What Cockpit ?

[Wunper]

S-D , warm
W

[MReyn24050]

SlippingRight

Agreed, just checked my photograph of the DO-X. The DO-X had seperate instrument panels for Pilot and Co-Pilot also the centre window was divided into two.

[Wunper]

M J
Nope, It is not an airship cockpit (this will let the cat out of the bag!)

[gas path]

Not the Londonaire is it?:eek:

[Tim Inder]

Or a Zeppelin Staaken?

[MReyn24050]

The Latecoere 521 Flying Boat?

[682al]

I think Tim Inder has it.

[Saab Dastard]

Maybe it's a 1908 tram with dual controls for instructing trainee drivers! :D

[Wunper]

Tim Inder is correct!
It is the monumental Zeppelin Staaken R.VI 1917
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/staakenRV1ground.jpg
4 x 260hp Mercedes
1x 120hp Mercedes to drive a supercharger (Cabin Mounted!)
Span 42.2m
Length 22.1m
Weight 8600-11590kg
Ceiling 5900m
Endurance 7-9 hrs
Speed 160km.h
The large instrument in the windshield is a very early air driven gyro bank indicator made by Drexler
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/StaakenRVI.jpg
Over to you Tim!
W

[Tim Inder]

Oops!
It was just a speculative stab in the dark, so I didn't bother to check the answer until today!
This shouldn't last too long, so I want the correct name of this version!
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/timinder/cockpit.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The rear seat and console of the Grob Twin Astir or to be more precise Grob G-103A Twin II Acro?

[Tim Inder]

Sorry, you're wrong!

[MReyn24050]

OK thanks. Will withdraw my picture. It is a glider though? How about the Grob G-103SL Twin self launcher?

[cringe]

Grob G-103 Twin Astir / Viking TX.1 ?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Cringe. You may well be correct with the Viking TX1. I proposed the Grob Twin Astir but Tim seems to be asking for the exact version, however with that photograph it is a guessing game.
Mel

[jabberwok]

Suggest we move on whilst waiting for Tim to respond?

[MReyn24050]

Jabberwok
I agree. Time marches on. I am convinced it is a Grob Twin as the console matches similar ones to the Grob G-103s on Airliners.net but what version only Tim knows.
Mel

[cringe]

Hi Mel,

Tim's pic can be found here:
http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/2000/611vgs/gliding.htm

Could you please post the next challenge, since you did all the work by suggesting a Grob G-103 ? :)

[MReyn24050]

cringe
Many thanks. I did think that Tim was being a little pedantic considering how small the photograph was. However I am sure this will be solved in a very short time.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz74.jpg

[The Invisible Cat]

The RAF Vikings TX1 is indeed a Grob G103 II Acro (wing planform similar to the I, whereas the fuselage is similar to the III) produced by Slingsby under licence from Grob. So MReyn24050 is technically right, but pedantically speaking cringe has it.

OT, one is appalled to see that the RAF does not care much about the glider manufacturers' recommendations (http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/farbwarnlackierung-e.html) about anti-collision painting :
Because of the increased temperatures caused by colors other than white, only areas not subject to vertical sunshine and areas with high safety factors can be painted in safety paint.
One has to have sunshine and it must be vertical, though :rolleyes:

[Mr_Grubby]

De Hav. Hornet ?

C.

[The Invisible Cat]

Grumman F7F Tigercat ?

[MReyn24050]

The Invisible Cat & Mr_Grubby.

Sorry neither Grumman F7F Tigercat nor De Hav. Hornet.

However Invisible Cat from the information supplied by cringe I agree it was the RAF version and cringe was correct. But without access to that information it was not possible to determine the precise version of the aircraft type from the information I was able to access it was a Grob G-103. As far as I am concerned cringe gets the honours.

[682al]

Whirlwind, but Ithought it had already been done?

[MReyn24050]

682al
You are correct on both counts. I really should check my own list it was last presented on the 31st October 05 by none other than Tim Inder. I do apologise please present a new challenge. I will go to bed. :ugh:
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Well to keep things moving I present this one in place of the duplication. I am 100% positive this has not been used before.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz72.jpg

[cringe]

AW Albemarle ?

