What Cockpit ?

[cringe]

682al won yesterday, so until he's back, try this:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk11.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

Short Empire flying boat?

[682al]

I agree with Tiger Mate, deffo a Shorts flying boat.

[cringe]

Short Empire is nearly correct.

[682al]

Hmmm,

If not the modified Empire boat Maia, I'd have to guess the prototype Sunderland?

I say prototype because there doesn't appear to be much in the way of military equipment in the cockpit and the panel layout is rather different than production aircraft...

[cringe]

It's Maia indeed. Well done! Over to you now.

The bottom part of the Short Mayo Composite:
http://www.century-of-flight.freeola.com/new%20site/images20/13.jpg

[682al]

O.K., I'll give it a go....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/untitled1.jpg

[Opssys]

Whilst Cringe researches her next selection
(my quess at Cringe's profession is: Researcher for TV and Radio) and the rest of the Brains Trust feverishly delve into memory, reference books and hunt the attic for that vaguely remembered Magazine Article in 1970 something, or go down the pub for inspiration, so as to be the first to correctly answer 682al's conundrum.

The Idle Man, oh damn wrong alias, opssys believes this Thread holds the the record for most views in shortest time ever.
26718 Views in 61 Days = 438 Views per day!
Although the Thread Picture Album is well ahead on total views at 36880, it has been going 16 months longer!
DIH

[682al]

Oh dear, looks like I've caused the quiz to grind to a halt.

On reflection, perhaps there aren't enough clues as the photo has been edited to emphasise the instrument maker's products - hence no cockpit glazing etc.

Clues that should be picked up quite quickly...British, pre-war, twin engined, dual controls, no hint of armament fit...

I'll leave that one up for now but will offer an alternative. I've edited this one simply because the manufacturer's works and Company logo were clearly visible through the windscreen- a bit of a give away!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-10.jpg

[Peter Barron]

Is the last picture a Rapide.

Peter.

[Background Noise]

second one - DH Rapide?

Editted to say - bu**er, minutes apart!!

[Mr_Grubby]

Some sort of Rapide ???

Doh !!!! too slow again.

Clint.

[cringe]

How about Airspeed Envoy or Courier ?

[682al]

cringe gets it!

It's the Airspeed Envoy, very Rapide like in style and I thought it might mislead some.

Over to cringe?

[cringe]

682al,

No time at the moment, so l suggest we solve your other mystery first. :)

[ORAC]

I´m guessing one of the Handley Pages, maybe the Harrow?

[682al]

Not the Harrow, and not a H.P. product.

This design was built in tiny numbers, but the cockpit bears a family resemblance to a famous relation... :hmm:

[MReyn24050]

Just a guess Vickers Victoria?

[682al]

Sorry MReyn24050, not Victoria (much smaller) or any Vickers product.

So, not H.P., not Vickers, and I've already done Airspeed...

[Tiger_mate]

Armstrong-Whitworth Argosy

Post WWI airliner, when even the Vimy had one joystick that could be handed over to the co-pilot in flight. Lack of engine instruments a puzzle, and no cockpit glazing a little unfair.

Open cockpit, closed cockpit??? Clue maybe in lieu of proper photo.

[cringe]

De Havilland Dolphin ?

[682al]

Neither Armstrong Whitworth nor de Havilland.

Vertically reading RPM Indicators may be seen in the photo, also (just) the tops of the throttle levers, indicating two engines.

The cockpit was fully enclosed and the apparent absence of magneto switches may be linked to the photo editing....

[MReyn24050]

That doesnt leave many left. Perhaps it is either a Short, Blackburn or Saunders Roe. Another wild guess Blackburn Kangaroo. However on second thoughts the Short Singapore 1 (G-EBUP). The later Singapore III being more famous. Although the cockpit was open. However the S5 had an enclosed cockpit.

[ORAC]

As a possibility is Bristol.

[682al]

Not Bristol, Shorts or Blackburn :{

Here's it's interior...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/interior.jpg

Edited to add Saunders Roe to the "not" list!

[cringe]

Percival Q.6 ?

[Saab Dastard]

Is it a Miles Gemini? Or an Avro Anson?

