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nonfrequentflyer_NCL 14th Jun 2015 19:22

Paris Air Show starts tomorrow doesn't it? Wonder if Jet2 announce these new jets they've supposedly bought/buying/leasing this coming week?

Still can't see Jet2 going from Boeing to Airbus.

Artie Fufkin 14th Jun 2015 21:59

The announcement was originally imminent in Februray, then it was Paris, then it was Farnborough, now we're told September. We were told Airbus was a done deal, now we hear Boeing...

Zzzzzzzzz

One particular gnome is reporting an order of 62 A320/21, plus options. Another reporting Jet2 directors spotted talking to Airtanker at Brize Norton, another spotted Boeing executives, another spotted P&W executives.

Zzzzzzzzz

Anyone else heard any good ones? All above are "genuine rumours".

EK77WNCL 14th Jun 2015 22:29

I heard from a reliable source that management were spotted in Ulyanovsk with a view to placing an order for 60 TU204 with 15 options:
40 Tu204 300 to replace the 737 300's and 737 800's
+5 Tu204 300 combi to replace the 737 300 combi
15 Tu 204SM to replace the 757's

It should be firmed at MAKS 2015 in Moscow and production will be ramped up to 5/7 per year to cover Jet2's deliveries and their existing backlog. A spokesperson said "We hope that delivery will begin by Q2 2017 when we will receive our first 3 next generation Tupolev aircraft, around 5 aircraft per year should be delivered thereafter" he went on to say "our final delivery should take place in Q3 2029, coinciding with the retirement of our final 737 800 which will have reached the end of it's viable service life around that time"

Here's hoping, lets see what happens :ok:

chuzwuza 15th Jun 2015 00:08

Are you mental? Or just taking the p...?

EK77WNCL 15th Jun 2015 23:54

Bit of both I think...

ATNotts 16th Jun 2015 07:08


Originally Posted by EK77WNCL (Post 9011726)
I heard from a reliable source that management were spotted in Ulyanovsk with a view to placing an order for 60 TU204 with 15 options:
40 Tu204 300 to replace the 737 300's and 737 800's
+5 Tu204 300 combi to replace the 737 300 combi
15 Tu 204SM to replace the 757's

It should be firmed at MAKS 2015 in Moscow and production will be ramped up to 5/7 per year to cover Jet2's deliveries and their existing backlog. A spokesperson said "We hope that delivery will begin by Q2 2017 when we will receive our first 3 next generation Tupolev aircraft, around 5 aircraft per year should be delivered thereafter" he went on to say "our final delivery should take place in Q3 2029, coinciding with the retirement of our final 737 800 which will have reached the end of it's viable service life around that time"

Here's hoping, lets see what happens :ok:

Like it - but I bet your humour will be lost on a few! Must admit I thought that irony was a genre of humour lost on the younger generation. Thanks for disproving me. :ok:

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 16th Jun 2015 11:10


I heard from a reliable source that management were spotted in Ulyanovsk with a view to placing an order for 60 TU204 with 15 options:
40 Tu204 300 to replace the 737 300's and 737 800's
+5 Tu204 300 combi to replace the 737 300 combi
15 Tu 204SM to replace the 757's

It should be firmed at MAKS 2015 in Moscow and production will be ramped up to 5/7 per year to cover Jet2's deliveries and their existing backlog. A spokesperson said "We hope that delivery will begin by Q2 2017 when we will receive our first 3 next generation Tupolev aircraft, around 5 aircraft per year should be delivered thereafter" he went on to say "our final delivery should take place in Q3 2029, coinciding with the retirement of our final 737 800 which will have reached the end of it's viable service life around that time"

Here's hoping, lets see what happens
Ha ha! Well done. This is probably gospel on some other forums by now.

chuzwuza 16th Jun 2015 17:11

Lets just hope that jet2_738 hasn't read it! Could send him over the edge! Bless him.

pug 16th Jun 2015 17:49

Last I heard was the A330's are still planned for next summer..? No idea about any fleet replacement, heard rumours but would buying new really be feasible given the seasonal nature of operations?

