What Cockpit ?

[MReyn24050]

LowNSlow
As 682al stated.
DE HAVILLAND DH.93 DON - The De Havilland 93 Don was designed to Specification T.6/36 as an advanced trainer mounting a manually-operated dorsal turret in addition to accommodation for two pilots and a radio operator trainee. Prototype flown June 1937 with 525 hp Gipsy King I and 50 production aircraft built (20 as spare airframes without engines) in communications role without turrets after official requirements changed. Served with No 24 Sqn and numerous Station Flights through-out UK until early 1939, but all had been grounded for use as instructional airframes by the time the war began.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/DE20HAVILLAND20Dh9320don202.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

Quite a correspondence... Saab's the nearest. I've never had a peek into the RE8 at Duxford, but would imagine it to be about the same or more equipped if anything, though the engine instrumentation would be different - clue. 682al has the nationality.

Would anyone care to bet that Cringe doesn't have a photograph of the innards of a DH 93 ?

[MReyn24050]

This challenge is the rear cockpit of the Avro 504

[Bert Stiles]

You are correct... Mel has the con again.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bert
Keeping with the current flavour, however I am sure this will not pose a problem at all.

Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz22.jpg

[India Four Two]

Handley Page 0/400 ?
And what are all those vertically arranged levers on the right?

[MReyn24050]

India Four Two

Not the 0/400. Mike is correct in assuming 4 engines.

Mel

[Saab Dastard]

Handley Page V/1500?

[MReyn24050]

Saab Dastard
Correct
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/HPV-1500.jpg
You have control

[Saab Dastard]

Let's see how long this lasts...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/Saab-Dastard/Mystery%20Cockpit/Mystery6.jpg

[foxmoth]

Looks more like the Pup to me - but I am probably wrong:8

[Saab Dastard]

Both wrong!

SD

[682al]

It's the Snipe!

And should this be confirmed after I've gone bo-boes, please someone else have a go.

[forget]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/4545.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Ilynshin 14. In fact it is Avia AV-14t of the Czech Air Force.
This is the bird I think.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/CzechAirForceAviaAv-14T.jpg

[forget]

Correct:ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks forget. Staying with large multi-engined aircraft I am sure this will be no problem. Sorry the quality is not that good.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz17.jpg

[BSD]

A wild guess before I head out the door to earn a crust......
An FW 200 Kondor perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

Not the FW 200. This aircraft was designed late 1930s.

[Mr_Grubby]

He 116 ?

Mel, are we right in thinking German ?

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Clint

Sorry for the delay, guests for the evening. No, not the He 116. Not German but right side of the Channel/North Sea.

Mel

[cringe]

How about a Bloch MB-161 ?

[MReyn24050]

cringe.
Well done you are again correct.
At first I was going to say no and that it was the SE. 161 "Languedoc", but it appears that the aircraft was originally the Bloch MB-161. I find that through the merger of the airline companies Blériot and Bloch, the national company SNCASE (Societé Nationale de Constructions Aéronautiques du Sud-Est) was founded in 1939 and Project Bloch 161 was continued. The successful flight test took place by the end of 1939 and brought an order of over 40 machines from the airline company Air France. Delivery lasted for seven years since World War II provided that the series production first begin in 1946. This was primarily due to the successful stalling technique of the French manufacturers who wanted to prevent the 20 machines from being delivered from Germany in 1942. The aircraft orginally developed in Bordeaux was transported to Cannes which was located in France's unoccupied Free Zone in 1942. Under the management of German Lufthansa engineers, tests were made with the aircraft until the beginning of 1943. Marc Hurel, the Technical Director of SNCASO, attempted unsuccessfully to bring the aircraft to North Africa in order to ensure its safety.
The improved successor version was first tested after the liberation of France on September 17, 1945. Series production began in 1946. In May of the same year, the model became known as the SE. 161 "Languedoc" by Air France for its scheduled service.

You have control
Mel

[cringe]

Thanks, Mel. I wasn't entirely sure, although aware of the variants. Next challenge:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk26.jpg

[BSD]

A Martin 130 Clipper?

[cringe]

Nope, sorry. It isn't American.

[mikl]

Let's try:
French built S.E. something Armagnac ?
SE 2010-Armagnac

[BSD]

The control columns seem wierd, so I'll change tack and go for a helicopter. Seems to have 4 engines. How about the Mil Mi-12?

[cringe]

Well done mikl, it was indeed the Sud-Est SE 2010 Armagnac. Late 1940s French airliner; only 8 were built.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Sud-Est_Armagnac.jpg

Your go, mikl.

[mikl]

Thanks but I'd better to close my big mouth, cause I have nothing ready right now.