[MReyn24050]

Cringe

It is the right answer. Well done indeed. You have control

Mel

[cringe]

Thans, Mel. Try this one next:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk33.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Cringe
The control yoke is similar to a Bristol one but I do not think it is a Bristol Aircraft. The nose glazing does not match either. I would go for a twin engined light bomber WWII era so I will go for the Martin Maryland as I do not think it is Japanese or German.
Mel

[cringe]

Mel,
It's a twin-engined bomber that took part in WWII. Not a Martin.

[brickhistory]

Lockheed Hudson?

(misspelled Lockheed the first time!)

[cringe]

Sorry, not a Lockheed. It's not American. :)

[brickhistory]

Didn't think so with the 'spectacle' style yoke, but the forward fuselage shape made me take a shot........

(of course, after posting this I remembered the P-38 as well as others that did use a spectacle yoke, so I'll just be going now.....)

[sycamore]

Must be an Albemarle !

[gas path]

Albemarle has been done so I'll go for an early Wellington!

[Bert Stiles]

Breguet 690 series ?

[cringe]

gas path,

Not a Wellington.

Bert,

Not a Breguet either.

[gas path]

Oh POO! :ugh: Ok I'll try Beaufort

[cringe]

Not a Beaufort. It isn't British. Another pic:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk33a.jpg

[AppleMacster]

Apologies for not having updated the list recently. I've finally finished my IR, so have a little more time to dedicate to it! We're up to 310 different cockpits!
http://homepage.mac.com/applemacster/Flying/AircraftCockpits.htm
AppleMacster

[MReyn24050]

I will go to the Eastern Front and propose the Tupolev TU-2 SDB High-speed Daily Bomber or Tu-2R?

[cringe]

Not a Tupolev, sorry.

[MReyn24050]

Really clutching at straws now, how about the PZL P.37B Los Elk? The nose glazing seems to fit and I am sure it had a similar spectacle control yoke.

[cringe]

Well played, Mel. :ok: Your persistence paid off as usual. :) It was indeed the Los. Your turn again.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe :) Thanks that was a good challenge well up to your usual standard. I was lucky with that one as I had just brought the Putnams Book on Polish Aircraft and remembered seeing the Los in it. I am sure this will go in minutes.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz57.jpg

[FB11]

Horsa Glider? (Assuming that's a cable release and not a throttle on the left!)

[MReyn24050]

Sorry FB11 not the Horsa Glider.

[Wunper]

Miles M.57 Aerovan?

W
http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/pictures/jpg/MILES%20M57%20AEROVAN.jpg

[682al]

Miles Aerovan?

[MReyn24050]

Well done :ok: Wunper it is the right answer. You have control. Sorry 682al Wunper beat you by one minute.

[Wunper]

My scanner has decided to sulk :confused: to prevent a hold up before I fix it with an axe :E I shall have to pass to the swiftest poster!
W

[treadigraph]

Well that looks like one of the Tracey Brothers on the right, so I'll venture Thunderbird II :} Either that or a KC-97...

[ICT_SLB]

Slightly OT but does anyone know of the fate of the Aerovan that resided in the old North Devon Flying Club hangar at Wrafton (West end of RAF Chivenor near the old railway station)? Beleive it was used (or intended) for air service to Lundy Island.

[jabberwok]

C133 Cargomaster?

[mikl]

XC 99 Convair ( I'm not sure of the manufacturer)

[MReyn24050]

C-17A Globemaster II?

[mikl]

Any DC 10 driver around ?

[treadigraph]

ICT_SLB

You must be talking 1950s/1960s? - I believe the Aerovan pranged on Lundy.

Edited: just been doing some googling - it was G-AJOG, but no accident is mentioned.

Treadders

[MReyn24050]

KC-10A or earlier version?

[brickhistory]

The mighty Boeing KC-135 (don't hold me to A, E or R model from this pic, please!)?

[MReyn24050]

Either Boeing C-137B or KC-137?

[oncemorealoft]

McDonnell Douglas YC-15?

[saman]

Howz about the Boeing YC 14. If I'm right I cannot post quickly so someone else please take up the baton.

