What Cockpit ?

[forget]

US built.
Twin Jet.
Tandem seating.
Probably Navy.
Early sixties.
:O

[Tim Inder]

US built.
Twin Jet.
Tandem seating.
Probably Navy.
Early sixties.

No
Yes
No
No
No

1 down, 4 to go!
:D

[forget]

Jeeeez, I'm pleased I included the Twin Jet bit!:\

.... the Royal Navy was keen on the red and yellow lines to separate instruments. Who else?

[oncemorealoft]

I think that's a Fouga Magister you can see through the windshield on the left. So, is it French?

[MReyn24050]

Twin Jet
Single Seat
50s


A variant of the Gloster Meteor perhaps, or French Sud Ouest 4050 Vautour?

[Tim Inder]

forget - No, sorry!
oncemore.. - yes, this one's French
Mike - No
MReyn.. - Yes
Yes
No, later.

and No to both your guesses!

[LOMCEVAK]

French Jaguar. Stick, warning panel, engine instruments same as Brit Jag. Otherwise, no resemblance.

[Tim Inder]

LOMCEVAK - close enough!
It's one of the French Prototypes (E02)

I'm told that the only things that are the same as current models are the engine instruments, the CWP and the brake handle (white 't' handle left of CWP)!

Over to you...

[MReyn24050]

Tim Inder

Am I correct in my assumption that the person who correctly solves the challenge puts the next one up or may anybody publish a photograph?

[Tim Inder]

I believe that the person correctly identifying the cockpit puts the next one up.
It might not have been happening exactly according to plan though!

I suggest we wait for LOMCEVAK to either post a pic or nominate someone else to do same.

[MReyn24050]

Tin Inder

Many thanks for that, I didn't want to tread on anyones toes again.

[LOMCEVAK]

MReyn,

Please feel free - you can post one on my behalf.

Rgds

L

[MReyn24050]

LOMCEVAK

Many thanks, unfortunately I am unable to download the image file at present as Photobucket is off line for maintenance.

[MReyn24050]

An easy one to start the day.


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/cockpitf2h_2p_07.jpg

[Tim Inder]

Hmm,
Twin Jet
Early Radar screen
Not many instuments (at all!)
American looking instruments

McDonnel f2H-(1/2?) Banshee?

[MReyn24050]

Well done Tim Inder, there is no stopping you.

Yes Mc Donell F2H 2P Banshee.

[Tiger_mate]

I havnt been able to play for a little while, whilst away. This is a little clue as to the country I visited:
http://www.artistic.flyer.co.uk/boxoffice.jpg

[forget]

..........................AN-2

[Tiger_mate]

That lasted a long time :{

Yes AN-2, front line Air Taxi in Cuba. Where I also saw a wheeled Cuban Marine Kingfisher aircraft which has to be a very rare bird methinks, for float equipped ones are not common.

[forget]

Tim and Mr are due up - but it's the weekend - so

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/668899.jpg

[cringe]

Is it a Me-262 ?

[forget]

Yes it is Cringe. Well done. Are you by chance an Aviation Museum Curator? Specialisation - instrument panels.:D

[cringe]

I wish. :D I bow to the real experts around here.

A quick one:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk7.jpg

[Saab Dastard]

Where are the throttles? :confused:

Catalina?

[cringe]

No, it's not a Catalina.

[Mr_Grubby]

Some sort of Grumman sea plane but not a Mallard.
??

Clint.

[cringe]

Neither a Grumman nor a seaplane.

[pigboat]

Douglas DC-5. The throttles are on the cockpit roof. ;)

[cringe]

It's one of the four KLM's DC-5s. Well done, pigboat.

[pigboat]

Thank you cringe, please post a photo in my stead.
Oh, and check your PM's. :)

[cringe]

A pic on pigboat's behalf (he's the quiz master):

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/pigboats_pic.jpg

[Tim Inder]

Hi- separated fom my cockpit photos atm, so apologies for ducking out over the weekend.
I should be reunited tomorrow, so in anticipation of that, is it an A-26 Invader?

[forget]

Photographs! Cockpit photographs! Didn't you read the rules? Every answer must be direct from memory. At least that's what I've been doing,;)

By the way Tim, your prototype Jaguar was, indeed, 'early sixties'.