[MReyn24050]

No problem mikl. To keep the thread rolling I have another that I am sure will cause no problems to the experts. I should add that only two aircraft were built.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz38.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

Junkers 61 (E2 ?)

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Mike, Bert has it. Although not quite 100% correct as it was a photograph of the E-1 cockpit.:)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/JunkersJUEF61.jpg
Two Ju EF 61s, high-altitude development aircraft, were built E-1 (Works No 4931) and E-2 (Works No 4932) which first flew on 4th march and 18th December 1937 respectively. The E-1 crashed on the 19th September 1937 from 3,500 metres altitude. The aircraft had two DB 600 engines and carried a single fixed MG 15 as defensive armament. E-2 crashed shortly after its first flight and was completely destroyed. Seven Ju EF 61s were planned to test the type’s suitability as a high-altitude bomber with 5,000 km range. However work was switched to develop the JU 86 as a high-altitude aircraft in long distance reconnaissance and heavy –bomber versions.

You have control Bert

[Bert Stiles]

Yes, there was a bit of a question mark for me about which one it was so I guessed/deduced wrongly. The E2 didn't even last as long as the E1 and I'm not really surprised - I'd guess it was a landing accident with visibility like that.

You're all too fancy for me - so here's a picture of the camper van I've been building - sorry it's a bit cramped.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/thorneycroft.jpg

BTW, if anyone can describe how the control "things" worked in the Armagnac I would be delighted to hear - they look like they've been removed from a gym.

[Mr_Grubby]

Smart van Bert, what is it ?

Quick one from me.

Clint.


http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit-9small.JPG

[MReyn24050]

Clint

Twin engine Rotary wing ? Yet single seat up front!

[Mr_Grubby]

Tis Rotary.

C.

[682al]

Mil Mi-1.......

[Mr_Grubby]

682al.

Too easy. Over to you.


C.

[Bert Stiles]

...........And the camper van ?.

[Mr_Grubby]

Bert.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to jump the gun. I thought your camper van was some sort of Winniebago !

C.

[Bert Stiles]

Not a Winnebago

[682al]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-6a.jpg
Bert, your camper van reminds me of a Waco Hadrian glider?
...er, no disrespect, 'course. :oh:

[Synthetic]

Looks a bit like the original Link Trainer:)

[682al]

Nope, note the tandem layout...

[jabberwok]

Prototype twin Link Trainer? :O

[Genghis the Engineer]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-6a.jpg
Bert, your camper van reminds me of a Waco Hadrian glider?
...er, no disrespect, 'course. :oh:
Lines look a bit like a Whitman Tailwind?

G

[Wunper]

Luton Major I would say.


G Steve Wittman's Tailwind is side by side and single stick.


W

[MReyn24050]

I will go for an early Taylorcraft. Possibly of the L2 or other model such as Model A.In fact it also could be an Aeronca C3

[682al]

Well done Wunper, it's your turn. :)

[Bert Stiles]

The camper van is none other than the replica (incorporating what % original fittings I dont know)... Sikorsky(i) S 22(7) Ilya Mouromets in the hangar at Monino.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/Muromets.jpg
Not my go...Wunper's I think - good shot with the Luton Major.

[Wunper]

Ok this won't be here for long I'm sure
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/Guesswhat.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

Guessing compulsively .... The Desoutter I ?

[MReyn24050]

From the photograph this would appear to be the rear seat of the aircraft, yet it has a door on both the port and starboard side. Would appear to be a two seat tail dragger.
Would it be a Brochet?

[foxmoth]

Looking at the rudder pedals I would say it is a side by side with central stick and throttle.

[BSD]

I'm sure Bert has it right as the DeSoutter. Meanwhile, the earlier post of the Armagnac has brought up a fascinating aeroplane. Someone else has already asked I know, but can anyone explain those exraordinary control columns?

[Wunper]

Bert Stiles: Nope but right era
MReyn24050: Two seat tail dragger but not a Brochet
foxmoth: Correct about the layout, but what aeroplane?
BSD: Bert hasn't yet but he is homing in!!
W

[MReyn24050]

BSD
Not convinced Bert is correct see attached web site.
http://www.koolhoven.com/reconstruction/desoutter/

[gas path]

Another wild guess ....Comte AC 4?

[MReyn24050]

I am going to suggest the De Havilland Puss Moth, however not too sure about that furnishing above the instrument panel.

[Wunper]

gas path & MReyn24050: Fraid not to both
Right era
Slightly too powerful
Wrong side of Atlantic
Designer had a European sounding name though
W

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Wunper. However still none the wiser but I will take a stab at the Velie Monocoupe Monoplane of the 1920s. If that is too wild how about the Aeronca C3?