[oncemorealoft]

Sorry, don't have access to any suitable challenges at this time so anyone feel free to take my place. Anyone remember the excellent flightdeck pictures that once appeared in the inside back page of Flight Int. in the 1970s?

[jabberwok]

Here's a quickie whilst the heavyweights are digging something nasty out..
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/WebPix/Cockpit14.jpg

[682al]

Hawker Cygnet?

[jabberwok]

A bit later than the Cygnet but right country.

Edited after checking the facts..

[jabberwok]

A much slower aircraft... Much slower.. ;)

[windriver]

Parnall ... Lympne Trials? Am I warm??

[sycamore]

Granger Archeopteryx, and I think I was the last person to fly it at OW,11-4-77;so we`ll wait for Airbedane to give an update,if he is going to fly it !!!!Syc.;)

[jabberwok]

Sycamore is correct.

Was it as difficult to land as reports suggest?

[MReyn24050]

We seemed to have stalled. It would appear to be Sycamore's throw. I put this one up to keep things going. I apologise in advance for the poor quality.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz76.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Not the Mosquito Mike. It is a twin though as you no doubt have deduced.

[sycamore]

J `Wok, in a word -yes !
Please carry-on, I can`t scan anything as it`s f%^&K*D !!Syc

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Sycamore, please forgive me for jumping in. I guessed something must have been up. Hope you can fix it soon.
Mel

[Tim Inder]

It's Japanese, twin engine, single pilot. Could it be the Ki-45?
It doesn't quite match the photos I've been able to find (pressure gauges on the other side of the panel for one thing)
But it could be a different variant...

p.s. apologies for not being around to comment on the last pic I submitted - I was away on a course over the weekend and by the time I managed to check in, you'd (correctly) ID'ed it and moved on!

[MReyn24050]

Tim
Please do not apologise fully understand, hope the course went well.

It is a Japanese, twin engine aircraft and flown by a single pilot. It is not the Ki-45 however?

[MReyn24050]

Correct Mike. It is the Kawasaki Ki-48 (Lily)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Ki-48LilycapturedinChinaafterthewar.jpg
These were captured in China after the war
You have control
Mel

[682al]

I'm straining my eyes to make this one out, but is it a Vickers Valiant?

[682al]

Thanks Mike, the yokes are distinctively Vickers so working the rest out wasn't too hard.

Here's mine...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-2.jpg

I'm a bit "here, there and everywhere" at the moment so please be patient if my responses are slow in coming.

[MReyn24050]

Going on the windscreen format it reminds me of the Heston Type 1 Phoenix Judging by the intruments on the central console it may be a twin.

[682al]

Heston Phoenix it is, well done MReyn24050!

[MReyn24050]

682al
Thanks. I am sure this one will not remain unsolved for long.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz60.jpg

[Will be off line until early tomorrow morning, please post a new challenge if certain you have the answer.]

[asw28-866]

Beech Staggerwing? Not 100% sure so won't post in anticipation.

866

[MReyn24050]

Sorry asw28-866. Not the Beech Staggerwing.
Mel

[jabberwok]

Trying to recall other aircraft with throw over yokes..

Stinson?

[MReyn24050]

This aristocrat is not a Stinson.

[barit1]

Rara avis - Waco Aristocrat :8

[fernytickles]

Cabin WACO - YKS, UEC, something like that?

[pigboat]

Spartan Executive?

[MReyn24050]

pigboat
You have it, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Yes it is the Spartan Executive often called "Aristocrat of the Air". This was the aircraft concerned.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/N47W_1.jpg
You have control

[pigboat]

I'm afraid I contributed my meagre bit earlier on, so I'll pass my turn to someone else. :O

Isn't the Spartan a beautiful aircraft though? I was fortunate enough to get to sit in one at an airshow in Dayton OH once. There was, I believe, a one-of version of the 7W - the 12W - equipped with a nose wheel. Rumour also had it that the King of Saudi Arabia ordered several for his personal transportation needs, but WW2 interferred before he got them up and running. Maybe somewhere in the desert there are a few still in their shipping crates?

