What Cockpit ?

[Bert Stiles]

Messerschmitt M 28 ? Or something in that series ?

[Wunper]

Not German but the right side of the pond Bert

[MReyn24050]

What about the channel is it a tunnel too far? UK or the Continent?

[Saab Dastard]

If not German how about French? Potez...43?

Or perhaps Latecoere L.28?

[Bert Stiles]

Saab ......I don't think it'll be your Potez and it ain't the Late. I reckon it's one of your's 'cos weren't the Swedes the only other European nation to drive on the left like us Brits ?

- I'm stumped for now.

Apologies for second guessing.

[Wunper]

SD Neither German or French but very warm on date with the Latecoere L.28
Bert not Swedish either.

[jabberwok]

It's not a Fokker but is it Dutch?

[MReyn24050]

How about the Swiss. Comte AC-8 "Jungfrau" or perhaps the Dutch Koolhoven F.K.43?

[Wunper]

Not Dutch or Swiss but from Yerp & further clue it was a record breaker.
W

[jabberwok]

Italian then? Macchi?

[MReyn24050]

Not American, Canadian, Swiss, Swedish,British,German, Dutch or French. How about Italian perhaps Savoia-Marchetti S.64

Italian Fliers Set New Endurance Record Of 58 Hr. 37 Min. in a Savoia-Marchetti (Aviation) S.64. June 11, 1928

However I am going on breaking records not sure of the size of the aircraft apart from it being single engined.

[Saab Dastard]

Seaplane or landplane?

[fernytickles]

I was going to suggest the Savoia-Marchetti S.55

[MReyn24050]

fernyfreckles

I also was going to say that but the SM S-55 was a two engined aircraft, two engines in tandam formation. Wunper agreed it was a single engined aircraft.

[Wunper]

MReyn24050 you are on !
It's the Cockpit of the elegant Savioa Marchetti S.64 I-SAAV
In 1928 Major Carlo Del Prete and Captain Arturo Ferrarin set two world records with this machine.
In June they flew a closed circuit distance of 4140Nm in 58 1/2 hours
In July they set a world record distance of 4023Nm with a transatlantic flight from Rome to Touros Beach at
Port Natal in Brasil in just over 44hrs quite a remarkable machine powered by a Fiat A.22 engine.
Here are a couple of pictures
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/S64group.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/S64sketch.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/S64close.jpg
Over to you W:ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thank you wunper. That was an excellant challenge. I would love to know where you got the photograph of the cockpit from but can understand if you wish to keep the source a secret. This I am sure will not last as long as yours did.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz10.jpg

Mel

[Wunper]

Mel
Glad you enjoyed it
All the photos from that challenge came from an Italian book
Title "S.I.A.I. Pagine Di Storia" published by ED.A.I. S.r.l
W

[MReyn24050]

Thanks wunper. Do I take it you flew or fly helicopters? Wunper, one per revolution?

[cringe]

Boeing 40A ?

[MReyn24050]

cringe
Its the right answer:ok:
You have control
Mel

[cringe]

Thanks, Mel. The next pic is rather small, though I'm sure that won't present a problem for experts of your caliber. :)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk30.jpg

[sycamore]

H-P Hampden, or a bit later?

[cringe]

Same era, but not the Hampden.

[682al]

One of the Potex 630 series or derivative?

[cringe]

Spot on, 682al. :ok: It was the Potez 631. 208 examples built. Another pic:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk30a.jpg

Your turn.

[682al]

Apologies once again for this not being a full cockpit, but the clues are there nonetheless...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-21.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Rev counter. Aurogiro?

[spitfire]

Definitely an early autogiro... Cierva? Pitcairn? Kellett? Avro? Weir? Wilford?

[MReyn24050]

I would say Pitcairn PA-19

[682al]

Awww, I knew it would be easy enough.

Spitfire has it - twice over!

It's a Cierva C.30 built by Avro (I blurred their name plate out).

[fernytickles]

Spitfire asked me to say he doesn't have time to post a cockpit and can someone else post one please :-)

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit-.jpg

Don't think we have had one of these yet.

C.

[MReyn24050]

Clint

Top left hand corner looks loke a prop blade so I gather this is a powerful tail dragging single seater perhaps in the YAK 50 class?

Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Certainly a taildragger.

C.

