. Can someone else please go next?

List of aircraft types done so far in this thread (http://www.geocities.com/cringe2007/list.htm)

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit-4.JPG

I see a big clue in this picture.

Clint.

[HappyJack260]

Twin engine, single seat, yoke - P-38 Lightning?

[Mr_Grubby]

No sorry, not the P-38.

C.

[MReyn24050]

Hi Clint

I will not bat in this innings.I think I know what the big clue is. Did you get the list I sent you? I see cringe has also published a new list.

Mel

[evansb]

McDonnell XP-67.

[Mr_Grubby]

evansb.

Correct. XP-67 Bat.

Clint.

[evansb]

Thanks Clint. He we go..

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/myplane.jpg

[evansb]

Clue 1: 55 airframes were completed.

[MReyn24050]

Hmmm. COIN aircraft or trainer? Looks as though it might be a tail dragger. The canopy intrigues me as it would seem that the windscreen is integral with the canopy. Date 1960s?

[evansb]

Jane's calls it a STOL utility transport and light tactical support aircraft.
First flight late 1960s.

[evansb]

Another clue: the principal operator was a European army.
Correction to first clue: Approx. 100 airframes were completed.

[jabberwok]

Aermacchi AM3C?

[evansb]

Sorry, not an Aermacchi AM3C. Right part of the world,
right category.

[treadigraph]

Siai Marchetti SM1019?

[evansb]

You are correct! :ok: A SIAI SM1019 it is. Over to you..

[treadigraph]

Sorry, guess inspired by Jabberwok and evansb's clues - I was looking for something seasonal and found this:

http://www.copanational.org/non-members/PacificPerspective/2004/PacificPerspectiveDec04g.jpg

But perhaps you could have a go at this, which I hope hasn't appeared before...

http://www.airliners.net/photos/small/4/5/1/0970154.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Not sure about your first challenge, but from the look of it I am sure it is British. The second one is the Aermacchi AL-60 B2L.
Mel

[treadigraph]

Mel, I am not sure about the first one (Lapland surely! It is a design for a self propelled Santa Sleigh - typed in santa, sleigh and cockpit into Google!) but you are spot on with number 2. You have control...!

[MReyn24050]

treadigraph
Many thanks, unfortunately this one is not so seasonal.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz226.jpg
Mel

[asw28-866]

Mel,
Druine D.53 Turbi?

ASW28

[MReyn24050]

ASW28

Right part of the Continent but not the Druine D.53 Turbi, I am afraid?

Mel

[evansb]

Morane-Saulnier M-S 317?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Morane-Saulnier M-S 317. Sorry.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

As established French and mid 30s and still flying I believe.

[evansb]

Caudron C-272?

[MReyn24050]

Merry Christmas.:) Sorry this one is not the Caudron C-272.

[evansb]

My first thoughts were of a parasol wing, and I shouldn't have strayed from that line of thinking. I believe it is a Potez 60.

[MReyn24050]

It certainly is the Potez 60.:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/potez60-2.jpg
You have control
Mel

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/73135632.jpg

[windriver]

Mitsubishi MU-2L?

[Akubra]

Mitsubishi MU 2L ?
Edit: Doh! :)

[evansb]

Yes, it is a Mitsubishi MU-2. :ok: You have control.

[windriver]

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/bombercommand/89h6np.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Wright Flyer ?

Clint.

[windriver]

Correct.. Well done. "Actually Captioned Wright Biplane" Taken from The Aeroplane. Romance Of Reality : Claude Graham White/ Harry Harper 1914 Edition.

You have control.

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/Cockpit-5.jpg

How about this ?

C.

[windriver]

Am I allowed to ask if the 'scalloping' is part of the aircraft fenestration or the hangar?

[MReyn24050]

I think you will find it is part of the aircraft structure. The cockpit windows or fenestron are above it.

[evansb]

Grumman Duck?

[pigboat]

The Batplane? ;)

[aviate1138]

Bugatti 100? How I wish it could have flown :)

[Mr_Grubby]

evansb has it.

Grumman JF-2 Duck.

Over to you sir.
Clint.

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/76543.jpg

[Akubra]

Hi.

Looks like a Lagg 3?

[evansb]

You are correct!:ok: And quick too!:D It is indeed a LAGG-3. You have control.

[Akubra]

I dont think this one has been posted before.

Good luck
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/cockpit1.jpg

[Akubra]

Its been a few days and no questions asked. I will give a clue or two.


Only one was made and it saw 4 years service.
The engineer had a workbench with mounted vice for maintenance on the go.
It also had four 303 machine guns and an internal telephone system.
It also still holds a record today for its type.