[MReyn24050]

pigboat
It certainly is a beautiful aircraft. Here is a site that has photographs of some survivors. http://www.dtlinn.com/spartanexecutive.html

Mel

[barit1]

Pigboat - Of the 34 model 7W's built, one was custom fitted for King Ghazi of Iraq (s/n 19, YI-SOF) - it had gold anodized skin and a throne on the rear seat. Later commandeered by the RAF as AX666. (Hmmmm...)

My fiancee & I had a delightful ride in s/n 16 almost 40 years ago. It flew just like it looks!

[cringe]

To keep the ball rolling:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk34.jpg

[pigboat]

Thanks for that info on the Spartan, guys. :ok:

And I see the capable Ms. cringe had stepped to the plate.
A Fairchild product, cringe? :confused:

[cringe]

pigboat,

Sorry, not a Fairchild. Wrong side of the Atlantic. :)

[pigboat]

Oops! I should have known. The control column is pointing off toward the east. ;)

[jabberwok]

Heston Phoenix?

[cringe]

Nope. Heston Phoenix was a challenge a few days ago.

[Bert Stiles]

Monospar ?

[cringe]

Not a Monospar. It isn't British, though it resembles a much better known British type.

[MReyn24050]

Hi cringe
Are we talking about a DH 89 look alike?

[cringe]

Hi Mel,

Spot on. :ok: This should be easier now. :)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk34a.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks cringe. Unfortunately it didnt help very much. Can you give a hint regarding its nationality? It is believed that the DH84 and 89 were built under licence by Japan, Switzerland, Czechoslavakia and Spain was it one of these?

[cringe]

Another European country. The company (name starts with B) acquired a licence in 1934, but the type in question is a modification of the original idea, with its own designation. First flight: June 1934.

[cringe]

Sorry Mike, not a Breguet or French. It looks like the Dragon Rapide.

[Tim Inder]

Italian then?
Breda Ba.44?

[cringe]

Well done, Tim. :ok: Your turn.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk34b.jpg

[Tim Inder]

Thanks! - no time to look for one at the moment - I'll throw it to the floor...

[Mr_Grubby]

Not sure if we have had this one or not. I don't think so.

Clint.


http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/cockpit11.jpg

[foxmoth]

Miles Magister?
Actually I think the wing probably not far enough forward.

[Mr_Grubby]

foxmoth.
Sorry no.

C.

[MReyn24050]

A Stampe SV-4b rear cockpit?

[Mr_Grubby]

Mel.

Sorry.

C.

[682al]

Polikarpov PO-2?

[Mr_Grubby]

http://www.btinternet.com/~simon.gurry/Dadsphotos/Po-2.jpg



682al.

Correct.
you have control.

Clint.

[682al]

Thanks Clint,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-45.jpg

:confused:

[jabberwok]

Eeee. A flying brick. :\

[MReyn24050]

It is obviously a Microlight or what is known, I believe, as a Trike, but what make? I will go for the Antares A-10 R503 Solo.

[682al]

Sorry MReyn24050, not a Solo.

And keep your sarcasm to yourself, Jabberwok, I used to hurtle across the scenery at anything up to 33 m.p.h. IAS in that machine! :D

[Genghis the Engineer]

Thanks Clint,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-45.jpg
:confused:

Oooh, that's a nasty one, since it doesn't look like a standard aeroplane to me.

It's clearly a non-standard instrument panel which is, particularly interestingly, missing any ASI; that suggest's it's pre-1984. The colour of the pod, and the pip-pin suggest something from Solar Wings. The basebar however is a particular shade of blue anodising that I've only ever seen in wings from Southdown. The basebar also seems to be at a very worrying angle across the pod.

33mph is slow even for a single seat trike, but not unusual for something that early. The funny pod suggests it may be the Brooks prone, but I can't see anybody going prone in that.

Hmmm.

I'm guessing that it might have been some variant upon the Demon Skytrike? (I say this however with very little confidence).

G

[682al]

Demon yes, Skytrike no.

It was a production machine which was also available "naked", i.e. without the pod.

The ASI (budgie feeder) was on the A-frame (I think it's just camera distortion that makes it look skew wiff!)

[Genghis the Engineer]

Well, all of the Demon variants were, I think, made by Hiway so I shall avoid the obvious copout of just saying Hiway Demon.

Demon triflyer then I think? With an ickle baby Robin engine and a Vne of 45mph.