All Airbus fleet would be nice, but would render the spanking new training facility obsolete.. 😉

I reckon more 738's(possibly some 737's too?) to replace the 733's and perhaps eventually the 752's, with the talked of A330's to soak up some of the higher density routes currently operated by the 752's, and of course the special departures to New York.. The only missing piece in the puzzle would then be the QC replacement..?

Facelookbovvered 16th Jun 2015 22:22

Jet2 recently featured in an analysts report on the seasonal nature of the airline business, Jet2 were listed No 1 world wide for seasonality i.e. the difference between their peak program and low season program, that does not support a significant order, with fuel cheaper than Harrogate spring water i expect the old girls will see a further extension to their service life..

chaders 16th Jun 2015 22:24


Originally Posted by Council Van
Months of rumours, and it appears they were just rumours. Full glass cockpit conversion for some 737, 300 and 757, futher 737,800s to pitch up.

Jet2.com pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools

Any reliable source? PPJN were spouting about Airbus only a couple of weeks ago.

EK77WNCL 16th Jun 2015 23:34

Ex EK A332's (Florida/Mexico) and/or ex BA 763's (Sardine can to Magaluf) I'm telling ya Jet2 listen to me!

But I thank you all for your kind words, thought I'd lighten the mood a bit, would be wonderful to see a fleet of Tu204's based in the north of England. It's quite interesting how much of a good fit for 733/752 replacements they are actually, if only it was the Boeing Tu204.

If the glass cockpit thing is true it'll be semi-good news, won't have the same feel in the cockpit but if it keeps the old girls in the air 5-10 more years I'm all for it. I hope all the 757's get done

Just another student 17th Jun 2015 01:30

Glass cockpit upgrades have been on the cards and rumoured for a long time, this IMHO does not change the plans for fleet renewal, the aircraft are just being invested in one last time to make them compliant with EASA regulations. The some -300's and some 757's will see another 6-8 years service.

Remember, it will take time for Boeing or Airbus to deliver aircraft, the existing fleet needs to continue operating during this period. I have no doubt that Jet2 have been in talks with both parties for a long time and will not announce or sign anything, until the deal is 100% in the best long term interests of the airline.

More -800's, for sure, they will keep expanding in a cautious way, as they have done over the last 5 years or so.

A330/'s I have no doubt, will appear for next summer, the demand is there, but long haul is a long way off IMHO.

tonker 18th Jun 2015 08:04

Why would an airline that's still buying second hand 737-800's be about to convert to Airbus? Nonsense

Mr Mac 18th Jun 2015 11:41

Anybody know what's going down to Palma on the 06.40 Friday as I will be on it. When booked it was to be 330 now I presume 767, any ideas which one. Thanks in anticipation.


Regards
Mr Mac

Station_Calling 18th Jun 2015 12:00

Privilege...
 
Bad news Mr Mac - if it's the 06:40 it will be the Privilege 757. The flying that was planned for the A330 seems to be split across a 757 and a 737, so you often see two departures a day to the same place now.

If will be J2 CC, but the FD are Privilege, and the interior is obviously not the J2 fit.

bjones4 18th Jun 2015 12:42

LS831/832 tomorrow are on a Jet2 757, it's easy to pick out the Privilege 757 vs a Jet2 one by the seat maps.

Priviledge has 37 rows with Row 18/19 being the over-wing exit rows.
Jet2 has 42 rows with 33A/33F being adjacent to the aft-wing exits.

Station_Calling 18th Jun 2015 14:40

Nope.
 

LS831/832 tomorrow are on a Jet2 757, it's easy to pick out the Privilege 757 vs a Jet2 one by the seat maps.
Nope. LS831 tomorrow is currently scheduled on E-CISY - not a Jet2.com aircraft.

SC.

bjones4 18th Jun 2015 15:19

Ah apologies, I'd clicked through to Saturdays 832. Hopefully my own flights on 831/832 in September will stay on Jet2 metal!