[MReyn24050]

Boulton Paul P.64

[682al]

Or an Avro Anson?

err...."ish" :hmm:

[MReyn24050]

Perhaps the Avro 642 or 652 the predecessor of the Anson?

[cringe]

MReyn24050 could be right:

http://www.transportarchive.org.uk/aimages/G2557.jpg

[682al]

MReyn24050 is indeed correct! It's the Avro 652 produced for Imperial Airways and adapted to become the 652a Anson.

The similarity to the Anson cockpit is there and had the cockpit glazing been evident, I'm sure it wouldn't have been too difficult.

I'll withdraw and watch from a safe distance.

[cringe]

In that case, this was the type in question (previous photo of an Avro 642):

http://www.century-of-flight.freeola.com/Aviation%20history/airliners/images5/15.jpg

BTW, great challenge. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

I agree that was a great challenge 628al.

Unforunately I havent immediate access to a similar worthy challenge today so please anyone feel free to pose the next challenge.

[MReyn24050]

Bristol 170 Freighter? Hope the move goes well Mike.

[MReyn24050]

Rather you than me Mike. I had enough of that when I was in the Services, however old habits die hard I still find myself saving any the packing boxes when buying any new kit in case they are needed.

The windows gave me the clue. I am sure that this one will also be solved as quickly.



[/URL]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/cockpit4.jpg

[682al]

Looks like a DC2 perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry 682al. Not a DC2.

[682al]

Second guess...Lockheed 10?

[brickhistory]

Maybe Boeing 247?

[MReyn24050]

Well done 628al. It is indeed a Lockheed Electra 10.

[ORAC]

Well its a Douglas, C-33?

[MReyn24050]

No sorry, Orac it is the Lockheed Electra 10 as stated by 628al

Very similar I will grant you

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/c33-1.jpg

[682al]

Well if it's my turn again, I'll try something a little more straightforward than the Avro 652.

Lots of clues in this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-1.jpg

[brickhistory]

oops! deleted my entry immediately after seeing 682's new one.

DH Vampire?

[682al]

Nope, sorry brickhistory.

[MReyn24050]

My first choice is the forward cockpit of the Boulton Paul Defiant

[682al]

Hmmm, I think I see some of your reasoning MReyn24050 but no, it's not the Defiant.

[MReyn24050]

Lack of apparant gunsight and firing bezel makes me think it is a training aircraft. Second choice Miles Master

[cringe]

Gloster E28/39 ?

[682al]

The lack of a gun button on the spade grip might make you guess an unarmed trainer, but then the Hawker style control column just might have raised the suggestion of a Gloster built aeroplane, leading to thoughts of...well done cringe, it's the E28/39.

(I must admit I cropped the photo to remove most of the windscreen as it was a bit of a give away!)

[cringe]

Yup, the spade grip was the main clue.

brickhistory, you can go next.

[brickhistory]

Thank you, cringe. Let's see how this goes...



resized (hopefully)http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/beauhistory/office.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Is it the rear cocpit of a Meteor NF 11 ??


Clint.

[brickhistory]

Nope, it is not a Meteor.

[682al]

Is it a CF100 Canuck? Rear cockpit I would imagine.

[brickhistory]

Yes it is. I always thought it was a neat interceptor for its day.

[682al]

Yes, and a very American-style cockpit which caused me to consider all the alternatives first!

If anyone else fancies posting a cockpit, please go ahead and take my turn.

[henry crun]

As an aside Mr_Grubby, the rear cockpit of the NF11 did not have a stick or anywhere near as many flight instruments.

[Mr_Grubby]

Thanks henry,
It was a stab in the dark. I was fishing for clues.
Meteor was a bit before my time. But my dad told me about them.


Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Must admit after the discussion regarding Gloster's preference for the Spade Control column I was hesitant to suggest Meteor NF14 and thought it was possibly F94 Starfire. It just shows how wrong one can be. However this is a very good thread please let us keep it going. So that I do not repeat the challenges previously submitted I have listed all those to date. I will admit that previously I had repeated a couple. I am always willing to learn and share the information.
Mel

[India Four Two]

682al,

I'll take up your offer, while all the UK experts are asleep. I've been trying to make a correct guess for a while, but for the few cockpits I knew, I was beaten to it and for the vast majority, I hadn't a clue!