[cringe]

Aeronca C-3 ?

[MReyn24050]

Cringe
If correct, you beat me to it as I was adding it whilst you submitted your answer.

[Wunper]

MReyn24050: You are a gent
cringe: You are sharp shooting again!
it's the cockpit of G-AEFT an Aeronca C-3 "Master" the first Aeroplane I left the ground in aged 3 over 43 years ago and I am glad to say still airworthy in the hands of a Gentleman Aviator.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/ft.jpg
Over to You
W:ok:

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Wumper.
A very interesting challenge. What made me change my mind and suggest the Aeronca C-3 was a report I found on Google by Budd Davieson that was published in Air Progress August 1979 following a Test Flight.
The following is an extract:-
"Incidently, one quite literally must lower oneself to fly the C-3. The wing is only waist high and to get in requires ducking under the wing, finding a man-sized opening in the wire bracing and threading your way through it to the cavernous non-door to the cockpit. Once hunched over in front of the door, it's anybody's guess as to the proper boarding procedure. I started by trying to stick first one leg in then the other. That, however, left most of me lying on the grass outside. I finally worked out a variation on the basic womb-exit technique where I crawled in head-first, crouched in the seat in a semi-embryonic position and worked my feet down to the rudders and my head into the upright position. I think.
The cockpit (and I use the term loosely) is "different" (and I under-exaggerate). The stick is to the left of center about six inches, presumably so the pilot can sit on the left. The throttle, however, is in the upper center of the "panel" (and again I describe in very loose generalities). Since it's both unnatural and obscene to fly with a stick in the left hand and the throttle in the right, I found myself flying slightly cross handed. After all, if God had wanted man to fly with the stick in his left hand He wouldn't have put the throttle on the left side of the Pitts.
There is a line of tiny little pedals spread across the floorboards with equal distances between them all. First I tried the left two and nothing happened, and I realized there was some sort of combination that I was missing. So, I punched the last one on the left and watched to see which one moved the other way and it turned out to be the third one from the left (I think).
The instrument panel isn't. There is a giant padded area that covers the entire top half of the bulkhead in front of you and extends, in an inverted "V" shape well above your head when on the ground. Under that is a flat space with three dials the size of steamboat gauges: airspeed, tach and altitude. None of these are any damned good, however, because the padded portion of the panel protrudes enough that you have to squinch down in the seat to see under it and read the gauges."

It was the padded area above the instrument panel that had me puzzled.

Well done, cringe, we await one of your interesting challenges. :)

[cringe]

Sorry for the delay... work kept me away. I didn't expect to win! My guess was based on this drawing:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Aeronca-FlyingBathtub/info/cockpit.gif

Next entry:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk27.jpg

[BSD]

Hindustan aircraft Pushpak?

[Wunper]

Is it an early Chrislea Skyjeep ?
before they went in for the weird & wonderful yoke on a swivel controls as on the Super Ace.
W

[cringe]

Neither a Pushpak nor a Skyjeep.

[Wunper]

Nord NC 858S ? (athough I think they have engine load bearing struts passing through the centre of the cockpit , long time since I looked at one)
W

[cringe]

Sorry, not a NC 858S. Wrong countries so far.

[MReyn24050]

Judging by the Fire Extinguisher I would say it was British so I will plump for it being a De Havilland Aircraft possibly the Leopard Moth.

[cringe]

Mel, it's not British.

[jabberwok]

Possibly Czech?

[cringe]

Not Czech either. Sorry.

[spitfire]

SAI KZ VII

I know thatr's correct but can someone else please jump in with a photo, don't have time right now

[cringe]

The Danish SAI KZ VII it was. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Another to keep things rolling, unfortunately the quality is not that good but I am sure it will not cause the experts any problems.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz36.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Convair 440/580 ???

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Clint

Sorry not a Convair.

Mel

[MReyn24050]

Mike
Could well be. Not sure about the "D" though?

Mel

[mikl]

Can be a S.O.30" Bretagne"
If I am right, please someone else take the advantage cause I am unable to edit a photo

[MReyn24050]

Well Done MikL it is the Sud Ouest SO.30P " Bretagne".
Mike. Hope I did not mislead you in respect of "the letters "SD" on one of the rudder pedals". I wasn't sure if it was for "SuD" or S O for Sud Ouest.
Anyone wish to put up the next challenge for mikl?

[MReyn24050]

Max Speed 150 Knots! Makes me feel this is a Rotary Winged aircraft?

[wub]

Is it a Wessex?