[Tim Inder]

What I meant was that I was due to post a pic on Friday, but was unable as I am separated from my sources. My artistic skills aren't up to drawing one from memory! :)

By the way, I think that the Jaguar first flew in 1968, with the one I posted - E02 in early 1969. Though I'll have a check on Monday a.m.

[pigboat]

Tim, nope, not a Douglas product.

[forget]

Let's see how wrong I can be on this one, having just returned from the 'local' Sunday night brains trust.

High wing Twin piston.
'East European'
Early Mid fifties.
Armed Military.
Maritime.
Possibly amphibian.

.....and still flying by the look of the Dynotapes - and the new wiring on the centre console.

[CoodaShooda]

How about

High wing twin radials
North American
Late 1930's but still flying
Initially military/latterly all sorts of things
Long range amphibian
Close to the heart of a certain Music Quizmeister ;)

[pigboat]

Hmmmm....lessee..

High wing,
Twin radials (also twin turbines)
North American,
Military originally (the piston version)
Not an amphib.

Sorry Cooda, not the one yer thinking of.
;)

[CoodaShooda]

:( Damn
Always had you pegged for a Grumman fan :E

[ORAC]

Might still be a Grumman, S-2 Tracker?

[Tim Inder]

I'll go along with ORAC and go for one of the Tracker/Tracer/Trader family - not that many aircraft have such prominent windscreen wipers!
(unless it is in fact a car!!)

[BEagle]

See http://www.s2tracker.com/piston_turbine.htm and all will be revealed!

[MReyn24050]

Tracker but built by DH Canada Tracker CS2F-2

[ORAC]

Someone else can have my go, ain´t got no photos.

[Tim Inder]

Ok ORAC, here's a part of one, if it hasn't gone by say 4 p.m. I'll post another pic and so-on.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/timinder/MVC-007S.jpg

[forget]

.........Gannet.

Errr. With a brake chute? Maybe not:O

[ORAC]

Lightning. God´s motorcar.

Had a couple of trips (T5 obviously), one low level. Fishbowl conditions, pilot moving head between scope mask and outside, alt showing 99,700ft. Hand going from radara sidestick controller to throttle, to map where he was plotting a tgt track based on the GCI GG broadcast. He was maintaining height using the size of the shadow on the water...... :ooh:

[ORAC]

So, where´s Tim Inder gone?......

[Tim Inder]

I haven't gone anywhere - it's not my turn!!

I think I've run out of cockpit photos too for the meantime, so if anyone else wishes to step up, feel free...

[ORAC]

But you posted the last one and aint said if I got it right or not.

If I did, someone else can post one.....

[forget]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/3467.jpg

[cringe]

Boeing C-97 Stratofreighter ?

[LOMCEVAK]

Canadair CL 415T waterbomber?

[forget]

Cringe is there again! KC-97G Stratotanker.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/usafkc-97.jpg


I should have mentioned, beautiful cockpit restoration at Carolinas Air Museum -

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/carolinasairmuseum.htm

[cringe]

Hi, forget. :) If it's my turn, here's the next pic:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk8.jpg

[Tim Inder]

OK,
Twin cockpit (can see the seat back of the front seat)
Tubular framed, fabric covered construction
Aerobatic (g-meter)
I'm guessing European (or damn-fast for an open cockpit - ASI is redlined at 360!!) and the VSI looks very much like a German variometer...

Is it a Bücker Jungmann?
Or was is Jungmeister? (no, I think that only has one seat)

[pigboat]

Pitts S-2?

[cringe]

Well done Tim, it is a Jungmann.

[Gainesy]

Just loved the "Remove Before Flight" on the Lightning's ladder.:)

[ORAC]

Probably added after a certain Wg Cdr Eng´s little trip..... ;)

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/Cockpit-1small.JPG


Tim,
Hope you don't mind me stealing your go !!

Clint.

[Saab Dastard]

Oooh! Oooh! Oooh!

I know this one!!!!

It's a Piper PA25 Pawnee.

As a glider pilot I've been pulled to 2000 feet regularly by one of these!

SD

[ORAC]

Obviously not Italian, not with overtaking mirrors....... ;)

[Mr_Grubby]

Saab.

Tooooooooo easy !

Well done sir,

Clint.

[Saab Dastard]

I got one right!!!

I can retire now :D

I don't have the wherewithal to put up piccies, so I hope someone else will step in to save the thread...