G

[682al]

Correct Genghis!

Mainair Tri-flyer with Demon wing. This one had the mighty Robin 330 c.c. twin cylinder engine, and optional large capacity "Berlin" fuel tank!

[jabberwok]

And keep your sarcasm to yourself, Jabberwok, I used to hurtle across the scenery at anything up to 33 m.p.h. IAS in that machine!

I was serious - unless that isn't a brick in the photo. :ouch:

[Genghis the Engineer]

I seem to have two in hand at the moment, and really must sort out my photo collection so that I can find something worth posting. In the meantime, somebody please take my turn.

G

[Genghis the Engineer]

[Right, no more of the mopeds with bits added on........... :E ]



I resemble that remark Mr Jenvey!!!!!

Any chance of posting that picture big enough to actually see anything?

G

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Fw190D / Ta-152?

[MReyn24050]

Just a stab in the dark DH Hornet?

[Swifty_N]

Hmm..something Russian maybe?

I'll try the Il-10M but its probably not even close :uhoh:

[windriver]

Grumman AgCat

[treadigraph]

Grumman Avenger? (looks large!)

[spitfire]

Messerschmitt 109?

[cringe]

Fokker D21 ?

[cringe]

Thanks, Mike. Angled/tilted panels were a give-away. :) How about another "butterfly" yoke?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk35.jpg

[windriver]

Bristol Blenheim - Beaufort...

[cringe]

windriver,

Sorry, neither a Blenheim nor a Beaufort.

[682al]

Potex 63-11?

[cringe]

No, not a Potez.

[682al]

Okay, I'll try the Bloch MB131.

[cringe]

You got it, 682al. :ok: Your go.

[682al]

Thanks cringe,

Here's a straightforward one from me because I'm not going to be able to reply for a few days.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-2.jpg

[185skywagon]

Piper Tri-Pacer, Colt or early Maule,
with a fair bit of liberty taken as to what will actually fit in the Cabin.

[MReyn24050]

682al
Heston Phoenix you have already posted this one on the 16th March 2006.
Throw again.

Mel

[jabberwok]

Heston Phoenix you have already posted this one on the 16th March 2006.

I suspect the new photo has been uploaded with the same filename and has replaced the earlier shot.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks cringe,
Here's a straightforward one from me because I'm not going to be able to reply for a few days.

Jabberwok
Both pictures and file URLs are exactly the same. I suspect 862al intended to post a completely different photograph. It seems he will be off line for some time have you a picture to post?
Mel

[jabberwok]

Mel, you miss my point. If I upload a shot and call it cockpit.jpg for one answer and then upload a second shot called cockpit.jpg for a second quiz the original photo will be replaced and will appear in both posts. In this case the original Phoenix shot has been overwritten by the new one - it's definitely not a Phoenix shot any more.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Mike, the yokes are distinctively Vickers so working the rest out wasn't too hard.
Here's mine...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-2.jpg
I'm a bit "here, there and everywhere" at the moment so please be patient if my responses are slow in coming.
Jabberwok
Forgive me I beg to differ. 682al's latest photograph is exactly the same photograph he put up on the 16th March 2006. I understand what you are saying that if he changed the photograph coupled with his URL reference for his new post then the old one would also change but the photograph is exactly the one he presented on the 16th March for which I gave the answer. The aircraft is a Heston Phoenix. Consider the windscreen format.
Mel

[jabberwok]

I think we are looking at completely different photographs. If so this may be a cache issue.
Can you confirm you are seeing this picture -
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/bones/WebPix/confused.jpg

[treadigraph]

Well done Jabberwok, I had the same problem as 682AL. Pressed "Ctrl+F5" for a forced refresh and now see the Tri-Poke cockpit rather than the Heston. (I agree with 185Skywagon by the way!)

[jabberwok]

I've been caught out by this effect before so I thought summat was amiss..

Can't guess the model myself but it looks like an early Piper yoke.