[wub]

Not the foggiest I'm afraid :O

[wub]

Speechless; I thought the 'dome submerged' light would illuminate when you ditched!
Try this for size
http://www.pbase.com/glenns/image/56129158.jpg

[Sleeve Wing]

Hi Wub.
F102 Delta Dagger ?
Rgds, Sleeve .
Quick edit !!! Actually more like an early F106A Delta Dart ?

[MReyn24050]

Sleeve
I think you are on the right track as the control yoke is identical to that on the F106A however I would say this was the rear seat of the two seat version the F106B. If it is the F106B Sleeve please take the honours and put up the next challenge.

[Sleeve Wing]

MReyn24050.

Thank you, Sir, for your comments. I was only dipping my toes into the water. I'm actually just amazed by the knowhow you gentlemen share and am prepared just to stand back in awe.(I'm also a bit of a nerd when it comes to posting pictures.) Please do not allow me to interfere with the party.
KRgds, Sleeve. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Sleeve Wing
Please do not stand back in awe come in an join the party. As you will have seen this thread has been running for some six months and some 260+ cockpits have been presented to date including the F106A. Should you like a copy of a spreadsheet listing those already presented please PM me.
Should WUB confirm it to be the F106B then, anyone, please feel free to post a new challenge.
Mel

[wub]

It's a QF 106, well done Sleeve

[cringe]

List of aircraft types presented in this thread so far (http://www.geocities.com/blue_skies52003/list.htm)

Sleeve, welcome to the thread. Don't be shy - join the fun!

[MReyn24050]

wub
You say that the aircraft was a QF106. A search on Google produced the following information regarding the QF 106.
"Following the retirement of the last operational F106A Delta Dart in 1988, some 277 single seat (F106A) and 63 two seat versions (F106B) were converted into remotely targetable drones were converted to QF106 aerial target drones under the 'Pacer Six' Program, with most being expended by the 82 ATRS at Tyndall AFB (Florida). In the course of active operations QF106 drone ops, which extended to January of 1998, there were several flyable survivors which were able to return to AMARC for storage (D-MAFB, AZ). There were also a few non-flying airframes left on the Tyndall ramp at the end of the 'Pacer Six' Program (7 aircraft), as well, and originally they were parked in that part of the Tyndall AFB ramp known as the 'Swamp' (although in unflyable condition). Purchase of these remaining airframes was subsequently negotiated by a private aviation enterprise based in Texas (David Tokoff's GRECO-AIR in El Paso) and a tentative deal was struck with DRMS to sell the aircraft for purposes of restoring them as non-flying, museum-display grade aircraft. One of these aircraft was reportedly ear-marked for restoration as a fully operational flying specimen, although it appears that perhaps two of them may have been fully restored at this time for flight (including a two-seat B model); however, due to the fact that stringent 'de-mil' requirements for combat aircraft require cutting the airframe structural members to render them incapable of further flight applications, this stalled the whole purchase package for some time. As of 2 Mar 04, the non-flying survivors have all been trucked from the Tyndall ramp and shipped to GRECO-AIR's El Paso base of operations, where most of them are awaiting restoration".
I would be interested to know if this particular aircraft was in fact a converted F106B.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

No challenges? Well here is an easy one to keep the thread going.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz19.jpg

[682al]

Looks like a Hawker Sea Hawk from here?

[cringe]

Mel,

I would be interested to know if this particular aircraft was in fact a converted F106B.


It might have been a single-seater. See http://www.f-106deltadart.com/eclipse.htm

[MReyn24050]

682al
You are correct Sir. You have control
cringe
Thanks for the link. Looking at the adjacent photograph showing the forward portion of the cockpit visor I can now see that it was a F106A.
Mel

[682al]

Here we go again...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-5a.jpg

[wub]

Achtung! Spitfire?

[682al]

Leider nicht, Herr Vub! :D

[wub]

Ach! Scheiße :confused:

Hurricane then

[682al]

nor a Hurricane.

[MReyn24050]

I will go for a Fairey Fulmar or perhaps an early Firefly Mk.

[682al]

Not from the Fairey stable...

[MReyn24050]

I will go off on a complete tangent, even though the compass makes me think it is British, and say Junkers JU87 Stuka.

[682al]

Sorry MReyn24050, you are indeed on a tangent. :D

[gas path]

Boulton-Paul Defiant?????

[682al]

correct gas path, over to you!

[gas path]

Incoming............again!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/gaspath/an_early_one.jpg

[jabberwok]

Caprioni? Can't remember the number - will have to look it up.

[gas path]

And your answer is....................................wrong:p :}
Not Italian!