[aviate1138]

Its been a few days and no questions asked. I will give a clue or two.
Only one was made and it saw 4 years service.
The engineer had a workbench with mounted vice for maintenance on the go.
It also had four 303 machine guns and an internal telephone system.
It also still holds a record today for its type.
Pemberton-Billing PB 31E?
More in hope than........... :)
Aviate1138

[Akubra]

Sorry not the Night Hawk Aviate1138.

More clues:
I will say the Pemberton-Billing PB 31E has two more sets of wings than the challenge above.
Don't let the confined cockpit fool you into thinking this is a small plane.

[MReyn24050]

You say it has two sets of wings less than the Night Hawk. So it is a biplane possibly with multi-engines. The enclosed cockpit puts it circa 1920-25 perhaps. Judging by writing on the control locks built in the UK/USA? If it has a workbench in the aircraft would indicate possibly a flying boat?
I think it may well be the Short Sarafand.

In fact I am certain it is the Short Sarafand first flew August 1932 and scrapped at Felixstowe in 1936.

[Akubra]

You say it has two sets of wings less than the Night Hawk. So it is a biplane possibly with multi-engines. The enclosed cockpit puts it circa 1920-25 perhaps. Judging by writing on the control locks built in the UK/USA? If it has a workbench in the aircraft would indicate possibly a flying boat?
I think it may well be the Short Sarafand.

In fact I am certain it is the Short Sarafand first flew August 1932 and scrapped at Felixstowe in 1936.

Nice deduction work MReyn24050.
Control is over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Akubra.
I must admit your clues certainly helped, the tandem cockpit threw me at first.
I am sure this one will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz227.jpg
Mel

[stevef]

I'm jumping up and down because I think I know what it is! But as I 've got nothing to post in exchange, I'll shut up. I must say that I'm continually amazed by the knowledge of obscure cockpits posted in this section.

[Mr_Grubby]

stevef

Don't be daft. Go ahead and have a go.
It doesn't matter that you have nothing to post. Somebody will pick up the thread.

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

As Clint says please do not hold back if you know what it is have a go. Someone will always post a challenge if you are unable too. Clint started this great thread some 550 cockpits ago.
Mel

[stevef]

Thanks, Cliff & Mel, I wasn't sure of the etiquette. I've had second thoughts about my identification. The transparency framework suggested the Me264 but a little research this afternoon shows otherwise: the control column is cranked from the other side and there's an instrument console just forward of it. So, no cigar for me...
I'm pretty sure it's German, though.

[MReyn24050]

No problem. This one is not a German aircraft, unfortunately the first photograph does not include the panel the following photo is of the panel part of which is in the original photo top right corner.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz227a.jpg
Mel

[oncemorealoft]

I don't have access to the list of cockpits already featured, but isn't this the HE 111?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry not the HE 111,similar but this one was not built in Germany.
Mel

[treadigraph]

Presumably a CASA 2111 then?

[MReyn24050]

Not the CASA 2111. I apologise if these shots have led one down the wrong path, hopefully this third photograph will make things clearer. It is the same aircraft type. It was not my intention to mislead.
Mel.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz227b.jpg

[treadigraph]

No worries Mel! I haven't got a clue though!

Cheers

Treadders

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Treadders.
If it helps it was around the same era as the HE 111. It was also a twin engined aircraft and I believe that some 200 were built.
Mel

[evansb]

Is it Russian? perhaps the AR-2?

[MReyn24050]

:D It is most certainly the Arkangelski Ar2:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/AR2-2.jpg
You have control.
HAPPY NEW YEAR

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/colrcpit.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Long shot I know but Aero L-60 SF Brigadyr perhaps?

[pigboat]

Bellanca 66-75 Aircruiser?

[evansb]

:D You got it right!:ok: A Bellanca Aircruiser it is. Over to you.

[stevef]

A bit late, but that naming Arkangelski Ar2 was a cracker, evansb. I did a websearch on it and there was very little to go on. They don't come much more obscure than that.
As I can't supply a photograph at present, as a diversion, can anyone name a one-off flying boat with a retractable hull?

[Loki]

The Saro Lerwick? No, the Blackburn B20....I think the Lerwick was chosen for production instead of the Blackburn.

[MReyn24050]

It was the Blackburn B20
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Boat2.jpg
The aircraft was built at Blackburn's new Clydeside factory at Dumbarton. It took three years to complete first flew about March 1940, crashed into the River Clyde off Gourock Head 7th April 1940.Two crew escaped by parachute but the Pilot Flt Lt Bailey was killed. B-44 a retractable float fighter was to have followed but advances in other fields made the idea obsolete.