[The Invisible Cat]

One thunk 'tis a LET/Zlin Z37 Cmelak (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0501849/M/)
One heard it can be used as a glider tug (http://virtualsoaring.org/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=717) too :ok:

[Mr_Grubby]

Mr Cat,
Well done, it is indeed a Zlin Cmelak.

You have control.


C.

[The Invisible Cat]

Thanks, Mr_Grubby, here yer go

http://mtill.club.fr/tmp/cockpit.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The cockpit of M2-F1 Lifting Body NASA Research Centre Dryden I believe.

[The Invisible Cat]

'twas a quick one, MReyn24050, yer believe right :ok:
O'er to yer

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Invisible Cat. It was a lucky one I had come across it in my search for finding one that hasn't been used before.
I am sure this will be solved just as quick.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz24.jpg

[The Invisible Cat]

Slingsby T31 Tandem Tutor, per chance ?
On second toughts, one thunk not, but one won't delete one's post, out of sheer fairness, of course ;)
A vintage glider nevertheless :rolleyes:

[MReyn24050]

Invisible Cat

Sorry not a glider.

Mel

[Wunper]

Hawker Cygnet?
W

[MReyn24050]

Not the Hawker Cygnet Wunper

[Mr_Grubby]

Pou Du Ciel
Flying Flea ??


C.

[MReyn24050]

Clint
Sorry not the Pou Du Ciel, Flying Flea. I apologise for the small photograph. I have tried to enlarge it but on transfer photobucket reduces the resolution.
This particular aircraft was rebuilt from numerous boxes of components from the original airframe.
Mel

[Genghis the Engineer]

Certainly not the Flying Flea - I can see rudder pedals, a feature noticeably lacking from the couple of derivatives that I've had the privilege of flying.

Possibly the dH53 Humming Bird?

G

N.B. Photobucket doesn't look at image size, it looks at filesize. If you set your jpg compression higher you may be able to avoid this problem.

[Wunper]

Front cockpit of Avro 504N ?

W

[MReyn24050]

As edited above whilst Genghis and Wunper were writing.

This particular aircraft was rebuilt from numerous boxes of components from the original airframe. A number of components had to be rebuilt from scratch to the original design.

Not the DH 53 Humming Bird or Avro 504. However the designer did at one time work for Avro.

[foxmoth]

Nearer a Sopwith Pup, or that era? (Lewis gun handle top right?)

[MReyn24050]

Riight era Foxmoth.Not one of Tommy Sopwith's though.

[foxmoth]

Talking British? SE5a?

[MReyn24050]

This one was from the other side on the pond. It was built and designed in the USA.

[Saab Dastard]

Royal Aircraft Factory RE 8?

Or Bristol F.2B Fighter?

Just read Mel's post - must be the Curtiss Jenny! B.D. Thomas (the designer) worked for Avro AND Sopwith!

No, it isn't - it's a Thomas Morse S4C Scout

[Wunper]

don't think its a Jenny how about a Thomas Morse Scout?

W

[MReyn24050]

Saab Dastard and Wunper. Well Gentlemen it would appear that you both arrived at the same answer at the same time although Saab Dastard did state the Mark. It was the Thomas-Morse S4C Scout. So lets call it a draw, but Saab Dastard gets the honour of posting the next challenge?

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Thomas-MorseS-4Scout.jpg

[foxmoth]

I just new I should have posted before going for tea:{

[MReyn24050]

I know the problem foxmoth. I am sure you will agree that this thread is really fascinating. We await the next challenge.

[Saab Dastard]

Thanks Mel, nice one!
Here's an interesting one -
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/Saab-Dastard/Mystery%20Cockpit/mystery7.jpg

[foxmoth]

Looks too modern for me (This is history and nostalgia), but maybe the answer will prove me wrong:}

[Saab Dastard]

Foxmoth - it is about 30 years old, and there are none flying anymore, so I think it qualifies under both history and nostalgia!

There's two clues!

[foxmoth]

but maybe the answer will prove me wrong
Well I did say so! - but still no idea:confused:

[BSD]

Looks like loads-a-fun! Could it be a Wing Derringer?

[Saab Dastard]

BSD - Nope, not a Wing Derringer.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Caproni C22J

http://www.machdiamonds.com/C22Ja.jpg

Does look fun doesn't it.

