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Chesty Morgan 23rd May 2015 08:38


Originally Posted by LNIDA (Post 8986413)
Nope its not bigger than a 733 its longer, from a customer point of view nothing changes apart from a longer queue to check in or to collect your luggage, bigger aircraft 'statement' implies err well a bigger aircraft.

What an odd statement. Using your argument the 757 is not bigger than the 733 either. Nor would be the A330 if that should materialise. Or an A380.

CabinCrewe 23rd May 2015 08:56

I wouldnt be expecting a huge second hand market suddenly from operators max to NG switch that will take 5 years + to be in that scenario imo

SWBKCB 23rd May 2015 08:57

LNIDA
 

Nope its not bigger than a 733 its longer, from a customer point of view nothing changes apart from a longer queue to check in or to collect your luggage, bigger aircraft 'statement' implies err well a bigger aircraft.
So longer isn't bigger? Based on this logic a 757 isn't bigger than a 737 then? Where's my physics' textbook - somebody's re-written the rules...

In the context used, a bigger aircraft means more seats

meaning THOUSANDS more opportunities to jet away to popular hotspots

GrahamK 23rd May 2015 09:05

A 738 is also taller and wider than a 733, so if longer taller and wider isn't bigger, what is??? :confused::confused:

bluepilot 23rd May 2015 09:17

Taller? wider? the cabin cross section is identical in the 737-200 to 900 /757 / 707/ 727. From a passengers point of view the cabin is the same on all of these types, only difference is the length.

HOODED 23rd May 2015 09:22


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 8986806)
I wouldnt be expecting a huge second hand market suddenly from operators max to NG switch that will take 5 years + to be in that scenario imo

As you say not huge but already starting. As more and more NGs come onto the market being replaced by newer NGs MAXs and NEOs then the opportunity to pick up decent used NGs at a good price will present itself. This is something Jet2 have been good at recently.
l would rather they do that and stick with their current, working, business plan than buy/lease new. Owning older properly maintained aircraft with refreshed interiors and plenty of backup seems to work for them.If they do go new then I hope they don't go full fleet and keep the new/leased ac flying year round on the core winter routes.

GrahamK 23rd May 2015 09:44

bluepilot,

Isn't the tail taller and the wingspan wider? :}

Jet2_738 23rd May 2015 11:58


Originally Posted by HOODED (Post 8986830)
As you say not huge but already starting. As more and more NGs come onto the market being replaced by newer NGs MAXs and NEOs then the opportunity to pick up decent used NGs at a good price will present itself. This is something Jet2 have been good at recently.
l would rather they do that and stick with their current, working, business plan than buy/lease new. Owning older properly maintained aircraft with refreshed interiors and plenty of backup seems to work for them.If they do go new then I hope they don't go full fleet and keep the new/leased ac flying year round on the core winter routes.

Totally agree with HOODED - I too think the best way for Jet2 to expand is to keep on doing as they do now, with older, well maintained aircraft, with refreshed interiors, and plenty of backup.
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Today marks the busiest time of the year so far in terms of amount of aircraft in the sky. 48 aircraft were in the skies at once at 12:50 this afternoon, marking the start of a busy summer season with Jet2.

https://sites.google.com/site/images...sky%20edit.png

LNIDA 23rd May 2015 16:25

GrahamK
 
As far as I know passengers are carried inside, not on the roof or wings, so being wider or taller makes no difference to the passenger experience except if the have to evacuate !!!

My comments were intended to be tongue in cheek, but most passenger would not be aware of whether they were sat in(on) a CL or NG I was simply saying that announcing that you are putting bigger aircraft on a route to most passengers that they would expect a larger aircraft not a LWB version.

They never say it's a smaller aircraft if the switch to a 300

The 757 is a completely different aircraft to the 737 and would be seen to bigger, but yes 3/3 seating just the same, let's move on.