[MReyn24050]

Dornier DOX perhaps?

[cringe]

Curtiss H-16 ?

[LowNSlow]

Ilya Muromets?

[MReyn24050]

cringe

Well done you have beaten us again.

After you suggested it to be the Curtiss H-16 I found a copy of the photograph on a document entitled "Aircraft of the AEF". Whereas the layout of the cockpit DO-X is similar it was for two pilots not for a single pilot.

Mel

[gas path]

cringe, over to you:ok: twas indeed the Curtiss H 1-16.

[cringe]

Apologies for being late again. What type was the following contraption fitted into?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk28.jpg

[MReyn24050]

cringe

The DFS 228 V1. Here she is on the back off a Dornier Do 217K V-3

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/228-6.jpg

Mel

[mikl]

Blohm und Voss BV 40 ?

[cringe]

Sorry mikl, not the BV 40.

Well done Mel, you're correct about the DFS 228. It was the V2 prototype; according to my information the V1 had a conventional sitting position for the pilot.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe
Thanks, I knew they were intending to use a pilot in the normal sitting position on the V1 but wasnt sure if they achieved it.
Here is a another one I am sure you and the other experts will not have a great deal of trouble with.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz39.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

A variation of the Waco 10 ???..... ASO .....INF one of those series ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorrry Bert neither of those.

[Bert Stiles]

OK, the other obvious choice would be a Travelair ?

[MReyn24050]

Wrong again Bert, however it is from North America.

[jabberwok]

Ryan? But not the PT22..

PT16?

[MReyn24050]

No Sir, not a Ryan. This type first flew in 1930.

[barit1]

Consolidated / Brewster Fleet?

[MReyn24050]

barit1. You are on the right lines any idea which one i.e. Fleet?

[barit1]

The Fleet was built under several different company names, starting in the late 20's. My cousin owned a Fleet 2 (Kinner 100 hp.) - built in Buffalo about 1929 I think. In the 30's a Canadian company bought the rights and wound up building hundreds of Fleet 16B trainers (160 hp Kinner) with cockpit canopies for the RCAF IIRC.

I wouldn't know how to pin this photo down any closer than that.

[jabberwok]

Fleet Fawn Mk II (7c)?

Barit deserves the award if this is right. The Fawn is the only aircraft to show the curved windscreen in your photo - all the other Fleet's seem to have three piece glass.

[MReyn24050]

barit 1 & jabberwok
This aircraft was the Fleet 7. NC226H
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Fleet207C20N226H20rfq.jpg
OK Barit 1 identified the designer, he has control.
Reuben H.Fleet launched in 1923 in Buffalo, N.Y. the Consolidated Aircraft Co. Consolidated built huge numbers of flying boats for the U.S. Navy. The creation of the civil Model 14 "Husky"trainer led to the creation of the Fleet Aircraft Division in 1929. The Fleet 7 flew first in 1930, a total of 374 were built, including the Fleet 10 designed for the European market. Manufacturing rights of the Fleet trainers were sold in 1939 to Brewster Aeronautical Corp. The Early Birds'

[barit1]

I'm extending downwind so someone else can take my slot. ;)

[jabberwok]

Many thanks Barit. I just so have one..
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/WebPix/Cockpit.gif

[BSD]

How about a Hawker of some kind, Hind/Hart/Audax? Not a Fury as it seems to have 2 seats.

[682al]

Hawker Tomtit

[jabberwok]

Spot on 682al - your turn now.

[682al]

May I skip my turn, please, while I search desperately for something with a bit of a challenge in it?

Anyone having a photo to hand, please go ahead...

[gruntie]

OK for as brief interlude try this one:

http://i1.tinypic.com/o512lc.jpg

[Genghis the Engineer]

Short Empire flying boat?

G

[gruntie]

Nope - keep trying........

[Bert Stiles]

If it's the Brabazon can we have another please ? 'cos we've already had that.

[LowNSlow]

Martin Mars?

[gruntie]

.......groan.......told you it would be brief. Apologies, didn't think it had come up. Over to you........

[Genghis the Engineer]

Aha, so it is! And here's where you got the photo. (http://www.transportarchive.org.uk/getobject.php?rnum=G3306&searchitem=bomber&mtv=G1&pnum=6)


If I may jump in, happened to spot one of these whilst I had a camera in my hand a little while ago. Sorry my focussing finger wasn't working well that day, but I'd hate to make life too easy.

(Who am I kidding, it'll probably be gone by lunchtime as usual).

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/GenghistheEngineer/PPrune%20display%20photos/Cockpit19Feb.jpg

G

[treadigraph]

Ghengis, is that TFC's Beaufighter? Looks familiar...