[MReyn24050]

JabberwoK

I do now see a different picture to the one I saw when I commented before. Both pictures are now showing the drawing as against the picture of the Heston. I am now viewing these on my home PC with XP as against the one this morning which had Windows NT. As you say it sounds like a cache problem. I guess my other PC was looking for the URL address and came up with the previous photograph URL in it's memory and since this one is refreshed it now associates the previous post with the new photograph of 682al's latest post.
I do apologise for a moment I thought I was going crazy. Thanks for your patience.

Mel

[jabberwok]

No apology needed Mel. :ok:

Let's get on with the serious work of completely failing to identify the offending item. :)

[Saab Dastard]

It's Postman Pat, but where oh where is his black and white cat?

:p

[MReyn24050]

He is behind the hat box.

[barit1]

Not a PA22-108 Colt, it didn't have the aft side windows. :}

[MReyn24050]

Brochure for the Piper Saratoga PA-32? However the style of the drawing would indicate something much earlier.

[jabberwok]

I think 185Skywagon is probably right in saying the PA22 Tri Pacer - with a definitely streched imagination on behalf of the artist. It looks a lot bigger than the one I used to fly!

[con-pilot]

If we are talking about the picture on post 2527 it is either a Tri-Pacer or the original Pacer (PA-20 I think).

I'm going for the Tri-Pacer because of the deck angle being level as the Pacer had conventional landing gear.

[682al]

I'm back folks, and all I can see is an illustration of the cabin of a 1959 Piper Tri-Pacer 160, taken from an original sales brochure.

I deleted the Heston Phoenix photo at the same time as I uploaded this one, so I've no idea what caused the glitch - 'tweren't me, honest!

And I think 185Skywagon wins this round.

Now someone please post a photo of a 1930-1950 british cockpit so I can get back in the game! :D

[jabberwok]

I deleted the Heston Phoenix photo at the same time as I uploaded this one, so I've no idea what caused the glitch - 'tweren't me, honest!

No - it wasn't. Some ISP's cache data retrieved by their users so that the next time you load the page it is from the local server and therefore a lot faster. It normally works quite well unless, as in this case, a picture is changed (same filename, different picture). Some users will still get the cached picture from the local server unless they force a full refresh as Treaders suggested.

Now let's see what 185Skywagon can throw at us.. :eek:

[185skywagon]

I will have to hand over to someone else as I will away flying for the coming week.
cheers,
185

[cringe]

Here's one that shouldn't last too long:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk36.jpg

[682al]

an early Messerschmitt 321 with single cockpit?

[cringe]

Congrats 682al, you got it right once again. It's a Me-321A glider. Over to you now.

[682al]

Thanks, Cringe,

I've made sure there is no similarity in url between this and any other jpeg I've uploaded, so hopefully, no confusion...:=

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-x.jpg

[foxmoth]

I would go for Beechcraft of some type.

[682al]

Beechcraft, yes, but which type?

[cringe]

B55 Baron ?

[682al]

Correct, cringe. Back to you!

[cringe]

Thanks. I've already posted a challenge today, so foxmoth or someone else please have the next go.

[cringe]

If there are no takers, try this next:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk-37.jpg

[whitley_project]

Hello everyone

Sorry to gatecrash... This one is very difficult and I would be very grateful for any expert knowledge. I picked this instrument panel up at Shoreham aerojumble in the UK at the weekend. Originally it apparently had a full set of British WWI instruments. These are long gone, but I would like to know which aircraft the panel originated from.

Can anyone ID it?

The panel is fairly large - approx 50 cm.

Thank you!!

Elliott

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=118379

[MReyn24050]

whitley_project

Certainly not from a Camel, Snipe, SE5, Avro 504K or Gunbus. Looks a bit sparse for a WWI Fighter perhaps it is from DH Moth.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe

Are we looking at an Aircraft from the European side of the atlantic. Maybe a Klemm KI 32?

[cringe]

Mel,

European side, yes. This aircraft came much later than the Kl-32.

[MReyn24050]

YAK 10 or YAK 12 but I think I may have gone too far east?

[cringe]

Good call on the era and location, though it isn't a Yak.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Cringe
A complete stab in the dark MG-8 UTKA Light Support Aircraft?

[cringe]

Bigger than UTKA. We had the manufacturer in this quiz before, but it's not Mig.

[MReyn24050]

Possibly an early Antonov AN2 or Polikarpov U-2 Po-2?