Ian Brooks 23rd May 2015 18:44

It would be interesting to have a 100 series parked next to a 900
then you would see the difference

castleford tiger 26th May 2015 08:46

flew back to MAN on GDFM yesterday from Venice.

On time again and 95% full. Service excellent on board.
Check in at Marco polo was a joke with one desk open for each of the 3 flights.
We waiting until check in opened 90 mins before flight !! and then with one desk it was slow.
Will be sending e mail to them today.
Aircraft side and crew both good.

Jet2_738 26th May 2015 09:32

Castleford, it's just a shame the ground handlers let you down. If you checked the status page, Status | Jet2.com, over the weekend and Monday, Ground Handlers/Agents at VCE were going on strike - this might explain your bad experience at check in (only 90mins before). :ok:

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 28th May 2015 12:44

EXS51/LS51 (G-LSAA) seemed to be circling Newcastle today before landing from Manchester.

Took off, went out over Seaton, out over North Sea then back in to Newcastle.

Sent in as spare plane or test flight?

spottilludrop 28th May 2015 14:12

I notice jet 2 have decided to use privilege aircraft again this year...that should boost on time departure figures no end .....lol

LiamNCL 28th May 2015 16:37


Originally Posted by nonfrequentflyer_NCL (Post 8992445)
EXS51/LS51 (G-LSAA) seemed to be circling Newcastle today before landing from Manchester.

Took off, went out over Seaton, out over North Sea then back in to Newcastle.

Sent in as spare plane or test flight?

Test flight , flew over Newcastle the other day out to the north sea then flew back over at 14,000 ft back to MAN , Seems all its done the last week is test flights from MAN to MAN or EMA/NCL

Jet2_738 28th May 2015 17:17


I notice jet 2 have decided to use privilege aircraft again this year
Jet2 have had Privilege Style 757-200 EC-ISY since the start of the month. However, EC-ISY appears to have gone tech in MAN, as EC-HDS was drafted in this morning to take the LS891 service from MAN. Good Old Privilege Style... :ok:

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We have 2 positioning flights tonight:

G-CELS 733 - Based ALC, returning from PMI to ALC.

G-LSAN 752WL - Based MAN, Positioning GLA, reason unknown.

Anyone any ideas on G-LSAN positioning to GLA? :ok:

taxi_driver 28th May 2015 19:41

This little snippet appeared in the Evening Standard a few weeks back, any opinions on what it means or where it might lead?


Market Report: Shares tumble as record highs give way to nerves before US Fed meeting - Analysis & Features - Business - London Evening Standard


Shares of Dart Group, owner of the Jet2 airline and package tours group, have been soaring in the past few months. Brokers are whispering that a new shareholder might be the cause. Especially as itís Richard Bernsteinís activist group Crystal Amber.
The question is, what has Bernstein, currently laying siege to Pinewood Studiosí Michael Grade, got up his sleeve for Dart? Some in the market are talking of a potential spin-off of Dartís haulage business. But thatís probably wide of the mark.
Punters in Jet2ís northern heartlands are about to start getting flusher and when compared with the likes of easyJet, Dartís accounting policies are cautious in the extreme: in other words, itís got more cash in it than the market had cottoned on to.

GLAinsider 28th May 2015 21:23

G-LSAN
 
G-LSAN is positioning into MAN from TFS in the morning. Not sure how she got there from GLA though! Seems odd, but the company is now acting tactically to avoid EU261 claims at all costs, so maybe they operated a rescue flight on AN to TFS but used a different a/c to rescue the inbound PAX to avoid claims. EU261 is now a MASSIVE issue for EXS after recent rulings.

Flying Wild 28th May 2015 21:49


Originally Posted by LiamNCL (Post 8992706)
Test flight , flew over Newcastle the other day out to the north sea then flew back over at 14,000 ft back to MAN , Seems all its done the last week is test flights from MAN to MAN or EMA/NCL

Has had major engineering work done, so having a thorough beat up prior to return to service.