G

[Genghis the Engineer]

And, to show how confident I am, here's one from me.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/GenghistheEngineer/PPrune%20display%20photos/Cockpit28Feb06.jpg

For what it's worth as a clue, the flight bag is mine, and this was the 96th type in my logbook. :D :ok: (And yes, it is as fun as it looks).

G

[Saab Dastard]

Stinson Voyager?

[treadigraph]

G, it's not Melvyn Hiscock's Rearwin is it?

Re the Caproni - did you see it fly at Farnborough - 1980 was it?

[Genghis the Engineer]

Damn you're good Saab, it is indeed an S108-2 Voyager. As it happens I now own 1/10th of it, so the next PPrune fly-in if you ask nicely enough, I may give you a go.

Treadi - as it happens I did (1986 I think), but it didn't make much impression on me, I found the answer from clues in the picture and a chunk of detectivework, and then remembered having seen it.

Talking of which, if anybody's a member and didn't know, allegedly there's going to be some kind of SETP get-together at F'bro this year. But, that wouldn't preclude a PPrune meet-up as well perhaps?

G

[JDK]

G, it's not Melvyn Hiscock's Rearwin is it?

Waaaayyy to many instruments! ;)

[Saab Dastard]

Genghis, the combination of those distinctive control yokes and the angled cockpit glazing bars is very distinctive - added to my recollection of your suggesting a Stinson as the answer to a previous challenge - makes it seem that I am more knowledgable than I am!
Try this:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/Saab-Dastard/Mystery%20Cockpit/mystery8.jpg

[BSD]

Saab, I'm fairly confident about this one! I'll go for the Morane-Saulnier Paris jet. I think it's properly known as an MS 760? What do you say?

[Wunper]

But for the sticks I would have said Piper Aerostar , ok a modified Aerostar!

But I think BSD might have it with his suggestion

W

[Saab Dastard]

BSD, I would say - Yes!

[BSD]

You beauty! Ta Saab. Still working on how to post photos and of course, something to post. May I once again throw it open to the floor?

[Bert Stiles]

Try this one folks. Possibly one for Treaders.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/PTST.jpg

[treadigraph]

Why, is it a repeat? :}

Can't see it till I get home... the b*****rs here have stopped us seeing Photobucket, etc!!!!

[Genghis the Engineer]

Possibly a very poorly NAY N3N-3?

G

[Saab Dastard]

Butler Blackhawk? Obviously in need of some TLC, whatever it is!

[BSD]

Boeing Stearman? Probably one converted to crop-spraying. That would explain it's work-weary appearance. If it is, it's another in my " loads-a-fun" category. Anybody recall the scene with the Stearman and the helicopters in Capricorn One?

[Bert Stiles]

Very quick Mr Genghis, it is exactly as you said.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/leftsiden3n.jpg

I think it's your go now.

[Genghis the Engineer]

The N3N-3 was No.73 in my logbook, a huge ungainly pussycat of an aeroplane with absolutely no forward view during anything except for level cruise. But, it was a lovely comfortable and truly classic way of getting airborne. Better still, I was being paid for flying it - trying to obtain data to get one onto a (UK) Public Transport CofA (in which we succeeded).

I'm temporarily away from my photo library, so maybe somebody else could jump in whilst I dig something out?

G

[Wunper]

Ok G If I may?
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/Guesswot.jpg

[gas path]

Oops sorry wunper you beat me to it:{
duly deleted!

[Wunper]

Cheers Gas Path , this won't take long anyway!!
W

[682al]

de H Moth Minor?

[Wunper]

nope its from a slightly earlier era
W

[cringe]

DH 53 Humming Bird ?

[simon niceguy]

Hawker Cygnet ??

[Wunper]

Cringe you are correct with the Lympne trials DH53 Humming bird
Don't know who is in the chair now as Genghis has a credit as does Gas path
So I suggest whomever is quickest on the draw for the challenge.

W:ok:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/DH53Lympne.jpg

[gas path]

Ok I'll jump in with an easy one..........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/gaspath/try_this.jpg

[con-pilot]

A PQ-14 with the remote control auto-pilot installed?

[gas path]

'fraid not con:}

[Saab Dastard]

Looks like a jet trainer - tandem - with some test instrumentation on board.

Is it an Aermacchi MB326M Impala?

Or a WSK TS 11 bis DF Iskra

It looks a bit like an L29 (that's Aero L-29 Delfin)

Even looks a bit like a prototype / research Gnat!

[jabberwok]

Wasn't the prototype Gnat called the Midge?