SD

ps - does anyone else agree that the Pawnee is one of the ugliest aeroplanes ever made?

[PPRuNe Radar]

Mil 8 Hip perhaps ??

[PPRuNe Radar]

Mmmm, Mi-17 big brother then ??

[Tiger_mate]

French Frelon helicopter?

[MReyn24050]

Sikorsky S-60 or S-64?

[BEagle]

Fairey Rotodyne!

Another British design which never made it.

[MReyn24050]

Great spot Beagle

Just to remind us of what we lost

http://www.hofstra.edu/videos/Autogiro_rotodyne.mpg

[BEagle]

Great video clip!

OK, here's another cockpit:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/1111.jpg

[cringe]

Fairey Barracuda ?

[MReyn24050]

Wow Cringe that was fantastic.

[forget]

She does indeed! Come on Cringe - what do you do for a living?

[cringe]

Thanks, guys. Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil the fun. Having no professional connection to aviation nor specific knowledge, I admit to consulting the net for answers. :O

[BEagle]

Correct - indeed a Fairey Barrarracucuda....

How did you get it so quickly?

My late father's business partner used to fly them in WW2. As well as Swordfish and Albacores. He said the Barracuda was a dreadful device - huge trim change when dropping the torpedo. Also the dive brakes did something odd to the airflow over the high mounted tailplane when recovering from the dive.

[forget]

'Having no professional connection to aviation nor specific knowledge, I admit to consulting the net for answers'.

Hmmm.:rolleyes: Now do I believe this or.........:hmm:

[cringe]

BEagle,
How did you get it so quickly?It was the spade grip on the Gannet that made me check Fairey.

I give my next go to someone else.

Hey forget, which part is difficult to understand? ;) There's someone who could vouch for me, but he's not posting in this thread...

[forget]

Cringe, I'm sorry, I wasn't suggesting you were being 'economical with the truth'. But 'no professional connection to aviation nor specific knowledge' - you are overly modest with the latter.

Good game! Who's next? And let's see if Cringe can beat her own record.

[forget]

No one? OK, here's one. ( Cringe - tick tock, tick tock, tick tock .............. )

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/9765.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

F104 Starfighter.



Clint.

[forget]

:ok: All yours Mr G.

[Mr_Grubby]

I recognised the cockpit straight away because the very first Surveillance Radar Approach (SRA) I did in ATC was a Canadian Air Force CF 104 at Prestwick in 1974. Call sign was Musket 90, in bound from Germany for maintenance at Scottish Aviation who had the contract for all CF104s in Germany. The pilot was a Captain Farley and he was in a hurry to get on the ground as he was short of fuel. They always were. He came down the 31 approach at about 250 knots. I could hardly get my height checks in before the next one was due. Hectic or what !! But he landed. He came up to the tower for a chat and invited me to come and have a look around the aircraft. I will always remember the cockpit. One CF104 departed whilst I was there, so low and fast over a local farm that several cows had heart attacks and died. The **** really hit the fan !!! Great days.

Anyway, I stole someone’s go a few pics back so I will bow out of the next round.


Clint.

[forget]

Nice one. That'll explain the faster-than-light answer! Mind you, you're still lucky that Cringe was out shopping.

The days before Ramstein.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/09.jpg

[PPRuNe Radar]

One for the night owls to solve ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/atco10w/Flying/LOA.jpg

[BEagle]

Mornin' all...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/O2.jpg

It's a Cessna O2

Another quickie:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/1311.jpg

[forget]

Cessna A-37 Dragonfly
[IMG]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/ap48.jpg

[BEagle]

Indeed it is - you have control!

The A-37 must have been one of the most useless military aircraft ever invented. At anything other than light weight in the summer at Barksdale AFB, they were often unable to fly from that massively long runway because the acceleration was so pedestrian and the brakes so poor that TODR was more than ASDA!

Hardly surprising with a 14000lb MTOW and only 2 x 2850lb of thrust.....

[forget]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/9685.jpg

[PPRuNe Radar]

OV-1 Mohawk :ok:

http://www.ov-1mohawk.org/SuperC.jpg

And some more military 'hard' ware :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/atco10w/Flying/box.jpg

[forget]

Certainly is. :ok:

[cringe]

Shorts C-23 Sherpa

[PPRuNe Radar]

:ok:

a hot ship ;)

[cringe]

Right, a lovely flying shed. :) Next pic:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk9.jpg

[PPRuNe Radar]

The ugly Stinson (Consolidated/Vultee/Convair) L-13 Grasshopper ... somone else can have a go :ok:

http://www.stinsonflyer.com/avphoto/l13-1.jpg

[BEagle]

Amazed to see who took the air-to-air photo of the Mohawk, PPRuNe Radar!