[stevef]

Pretty swift, Loki & Mel. Spot on!

[pigboat]

Evansb, I ran through my meager collection of cockpit photos back in What Cockpit? Mk IV. :O

If someone else would like a go, it will be my pleasure. :ok:

[Mr_Grubby]

No takers yet so try this one to keep things going.


http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit-6.jpg


Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Nice one Clint. I know this one but will not pick up the pole on this and give someone else a chance.
All the best for the New Year.
Mel

[windriver]

Nothing ventured.....

Bristol Belvedere?

[Mr_Grubby]

windriver.

Good guess, but no.

C.

[aerobelly]

Hmmm, it does look somewhat Chinook -ish then?


'b

[Speedpig]

Hmmm, it does look somewhat Chinook -ish then?


'b

I wanted to say that!

[SASless]

Sikorsky CH-53 two engine models...A, D but not an E model.
More likely an A model I would guess.

Chinooks do not have a gear lever and the engine levers are on the center console and the thust lever has no friction just a thrust brake.

[Mr_Grubby]

SASless has it.
CH-3 Jolly Green Giant.

Clint.

[evansb]

I believe the Sikorsky CH-3/S-61 Sea King (Jolly Green) and the Sikorsky CH-53/S-65 Stallion are different helicopters.

Regards.
Bri

[Mr_Grubby]

evansb.

bri,
you have the better of me on this.
I bow to your superior knowledge !!

Clint.

[SASless]

They are different aircraft....I stand corrected.

[evansb]

Looking forward to your cockpit photo!;)

[MReyn24050]

The U.S. Air Force acquired the Sea King for combat search and rescue missions, redesignated the HH-3 and it received the nickname "Jolly Green Giant" in Vietnam. As you well know the "Jolly Green Giant" was a symbol of the Green Giant food company. The aircraft was given the knickname due to it's size and green finish. Later the larger HH-53 helicopter received the nickname, "Super Jolly Green Giant".
A transport version with a rear loading ramp was designated the CH-3. The CH-3, of which type Clint's challenge is, is also referred to as the Jolly Green Giant
http://www.jollygreen.org/h3loc.htm

[SASless]

This should take just a few minutes....




http://www.yo-3a.com/images/200_Brand_New_Morrow_.JPG

[windriver]

Lockheed YO3-A ?

[SASless]

Correct......carry on....your turn.

[windriver]

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/bombercommand/89h7np.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Boeing C-97 Stratofreighter ???

C.

[stevef]

Rats! Beaten to the post!
:^-)

[SASless]

......or is it the Boeing Model 377 Stratocruiser (Passenger Version) to be precise?

The C-97 was the Model 367 Stratofreighter (Freighter version).

[windriver]

SASless wins... it's the 'Cruiser.. you have control

[SASless]

http://image02.webshots.com/2/8/83/90/52588390ZPcgtX_ph.jpg

[jabberwok]

Definitely a Phantom.. :}

[SASless]

......or Stealth.....tarnation! It was there a minute ago...will repost. (I hope!)

Let's try this one....

http://www.lindberghfoundation.org/photos/cockpit.jpg

[pigboat]

Could it be a Ryan NYP?

[SASless]

The whicker seat must have given it away.....couldn't be the periscope for a windshield and 97 petcocks for the fuel system! I jest about the number of fuel cocks....think about flying the Atlantic with that dash of instruments!:D

Early in 1927 he obtained the backing of several St. Louis men to compete for the $25,000 prize offered by Raymond Orteig in 1919 for the first nonstop flight between New York City and Paris. In February of that year Lindbergh placed an order with Ryan Airlines in San Diego for an aircraft with specifications necessary to make the flight.

Development began based on a standard Ryan M-2, with Donald A. Hall as principal designer. Certain modifications to the basic high-wing, strut-braced monoplane design had to be made because of the nature of the flight. The wingspan was increased by 10 feet and the structural members of the fuselage and wing cellule were redesigned to accommodate the greater fuel load. Plywood was fitted along the leading edge of the wings. The fuselage design followed that of a standard M-2 except that it was lengthened 2 feet. The cockpit was moved further to the rear for safety and the engine was moved forward for balance, thus permitting the fuel tank to be installed at the center of gravity. The pilot could see forward only by means of a periscope or by turning the aircraft to look out of a side window. A Wright Whirlwind J-5C engine supplied the power.

Late in April 1927 the work on the aircraft was completed. It was painted silver and carried registration number N-X-21 1, which, with all other lettering on the plane, was painted in black. Lindbergh made several test flights, and then flew the aircraft from San Diego to New York on May 10—12, making only one stop, at St. Louis. His flight time of 21 hours, 40 minutes set a new transcontinental record.