If so, someone else have a go, I aint got none!

[Bert Stiles]

In line with modern CRM, the policy of the thread is not to operate a blame culture (though this shall not provide a defence in the case of deliberate or wilful negligence).

Please facilitate communication with other sources of information, weigh and decide on possible solutions, review your options - finally attempt to disaffirm the choice and if unable to do so - post a new challenge.

Go on have another go.

[MReyn24050]

I too would say it was the Beaufighter which also has been up before. Henry Crun on 22 Oct 05.

[cringe]

List of types already posted (http://www.geocities.com/blue_skies52003/list.htm)

[Genghis the Engineer]

'Tis true, I was passing through the restoration workshop at Duxford a few weeks ago and happened to have a camera in my hand. Apologies for not noting it had gone before.

G

[MReyn24050]

Great photograph Gengis. Please do not apologise with some 277 aircraft in the list it is easily done. I see cringe has kindly updated the list, thanks for that cringe. So Gengis I am sure you have a few that have not yet been posted.

[Mr_Grubby]

Hope nobody minds if I jump in with a quickie !!

Clint.

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit10.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Clint

How could we object when you started this wonderful thread. Could this be a Commonwealth 185 Skyranger.

[Mr_Grubby]

Thanks Mel. I had no idea it would take off like this !!
No, it's not a 185 Skyranger.

C.

[BSD]

I'll go for another wild guess, hopefully not too inaccurate!
How about an Aermacchi-Lockheed AL60, possibly the SA built version which I think is called an Atlas Kudu?
BTW, this thread is loads-a-fun! Who cares if some of them get repeated!

[Mr_Grubby]

Sorry BSD.

C.

[185skywagon]

Murphy Moose??

[con-pilot]

Sorry to interrupt, and if out of line please direct me to the proper area.

I have a lot of pictures of airplanes, some rather strange, that I have flown including cockpits, the PQ-14 is one. However they are in slide format and I don't have clue how to show these pictures on line.

Can anybody help?

Excellent thread by the way! :ok:

[Genghis the Engineer]

Sorry to interrupt, and if out of line please direct me to the proper area.
I have a lot of pictures of airplanes, some rather strange, that I have flown including cockpits, the PQ-14 is one. However they are in slide format and I don't have clue how to show these pictures on line.
Can anybody help?
Excellent thread by the way! :ok:
Either go to a commercial service, or buy a slide scanner.

All-in-one printer/scanner/slide scanners such as the Epson RX620 (I have a slightly older model and it's excellent) start at a few hundred pounds. Do a web search (or look at the small-ads in the back of camera magazines) and you'll find lots of companies who do slide to digital transfers; prices vary a lot, and it's usually cheapest to have them done in batches.

G

[jabberwok]

Helio Courier?

[Mr_Grubby]

Not a Murphy Moose or Helio Courier.

It's European.

C.

[jabberwok]

Dornier 27 then? I think it's one of those short field types hence the guess at the Helio.

[185skywagon]

Max Holste Broussard?

[MReyn24050]

Beagle Airedale perhaps? On second thoughts not the Airedale as that had control yokes so I will go for the Beagle Terrier.

[Mr_Grubby]

None of those.
Think Eastern European.

C.

[jabberwok]

PZL 105?

A wild guess now.. :8

[Mr_Grubby]

jabberwok.
You're getting warm.

C.

[jabberwok]

That's the only one I know apart rom the Wilga (which we've had). I'll have to leave someone else to make the final connection.

[MReyn24050]

Clint

PZL-Okecie 101 Gawron, if so Jabberwok did most of the work.
Is this the aircraft?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/0335460.jpg

Mel

[Mr_Grubby]

Mel,
Correct,
Well done sir.

Clint.

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Clint.
I hope this challenge is in order, I have put up three at once because I know that the experts will get them without any trouble. However to win the honour of putting up the next challenge the winner has to get all three.
1. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz41.jpg
2.http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz42.jpg
3.http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz43.jpg

[BSD]

How about:
1. Caravelle
2. Convair 880/990
3. B707
Any good?

[BSD]

Oops!
Maybe no.2 should be a B727, can't quite make out the thrrust levers enough to count them!

[MReyn24050]

BSD
Great I knew the experts would have no problem.

Yes I am sure you meant:-
1. Sud Aviation Caravelle Series 1
2. Convair 990A
3. Boeing 727

You have control Sir.

[BSD]

You're very kind. Got overexcited, seeing something I recognised and stumbled over the order. As Pete Postlethwaite says in Brassed off, " all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order! "
Still not able to post anything myself, can someone else do the honours?