Surely it can't be the same one....??

[cringe]

It's likely Michael O'Leary, the Air Classics editor:

http://www.silverstatenews.com/NellisAFB/2003avnat/index2/page30.htm

[Background Noise]

I'll have a go then - this won't last long looking at some of the timely answers.

http://www.fototime.com/6C8BA6D4A151472/standard.jpg

[forget]

...................SAAB 105

[cringe]

Cessna T-37 Tweet

[Mr_Grubby]

Grumman A 6 Intruder ?

Clint.

[Background Noise]

Guess what - Cringe again!! T37B, of around 1982 vintage.

[cringe]

Someone else can post the next pic.

[forget]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/0989.jpg

[BEagle]

Bede BD-5.

Here's another cockpit for you:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/13112.jpg

[henry crun]

I have no idea what aircraft that is but the instrument on the left coaming looks like an old Cosim variometer.

If I am right what is it doing there ?

[brickhistory]

Folland Gnat? Tiny cockpit, but it's got an ejection seat, so maybe....

[oncemorealoft]

Lockheed U2?

Is the variometer something to do with gliding?

[BEagle]

Neither a U2 (which has a much larger cockpit - as well as a yoke-style control column) nor a Gnat (which has an even smaller cockpit).

Nor is it a glider.

[forget]

Hmmm. Just back from the Sunday nights brains trust so....hazy!

Rocket Powered? UK. Has to be a Saunders Roe something or other.

[BEagle]

Neither rocket powered nor a Saunders Roe aircraft......

[JDK]

Handley Page HP-115 XP980 in the 'Leading Edge' display at the Fleet Air Arm Museum, Yeovilton. I thank you...

It was the yellow arrow on the building's floor wot gave it away - I've been stumped as to almost all the others.

Now to hear if I was successful, and find a suitable piccy.

[jabberwok]

Total guess but maybe HP115?

[BEagle]

JDK - yes, well done, it is indeed the HP 115:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/HP115.jpg

Over to you!

[JDK]

Heh. Thanks BEgs

Spotting the type by the location is an interesting way of doing it.

This should be a real toughie, so a couple of clues are in order.

It's a fighter, of conventional layout, but often overlooked in the lists of W.W.II types...

It's a survivor, photos taken in the Museum's store.

Good luck!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/MysteryFighterJDK02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/MysteryFighterJDK01.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

HE 162 Salamander ???

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

The canopy is very much like the He 100 an aircraft that I believe lost out to the ME109

[JDK]

Not a He162.

Mike, you'll be doing well to get a colour cockpit shot of an (the) MB-5 in a museum store. Do you know something we don't? Incidentally, the MB-5 had an excellent cockpit layout - much better than this.

Not a Hawker Fury...

Nor a He100 (another extinct type, though there is a wooden replica in at Chino).

Keep going!

[ORAC]

He112?

[JDK]

Not a He112.

Still looking for someone to even hit the correct country. (Clue)

And it was taking in a museum store in the 21st Century, which rules out a lot of aircraft, especially them that are extinct... :p Oh, it's a genuine original, but I don't know how bodged the cockpit may be...

[Tim Inder]

It's not a Blackburn Roc, is it?

Whatever it is, even if all the holes were filled - it's very spartan in there!

Ah, just read the your earlier reply - so it can't be one of those!

[jimgriff]

Hotspur Glider?
Hamilcar Glider?

[Bre901]

Dewoitine 520, par hasard ?

[ORAC]

Fiat G50?

[Tiger_mate]

Long shot:

DH Sea Vampire?

[John Farley]

Possibly a Jap Baka bomb?

[Hanse Cronje]

Here is an interesting one for you all....

http://www.alumni.ca/~flor4a0/media/Tacit%20Blue_clip_image003.jpg

[John Farley]

I know you can get done for insider dealing but I would have to say Tacit Blue stealth research aircraft.

[BEagle]

Plus Tacit%20Blue_clip_image003.jpg as the photo properties is a bit of a giveaway........!!

