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LNIDA 23rd Jun 2015 22:48

Added to which Norwegian have a net requirement of 350+ pilots for the 738 fleet in 2016 alone + retirements and people moving to the 787 plus 4 new 787-9 airframes next year.

New Uk base in BHX & either MAN/EDI with LGW becoming a major training base requiring TRI/TRE pay rates should jump in 2016/7 :ok::ok:

I can't see 70% contracts, half pay in training,no crew food, lack of staff travel being sustainable, if Ryanair have had to up their game on T&C's and they have, then Jet2 are deluding themselves if they think they have a USP in the employment market, they do of course, its called their HR department, time PM went in there and sacked the lot of them.

taxi_driver 23rd Jun 2015 22:57

Alot of management confuse 'Cost' and 'Value'.

Simple and modest improvements in terms and conditions should be viewed as an investment in a business of J2's size. It is now in the billion pound turnover area, seemingly with some growing up to do.

Few seem to be moaning about money (more is always welcome though), it's more about rostering issues, health care, staff travel and unpleasant employee relations.

Staff turnover fuels more staff turnover, as more leave rosters become more fragile, leading to more leaving. Some imagination and fresh thinking is required to break the cycle.

LNIDA 24th Jun 2015 06:50

In the UK the revolving door for 737 drivers is fairly limited to FR, DY/ & J2 the people who join J2 are in the main doing so to be closer to where they live, the same with the many Captains joining FR this year, DY/ have not recruited in 2015 and for now can only offer LGW and even that is very unlikely for new starters in either seat.

People leaving any of the above for BA is a + career move, anything else is shuffling the cards

chinapattern 24th Jun 2015 13:52


Originally Posted by LNIDA (Post 9022247)
New Uk base in BHX & either MAN/EDI with LGW becoming a major training base requiring TRI/TRE pay rates should jump in 2016/7 :ok::ok:.

Is the BHX base happening then?

GLAinsider 25th Jun 2015 09:56

I think LNIDA was talking about Norwegian.

Flying Wild 26th Jun 2015 01:24


Originally Posted by Jet2_320 (Post 9024207)
I think LNIDA was, Jet2 wouldn't have the serviceable aircraft and crew to do it.

The aircrafts are going AOG on a daily basis. The crews have been well and truly pissed off over the last few years with this summer reaching new lows with regards to rostering and roster disruption, as a result the 75 guys are now refusing to work days offs any longer. Would be surprised if the 73 guys won't follow suit very shortly. And the summer has only started...

Given that most of the 73 guys are bashing the 100 in 28 days, combined with only two days off between runs of duty, there's not much in the way of days off to be bought...

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 26th Jun 2015 06:56


The aircrafts are going AOG on a daily basis. The crews have been well and truly pissed off over the last few years with this summer reaching new lows with regards to rostering and roster disruption, as a result the 75 guys are now refusing to work days offs any longer. Would be surprised if the 73 guys won't follow suit very shortly. And the summer has only started...
Sounds like my line of work (emergency ambulance service). Flogged to the bone.

BTW - what is AOG?

HOODED 26th Jun 2015 07:10


Originally Posted by nonfrequentflyer_NCL (Post 9024838)
Sounds like my line of work (emergency ambulance service). Flogged to the bone.

BTW - what is AOG?

AOG= Aircraft on ground. Or if you prefer broken, not fit for flight. Ominous that this seems to occur more than usual when crews are working their socks off.....

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 26th Jun 2015 07:17

Hooded - thank you. :ok:

Yet again, sounds like us lads and our Ambulances, "Control - our ambo has developed a fault - need to take it off the road", after 4 days of 14 hour shifts and one break per shift........

Narrow Runway 26th Jun 2015 09:07

Really? You do shifts like that? Welcome to our world!!

Fortunately for us, rarely do we come across life threatening situations daily. Unlike an Ambulance team.

Keep up the good work. I mean it.

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 26th Jun 2015 13:11


Originally Posted by Narrow Runway (Post 9024956)
Really? You do shifts like that? Welcome to our world!!

Fortunately for us, rarely do we come across life threatening situations daily. Unlike an Ambulance team.

Keep up the good work. I mean it.

Hello Narrow Runway

Thanks for the kind comments and yes we do get days like that. People don't see/think we do but it happens.