[BSD]

My money is on Saab, I reckon he's got it, but not with the Gnat. Don't the instruments look Soviet bloc type? Also, is that an accelerometer just below the glareshield which registers -4 to +12? That would be fun!

[MReyn24050]

Wasn't the prototype Gnat called the Midge?
Often referred to as the prototype Gnat but perhaps it should be known as the fore runner of Gnat.
With compliments to www.fags.org.
"The Gnat was the creation of W.E.W. "Teddy" Petter, a British aircraft designer who had gained wide recognition for his design of the English Electric Canberra bomber and other aircraft. Petter had grown suspicious of the trend towards bigger and more expensive combat aircraft, and he felt that a small, simple fighter would offer the advantages of low purchase and operational costs. New lightweight turbojet engines were being developed that would be able to power such small fighters.
W E W Petter the designer of the Canberra bomber was unable to pursue this vision at English Electric, so he left to become managing director of Folland Aircraft. In 1951, using company funds, he began work on his lightweight fighter concept, which he designated the "Fo-141 Gnat". The Gnat was to be powered by a Bristol BE-22 Saturn turbojet with 16.9 kN (1,724 kg / 3,800 lb) thrust.
However, the Saturn was cancelled, and so Petter's unarmed proof-of-concept prototype for the Gnat was powered by the less powerful Armstrong Siddeley Viper 101 with 7.3 kN (744 kg / 1,640 lb) thrust. A prototype was designated the "Fo-139 Midge". The Midge first flew on 11 August 1954 with Teddy Tennant at the controls, and proved to be an excellent aircraft.
The Midge was evaluated by pilots from Canada, India, Jordan, New Zealand, and the US Air Force, and was almost universally praised. The Midge had performed a total of 220 flights when it was destroyed in a fatal crash on 26 September 1955, with a Swiss pilot at the controls.
However, the Midge had demonstrated that Petter's lightweight fighter concept had much going for it. Folland went on to develop a full-scale Gnat prototype, also using company funds.
The full-scale aircraft, designated the "Fo-145 Gnat", performed its initial flight on 18 July 1955, again with Tennant at the controls. It was very similar to the Midge, but had a maximum takeoff weight about twice as large. It was powered by a preproduction Bristol Orpheus turbojet with 14.6 kN (1,490 kg / 3,285 lb) thrust."

[LowNSlow]

I reckon it's an early Gnat fitted with test equipment.

[Genghis the Engineer]

The / A Midge is there to be seen in the Hall of Aviation in Southampton, one of my favourite museums.

The Gnat design was eventually sold to Hindustan Aeronautics who developed it into the Ajeet, which starred in "Hot-Shots", the Top-Gun lampoon.

G

[Genghis the Engineer]

Whilst we're waiting to find out if that's a Gnat, Midge, or some other small biting insect, this I hope might be reasonably difficult...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/GenghistheEngineer/PPrune%20display%20photos/img013.jpg

G

[LowNSlow]

Genghis, is it a FRED?

[Genghis the Engineer]

Nope, but I can see why you'd think it might be.

G

[682al]

A Tiger Cub microlight?

[Wunper]

Is it one of the more modern versions of the Flying Flea?
http://www.flyingflea.org/images/mignet.gif
W

[Genghis the Engineer]

682, nope, Wunper, warm.

G

[Saab Dastard]

Is it a high-wing or parasol monoplane?

It looks like an in-line engine - is it British? Is it as old as it looks - 1920/30?

[BSD]

Genghis - How about a Currie Wot? Bit of a guess though as I'm not sure strut arrangement around the cockpit is quite right.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Saab, BSD wrong on all counts (apart from being correct that there's something different about the strut arrangement from a Currie Wot, and this particular example had an in-line engine).

The actual aeroplane is post-war, but derived from a pre WW2 design which had a small, but interesting part to play in that conflict.

G

[MReyn24050]

Platzer Kiebitz B-450

[Genghis the Engineer]

Nope,

G

[Wunper]

An HM290 or HM293 n'est pas?
http://www.flyingflea.org/images/hm290.jpg

W

[gas path]

Sorry for the delay, work got in the way:hmm: Anyway Saab Dastard takes the honours 'twas indeed an Iskra TS-11:ok:

Actually the PZL variety

[Genghis the Engineer]

Wunper T'was indeed, an HM293.