[Bre901]

Shouldn't we wait for JDK's answer before posting more cockpits ?

[MReyn24050]

JDK

WWII Aircraft
Not German
Tricycle Undercarriage?
Fighter?

[JDK]

Bre901's go...

Dewoitine D-520 in store at Le Bourget, the other side of the airfield to the Musee de l'air et l'Espace.

MReyn's correct as far as it goes, but as to the other guesses - oh dear. :} "flailing" would be the best adjective. :cool:

Well done!

[Bre901]

I'll be rather busy until tomorrow evening, so here is my proposal

http://mtill.club.fr/tmp/img.jpg

And before anyone asks, yes it's a glider ;)

[treadigraph]

Total guess (as usual for me!) Bre901, but your namesake?

[Bre901]

No, it would have been too easy (was tempted, though, but I couldn't find a good pic)

[treadigraph]

Hmmmm, playing dirty eh? Another guess, Schleicher K-6e?

[Bre901]

No, but you're getting closer.

[cringe]

Schleicher ASK-13

[Bre901]

Once again, Cringe gets it right ! :ok: :ok:

Incidentally, my first glider flight (june 1975) was on an ASK-13 (F-CEAG, still flying in the same club)

[cringe]

I'll let someone from the night shift have the next go. :)

[PPRuNe Radar]

I hate night shifts ....... :D

http://home.iprimus.com.au/rob_rickards/images/kpcockpit.jpg

[jabberwok]

Surely a Viscount..

[MReyn24050]

JDK

Well Done. The Dewoitine D-520 was a difficult one, but a good find. However, what misled myself were the set of lights on the bottom starboard side of the panel three reds and three greens. I assummed that these were the retractable undercarriage warning lights yet the Dewoitine D-520 had only the two main undercarriage legs that retracted the tail wheel was fixed. What was the third set of lights? I notice that in photographs of the aircraft in flight there appears to be an aerial extended below the fuselage. Any thoughts concerning why the three sets of lights?

[PPRuNe Radar]

Viscount indeed :ok:

Your go jabberwok :)

[jabberwok]

Frantically digs around for the photo box..

Not a brilliant shot but try this one..

http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/WebPix/C180d.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Beagle 206 Basset?

[jabberwok]

It's not British - although it is UK registered.

[MReyn24050]

Ryan Twin Navion?

[jabberwok]

Not a US design.

First flew in the late 1940's.

[MReyn24050]

Piaggio P.136L

Am I correct that it is a twin?

[jabberwok]

A twin indeed but not Italian.

Production stopped in 1963.

[pigboat]

Piper Apache??

[jabberwok]

Nope - it's European. Not French or German either.

[MReyn24050]

Must be the Aero 45.

[treadigraph]

Morava L-200?

If it is, someone else take over I have no pics handy...

[jabberwok]

MReyn24050

Close enough for me - it was Aero 145 G-ASWS.

http://www.rob.clubkawasaki.com/jas890.jpg

Your turn..

[BEagle]

Here's what the L-200 cockpit is like:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/morava2.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Here is a nice easy one, no doubt the experts will get it in a flash.



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/cockpit3.jpg

[jabberwok]

Beags,

Considering its age the Let L200 panel is really quite nicely laid out.. and uncannily like the Aero too..

[MReyn24050]

Jabberwok

Ladislav Smrek of the Czechoslovakian State Aircraft Factory designed the L200 in the mid 1950s to develop a replacement for the early postwar vintage Aero 45 and 145 light twins.

No doubt modernised some of the original design features.

[jabberwok]

I didn't know that.

Considering the Morava had a capsule like cockpit quite different to the Aero series the cockpit seems to have transposed quite well into the later aircraft.

I don't know why but the Morava reminds me of the Meyer 200 (later the Aero Comander 200).

[cringe]

The last pic, is it of a Grumman F3F-2 ?

[Mr_Grubby]

I think cringe has it !!!

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe definitely has it. I said it wouldnt last long.

Over to you Cringe.

[cringe]

OK, this shouldn't be too hard either:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk10a.jpg

[pigboat]

Douglas rudder pedals. Douglas SBD Dauntless?

[cringe]

Sorry, not a Dauntless.

[brickhistory]

A-1 Douglas Skyraider?

[cringe]

Nope, not a Skyraider either.