Anyway back to planes

SCANDIC 26th Jun 2015 19:41

Are Jet2 not interested in getting any second hand 767's

itsnotwhoyouknow 26th Jun 2015 20:03

As is always the way with jet2. There is a cost implication. I.e. There is a cost to do it. Nothing works here unless it's for peanuts or free. The crews who do work are the peanut type. Cabin get no sales bonus now really. Flight getting sick of the rubbish. The 757 are short of crew so doubt they could fly further afield on a 767. As with ppjn they are onto bigger better things such as 707 ha ha.

mockingjay 27th Jun 2015 11:34

Not Jet2.com and Jet2Holidays' finest moment. Live on SKY News are survivors saying that the company have stated none of their customers were affected where this is not the case. They are saying they've had no support whatsoever.

Big Tudor 27th Jun 2015 12:53


Originally Posted by mockingjay (Post 9026234)
Live on SKY News are survivors saying that the company have stated none of their customers were affected where this is not the case.


We can confirm that we have no Jet2holidays customers staying in the affected hotels.
Same quote, different interpretations.

G-LSAB looks like it is heading towards Tunisia on a positioning flight number so not sure that is considered 'no support whatsoever'.

DjerbaDevil 27th Jun 2015 13:12

From the JET2 web site:


Latest Flight Information:

Tunisia Information

We will be bringing back those Jet2holidays and Jet2.com customers, who want to return home, today. Up to four aircraft will be arriving at Enfhida Airport this afternoon to repatriate those customers free of charge. Further details will be provided shortly.

We are offering customers departing on or before 24th July 2015 the option to cancel free or change their booking without amendment fees. We will be continuously reviewing our policy on this as more information becomes available.

We can confirm that we have no reports of injuries or fatalities among Jet2.com or Jet2holidays customers.

We would like to extend our sincere condolences to the families and friends of those affected by this appalling incident in Tunisia.

Our customersí safety remains our number one priority and we are continuing to liaise closely with the relevant UK and local authorities.

- See more at: Status | Jet2.com

Jamie2k9 27th Jun 2015 13:44

Jet 320

All operators are only doing it for PR, TOM may be quick off the mark but its PR saving as well.

Notice all operators are only allowing you to cancel hoildays for a month, ie unless the Goverment issue a no travel alert, you are going as it will hit our profits otherwise to refund and relocate you.....

Im have not seen Sky News but I expect its a handful of people in the grand scheme of things. TOM have yet to send people to hospitals to visit injure as well. The people on the news have little to be moaning about, compared to many others who have lost family......just running their mouths off on camera.

No operator will come off overly well.

HH6702 27th Jun 2015 14:02

Well said Jamie

Trossie 27th Jun 2015 14:04


Hope passengers will remember next time they book a holiday how Thomson reacted and how Jet2 reacted. I know with who I'll book next!!
Just remind me how many Jet2 holidaymakers were staying in the affected hotels? Different circumstances require different actions. It would be wrong for any tour operator to be clogging up the system trying to rush their holidaymakers back when people who have been directly affected should be getting 'un clogged up' priority. It would seem reasonable that Thomson had to react very quickly as some of their holidaymakers were directly affected.

It might appear that 'Jet2_320' is one of these miserable 'chips on shoulders' people. How many tour companies would be happy to carry grumpy unreasonable gob-sh1ites like him, other than to take his money?

Big Tudor 27th Jun 2015 15:16


Originally Posted by Jet2_320 (Post 9026317)
Jet2 updating the website with regards to the horrible incident in Tunisia is just an immediate reaction to the very negative publicity at Sky News. To little to late.

Hope passengers will remember next time they book a holiday how Thomson reacted and how Jet2 reacted. I know with who I'll book next!!

Most of your comments regarding Jet2 have varied between plain wrong and distinctly puerile. Nice to see you're maintaining your own low standards. If you have an axe to grind with your employer then take it up with them rather than playing the keyboard warrior.

pug 27th Jun 2015 15:34

Agree with the above. There were some departments working out of hours last night to reassure customers over the phone and offer advice, alongside various departments that are already established to provide 24 hour direct contact for customers overseas..

Logistically it's not exactly going to be easy to just send enough aircraft and crews straight away to rescue passengers who understandably just want to get out of there. But it appears that is what's happening..