Somewhere or other I posted my notes on flying it a while ago. Lovely little aeroplane.

6 hours and 5 minutes, a new record for me I think :cool:

G

[MReyn24050]

Wunper T'was indeed, an HM293.
Somewhere or other I posted my notes on flying it a while ago. Lovely little aeroplane.
6 hours and 5 minutes, a new record for me I think :cool:
G
Agreed it was a good challenge. As I understand it it is Saab Dastard's turn to submit the next challenge with Wunper one in the spout so to speak.

[Saab Dastard]

Genghis, can you honestly tell me that isn't a high-wing or parasol monoplane - albeit with an oversize horizontal stabilizer? ;)

Not that I begrudge you the 6 hours or anything :)

Sorry for the scattergun approach Gas Path - it was a sort of thinking aloud post!

Here's one to start the weekend with - it isn't a great photo, as it's a scan of a B&W original, reduced to fit.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/Saab-Dastard/Mystery%20Cockpit/mystery9.jpg

[Genghis the Engineer]

No, it's an staggered biplane with an all-flying forward wing.

Anyhow, if you throw that many suggestions in one post, you can hardly expect anybody to be too helpful :E


As for yours, it's not the Bristol 138 is it?


G

[Wunper]

G
I understand the original Fleas had a dangerous mode (I think if dived too fast) which could not be controlled by the wire foreplane pitch control which is why the modern ones have push rod foreplane pitch controls.
I have a copy of the original Henri Mignet book
"The Flying Flea"
how to build and fly it
translated by the Air League of the British Empire
It is dedicated
To those who dream of having wings...
To the memory of those who have loved them so greatly.
It has this rather touching epilogue with an excellent third paragraph and an epic final sentence.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/Mignet.jpg

[Saab Dastard]

Hiya G - no it's not a Bristol.

[gas path]

One of Messrs Blackburn's offerings?

[Saab Dastard]

Nor Blackburn...

It has dual nationality (or split personality!)

[Wunper]

Post war
Military ab initio trainer
Single uninjected engine
Tail dragger retractable
One of the countries was British
Dunno!
W

[BSD]

I think this is a cunning one! Could this be a Harvard? The RAF had a couple that had modified cockpits, and were flown by the ETPS at Boscombe Down.
I'll go out on a limb and suggest it is one of those...........

[Saab Dastard]

Wunper,

Post war - designed well before, produced during and after

Military ab initio trainer - used by the military, yes, but as an advanced trainer rather than ab-initio, I believe (among other uses)

Single uninjected engine - yes

Tail dragger retractable - no (initially yes) and yes, retractable

One of the countries was British - did I say that? ;)

BSD - not a Harvard.

[Saab Dastard]

Mike, not a Miles

Not sure where this fixation with being British (in part or whole) is coming from!

To clarify:

Tail dragger - no (initially yes)

Retractable u/c - yes, retractable

[MReyn24050]

North American T28 Trojan

[MReyn24050]

Agreed Mike.
Just wondered if it was based on the T6 Texan.
Mel

[Saab Dastard]

American, no.

Another clue, it's not tandem - it's a 4-seater!

[MReyn24050]

SAAB Safir from the Bestman?

[MReyn24050]

We were informed it once had a tailwheel undercarriage so I am thinking Saab was considering the aircraft's evolution.

"The similarity between the "Safir" and the Bü 181 Bestman is far from just coincident, it can be seen as the "next step" in it's design, the most obvious difference being the retractable tricycle undercarriage. The first prototype took to the air on the 20/11/1945"

[Saab Dastard]

Mike and Mel,

Nice thinking, but not correct. You are on the right lines with the "evolution" angle, though.

[mikl]

The item on the left side seems to be an electric variable pitch like one can find on Nord 1000 or 1001( formerly Me 108 )
Lest's say that's one of these birds modified to american standarts.

[682al]

...in which case it has to be one of the post war Nords, based on the Messerschmitt 108?

If I have to guess, I'll say a Nord 1101.

[mikl]

Nord 1101 was a tricycle and Nord 1000 or 1001 (2 ? ) a tail dragger like the Me 108.

[MReyn24050]

I think Mikl & 682al have it

"SNCAN (Nord) 1001 Pingouin I (Penguin) - The was the first in the Nord 1000 Series which started production in 1945. It was a three-seat version of the Bf 108 built by SNCAN (Nord) in Les Mureaux near Paris replacing the standard Argus engine with the 233 hp (174 kW) Renault 6Q-11 engine.