Mr Mac 18th Jun 2015 21:17

Oh well its only 2.5 hrs with luck! Thanks for the up dates, even with the less than Rosy news.


Regards
Mr Mac

sixfootfive 19th Jun 2015 14:47

Paris announcement
 
So was this just guff or has something gone wrong?

SWBKCB 19th Jun 2015 15:24

Well, Airbus were talking at Paris about having to open a new line for narrow-body production, which doesn't sound like a buyers market for A.320's.

There seems to be a bit of a gap between A.330 and A.330NEO, so there might be an opportunity to get a good deal on the last few Classics so Airbus can maintain the line, but I suspect it was actually all guff to start with (and anybody who knows won't be telling here!).

Facelookbovvered 19th Jun 2015 19:37

I can see why J2 might be motivated to switch from Boeing to Airbus with crew savings from mixed fleet operation 757/737/8 but that would require a fleet plan for A319/320 -A330 doable and its where Titan seem to be heading, but mail is still a nice little earner, are there any converted Airbus narrow body freighters?

There is now a steady supply of mid life 738's coming to the market and whilst not new, neither are the costs that go with them.

If they introduced the A330 then that would be a huge leap on the 757 and you need to use the range LBA -TFS -LBA or AGP wouldn't make sense, you couldn't fill it on the number of occasion you would need to do to cover the costs, its a long-haul aircraft, it hasn't really worked for Air Berlin, buy a couple of 330 on the used market and get it wrong and it could easily destroy J2 profitability, look at the damage that the introduction of brand new 787's have done to Norwegians profitability and they have a feeder network and huge market presence in their home market of Scandinavia.

Titan are a very different business and don't need to fly their aircraft day in day out they don't have to fill aircraft or profitably sell seats , ACIM is their business and they know it well.

So unless there is news to the contrary i don't see it, if they go with the A330 it will please spotters, not accountants or shareholders, if its about driving J2Holidays.com, then they could do a lot worse than buying long haul capacity from other operators or dedicated charters, if its good enough for Tui & Thomas Cook to use 3rd party airlines then it must make sense for J2

SWBKCB 19th Jun 2015 20:33

Both A320 and B738 pax to cargo conversions launched at Paris.

BasilFawlty 19th Jun 2015 21:26

As said before, all these new aicraft order rumours are completely rubbish, it clashes with everything in their business model and what they have done so far in the past 13 years. Period. End of story. ;)

Logprog 19th Jun 2015 23:15

Why is an order of new aircraft rubbish? Why does everyone assume that if jet2 ordered new Airbuses that the 737s would be disposed of? Why does everyone assume a Boeing order would mean Max and not NG? Why does everyone consider the mail a large part of the business?.

Jet2 has evolved and is now being heavily influenced by the holidays division, this is still relatively new and still growing. It may be that one aircraft type is not a good fit for this business (TCX and TOM don't use a single type).

The fact of the matter is Jet2 probably wouldn't be in the position it is today without using pre owned airframes. What is missed is the resource jet2 are putting into looking after these aircraft is considerable. Capital for new airlines is not easy to gain and lease costs for a new or small airline are huge.

I do not know the answers to all of the above questions but an open mind is required not constant droning about how everything is rubbish.

Mr Mac 20th Jun 2015 05:40

B Jones / Sation Calling
Well was a little dubious about the old bird but I have flown in worse and older A/C around the world. we haad seats 1A & 2A, flight was 20min early into Palma and had a good cew with Spanish fightdeck I think. Was a little reminisant of the early 80,s pushing back from Pier C at Manchester in her, as that was my first airport contract, and with the A/C and building it was like old times ! It will be intresting to see if I end up working on the next phase of their expansion at Man.

Regards
Mr Mac

Facelookbovvered 20th Jun 2015 21:28

Logpro
 
Agree 100% you can't rubbish everything, off course mail is now a small part of the business but it there all the same and probably helps underpin profitability in EDI

The wet lease of a A330 was an interesting concept, would have been interesting to see how it panned out? perhaps next year.

pug 20th Jun 2015 22:28

We believe next year will be the year they will wet lease the A330, however I don't think the plan is to ply then on long haul routes. They will be focussed on med destinations where they can max the capacity from MAN..