So, what's this?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Picture014a.jpg

[henry crun]

"Meteor was a bit before my time. "

I wish it was before mine :{ :{ :{

[forget]

Convair 580 Water Bomber? Edited. That's wrong - I know it!

[Genghis the Engineer]

By the way, I spent the day yesterday at the RAF Museum at Cosford (actually I spent most of it at a conference in one of the-side rooms and didn't get to see any aeroplanes, but never mind).

Mooching around the shop between lectures, I spotted a rather nice "cockpits of RAF Cosford" calendar, which I decided can adorn my office wall next year.

Historic cockpits covered are:-

January - Hawker Hind
February - PBY6
March- C47
April - Mosquito
May - Hastings
June - F86
July - Victor K2
August - Belfast
September - TSR2
October - HS780
November - Jetstream
December - Bulldog.

Should make for a nice talking point anyhow. Sadly I can only boast four of those in my logbook (one as a pilot & FTE, three as FTE only), how many can anybody else offer?

G

[Mr_Grubby]

Nord Noratlas ??

C.

[India Four Two]

forget,

not a Convair

Mr. G,

not a Noratlas either

[sycamore]

Aeritalia/Fiat G222 perhaps ?

[JDK]

It's a fake view attached to the cockpit of one of Flying Tankers' Martin Mars, isn't it...

[Saab Dastard]

Antonov AN-26 by any chance?

Or a Beriev BE-30

How about a CASA C.212 Aviocar?

Possibly a Dassault Falcon 20?

Maybe a HP / BAE Jetstream?

Transall C 160?

OK, I give up :{

[date off waiter]

From the upholstery - an HD 34 perhaps ?

[Saab Dastard]

Grumman Albatross?

[India Four Two]

JDK is right. It's a Martin Mars - C-FLYK "Philippine Mars" to be precise.

Here's the original uncropped, unaltered picture:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Picture014.jpg

I felt the view through the windshield and the glazing would be an obvious clue, so I indulged in a bit of Photoshopping.

Notice the immaculate cockpit - not bad for a 60 year old aircraft!

And here she is at anchor at her home base on Sproat Lake, Vancouver Island:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Picture011.jpg

Over to you JDK.


.

[JDK]

Ooo, you naughty person I42!

I've been lucky enough to board the cockpit of one of the two Mars, but I confess it was Forget's guess at a water bomber that drew my attention to the fake 'view' and reminded me of the sight of those seats.

Incidentally I'd posted a similar pic (unaltered) on another forum, and one of the viewers asked where the pilots were as he thought we were so high up we had to be flying!

OK, here's a view of Indy's seat in a really unique machine, and there's a couple of links to the Mars, too.

I've not manipulated the pic except to scrub out the maker's (and owner's) name from a visible spot.

This aircraft's been around a bit too, and it's still going. Very impressive, and a highlight to talk with the owner and 'go aboard'.

Good luck!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/JDKmysterycockpitDec05_01.jpg

[Genghis the Engineer]

Turbine Dakota?

G

[MReyn24050]

The Control Yoke is almost identical to that fitted to the Junkers JU52. From the panel it is an aircraft that has recently undergone modernisation. I also believe that it is a three engined aircraft. Has a JU52 undergone such modernisation?

[AppleMacster]

MReyn is onto something teutonic, but I think it's the Dornier do-24?

AppleMacster

[MReyn24050]

Yes Applemacster has it I see now why JDK painted out the makers name as it was on one of the Control Yoke's spokes.

[JDK]

Hi AppleMacster,

Correct. For those not in the loop, it's the Dornier Do-24ATT flown and operated by Iren Dornier, grandson of Claude Dornier, and currently, I believe, in the USA as part of the world tour; the pics here being taken at Biggin Hill last year.

It's unique as the only amphibian Dornier Do-24 ever, re-engined with three turboprops and a new modern Dornier wing. Links to the Mars? Both W.W.II era seaplanes, still operating, and there's only two flying Mars and one flying Dornier Do-24 today. (There is one Mars wreck on the sea bed and a handful of static Dorniers too.) Both multi-engined boats too...