SNCAN (Nord) 1002 Pingouin II (Penguin) - Similiar to the SNCAN (Nord) 1001 Pingouin but using a Renault 6Q-10 engine of similiar power but providing four-seat accomodation. About 250 Pingouin Is and IIs were built, most of them ending up with the French Armed Services who used them in communication and liaison roles.


SNCAN (Nord) 1100 Noralpha - During 1943-44 Nord built two prototypes of the Messerschmitt Me 208 for the Germans, which differed from the Bf 108 by introducing retractable tricycle landing. Only one servived the war, and it was liberated by the French who redesignated it the sole Nord 1100 Noralpha.


SNCAN (Nord) 1101 Ramier I (Woodpidgeon) - Based on the single captured Me 208 (Nord 1100 Noralpha), the Societé Nationale de Constructions Aeronautiques du Nord (SNCAN) produced post-war the Nord 1101 Ramier I with a Renault 6Q-10 engine."

[mikl]

I flew both of them ,almost fifty years ago, really tricky aeroplanes( specially the" penguin" with this narrow gear track, and the" 30 strokes "gear lever- the Ramier had hydraulic( ? ) OR electric LG )
But both had that funny propeller pitch control and-I keep that for the last- an air bottle for starting the engine !
Better to be lucky at your first attempt !!!
need more than two hands for stating- and in fact- for flying

By the way, I forgot to mention the magnetos LEVER ( yes, lever) on the LH side.

[barit1]

Actor Cliff Robertson had a Nord taildragger (1001 I think) painted in Luftwaffe insignia - It might have been one of those used in "The Longest Day". I saw it at a Pease AFB show about 1970.

[Saab Dastard]

Yes indeed, the Nord 1101 Noralpha / Ramier.

"Nephew" of the Bf 108, "cousin" of the Me 208.

Designed in Germany, built in France during but mainly after WW2 and served for many years with the French Air Force as a Communications, Liaison and advanced trainer.

682al got there first.

[682al]

I'll miss my turn if Mikl would like to put one up, or failing that, anyone else fancy having a go?

[Saab Dastard]

Must be Wunper at the oche!

[cringe]

Here's a quick one while we're waiting for Wunper's return:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk29.jpg

[B Fraser]

Grumman ?

Almost no clues to be had from that pic :*

[cringe]

Nope, not a Grumman.

[Wunper]

WW2 Military twin but not confident
Is it a Messerschmitt Bf 110?
W

[cringe]

Correct on the WW2 and military bit. Not the Bf 110.

[jabberwok]

Maybe Republic? It looks similar to the P47..

[cringe]

Sorry, not a Republic. It's not American.

[Saab Dastard]

So:

Single engine
WW2
Not American

Could it be Japanese?

[cringe]

Not Japanese either.

[jabberwok]

German then because of the efficient panel layout. :8

[cringe]

Nope, not German.

[jabberwok]

In for a penny despite having no idea whatsoever..

Campini Caproni CC. 2

[cringe]

Not a Caproni.

[jabberwok]

This is like trying to get blood out of a stone.. :E

Staying with the Italian idea, Reggiane Re 2007

[cringe]

It is a single seater, but not Italian.

[jabberwok]

So it's not German, Italian or Japanese.

On the Aliied side it isn't American and (I presume) not British.

Is it Polish? No, forget that. Russian?

[cringe]

Neither British, Polish nor Russian.

[jabberwok]

Mutter, mutter, mutter...

SAAB 21

[cringe]

Nah... not Swedish. :E

[Saab Dastard]

Dewoitine D520?

[cringe]

Not the D520, we had it here already.

[jabberwok]

Nah... not Swedish.

That rules out IKEA then. :*

Having had no input from our Canadian and Oz experts can we at least eliminate those countries?

[gas path]

French or Czech?????

[cringe]

Not Czech, Canadian or Australian. :)

[jabberwok]

French then..

Morane-Saulnier MS 450

[cringe]

Yes, French. Not the MS 450 though.

[jabberwok]

Purely guesswork now so one more and I'll bow out.

Latecoere Late 299

[cringe]

Sorry, not a Latecoere either.

[Saab Dastard]

Potez 53?


SD

[Saab Dastard]

A Caudron - 714 or 760?