Jet2_738 27th Jun 2015 17:14


Jet2_320: Jet2 updating the website with regards to the horrible incident in Tunisia is just an immediate reaction to the very negative publicity at Sky News. To little to late.
The quote on the Jet2 website was there yesterday, on the same page. It has been up since the first news broke of the attack, so not an 'immediate reaction' to the negative publicity on Sky news. What happened in Tunisia is no fault of any of the tour operators.

What is their responsibility, is allowing people to cancel/change their upcoming holidays, and most importantly, get them home. Jet2 have sent 3 charter flights down to pick up stranded passengers in NBE, with a fourth on standby. Tomorrow, another aircraft is due to depart from MAN at 6:45am. Such times of crisis are a massive struggle for all tour operators affected. It will certainly lead to a dint in profits for Jet2, but they're doing everything they can to get people back home. As pug said, sending aircraft and crews down straight away is nothing short of a logistical nightmare. :ok:

buzz boy 27th Jun 2015 19:49

Jet2_320
 
I would treat the posts from Jet2_320 with the contempt they deserve. This is just another alias of a long time portrayer of bile, most of his previous aliases have been banned, i suspect this one will not last that long.

Trossie 27th Jun 2015 20:32


If you have an axe to grind with your employer then take it up with them...
Does anyone really think that he has ever worked for Jet2? Posts like this anywhere are usually from some twisted little 'wannabe' who is too incompetent for the job, whoever the employer. But hey, they can hide behind their keyboards...!

(Just look at that misguided username for starters!)

take-off 28th Jun 2015 01:07

In regards to Tunisia , I think going by comments on Facebook , and the likes of those complaining, it is understandable they don't want to be there, but surely even the most stupid must realise , you can't just up and send a jets out to anywhere on a whim , a little respect too , to the poor souls that lost their lives , wouldn't go a miss, but I suppose this just shows what sort of society we live in , "it's all about meeeee!!!!" You would hope that something like this doesn't happen to them....... On a side not those complaining about jet2 not reacting fast enough , they had info on their home page before Thomas Cook , albeit behind Thomson but as I think Riu are part of Tui , would explain why Thomson and first choice are more involved ...

God bless those that have died , and safe passage home for their fellow family and friends ..


Just as a note I have stayed in said hotel a few years ago , so while not directly affected , it does make you think . Good night all .

GLAinsider 28th Jun 2015 09:45

The Boeing 767 (CS-TFT) that has been emergency leased from Euro Atlantic is a direct result of LS having to operate rescue flights to Tunisia. It has cost a lot. Interesting that even though it has fifty seats more than the B752s in the fleet, it is not operating the rescue flights. Do LS want to make sure their liveries are visible on the rescue flights?

DjerbaDevil 28th Jun 2015 10:11


The Boeing 767 (CS-TFT) that has been emergency leased from Euro Atlantic is a direct result of LS having to operate rescue flights to Tunisia. It has cost a lot. Interesting that even though it has fifty seats more than the B752s in the fleet, it is not operating the rescue flights. Do LS want to make sure their liveries are visible on the rescue flights?
What a snide remark and what lack of empathy! Obviously anyone wanting to return from Tunisia, after such dramatic and deadly circumstances, would expect to be welcomed on board by JET2 crews and flown back in JET2 aircraft to feel reassured.

From the JET2 web site:


Tunisia Information (28.06.15 10.00)
Jet2.com and Jet2holidays will now be cancelling all flights and holidays to Tunisia up to and including 5th July 2015. Jet2holidays customers will be offered a full refund or the option to change their booking without an amendment fee. Jet2.com customers will be given a full refund.

In addition, those customers with Jet2holidays booked up to and including 31st July 2015 will also be allowed to change their booking without an amendment fee.

Two flights arrived back in the UK from Tunisia yesterday, bringing back 313 Jet2holidays and Jet2.com customers. Today we have 336 confirmed passengers returning home to Glasgow and Manchester Airports on two aircraft. A third aircraft is also available to repatriate our remaining passengers who may want to return home. We also have additional aircraft and crew on standby as required.

Customers in Tunisia wishing to return to the UK today should please call +44 113 387 9501.

Customers in Tunisia are being contacted via text message, mobile and email to update them regarding travel details.