While at Oshkosh last year it was co-piloted by one Harrison 'Indiana Jones' Ford, chairman of the EAA's Young Eagles program. I guess thaat'll be the only time Mr Ford sits where I've sat... :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/JDK_Do-24ATT.jpg

[AppleMacster]

OK, here we go. Apologies if it's a little easy:

http://amandadunnedesign.com/picture.jpg

[cringe]

BAC TSR-2, but we had this one here before.

[AppleMacster]

D'oh! I must have been away when it came up. Apologies. :\

[cringe]

No worries, just post another pic.

[AppleMacster]

OK, second attempt. I've searched and don't think this has been done yet:

http://amandadunnedesign.com/picture2.jpg

[682al]

Something exotic like the Hughes XF-11?

[MReyn24050]

Lockheed P38 Lightning perhaps?

[Tim Inder]

That instrument (climb/descent?) over the 'altimieter' looks like it's in metric and has a japanese character on it. Also the ASI looks like it's calibrated in Km/h. Since the Japanese navy used knots as a measure of speed in its aircraft, I believe it must be an Army type. possibly a Ki-45?

[Tiger_mate]

Mitsubishi Ki-46-III Dinah
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/cockpit/small/Mitsubishi%20Ki-46-III%20Dinah.jpg

So much better in colour

Open house if somebody wants a go

[JDK]

Well, seeing as the Dornier fell so quickly, and it's an open house, here's one I had to hand.

I won't tell if you are nearly right with manufacturer and type; - ONLY if you get the right type (However, I won't ask for the correct air force, just to show I'm not being mean...;) )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/JDKMystery2005.jpg

[682al]

I'll open by suggesting Hawker Hind...

[CoodaShooda]

Bristol Bulldog?

[Saab Dastard]

It's not a Fairey Swordfish, is it?

[JDK]

No, no and no. :)

Remember, I am asking for the exact name...

[ORAC]

Fairey Fantome?

[MReyn24050]

Hawker Audax perhaps

[JDK]

No and, um, no.

It's a photo taken when the type was entering service (this one in a pre-war Dominion air force...) and there's only a couple left worldwide.

[FJJP]

Flying or static?

[MReyn24050]

Got to be the Hawker Hart.
A Finnish Air Force Hart B4 is held in the Swedish Airforce Museum. Hawker Hart II GAMBR (J9941) along with a Hart Trainer K4972 is held in the RAF Museum at Hendon.

[ORAC]

Westland Wapiti

[JDK]

FJJP - No fliers right now, at least two static to my knowledge (but who knows in the future?).

Mreyn; commendable certitude. But wrong I'm afraid. Never thought of Finland as a Dominion either... ;)

ORAC, sorry, no.

[MReyn24050]

Having submitted it and re-read your comments I agree and come to think of it Finland is a bit cold for a dominian too. However I thought ORAC had hit the right aircraft

[Argonautical]

Is it a Hawker Nimrod ?

[MReyn24050]

Comparing this panel with the Wapiti's Panel they are very similar and the control joke is also similar. I will say that if it is not a Wapiti then it must be the Westland Wallace. One of which is also in the RAF Museum.

[JDK]

Nope, not a Wallace, nor a Wapiti, nor a Nimrod. The control yoke is, indeed, similar - but then they all were then, weren't they?

But it IS a fighter.

[682al]

But it IS a fighter.

....so it must be a Demon for Aus?

[JDK]

Good man. 682al's go!

RAAF Demon cockpit from the RAAF Museum's archive (my poor copy).

The problem with the Hawker Hart and Fury family is that the two seaters were all so similar, hence I insisted on something precise, and the Demon was, IIRC, the only one with two forward firing machine guns, which is kind of discernible from the photo. (OK, I admit it was a mean one - sorry!)

There's a complete Demon on display at the RAAF Museum, and another recently restored by Skysport, due to fly I believe. There are a few other fuselage frame restorations ongoing in NZ and Aus, but don't hold your breath.

Cheers!

[682al]

Someone else have a go....

[Argonautical]

OK here is one :-

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/whatisit1.jpg

[JDK]

Tsk, easy!

Messerschmitt Me163 Komet.

OK, I wave my go. Someone else!

[AppleMacster]

Try this one.