[JDK]

Grumman Bearcat

[cringe]

No, wrong country. The two cockpits look similar; this one first flew before the Bearcat.

[JDK]

Ooo.

I'm going to kick myself when it's been spotted, but it beats me.

I think it's a French gunsight? (Certainly not US, UK or associated nations) It's not American, so you are saying it can't be a (French operated) P-47...

Not a British layout, doesn't look German, but I'll guess at Fw190...

Could be a Russian Gunsight, but there's too much 'stuff' for a W.W.II Russian a/c IMHO.

Gah...

MReyn24050, regarding the Dewoitine D-520, a good question, and you sent me scurrying to my references!

Acording to our MMP book on the '520, by Bartlomiej Belcarz, that position and surrounding area is occupied by the 'Oxygen Inhaler' (regulator we would say in English) but I should add that the cockpit on the Musee de l'Air's reserve example (which this is) looks a bit bodged up in comparison to the wartime manual drawing.

[cringe]

Negative on all counts. :)

[JDK]

Ah...

Rats.

Ummm.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe

I believe it is a Radial Engined Fighter. Perhaps the
Hayate Ki-84 "Frank"?

[cringe]

MReyn24050,

Yes on the radial engine, no on the Ki-84. It's not Japanese.

[ORAC]

Lavochkin LA-7

[cringe]

Not a Soviet design either, sorry.

[cringe]

No Mike, it's not American. Think of yet another country.

[Mr_Grubby]

Italian maybe ?

Reggiane 2000 Falco.



Clint.

[PPRuNe Radar]

Lucky it's an easy one .... :rolleyes: :p

Have looked at all the various countries now excluded. Tried the UK, France, Italy, Australia, Romania, Sweden, Germany and so on.

Still stumped (but might have overlooked it in my searches !!).

A Finnish Myrsky as a stab in the dark ??

[cringe]

Clint, it's not Italian.

PPRuNe Radar, are you sure you checked all the countries you listed ? :) Some have been excluded by now, but not all...

It didn't seem difficult to me because I stumbled upon it a few times before, while checking out pics for this thread.

Not a Myrsky nor Finnish.

[cringe]

Neither French nor Australian.

It shares its designation with another aircraft we had on this quiz.
Three survivors out of nearly 200.

[MReyn24050]

Clutching at straws, Fokker DXX1?

[cringe]

Nah. Radar named the correct country in his post.

[MReyn24050]

Romanian IAR-80?

I think MIke has it. Asymmetric cockpit, looking at the gunsight and cockpit combing that looks right.

[cringe]

Swedish! Not a Saab 17 though.

[PPRuNe Radar]

FFVS J22 then :)

I definitely DID overlook that one !!! Never heard of it before !!

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/fvmus96/j22.jpg

[MReyn24050]

RADAR has it, well I learnt something today, thanks Cringe. I didnt know the aircraft existed.

[cringe]

Finally! Well done. Over to you, PPRuNe Radar.

PS: Sorry, I didn't mean to mislead with the "not too hard" comment. :O

Here's a link to more cockpit photos of the J22:
http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2002/01/stuff_eng_detail_j22_04.htm

[cringe]

Hey, don't blame me too much, after all I'm no expert! :) The pics were easy to find, once you knew the type existed.

[PPRuNe Radar]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/atco10w/Flying/easy.jpg

Not sure it's harder than the J-22 though ;)

[Tim Inder]

Is it a Caudron GIII by any chance?

[PPRuNe Radar]

Mais oui Tim !! :ok:

[JDK]

Definitely a Caudron - ummm - Caudron G.3- perhaps in the Musee de l'Air?

Regarding the FFVS J-22 - ARGH! I KNEW I'd kick myself. Rats, rats, rats.

The Boomerang guess wasn't so far off - both aircraft were indigenous designs to get a single seat fighter into action by isolated countries, taking the biggest engine available and from need to flight as quickly as possible. The engine on the FFVS was an unlicensed copy of a P&W Twin Wasp (and the Boomerang used the (legitimate) Twin Wasp as well) but Sweden paid royalties post-war for the use of the design. Fascinating fighter.

[Irish Steve]

Fascinating thread, and worth some time to read.

Gentle warning to anyone thinking of downloading the mpg file of the Fairey Rotodyne that was mentioned and linked a few days ago.