We can confirm that we have no reports of injuries or fatalities among Jet2.com or Jet2holidays customers.

We would like to extend our sincere condolences to the families and friends of those affected by this appalling incident in Tunisia.

GLAinsider 28th Jun 2015 12:00


Originally Posted by Jet2_320
The B767 wet lease is a combination of meanly lots of tech aircraft last Friday (around 7 at one point) and the two extra Tunisia flights.

Is this just coincidence or is the age of the fleet really becoming a problem now?

Jet2_738 28th Jun 2015 15:31

Tunisia Information

New Tunisia Information Page. The page details that;
  • A third aircraft is on standby at NBE
  • Jet2 are carrying passengers home from other tour operators
  • The CEO and 5 other senior members are in Tunisia now
  • Two additional aircraft and crew are on standby in the UK currently, if required

Good to see that the top dogs have flown down there, and they'll be visiting hotels in affected areas :ok:

Jet2_320 28th Jun 2015 15:59

I was quick to criticise them when in the initial aftermath of the Tunisia incident Jet2 were legging almost a day behind Thomson with their reaction, also Iíve made it well clear on here how I feel we get treated by their management style.

So I guess itís only fair to say well done for going out there and speaking to the customers!! I am positively surprised.

Twiglet1 28th Jun 2015 16:50

Jet2 4
 
Jet2-320
So next time just STFU perhaps?
Not the time to make anti employer comments let alone without any knowledge.
If you are a Nigel it does your profession no credit at all

stab3.5up 28th Jun 2015 20:40

If jet2 had not sent there own planes the press would have had field day.

Global_Global 29th Jun 2015 09:46

Don't know what Jet2-320 his problem is but even by internet standards he is a one sided negative [email protected]@rd with a big chip on his shoulders.. :yuk:

Trossie 29th Jun 2015 10:00

(Did a quick check and it appears that Jet2 fly Boeings. What's this 'Jet2_320' [email protected]?!!)

GLAinsider 29th Jun 2015 17:38


Originally Posted by stab3.5up
If jet2 had not sent there own planes the press would have had field day.

That was exactly my point. They could have had 50 extra seats on the ground in Tunisia if it wasn't for this consideration.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 30th Jun 2015 09:21


That was exactly my point. They could have had 50 extra seats on the ground in Tunisia if it wasn't for this consideration.
But we didn't need all those extra seats, there weren't enough busses to bring the passengers to the airport to fill the seats. We even had an aeroplane leave NBE and go to night stop in MLA due to insufficient busses which then repositioned in the next morning when the busses were available.

Never assume anything.

Bob de Bildere 30th Jun 2015 13:08

Reading the various comments about Tunisia and how Jet2 reacted have brought me out of PPRuNe retirement, after nearly 10 years.

We subbed in and used our own a/c in Tunisia, because we wanted to make sure our customers, at a distressing time, were cared for by our own pilots & own cabin crew. Nothing to do with PR, it was just about care & welfare.

TUI were quick to launch rescue flights because this tragic incident took place at a TUI exclusive hotel and almost immediately after it occurred, the Belgian Government advised against all travel to Tunisia (something the UK Government has yet to do and probably will not), which meant that Jetairfly a/c were launched from Belgium straight away and Thomson followed shortly after, once it became apparent there were fatalities and they were very likely to be TUI customers.

TCX had aircraft in Tunisia Saturday, that were scheduled anyway.

Our first scheduled flights, were due on Sunday

At 0900 Saturday, COBRA met and decided not to alter the UK FCO travel advice for Tunisia. We then decided to launch our 3 rescue flights and bring back any Jet2 customers (plus some TUI/TC/Monarch, free of charge), who wanted to come home and the first two arrived back in LBA & MAN Saturday night.

Just thought it right to set the record straight.

My thoughts are with the friends & relatives of the victims and those at TUI, who have had to deal with this first hand.

no sponsor 1st Jul 2015 13:29

Jet2 the caring airline? What a load of codswallop.

snowman 1 1st Jul 2015 13:51

jet2
 
no sponcer
more detail please on your above post?
I have used jet2 many times and never had a problem with them.
sm1

JB007 1st Jul 2015 21:43

Working for them is a different experience!

2 more resignations this week on the B757 fleet!


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