[Bert Stiles]

This is a cockpit section +, and makes it in to the game on that basis. I don't know whether it was completed, nor do I have a picture of the interior. If this is too close to "guess this aeroplane", please disregard.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/diana.jpg

[Mr_Grubby]

Is it Japaneese ?

C.

[MReyn24050]

My thoughts also Clint. Perhaps a version of the Kawasaki Ki-45-KAI-Tei Toryu.

[con-pilot]

Thanks Genghis, I'll give that a try.:ok:

[Bert Stiles]

Hmmmm,

looks Japanese - but isn't.

[gas path]

Ki-109 (experimental)??
Doh!!! that shot that theory down in flames:{

[Wunper]

Is it a FW TA154 variant?
W

[Bert Stiles]

No not a Focke Wulf.

[MReyn24050]

Not that I can find anything, but perhaps an unknown Bristol Project.

[Bert Stiles]

Not a Bristol or even British.

It is a bit odd. I think it was a project only, from around 1935 surprisingly.

[Saab Dastard]

Italian, possibly? Caproni?

[Bert Stiles]

Not Italian - but Axis none the less - though I think that term came into being after this was built.

[LowNSlow]

Is it an Arado of some description??

[MReyn24050]

Ao 225 by AGO. Twin engine heavy fighter?

[Bert Stiles]

All yours MReyn24050. Well done. Ago of Oschersleben, Aktien Gesellschaft Otto out of WWI company of slightly different name produced the Kurier, appx 9 made incl prototypes, this half finished job and another design plus all sorts under licence. Heavy fighter - all I know. Please elaborate anyone.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bert.
Apart from the name of the project listed in a document entitled "German Military Aircraft Designations (1933-1945) and matching this with the information on the Ao 192 Kurier I also could not find no further details of the Ao 225.
http://histaviation.com/AGO_Ao_192.html

Mel

[MReyn24050]

I am sure this one will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz34.jpg

[JDK]

You've all been having fun while I've been busy.

Well I'm back.

Sikorski S-43?

[MReyn24050]

JDK
Nice to see you back, hope you had some fun as well. Sorry not the Sikorski S-43.

Mel

[JDK]

Well that would have been an impressive arrival if I'd been right.

It's always the details. :}

It's a flying boat or amphib, and those windscreen frames seem familiar.

I reckon it's a twin.

And American.

Ummm....

[JDK]

If it's a Sikorsky JRS-1 then there will be words... :8

[MReyn24050]

JDK

Yes it's an amphibian, and it's a twin.

It is also American, but not from the Sikorsky stable.

Mel

[JDK]

Douglas Dolphin?

(or Hall PH-3, which I don't think there are any left, so the radio in the pic don't fit)

[MReyn24050]

JDK

It is the Douglas Dolphin. Welcome back. You have control.

Mel

[JDK]

..and I'd just convinced myself I was wrong... Lovely aircraft.

I can let the airliners go by, but if I miss a flying boat or amphibian of some age and class, I'll shoot meself. :E

Don't think we've had this one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/JDK2/CockpitQuiz/005_6x.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Bristol Beaufort perhaps or Blenhiem/Bolingbroke?

[Bert Stiles]

No one seems to be about..... I'll say it's an A-26.

[con-pilot]

How about a A-20 Havoc, don't see a co-pilot seat.

[JDK]

Bert's correct, a Conair A-26 firebomber preserved in the Sydney BC museum.

Yours, Bert.

[Bert Stiles]

Sorry about the delay... cookies.

Something simple with a reasonable image....


http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/digbypit.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Douglas B-18 perhaps?

[Bert Stiles]

No ... sorry that's my smokescreen. Originally I tried bolo.... but got myself sent off.

[MReyn24050]

I thought Digby was a red herring, but no harm in trying. :)

[682al]

Boeing Model 247

[MReyn24050]

Once again 682al has got the honours as I am sure Bert will confirm. Cringe will have to watch out as 682al is quickly catching her up in successes.

[682al]

Thanks MReyn24050, but to be honest, if it's not a) British and b) from 1930 - 1950, it's mainly guess work on my part!

Apologies for the size and quality of this one...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-22.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

Yes 247 it is. Carry on.

[682al]

Apologies for jumping the gun, Bert, should've awaited your confirmation!

[Bert Stiles]

Nee bother at all 682 - it keeps it moving.

MR. In addition to the total tally, the number of 1st time successes, existing clues and total time should also be borne in mind. As you say, Ms C + 682 have a certain accuracy. I'll wait for some wild stabs before I have a go at the current challenge.