[cringe]

Neither a Potez nor a Caudron. This type's potential was cut short by the German invasion.

[jabberwok]

Arsenal or Bloch?

Sorry - I said I would shut up. :uhoh:

[Saab Dastard]

Bloch MB-152?

[cringe]

It's not a Bloch! Arsenal IS correct.

[Saab Dastard]

That would be the Arsenal VG-33 then?

[cringe]

That's the one. :ok:

[Saab Dastard]

Well Jabberwok really got it, so he or Wunper should go next

[Wunper]

OK here you go
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/guesswhat3.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

Thorpe T-211 ?

[BSD]

Oh my word, could this be an early version of the most exciting 'plane in the world----- the CAP 10?

[Wunper]

Bert you are correct a T-211 "Skyskooter" designed by John Thorp
W

[Bert Stiles]

Thanks Wunper.
Here's a very easy one. Sorry about the quality - not intended to make it more difficult.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/petalyakov.gif

[BSD]

Bert, a Heron perhaps?

[Bert Stiles]

No not a Heron. Earlier than that.

[BSD]

De Havilland Albatross?

[682al]

'tis a Stirling.

[Bert Stiles]

I knew that would be the death of it.

682al YHC.

[682al]

Anyone else wanting a go? Please take my turn.

[jabberwok]

An easy one again but I just like the cockpit.. :ok:
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/WebPix/Zhenny.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

English Electric Wren ?

[Genghis the Engineer]

TEAM Airbike ?

G

[jabberwok]

Sorry Bert - just got back.

It is indeed the delighful little Wren.

[Bert Stiles]

This has been a suspect a couple of times but never the answer as far as I know.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/bellanca.jpg

[Saab Dastard]

Looks like it should be a twin, but there are barely enough instruments! Just single pilot though - unless this example has had the RH seat and controls removed for some reason!

Is that a battery on the RHS, and maybe an early radio set above it?

Late 20's / early 30's I think.

Hard to tell if it is enclosed cockpit or not - on balance I'd say it is.

Latecoere on the basis that it's been a bridesamid a few times but never flown up the aisle?

[Bert Stiles]

You,'ve done all the work Saab, but I reckon you have to commit to which Late' ? - they produced an array of distinctive and not too pretty aeroplanes.

You'll enjoy just looking at all the shapes.

[Saab Dastard]

First guess - Laté 28?

[Bert Stiles]

Bullseye. All yours. [BTW I think all the gubbins on the right is radio kit - I can't see it as a battery - that's not to say it isn't of course. - and what is that winding handle slightly left of centre ? - rudder pedal adjustment ? trailing aerial ?]

[Saab Dastard]

Thanks Bert!
I'd suggest that the handle is a trim device - but whether rudder or elevator is beyond me.
You are right - they are bloody ugly aeroplanes! Not much information abounds about them either (I reckon they are best quietly forgotten ;) ).
I've got a lovely photo for the next challenge - I just need to lay my hands on it and upload it.
SD

OK, here you go -
Maybe it should be a caption competition instead :D

It's a genuine airframe (just not much else). Who are the "pilots"? And, of course, what is the aeroplane?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/Saab-Dastard/Mystery%20Cockpit/mystery10.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

Lindbergh, Tripp, Sikorsky S-36 ?
- I know one of those is right.

[Saab Dastard]

Hi Bert - Lindbergh is right, but not the other.

Curiously, "36" is also right, but not Sikorsky S-!


The photo shows them sitting in the actual cockpit of the aircraft on the production line while it is being built, so the skin and glazing etc. etc. are yet to be added!

[fernytickles]

Lindbergh & Antony Fokker in the Fokker FXXXVI

[fernytickles]

Unlikely to last very long...
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7672/yas0yd.jpg

[MReyn24050]

XB-70 It has been up before. Presented by Beagle 8th October. Try another fernytickles.

[Wunper]

Have we an up to date aircraft listing?

W

[fernytickles]

Yes that would be helpul because I ran a text search on "XB-70" and "Valkyrie" before posting the image, and it didn't return a result.

Someone go ahead and post another

[cringe]

Here's an easy one (sorry for the poor picture quality):

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk31.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Blohm und Voss BV 141?

[gas path]

Wild guess(es) Junkers JU88 or Focke Wulf 189??