(Apologies for the size, but I don't have Genuine Fractals on this machine...):

http://amandadunnedesign.com/picture3.jpg

AppleMacster

[682al]

That'll be yer Dornier 335?

[Argonautical]

Mine is not an Messerschmitt Me163 Komet.

[682al]

Mine is not an Messerschmitt Me163 Komet.

Having discounted the ME262, HE162 then I'm guessing it's one of the Horten tailless designs?

[Argonautical]

Correct 628al. It is a Horton Ho229.

[MReyn24050]

Incorrect 682al the following shows this cockpit as the Dornier 335

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/profile/d335top.htm

[682al]

MReyn24050,

I think there's some confusion creeping in.

My call of Do335 was in response to Apple Macster's photo.

Your link led me to the very same photo of the 335 cockpit.

That double horned control grip is quite distinctive.

[MReyn24050]

628al

I apologise. Aeronautical threw me by his statment " Correct 628al. It is a Horton Ho229."
Having retraced the thread as you rightly say you did identify the aircraft correctly. Please forgive me. Its been a long day.

[682al]

How about a slight variation on the theme?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-6.jpg

[JDK]

My apologies for a confident but erroneous guess!

Control wheel. Handley Page, either Hampden or Halifax...

Halifax?

[cringe]

The basic shape could also point to Avro Lancaster or Lincoln...

[682al]

..on the right lines cringe.

[cringe]

How about Avro Manchester?

[682al]

no, the wrong way, chronologically speaking...

[BEagle]

Is it from a Shacklebomber?

[MReyn24050]

I will go for the Avro York

[ORAC]

Avro Lincoln

[682al]

errr, no, no and no :(

[ORAC]

Hmm, Lancastrian?

[682al]

sorry, no......

[date off waiter]

So as a pure guess - Ashton.

Not really a game of skill is it ?

[682al]

You're wrong and right, date off waiter.

It's not an Ashton yoke and it has become a guessing game.

I've already hinted that it is from an Avro, so if it's not Ashton, and we've already discounted the likes of Lancaster, Lancastrian, Shackleton, Lincoln, then there's really only one logical choice left...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-7.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Avro Tudor ?

Clint.

[682al]

Well done Mr_Grubby, over to you.

[Mr_Grubby]

A more modern type for a change.

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit-2.jpg

[Tiger_mate]

Let 410
& more words so that I can posthttp://www.futura-dtp.dk/Flysiden/images/L410.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Tiger mate.

Well done sir !!
Over to you.


Clint.

[Tiger_mate]

Open house, first one in gets it:

[cringe]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk12.jpg

[682al]

C.A.C. Wirraway?

[cringe]

Spot on, well done!

[682al]

Someone else please have a go...

[henry crun]

I don't think we have had this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/crun9/prune/oldie.jpg

[682al]

Looks like a Bristol Fighter with struts and stuff edited out to make it less easy?

[date off waiter]

Is it an Avro Avian ?

[henry crun]

682al is correct, its all too easy for some of you :D

[682al]

Once again, if anyone else fancies a go, please take my turn.

[henry crun]

A last attempt to at least give you experts a run for your money.

Clue 1. American

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/crun9/oldie.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Aircraft cockpit or Airship Gondola?

[henry crun]

It is an aircraft cockpit.

Clue 2. 1920's.

[682al]

I'm tempted to suggest Ryan something or other, but not the Spirit Of St Louis.

Maybe something close?

[henry crun]

No, not a monoplane.

[MReyn24050]

Lawson C-2 or L-4 perhaps

[henry crun]

Not either of those.

Clue 3. Water cooled V12 engine.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for the clues. I believe the American Built DH4 was fitted with the Liberty Engine which was a water cooled V12.

[forget]

Loening OA-1A ??

[682al]

It's not the best of photos to pick up clues from, is it?

Looking at the control column, there appears to be a bicycle type brake lever attached to it which might support MReyn24050's suggestion of a DH4 as they had them.

And are those two round objects in the lower right of the picture part of an early oxygen supply system?

Did the Mail Carriers have to fly that high to avoid mountainous terrain?

[henry crun]

Not a DH4 or a Loening OA-1A .

Agreed, the pic could be better but is the best my scanner can reproduce.