If you don't have broadband, forget it, the mpg is over 80 Meg, so even on broadband, it's going to take a few minutes to get it.

Talk about nostalgia, I can remember when Airfix made a plastic model kit of the rotodyne. It was a pig to assemble, the rotor was so large even in a scale model, glueing it together required a lot of support in the right places to make sure it was the right shape :O

Then there were the doors at the back that were not dissimilar the Bristol Freighter concept.

Just played it, a touch under 5 minutes, and worth the view just for the nostalgia. If nothing else, I reckon the trees in the landing zone were happy it didn't go into production, the wash off the rotor looks like it was pretty powerful :O

Another UK project that worked, but never saw commercial service. Such has been the experience of too much of the UK aviation industry.

[BEagle]

Ah yes - that Airfix rotorhead was a right so-and-so. Too much cement and the blade shafts became too soft - the whole thing just drooped and that was that.

The rear doors didn't fit particularly well either!

[Irish Steve]

Ah yes - that Airfix rotorhead was a right so-and-so. Too much cement and the blade shafts became too soft - the whole thing just drooped and that was that.

The rear doors didn't fit particularly well either!

They were the days.

The real fun was in getting things that Airfix didn't intend to move to work the way they were supposed to :O

I'm giving my age away now, more nostalgia, I spent HOURS replicating the paint scheme of Westpoint Airlines, or aviation, depending on when it was photographed, on the airfix DC3. It was authentic, I managed to "persuade" one of the staff at the airline to "find" me a small quantity of "their" paint. Never did find an airfix or similar model of the Rapide, they looked nice too.

The most interesting aspect of this thread is that despite the concept of "standardisation", it's amazing to see just how different the layouts of cockpits are.

[jabberwok]

It could have been different...
http://www.style-magic.com/rotodyne/images/WhatMightHaveBeen_small.jpg


See Ian Hay's web page at http://www.style-magic.com/rotodyne/

[Tim Inder]

At the risk of thread creep :p can I insert this pic for identification?
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/timinder/15545_8.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I believe it is a Percival Jet Provost, But not sure of the Mk No?

T5 perhaps or BAC Strikemaster.

[Tim Inder]

Well done - TMk5 it is!

It's also up for sale via www.uksurplus.com (http://www.uksurplus.com)

You have control...

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Tim with luck I might win the lottery this weekend and treat myself.

Another easy one to keep the ball rolling.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Todays.jpg

[LOMCEVAK]

The Jet Provost picture is actually a T Mk 5A if you want to be really precise!

[Tiger_mate]

The control column on the latest is the same as used on early Piper Cherokees. I cannot get any references for the Colt/ Tri Pacer family so look instead at alternate US built light aircraft with an apparent sliding cockpit.

First guess is an Alone Aircoupe or Mooney Cadet which is a variation of the same.

[MReyn24050]

Tiger_Mate.
Wrong on both counts I am afraid. This one is a twin engined aircraft.

[pigboat]

Ryan Navion 200? It had a sliding canopy, as I recall.

[BEagle]

Bassett VSS?

.

[MReyn24050]

Pigboat

You are correct. It is a photograph of Twin Navion N188V's panel. You have control.

Pigboat

I stand corrected the Ryan Navion L17 was in fact a single engined aircraft. The Twin Navion was built by Riley. However, as I jumped the gun please give us the next challenge.

"An article in Flight magazine (February 22, 1952) reported that, "From the United States we learn that a Ryan Navion has been modified for use as a test bed by an aircraft equipment firm, to the extent of having two 125 hp Lycoming engines fitted." Another article in Aeroplane two months later included a photograph of prototype N91793 and, for the first time, the name of the Dauby Equipment Co.


Dauby had been working under contract with Florida businessman Jack Riley, a millionaire turned aircraft builder who saw the market for a light twin. Designated the X-16, the engineering work was performed by the Dauby Equipment Co. in Los Angeles, California while the modifications were done by the Acme Aircraft Co. in Lomiat. Work was completed on January 10, 1952. This first twin Navion retained much of the Navion’s recognizable features, (such as the sliding canopy), the original 185 hp Continental engine was replaced with an aerodynamic baggage compartment, the vertical tail area increased by 40% by using one-half of a horizontal stabilizer, the landing gear stub spar extended by one rib to carry the newly installed 125 hp Lycoming O-290-A engines, nacelles and Super Cub cowlings. All told, 1,837 specific parts were added to create the twin Navion. The D-16 increased the single's gross weight by 200 lbs, bringing it up to 2,950 lbs."