[cringe]

BV-141 it was. Over to you, Mel.

http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Gbv141.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks cringe. That was some crazy aircraft,
I do not think this will cause much problem.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz55.jpg

[682al]

Fairey IIIF

[MReyn24050]

Correct Sir.:ok: What does it take to beat you? :) You have control.

[682al]

Here's some'at a little different from me...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-44.jpg

:)

[Saab Dastard]

An autogyro perhaps - one of Mad Ken Wallis's?

The Italians seem awfully keen on them, so perhaps a Magni?

[Genghis the Engineer]

Southdown Pipistrelle (or the original French manufacturer's version?)

G

[682al]

Not a Pipistrelle, Ghengis, but you're on the right lines.

[aerobelly]

Is it possible that the picture reversed left to right? It's a glider, probably two-seater training judging by the colour scheme, but the air-brake is on the right rather than left as I, in my limited experience, would expect. Canopies tend to hinge to the right to allow entry from the left too, which adds to the reflection supposition.

Or I could be horribly, and embarassingly, wrong.....

'B

[682al]

It's not a glider, aerobelly, and it has no canopy, just a windscreen.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Not a Pipistrelle, Ghengis, but you're on the right lines.

Aha, in which case, possibly...

A Sirocco?

G

[MReyn24050]

Dallach Sunrise IIA or Sapphire LSA?

[682al]

Genghis is correct.

An Aviasud Sirocco, quite a sexy machine (for a microlight in those days), at Weston Green, mid 1980's, if I recall correctly.

[Genghis the Engineer]

The Aviasud / Aeriane / Midlands Ultralights Sirocco is of-course now grounded in the UK after a nasty fatal in the UK a couple of years ago followed a tailplane breaking up in the air, and unlikely to fly again due to the small number still flying anyway, combined with the high cost of a total redesign of the back end of the aircraft.

Somebody else jump in, I need to go and dig around my photo library again.

G

[MReyn24050]

Genghis
To keep things moving I will jump in if that is ok with you. However I am sure this will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz56.jpg

[682al]

Airspeed Ambassador.

[MReyn24050]

:ok: Correct Sir. You are catching up with cringe in the score rating.
Once again you have control. :)

[682al]

I'll get one or two prepared for posting later, so if anyone wants to take my turn, please do...

[cringe]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk32.jpg

[jabberwok]

Klemm of some sort?

[cringe]

Nope, not a Klemm.

[jabberwok]

OK - but please Ms Cringe, before we go around in ever decreasing circles again, tell me it's not French.. :\

[cringe]

LOL - no, not French this time.

[682al]

Italian maybe?

[MReyn24050]

Looks fairly dated late 30s perhaps? Just a wild guess ZLIN 22?

[cringe]

682al,

Affirmative.

Mel,

Late 30s design, yes.

[Wunper]

Is is a Tipsy trainer? (although I thought they has staggered seating)
W

[MReyn24050]

Partenavia P.52?

[cringe]

Wunper,

Trainer, but not a Tipsy. 682al got the correct nationality.

Mel,

Sorry, not a Partenavia either.

[MReyn24050]

Clutching at straws here. S.A.I.2S ancestor of the Ambrosini Grifo or perhaps the Saiman 202?

[cringe]

Not the Ambrosini SAI.2S.

[Wunper]

Is it an A.V.I.A FL.3 ?

http://www.chrisbuz.dial.pipex.com/italy-ra/Resources/avia.jpeg

W

[MReyn24050]

How about the Saiman 202 or the 4 seat version the 204?

[cringe]

Sorry Mel, Wunper has it with the AVIA FL.3. Well done!

[MReyn24050]

Well done Wunper. Good challenge cringe, keep them coming.:)
Mel

[Wunper]

Cringe that was a corker! I noticed how sparsely covered Italian aviation history is on the web during my earlier post with the S.64
Anyway let us go back in time a bit further..
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/whatcockpit.jpg

[gas path]

Dornier Do-X?

[682al]

Or is it the Ilya Mourometz?

[MReyn24050]

I think gaspath is correct.

[SlippingRight]

Not so sure.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Friedrich_Christiansen_I.jpg

Looking at this piccie the Do X has a different wheel and way more instruments. Not that that great big binnacle-like on the front dosn't look effective!

[LowNSlow]

I think 682al has it with the Ilya Muromets

[Wunper]

Sorry, not the Do-X or the Ilya Muromets
W

[Saab Dastard]

How about a zeppelin?