Clue 4. Engine is a 435hp Curtiss, and the aircraft is made by a company name starts with B.

[MReyn24050]

then perhaps it is a Boeing PW-9, which had a Curtiss D-12 engine 435 H.P.

[henry crun]

It is the Boeing PW-9.

[MReyn24050]

That was a difficult one Henry. The only cockpit photograph of that aircraft I have seen is in the Putnam's Book on Boeing Aircraft and to be honest it looked nothing like that. Without your clues I would have been lost.

Here is a nice easy one. A little small, for which I apologise, but then you do not want it too easy.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/cockpit5.jpg

[henry crun]

MReyn24050: I scanned that cockpit view from Year by Year: 75 years Of Boeing History: 1916-1991.
Compiled and published by Boeing.

[MReyn24050]

Henry

Please, I was not doubting you for one minute. The photograph in the Putnam book was no better than the one you scanned and did not show the area your picture did. It did state however that the main intrument panel was very narrow. It was an interesting challenge.

[sycamore]

Has to be the `Gladiator`..............

[MReyn24050]

Well done Sycamore. Said it was easy. Over to you for the next one.

[Kolibear]

If I may interrupt....

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/kolibear/P9270240.jpg

[PPRuNe Radar]

Pitts S-1 G-AZPH ??

[Kolibear]

:mad: me that was quick!!

Yes its a Pitts. I don't know the reg. but its hanging up, inverted, from the ceiling in the Science Museum.

[Tiger_mate]

G-AZPH Pitts Special
http://aeroflt.users.netlink.co.uk/mus/uk/scimus/pics/Science%20Museum%208.jpg

[PPRuNe Radar]

Next up then ....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/atco10w/Flying/pilot.jpg

[LOMCEVAK]

Spaceship One. Pilot is Dave Binnie, I think.

[PPRuNe Radar]

Correct :ok:

[LOMCEVAK]

Please, anyone feel free to post the next picture.

Rgds

L

[ORAC]

OK, try this one

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/jvoc/cockpit2.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Is it a glider ?


Clint.

[ORAC]

Not a glider, but unpowered in one of it's flight regimes.

[MReyn24050]

Initial mock up for the Space Shuttle flight deck?

[ORAC]

Nope, nothing to do with the Shuttle, and not a mock up.

Instrument panel. Elevation might give a clue....

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/jvoc/cockpit3.jpg

[forget]

That's got to be Eddy the Eagle in the left hand seat!

[ORAC]

Nope, doesn't use a ski jump.... :p

[MReyn24050]

Then if not a mock up then possibly a simulator? Judging by your last picture there appears to be a guy standing in front of the instrument console also to the left appears to be people at a display stand some feet below the cockpit. Also no harness or lap straps on the crew seats.

[ORAC]

I think it's the real thing. Photo shoot during a PR event for the sponsors in the hangar. One of the backers was Jerry Pournelle the Sci-Fi author who took a some of the shots.

Here's the sim. Monitor provides the electronic part of the instrument panel.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/jvoc/cockpit.jpg

here's a post flight photo.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c326/jvoc/cockpit5.jpg :p

[forget]

Well - what is it???

[MReyn24050]

The mind boggles! Rev counter, Altitude Indicator, would appear twin engined, attitude indicator, slip indicator, two crew seats yet the whole thing looks as though it is built into the side of a rocket about 15 feet off the ground and not stressed for high g loads. Baffled is the word.

OK it is a Hypobaric Chamber for testing aircrew reactions to lack of oxygen?

[cringe]

Rotary rocket:

http://www.mojave.ca.us/museum/photos-rotaryrocket-rollout-2.htm

http://www.mojave.ca.us/museum/images/air/rotary/air-rotaryrocket-3rdforwardflight_s.jpg

[ORAC]

The floor is yours Mr Cringe.

Rotary wing and rotary rocket engine.

Still sitting at Mohave.
http://www.wilhelm-aerospace.org/Photos/summer-2005/roll-05/2964-roton-overall-backlit.jpg

Roton SSTO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roton_SSTO)

[MReyn24050]

Wow, in fact double wow wow!!!!

[cringe]

LOL ORAC, I'm not a Mr.