Jet2_738 28th May 2015 23:30

G-LSAN is currently en route as LS155 from GLA to TFS. Unsure as to why/what a/c has gone tech, and why it has been left so long. The service is due into TFS approx 5 hours late.

Earlier, I noticed that ALC based airspare, G-GDFO was en route to TFS as EXS048A, to pick up the return flight as LS156. The Spanish base strategy has immensely reduced delays, by at least 3-4 hours on the LS156 sector tonight, and is due into GLA about 1.5 hours late. As you said, EU261... :ugh:

LiamNCL 29th May 2015 05:27

Been a few 757s covering 738s , G-LSAH Done a 5 hour late NCL-TFS few days ago , Would of thought there would be a 737 lying around quicker than a 757 ?

deltahotel9 29th May 2015 07:37

Surely the point of having 757s as the spare aircraft is they can cover anything as they are the biggest in the fleet, there aren't currently any spare 738s anyway other than the newly acquired one which I don't believe is in service yet?

garry8g 29th May 2015 08:11

It looks like it was GDFV that went tech in Glasgow yesterday afternoon.
The Titan A320 was sitting in Glasgow from 15:00 onwards, but this is where the Titan leased plane is not really a flexible resource.
Obviously the Jet2 flight crew due to go to TFS, wouldn't have been able to use the A320, however if there had been 6 Jet2 737-800 a/c based here, they could have utilised the a/c that had just come in from Faro.

Jet2_738 29th May 2015 10:25

Good to see G-LSAA back in commercial service today, after heavy maintenance and rigorous testing over the past few days. She operated service LS879/LS880 MAN-ALC-MAN, and is due into MAN, in true Jet2 fashion, 20 mins early.

Meanwhile, her sister G-LSAB operating service LS271 to ALC has had a 'disruptive passenger' divert to TLS, though is back on her way to ALC, due to land at 13:00CEST. :ok:

G-GDFO was last nights back up for G-GDFV, and operated LS156 from TFS - GLA. She is still currently up in GLA, and with 6 flights operating from GLA this afternoon, we should see her back in the air, though G-GDFV is all good and is operating today's LS134 service from AGP :ok:

GLAinsider 29th May 2015 10:41


G-LSAN is currently en route as LS155 from GLA to TFS. Unsure as to why/what a/c has gone tech, and why it has been left so long. The service is due into TFS approx 5 hours late.

Earlier, I noticed that ALC based airspare, G-GDFO was en route to TFS as EXS048A, to pick up the return flight as LS156. The Spanish base strategy has immensely reduced delays, by at least 3-4 hours on the LS156 sector tonight, and is due into GLA about 1.5 hours late. As you said, EU261...
Having the airspare in ALC is a great policy for EXS, however the plan is slightly flawed as it is only 148Y. In the Summer season most services will be operating full and a large proportion of the fleet is 189Y or 235Y. So there are frequently going to around 40 to 80+ PAX leftover who will have to wait for the aircraft operating the original service outbound from the UK or be returned on other carriers.

Jet2_738 29th May 2015 10:54


Originally Posted by GLAinsider (Post 8993444)
Having the airspare in ALC is a great policy for EXS, however the plan is slightly flawed as it is only 148Y. In the Summer season most services will be operating full and a large proportion of the fleet is 189Y or 235Y. So there are frequently going to around 40 to 80+ PAX leftover who will have to wait for the aircraft operating the original service outbound from the UK or be returned on other carriers.