[Tiger_mate]

Never heard of it, so I am happy with my logic: "alternate US built light aircraft with an apparent sliding cockpit"

For others in my boat, here is what they are talking about:

http://www.quadcityairshow.com/statics/t-17.jpg

[pigboat]

Oops!! Sorry MReyn24050. I thought the 200 designation was for the twin version. :O

[MReyn24050]

Tiger_mate
Thanks for the photograph. I too was amazed when Cringe came up with the FFVS J22. That was an aicraft that I also had never heard of. That is what I find so special about this particular forum, one is always learning.

Pigboat
Please do not apologise. I admit when you came up with your answer I too thought the same but did a check and found that it became a twin after Riley had the original Ryan Navion. redesigned.

[Tiger_mate]

There must be somebody that would like to have a go?

Open season ladies and gents

[forget]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/859.jpg

[cringe]

DeHavilland C-7A Caribou ?

[forget]

..................................:ok:

[cringe]

If that's a yes, please, someone else continue.

[gruntie]

Hmmm. How about this one?

http://tinypic.com/fyq1p5.jpg

[brickhistory]

Fairchild C-123 Provider?

[MReyn24050]

Could it possibly be Russian. Such as IL-12?

[gruntie]

You're both wide of the mark. Think big .

[tilewood]

Could it be a Boeing Stratocruiser? :hmm:

[sycamore]

Saunders-Roe Princess ?

[gruntie]

Yes it's G-ALUN, sycamore wins!

[Argonautical]

OK here is one:-

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/whatisit.jpg

[forget]

Shackleton.....................

[Mr_Grubby]

I think it's a Hastings.


Clint.

[forget]

If it ain't an early Shack - then it's a York. (Perhaps.)

[Gainesy]

As Grubby says, Hastings.

[Argonautical]

Mr Grubby is correct. It is a Hastings. Flew in one as an air cadet at Lindholme and recently saw the one at Cosford. It was much larger than I had remembered.

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit3.jpg


Easy I think ?


Clint.

[forget]

Fairchild C-123 Provider...............

[Mr_Grubby]

Nope.
Not a Provider.

[forget]

Alright then - Fairchild C-119 Boxcar, almost identical part from the paint job.

[Mr_Grubby]

Correct !!


Clint.

[forget]

Something for the weekend sir? ........and cringe.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/64353.jpg

[Bof]

Hey there forget - you weren't really trying to say that a C119 was practically identical to a C123 were you?

[forget]

OK, that's stretching it somewhat - but I was referring to the picture - control yoke, throttle quadrant, centre instruments etc etc. Different glareshield (due perhaps to the different airframe) is the obvious giveaway.;)

[Argonautical]

Here's one for the weekend :-

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/argonautical/what2.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Argonautical.


Gannet Rear Cockpit.


Clint.

[pigboat]

That's some OAT guage in forget's pic. Looks just like an ordinary thermometer. ;)

[682al]

Something for the weekend sir? ........and cringe.

Armstrong Whitworth Atlanta?

[forget]

628al. Well done indeed! I was hoping to ruin cringe's weekend with that one. Note the props. Capable of converting a light breeze on the nose into a breeze over the wings.

Incidentally, it's Atalanta - not Atlanta.
Good article. (http://www.century-of-flight.freeola.com/Aviation%20history/coming%20of%20age/imperial/Armstrong%20whitworth%20aw15%20atalanta.htm)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/ATALANTA.jpg

[brickhistory]

post a photo to have a go in this thread? Copy/paste is a no go and I can't attach anything so could someone smarter please inform me?

[brickhistory]

Go ahead, make my day!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/beauhistory/fd3d662e.jpg[/IMG]


Thanks, Mike on the pic posting clue!

[cringe]

Northrop P-61 Black Widow ?

[brickhistory]

I am such a rookie! Took you maybe two minutes?

Very well done. Taken in the USAF Museum's one this past summer.

I'll shut up now and listen to my betters........

[cringe]

brickhistory,

I'd be happy if I could do it from memory. :) You can post another one if you want.

[brickhistory]

Cringe, thanks. I'll leave it to you. Makes it more challenging for the forum.

Cheers,
Brick