Here we go:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk13.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Mignet Pou du Ciel ?


Clint.

[cringe]

Nope, not a Pou du Ciel. The aircraft was produced mainly in the 1920s and had a military use. A replica on the above photo.

[cringe]

Biplane with a rotary engine. One survivor left in a museum; the replica takes part in airshows.

[MReyn24050]

Morane Thulin Parasol perhaps?

[cringe]

No, not a Parasol, but it has a Thulin engine.

[Mr_Grubby]

How about a Thulin Type E/L with the 90hp. rotating Thulin A engine.



Clint. (grasping @ straws !!!)

[cringe]

Wrong aircraft, correct engine. The type was in use from '20s till mid-'30s.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe

FVM/CVM 01 Tummiliten (Tummelsia) ? One in the Swedish Air Force Museum, Malmslatt with a replica in New Zealand.

Mel

[cringe]

Ö1 Tummelisa it is! Well done, Mel. Over to you.

Edited to add that the replica is Swedish. It visited NZ a couple of years ago.

http://www.sff.n.se/bildloop/049.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Cringe

Thanks for the correction regarding the replica. I now see it was built by Mickael Carson and imported into New Zealand specially to participate in the Warbirds over Wanaka 2000 airshow.

I am sure you will have no problem with this one. I do not believe it has been on the thread before.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/cockpit6.jpg

[forget]

...........................B-17.

Specifically --- Boeing Model B299 (XB-17)

[MReyn24050]

Forget

Said it would not take long. As you say not a B-17 but the Boeing Model 299.

Your go

Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

As I started this thread may I be the one who posts the 1000 reply. !!!

Didn't think it would go this far.



Clint.

[forget]

My money's on Ms cringe!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/866.jpg

[MReyn24050]

forget

Supermarine Southampton perhaps?

Mel

[forget]

Not a Southampton.

[MReyn24050]

Perhaps then the Supermarine Seagull III or am I totally wrong going for a seaplane/amphibian?

[forget]

Correct on the seaplane.

[MReyn24050]

Perhaps the Curtiss Jenny?

[forget]

Not a Curtiss Jenny - but 'west coast' origin.

[pigboat]

Boeing Model 6/B1?

[cringe]

Douglas World Cruiser ?

[forget]

What did I say - 'My money's on cringe!'
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/Douglas_World_Trip/Aero27.htm

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/worldcruiser.jpghere (http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/Douglas_World_Trip/Aero27.htm)

[cringe]

forget, consider yourself lucky, because I wasn't entirely sure this time. :)

Over to pigboat now. The following pic was his suggestion:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/pigboats_pic2.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Early model of the Beechcraft 17 Staggerwing or either the WACO UIC or UKC-S?

[cringe]

Mel, it's neither a Beechcraft nor a Waco, but it is American.

Sorry for the delay, I thought pigboat would be around to score this round.

[pigboat]

Oops!! Sorry cringe. I didn't see the pic last evening, and I just logged on. :O

Neither Beech nor Waco nor bi-plane.

[Wunper]

Noorduyn Norseman

W

[pigboat]

Nope, sorry not the Thunderchicken.

[MReyn24050]

Pigboat

'Neither Beech nor Waco nor bi-plane.'


Possibly high wing. How about a variant of the Ryan B class aircraft?

There again it could be an early Cessna 190/195.

[pigboat]

Not a Cessna 195 or Ryan, although it does have a radial engine. American manufactured, but a 'foreign sounding' name. :E

[forget]

Ah, that simplifies matters. Let's see...........

Atlantic Fokker Corporation
Noorduyn Aviation, Ltd.
Caspar-Werke
Eberhart Aeroplane & Motor Company
Gallaudet Aircraft Corporation
Berliner-Joyce Aircraft Corporation
Junkers-Larsen Aircraft Corporation
Kaiser Cargo, Inc.
Grover Loening, Inc.
Loening Aeronautical Engineering Corp.
Schweizer Aircraft Corporation
Cox-Klemin Aircraft Corporation

[India Four Two]

a 'foreign sounding' name

Just a guess, since I cannot find a cockpit photo.