[cringe]

Right size with the An-2, but this one isn't a biplane.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe
I am really lost here now, I suggest the UTVA Cijan C3 Troika but I do not think it is as big as the AN2.

[cringe]

Sorry, this one was Russian (Utva/Cijan were Yugoslav I think). Not Antonov or Polikarpov.

[MReyn24050]

cringe

I think I am going to get my feet wet here and propose the Beriev MBR-5 or -7.

[cringe]

Not a MBR-5 or 7, but you are nearly there. :)

[MReyn24050]

Not a MBR-5 or 7, but you are nearly there. :)

Perhaps I should have gone for the civil Beriev MP-1bis.

[cringe]

A Beriev it is, though it came later than the MP-1.

[MReyn24050]

I will go to post war the Beriev BE8, KOR 4, Type 33? Am I right in thinking it is a single engined aircraft?

[cringe]

That was it, a Be-8 amphibian:

http://www.beriev.com/images/be-8.jpg

Well done Mel and thanks for not giving up. :) Over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Cringe
Many thanks it was a very interesting challenge and well worth the chase. I am not suire about this one it may prove to be hard but then I expect 682al or yourself will get in a flash.
The view is of the back of an instrument panel.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz58.jpg

Be back on line tomorrow morning

[whitley_project]

Thanks MReyn



whitley_project

Certainly not from a Camel, Snipe, SE5, Avro 504K or Gunbus. Looks a bit sparse for a WWI Fighter perhaps it is from DH Moth.

[whitley_project]

Those look like British MK II rad and oil temp gauges in the back of that panel...

Twin engined?


Cringe
Many thanks it was a very interesting challenge and well worth the chase. I am not suire about this one it may prove to be hard but then I expect 682al or yourself will get in a flash.
The view is of the back of an instrument panel.


Be back on line tomorrow morning

[682al]

Hmmm, an early pressurised cabin. Mk. VI Wellington perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

Whitley Project
Certainly British and twin engined.

682al

On the right lines, but not a Wellington.

[682al]

O.k., I'll stick with Vickers for the Type 432 "Tin Mossie" high altitude fighter?

[MReyn24050]

682al
You were right sticking with Vickers it is the Type 432.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/VickersType432.jpg

You have control

[682al]

Thanks MReyn24050. I'm half-sure I've seen that photo published as a Wellington VI somewhere!

I'll put something up later.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks MReyn24050. I'm half-sure I've seen that photo published as a Wellington VI somewhere!

The photograph was scanned from the February 1997 issue of Aeroplane Monthly which published the photograph as part of an article on the Vickers 432 "Tin Mossie". I feel pretty confident they got it right. I have seen, on another website, the Wellington VI referred to incorrectly as the Type 432. As you no doubt know the Prototype Wellington VI was Vickers Type 431 and Production Wellington Mk VIA was the Type 442 and the Mk VIG the Type 449.
Mel

[682al]

Hi Mel, I'm talking years ago in a book about british bombers. I'm sure Aeroplane Monthly has it right.

Meanwhile, here's my next contribution...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v664/682al/Untitled-z.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Piaggio P-149 perhaps?

[682al]

You might mistake this for one at a hundred yards (or metres).

[The Invisible Cat]

You might mistake this for one at a hundred yards (or metres).European, then
How about the Socata MS-8xx Rallye or its Polish equivalent (Koliber IIRC) ?

[682al]

European, but neither of those Cat, sorry.

[windriver]

Avions Pierre Robin D??

[jabberwok]

Procaer F15 Picchio or maybe it's younger cousin the Nibbio.

[682al]

Nope, none of the above.

Likened to an Alfa Romeo in it's time...

[The Invisible Cat]

il splendidissimo SIAI-Marchetti SF-260 alora ?

[fernytickles]

I've heard a Falco compared to an Alfa Romeo

[asw28-866]

I'm with Fernyfreckles, F8F Falco from that clever Frati chap.

[682al]

Being pedantic, it's the F.8.L but I think fernytickles gets the credit.

[spitfire]

posting on behalf of fernytickles...
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1466/what3cn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[MReyn24050]

Canopy Gull wing doors similar to the Czech Aircraft Works Mermaid. But instrument panel different also nose structure too short. Can we take it that this a similar aircraft with the engine behind the cockpit?