I believe PM is keen on the Airbus aircraft, but in terms of buying a whole fleet..? Goes against everything they've done so far, and their strategy at the moment seems to be working.

Facelookbovvered 21st Jun 2015 09:42

pug
 
Useful extra capacity so long as they are not plagued by tech issues, who will they lease it from?

pug 21st Jun 2015 12:05

No idea on that front.. I believe that is now ID's job.

Of course nothing is set in stone until an official announcement is made and the aircraft are there on the Tarmac..

Facelookbovvered 22nd Jun 2015 07:18

Where are these pilots leaving to go, i know FR are recruiting heavily, but things can't be that dire in J2 ?

JB007 22nd Jun 2015 09:20


...but things can't be that dire in J2...
Yes, they are!

mockingjay 22nd Jun 2015 11:12

Both BA and U2 are now taking on NTR direct entry pilots (U2 is taking NTR DEC - on a self sponsored basis). LS have not had to resort to NTR so there can't be a shortage of people applying to LS.

mockingjay 22nd Jun 2015 11:55

Thanks for the insight there I had no idea how bad it was. I just wonder for those going to BA, no matter how many roster changes you get surely that can't be worse than commuting forever to work out of LHR. Is is guys who have local home bases or guys who are commuting who are moving on? Maybe they're thinking that if they're going to commute forever, they may as well do it for someone else.

Flying Wild 22nd Jun 2015 12:22


Originally Posted by mockingjay (Post 9020440)
Thanks for the insight there I had no idea how bad it was. I just wonder for those going to BA, no matter how many roster changes you get surely that can't be worse than commuting forever to work out of LHR. Is is guys who have local home bases or guys who are commuting who are moving on? Maybe they're thinking that if they're going to commute forever, they may as well do it for someone else.

Those leaving are from all over the LS network. They're generally leaving for an airline where they can be fairly certain they've got career prospects, no matter how long it takes to move up the seniority ladder.
There's also the better pay & conditions, the confidence that the airline will be around in 5/10/15 years time...

The head in the sand mentality in leeds is rather galling... they need to face up to the fact that despite hating their pilot/cabin crew workforce, without us, the company doesn't work. Even small gestures such as an effective staff travel system would go a long way to regaining goodwill.

galwaypilot 22nd Jun 2015 19:47

Jet2 4
 
Yea I joined LS last year and well... Returned to my previous employer. I hope the mentality (especially in GLA) improves. I know guys who transferred from GLA to other LS bases and they said it was like working for a different company. I think the guys on the line are a great bunch of people and well it was a pleasure flying with them even if it was for only a year and a half. Jet2 has its positives and like everywhere its minuses. I think at the top it needs a new face and new way of thinking and more importantly a new and fairer way of reacting to certain situations. Lowering HR's power would be a good start. Though to be fair that's the way of the world now in most companies!

As for the aircraft order... http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Jet2.com

DjerbaDevil 23rd Jun 2015 18:17


Even small gestures such as an effective staff travel system would go a long way to regaining goodwill.
And payscales to compensate loyalty would go an even longer way and would help to reduce training costs. The company cannot buy loyalty but it can be stimulated and maintained in many imaginative ways without any extra costs and the benefits to the business would be immense.

Narrow Runway 23rd Jun 2015 19:21

Pay scales would surely have to be a cost? They cannot be waved away as anything other than just that.

Whether or not they could be covered by the theoretical lowering of training cost, they're still a cost - and impossible to quantify, as you never know 100% how many people intended to move on at any given point in time.

However, I agree on your sentiment. Many things cost little, but are sometimes just not part of a given culture.

gorter 23rd Jun 2015 19:28

Jet2 4
 
You could always slash the budget of the revolving door that is the human remains department. Their policies push out more pilots than anything else. Pilots get a payrise and more decide to stay. Win win really.


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