[MReyn24050]

682al and Bert.
No, it should be me that should be apologising. I was just about to propose the Boeing 247 after seeing ithe photograph in Peter M Bower's book Boeing Aircraft since 1916 when I saw 682al's response. Couldn't resist in commenting.

Bert

Ms Cringe has some 41 successes and 682al 22, however you are fast catching them up.

Mel

[cringe]

Thanks, Mel. I had no idea about my score; being less than an amateur I wouldn't dream of comparing myself with the experts. To me this thread is just a lot of fun.

[MReyn24050]

cringe

I couldn't agree more about the thread being a great deal of fun, but one cannot but admire the knowledge you have built up and the research that you must do to be able to solve the challenges put up and to pose the many rare challenges you put up for us to solve.

Mel

[AppleMacster]

I've just updated the list again, which currently stands at 280. You can find it here:
Aircraft Cockpits List (http://homepage.mac.com/applemacster/Flying/AircraftCockpits.htm)
(sorry for the delay in updating - busy finishing off my IR!)
AppleMacster

[JDK]

Everyone's being coy about the current actual challange I note. :E

Bit of a toughie. Biplane, single engined, no visible weaponery, but over-instramented for something of the 1930s (or 20s) and not fitting a British style set up although the compass is vaguely like.

So, not private civil (too much whizzy stuff) and not frontline military. Is it a test research aircraft? Italian? American?

Hmmmm...

[682al]

Not an Italian machine, nor an American one.

But a standard production example, as far as I am aware.

[Bert Stiles]

Yes coy's the word. OK is it Japanese ?.

[682al]

Not a Japanese machine...

[spitfire]

Westland PV3?

[Bert Stiles]

I think it is either French or German - and it being a bit haphazard - French.

[682al]

Not Westland, nor Japanese, sorry!

[MReyn24050]

Wild quess Arado Ar 66c?

[Bert Stiles]

A Belgian Fox ?

[682al]

Bert, it's a Fox, but I have to say I cannot confirm whether it's Belgian or not.

It's a tiny image that does not respond well to enlargement, you just lose what bit of detail there is.

That said, the instruments aren't typically British.

Over to you!

[Bert Stiles]

Yes, I guessed it was for the same reason. Could easily be wrong though.
Here's another easyish one - the answer's in the name.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/Tachikawa.jpg

[JDK]

A Fox, eh?

Interesting. What's th origin of the pic?

And what's next?

[682al]

A Fox, eh?

Interesting. What's th origin of the pic?

I think I found it on the net, many years ago.

[JDK]

I'm not being a sore loser (really) :D

But I wonder if it's a) a standard panel (might be, being the unconventional private venture type that the Fox was) or if the pic's been messed with - it doesn't look quite right to me.

Anyone?

[jabberwok]

The absence of a head protector is the first thing I noticed together with no top protection over the panel. An intersting shot.

Is the next one a PZL?

[Bert Stiles]

Sorry, not Polish.

[jabberwok]

Nakajima Ko3?

[Bert Stiles]

I like the thinking - but not Japanese either.

[Mr_Grubby]

Is it German ?
Something like an Albatros.

C.

[MReyn24050]

Most Unusual layout. It would appear to be possibly the rear cockpit of a Biplane. Could it be The Fairey Fleetwing?

[MReyn24050]

Second thoughts. I think it is a single seater Biplane. With a sliding cockpit canopy which joins up with that curved screen above the wing. I do not think it is from the UK. Possibly for racing or speed trials?

[Wunper]

The Laird LC-DW-500 "Super Solution"
Some hairy looking beast and the name is probably a reference to the contents of the pilots underkegs
http://www.airminded.net/lcdw500/ss_10oc77.jpg

[Bert Stiles]

Indeed.

The winner of the 1931 Bendix Trophy, flown by James Doolittle.

Yours Wunper.

[Wunper]

Cheers Bert
I hope you enjoy this one, my money is on Mme. Cringe ;)
W
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/Guesswhatss.jpg

[Saab Dastard]

Morris Minor? :p

[MReyn24050]

Saab Dastard. I would agree, I was going to say Austin 7 but my Austin 7 didnt have so many instruments.

Wunper is it single engined? Possibly the Northrop Delta Mk 1 as used by the RCAF?

[Wunper]

SD Er... nope :hmm: not British anyway
MReyn24050 Single Engined yes but not American

[Saab Dastard]

How about a little Fokker, then? C-14? Super Universal?

[MReyn24050]

Perhaps the Noorduyn C-64 (Norseman)?

[Wunper]

SD Not Fokker but smack on for era
MReyn24050 Not Canadian & Norseman is about 5 yrs younger than this machine
W