[spitfire]

It is not a Mermaid and there's not a huge amount of similarity... but yes, the engine is aft of the cockpit.

[jabberwok]

Three gears and reverse? :}

[fernytickles]

Clue - it is a jet.

[windriver]

It looks a bit like a Bede..

(but I`ve never come close to guessing the cockpit and I`m not holding my breath this time either.)

[fernytickles]

Not a Bede

[MReyn24050]

The French SIPA S.200 Minijet perhaps
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/sipa200b1.jpg

[fernytickles]

correct, sir!

[MReyn24050]

Thank You Fernytickles.
I am sure this wont last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz73.jpg

[682al]

I'm tempted to suggest Bristol Bombay - possibly a prototype, but I'm struggling with dead and dying hard drives at the mo' so cannot devote too much time to the quiz!

If I'm right, someone else have a go...

[LowNSlow]

I'll go with the Bristol Blenheim.

[MReyn24050]

I'm tempted to suggest Bristol Bombay - possibly a prototype, but I'm struggling with dead and dying hard drives at the mo' so cannot devote too much time to the quiz!
If I'm right, someone else have a go...
682al
You are correct it is the Bristol Bombay. LowNSlow do you want to take
682al's go?

[LowNSlow]

I would love to but I am at the end of a terrible connection right now. Can somebody else step in please?

[cringe]

OK, here's one:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk38.jpg

[Saab Dastard]

It looks like the co-pilot would need very long arms and legs to fly it from the RHS!

Is it a seaplane of some kind? Seaplane designers do seem to go in for weird layouts!

SD

[cringe]

No, not a seaplane.

[kevmusic]

One of those early Russian jobbies - Ilia Mouramets or something?

[cringe]

Sorry, not Russian. Ilya Muromets (aka Bert Stiles' winnebago) figured in this thread a while ago.

[foxmoth]

I recognise it i am sure but can't get my head round it - German?

[cringe]

Nope, not German either.

[foxmoth]

Glasshouse shape at the front really rings a bell but must be too much red wine this evening to sort it;)

[MReyn24050]

No, not a seaplane.

Does that rule out Flying Boats as well? My thoughts were the Latecoere 521. However if it does rule out Flying Boats how about it being a Farmen F220?

[cringe]

Not a flying boat. Neither a Latecoere nor a Farman. This type was a passenger transport.

[MReyn24050]

Not a flying boat. Neither a Latecoere nor a Farman. This type was a passenger transport.

Cringe
If not a Farmen the Vickers 66 Vimy Commercial perhaps? This one also has an open cockpit I think.
Mel

[cringe]

Mel,

Sorry for the delay. I had connection problems.

It's not a Vimy, nor British. European twin-engined biplane, 15+ passengers.

[jabberwok]

The only two aircraft that I thought might fit the bill were the Farman Goliath and the Junkers 37 but you have ruled these out.

Methinks you have won this time Cringe.

[cringe]

Nah, you'll get there. :) Late '20s, derived from a bomber. Not German.

[jabberwok]

20 questions time then..

Is it French? ;)

[cringe]

Yup, French.

[pigboat]

Liore et Olivier LeO 20?

[jabberwok]

Bleriot 135

[cringe]

Pigboat has it. Loire et Olivier LeO 213 "Rayon d'Or" was derived from the LeO 20 bomber. 13 examples built.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/cringe_/unk38a.jpg

Your go, pigboat.

[pigboat]

If that's a Rayon d'Or, I'd hate to see what the Rayon de Plomb looked like. ;)

I have exhausted my meagre collection of cockpit pics, so please go ahead cringe. :ok:

[jabberwok]

I have exhausted my meagre collection of cockpit pics, so please go ahead cringe.
Argghhh. Not more French aircraft.. :sad:

[brickhistory]

Consolidated B-36 Peacemaker.

[brickhistory]

Six throttles and you said you are on my side of the Atlantic (although I actually am deployed on the FAR side of the ocean), so it was easy.

I have to pass my opportunity, unable to do the needed electronic wizardry using Uncle's computers.

Free for all.....