How about the "Big Bellanca", the P-100 Airbus? That's a very foreign sounding name :O

[pigboat]

Forget, you forgot Bellanca. :E

I42, not the Airbus but the Skyrocket, one of which - CF-DCH - I've flown in as a kid. You're up.

[India Four Two]

Nothing suitably difficult to post - a Chipmunk wouldn't last ten minutes :)

So someone else post one.

Pigboat, have you got a picture of DCH?

[JDK]

Here's one to hand.

It shouldn't last long!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/MysterCockpit2005xx.jpg

[barit1]

Ryan PT-22 (Company model ST-3KR) - but with manifold pressure gage, there's more HP up front than the Kinner 5-banger.

[JDK]

You are close, but you might like to take a bit of Dutch courage to go the last leg...

Happy to handover to the next go though!

[pigboat]

I42 I don't have a pic of DCH. I think it's in the WCAM in Winnipeg. Here's one of EQQ (1000aircraftphotos.com/Transports/BellancaPWA-2.htm) in Pacific Western logo.

[cringe]

Is the last cockpit pic of a Ryan STM ?

[JDK]

Cringe,

Ryan STM in Brisbane's Archerfield Airport, ex Dutch NEI like most of the Aussie ones.

Over to you or Barit1!

[cringe]

Over to barit1.

[cringe]

Hmm, barit1 seems to be away. To keep the ball rolling, here's another pic from pigboat's selection:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/pigboats_pic3.jpg

[682al]

Douglas Bolo/Digby?

[pigboat]

An American-built twin but not Douglas, Beech, Boeing or Lockheed. :E

[barit1]

I'm glad cringe stepped up to the plate.

The radio in the lower right looks like a postwar Lear maybe - but otherwise not a clue.

[pigboat]

Another couple of clues. Aircraft looks like a L-10A/L-12 or B-18. Built between 1935 and 1940.

[CoodaShooda]

Are the floral seat cushions a hint? :)

[MReyn24050]

Possibly the Barkley Grew T8P1

[pigboat]

Over to you MR.

It is indeed the Barkley-Grow T8P-1 (1000aircraftphotos.com/Transports/BarkleyGrow.htm).

Interesting to note that the float plane version had the little dorsal fin between the vertical stabs. The land/ski plane version didn't have that.

For those who have read Ernie Gann's "Fate Is The Hunter." In the incident where O'Connor forced landed a C-87 on a lake in northern Quebec, this (1000aircraftphotos.com/Transports/1132.htm) was the first airplane to land at their location. At the time it belonged to Canadian Airways.

Cooda, dunno about the floral seat cushions. Looks like the local house of ill-repute had some curtain material left over from a redecorating project. ;) I believe that cockpit photo is from CF-BQM. A friend flew that airplane as late as 1973, on floats out of Schefferville, Quebec. At the end of the float season it went to a museum someplace out west, either Winnipeg or Calgary.

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Pigboat

Compared to yours this is another easy one I am afraid

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/instrumentpanel.jpg

[forget]

Fiesler Storch?

[MReyn24050]

forget

No. Not a Fiesler Storch

[barit1]

perhaps a (moderized) Fairchild FC-somethingorother?

[Tim Inder]

Morane-Sauliner MS 500? - radial engine visible...

If so, someone else post the next challenge, I'm off for the weekend!

[Mr_Grubby]

Thrush Commander ???

[MReyn24050]

No, not a Morane-Sauliner MS 500 or Thrush Commander. Barit was heading in the right direction.
Mel

[pigboat]

Fairchild 82?

[MReyn24050]

Pigboat

It is a Fairchild but not the 82.

[pigboat]

Fairchild FC-2W-1?
What stumps me is the transponder down at the bottom of the panel. Means the thing is flying somewhere. :confused:

[MReyn24050]

Pigboat

Not the one in the photograph. Tom and Kathy Dixon of California may be able to help. Sorry not to have replied before but the Christmas shopping has had to be done.
Mel

[forget]

And here they are. Pigboat was close enough.

Fairchild 71

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/f71tomk.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Forget

Thank you for your input. I will bow to your better knowledge. I will admit that I am not that well up on the Fairchild range and it would appear that the Fairchild 71 and FC-2W-1 are not that disimilar. No doubt some puritan will put me right.
So Pigboat it must be your shout.
Mel