Yeah, that's the only problem. I am not sure what will be based in ALC in the high summer, but until last night, LS has had 2 733's in ALC, G-CELS, and G-GDFO . Both of these still do operate scheduled services such as ALC-LBA-ALC, but of course are strategically placed for back up of any aircraft. Of course, sending two 737-300's down to the CI to cover a 752 isn't exactly fuel efficient, but may cost them a lot less than that of 235 EU261 claims...

spottilludrop 29th May 2015 15:51

Given the reported dreadfull condition AA was found to be to be in during its maintenance im surprised the delays were not even longer getting it back into ship shape order

JB007 29th May 2015 17:03

I used to carry Rosary Beads flying that thing!!!!

spottilludrop 29th May 2015 17:23

The bean counters can save pennies short term farming maintenance out the cheapest bider but long term it bites you on the arse and the price has to paid to put things right

Johnny [email protected] Pants 29th May 2015 18:09


Meanwhile, her sister G-LSAB operating service LS271 to ALC has had a medical divert to TLS, though is back on her way to ALC, due to land at 13:00CEST.
No, the divert into TLS was to dump off a disruptive passenger actually:D:ok::D:ok: Jet2 Promise Zero Tolerance After Incident On Leeds Bradford Flight | Local | News - Pulse 1


Given the reported dreadfull condition AA was found to be to be in during its maintenance im surprised the delays were not even longer getting it back into ship shape order
Evidence??? Given the total foul up by Monarch Engineering:{ it's no real surprise it was laid up for longer than anticipated:ugh:

JB007 29th May 2015 18:35

Our infamous Jet2 Groupy got his facts wrong?!? Shock! :mad:

Jet2_738 29th May 2015 18:38


From Jet2's Website: Jet2.com Takes Zero Tolerance Stance | Jet2.com

Just today, Friday 29th May, Jet2.com has given a lifetime ban to a male, Grant Marshall on a flight to Alicante from Leeds Bradford Airport. The individual was on one of a party of 14 who was asked on numerous times to stop consuming illicit alcohol, using intimidating language and threatening behaviour.
“Due to his unacceptable behaviour onboard, the pilot diverted the flight to Toulouse where the disruptive passenger was handed over to the police authorities and the remaining travelers continued onto Alicante. As well as Grant Marshall delaying holidaymakers, he could now be facing prosecution for his behaviour and could be found liable for the costs of the divert, which will run into thousands of pounds.”
Following this incident, Jet2.com has already received a number of calls from passengers on-board the flight thanking and congratulating the airline on taking this stance.


As Johnny [email protected] Pants correctly said, the divert (G-LSAB) was due to a passenger behavioural issue. Jet2's official statement, and the above can be found here. :ok:

lfc84 29th May 2015 18:55

Hahah seemingly Jet2_738 really change the post to try to disguise the fact that the poster got it wrong !! How shallow. It's only a forum...Hahaha

lagerlout 29th May 2015 20:02

Oh dear someone is going to wake up in France with the mother of all hangovers!!!

Good on Jet2 for taking this approach to such behaviour!

Check Mags On 30th May 2015 08:21

Spottillyoudrop
 
The repair was done by Monarch, so hardly farmed out to the cheapest bidder, it did not take them that long, until they (Monarch) had to rectify their own mistake. Your relative is not as well informed as he thinks.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 30th May 2015 11:24

An excellent reputation indeed, but they made an absolute howler whilst completing the required jobs in this one.

I have no knowledge of any corrosion, he might well be correct, but the delay was not attributable to that, it was down to the clanger made by the maintenance team.

Check Mags On 30th May 2015 11:44

Monarch
 
Monarch did indeed do a magnificent repair of the aircraft. But it was at this point they made a massive mistake. It was this that caused the delay.
I'm sorry Spot, but you are just not aware of all the facts.

Jet2_738 30th May 2015 12:20

https://sites.google.com/site/imageshr2/home/G-LSAD.png

Anyone any ideas as to why G-LSAD en route from LBA to FAO turned back into MAN before continuing its journey? G-LSAI operated LS875 from MAN to FAO, so I assume reason was not to pick up pax.

chuzwuza 30th May 2015 13:00

Medical divert.

spottilludrop 30th May 2015 13:55

Acccording to my source there was never any chance of the aircraft meeting its original deadline due to the state it was discovered to be in and clearly unlike past maintenance providers monarch were not prepared to cut corners ....


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