[pigboat]

Combination of the petcocks, the seat and the broom stick. ;)

I've flown floats and skis in Northern Quebec back when the two most prominent markings on the map were 'unmapped' and 'elevation unknown'. Then I look at that photo and think my experience was pretty small beer in comparison. :O

Go ahead and post another cockpit SASless, I'm fresh out.

[SASless]

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/061127-F-1234S-021.jpg

[NZDP]

Is that a B-52 ?

[MReyn24050]

Your Post #448 was a Cessna T-37 Tweet and to confirm NZDP Post #454 is the Boeing B-52D 'Stratofortress'.

[SASless]

Right you are.....gold star...go to the head of the class. Your turn!

[MReyn24050]

Thanks SASless. It is NZDP to go next as he did get the B52, I understand from your post regarding the stealth aircraft that there was a problem with the Cessna photograph and not everyone saw it. If NZDP cannot post a challenge I have one. Mel

[SASless]

Somehow the Tweet did a disappearing act....must be a "Cat" is around somewhere!

[evansb]

The last few cockpits have been posted before, some have been posted more than twice. For a current list of
cockpit posts, please visit Cringe's thread #352, page 18, and download a copy of Aircraft types - What cockpit?.

[NZDP]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/NZDP/mini-P1000282.jpg

[evansb]

PAC Cresco?

[NZDP]

Sorry No,- Almost

[Mr_Grubby]

FU-24 Fletcher ?

C.

[windriver]

Pilatus Porter

[NZDP]

FU-24 Fletcher ?
C.
Bugger ! Yep, well it's a Walter Flecter but close enough. Your turn !

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/NZDP/mini-DJE.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

NZDP
Thanks mate.
I have had a few goes recently so open house.
Clint.

[windriver]

Can't compete with a Flecter:eek: .. so an easier interlude to give the rest of us a brief chance of glory...

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/aviation/bombercommand/89N7Op.jpg

[SASless]

JU-87 Stuka maybe?

[windriver]

Correct.. your go.

[SASless]

http://uscockpits.com/Helicopters/AH-56%20Cheyenne%20Pilot.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Pilot's station of Lockheed Cheyenne AH-56A.
Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

SASless

Tip.
Don't leave the identity of the picture in the properties !!!!

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Clint
Totally agree with what you say just seen what you are referring too but reply was based on knowledge and files held.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/ah-56a-2.jpg
Mel

[SASless]

A gentleman knows when to avert his eyes, sir!

[Mr_Grubby]

Gentlemen, your integrity is beyond reproach !!

C.

[MReyn24050]

Showing my age with this one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz228.jpg
Mel

[treadigraph]

Showing your age? Nonsense! Showing my ignorance... Westland S-51 Widgeon?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry treaders this one was not one from Westland's stable.However, you are correct in that it is Rotary.
Mel

[evansb]

The obscure Moravan (Zlin) Z-35 Heli Trener? The prototype XZ-135 perhaps?

[SASless]

Something French and kin to the Alouette series by looking at the door jettison handle.

[MReyn24050]

Cet avion n'est pas français. evansb has it is the XZ-135 :ok: . You have control evansb.

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/74417223.jpg

[NZDP]

Haha thats a Part Banana P68. Or a "Partenavia" as it should be so correctly said...

[evansb]

You are correct!:ok: Over to you.

[NZDP]

Ok an easy one which has seen better days....

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/NZDP/mini-2006_09290134.jpg

[evansb]

Curtiss P-40?

[NZDP]

Far out that was quick. A little too easy. I thought that surviving the melting pot and 50 years of storage might disguise her a little, - obviously not.... well done :D

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/264-10.jpg

[cringe]

Messerschmitt Me-264

[stevef]

Aw, beaten to it again. Definitely the Me264, as cringe says (mentioned a couple of pages back).

[evansb]

Yes it is a Me-264!:ok: You have control.

[cringe]

Thanks. Here we go:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6550/unk00kc6.jpg

[evansb]

Breda Ba.27?

[cringe]

Spot on! :ok: Your turn again, evansb.

[evansb]

Thanks cringe. This aircraft has been restored, and the cockpit configuration is authentic.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/redeux.jpg

[evansb]

Hint: The aircraft was built in the late 1950s.

[MReyn24050]

An Ag Cab perhaps?

[evansb]

Sorry Mel, this aircraft was designed for the military.

[evansb]

Hint: aircraft not manufactured in U.S., but has a U.S. built engine.