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Chesty Morgan 3rd Sep 2015 06:24

Source?......

sixfootfive 3rd Sep 2015 06:47

Flight Global

CaptainDoony 3rd Sep 2015 07:05

A surprising move.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...7-800s-416346/

simonwa 3rd Sep 2015 07:11

Also now announced on Jet2 website:
Annual General Meeting Statement 2015 | Jet2.com

GLAinsider 3rd Sep 2015 08:52

Is the NG maximum 189Y or bigger?

737aviator 3rd Sep 2015 09:46

189 on the 800, 220 on the 900 due to addition of another emergency exit.

GLAinsider 3rd Sep 2015 10:09

Company announcement mentions "improved and stylish new cabin interior". I really hope someone has taken note of the lovely relaxed feeling inside the all light grey G-POWM that has been on lease from Titan. At a time when the company is focused on reducing stressful situations in the cabin, it is high time the garish, bright red and dark grey interiors were dropped from all Jet a/c and certainly not repeated in any new a/c purchased.

iaveight 3rd Sep 2015 10:12

Big news for Jet2
 
Order confirmed with Boeing for new 737-8 .........

ETOPS 3rd Sep 2015 13:23

Interesting statement from PM that this new order is for both replacement and expansion. They operate 17 x B738 at the moment so will have 10 extra frames available if only those are replaced. However some of the 733 fleet are approaching 30 years old so it may be a "mix and match" situation - an increase in seats either way...

SWBKCB 3rd Sep 2015 16:32

Would expect they would be replacing the 733's and 757's where they can and standardising on the 738 as much as possible?

Presumably as end of the line 738's before the 737MAX kicks in, LS will have got a canny deal?

Jet2_738 3rd Sep 2015 16:49


Originally Posted by GLAinsider (Post 9104105)
Company announcement mentions "improved and stylish new cabin interior". I really hope someone has taken note of the lovely relaxed feeling inside the all light grey G-POWM that has been on lease from Titan. At a time when the company is focused on reducing stressful situations in the cabin, it is high time the garish, bright red and dark grey interiors were dropped from all Jet a/c and certainly not repeated in any new a/c purchased.

The new aircraft will feature the new Boeing Sky Interior, with the new LED mood lighting and more spacious overhead bins, toilets etc. As far as I'm aware, the seats will remain the same, as Jet2 were the primary inverters into Acro seating ltd. and still hold a significant stake in the business. The seats however might well change, but the provider will be the same company, with the idea of the slimline, lightweight seats, which Jet2 have boasted as one of their USP's. As for the colours... :ok:


Presumably as end of the line 738's before the 737MAX kicks in, LS will have got a canny deal?
I think the aim is to replace the 733's first (G-CEL* fleet mainly), the 752's later. Of course they have the likes of G-LSAK which is only 18 year old, but still have the likes of G-LSAA, nearing her 30's too.

In terms of the deal, the report states that;


"At current list prices, the total value of this transaction is approximately $2.6 billion though the Company has negotiated significant discounts from the list price."
Make of that what you will... :ok:

EK77WNCL 3rd Sep 2015 22:26

Are they, Council Van? That's very positive news I'm happy now :)

Skipness One Echo 3rd Sep 2015 23:27

Who certified a new cockpit for the 757? Anyone else upgrading?

Station_Calling 4th Sep 2015 01:46


Who certified a new cockpit for the 757? Anyone else upgrading?
Innovative Solutions & Support did. Innovative Solutions & Support | Platforms and Systems

EPRman 4th Sep 2015 06:58

And Rockwell Collins.

My airline looked at the upgrade but there are no UK based simulators that are configurable so that was the end of that apparently.

GLAinsider 4th Sep 2015 10:46

Who was crewing G-LSAB last night? Looked like a quiet trip!

Leeds Spotter 4th Sep 2015 11:53

The purchase of 27 new aircraft is a huge change in Jet2 business plan. Understand 11 will be a straight replacement for leased aircraft, some to replace old aircraft and a few additions for expansion.
As a shareholder will be interested to see what winter 2107 plans will be, you cant have new aircraft sitting on the apron.
Breakdown seems to be 40% next 12 months balance following year.
With Ryaanir predicting air fares to drop 8% in the next 6 months interesting times.

Chesty Morgan 4th Sep 2015 12:13

You'll be waiting a long time ;)

GLAinsider 4th Sep 2015 12:14

I keep saying LS need to get in on the Scandinavian charter market in the Winter.

HeartyMeatballs 4th Sep 2015 15:47

So what are they going to do in the winter? Sitting around doing nothing when your plane is paid for or the occasional Royal Mail flight keep you going but these aircraft will be able to do neither. It's not feasible to have them all sat on the deck with massive finance payments to be made. Moving into non holiday routes maybe or an increase of winter programs?

HH6702 4th Sep 2015 16:33

They have a summer fleet at the minute of around 50? Aircraft?

How many aircraft fly during a normal day in January/February?
At least 30 I would say so as long as they are making 1 daily flight then it's making some money.

You may find that the paid aircraft sit locked up for the winter and they only use the new lease ones.

I'm guessing there will be slightly more winter flying but not much.
They can't do other business routes as they can't carry them on in the summer time unless this changes ?

They may lease the aircraft out in winter to other tour operators

BasilFawlty 4th Sep 2015 20:54

30?!?! During the past winters that numbers weren't even reached on the busiest days. On the most quiet days it's not uncommon that LBA-AMS-LBA and LBA-DUS-LBA are the ONLY passenger flights of the day in the WHOLE Jet2 network, plus the Royal Mail flights in the evening.

GLAinsider 4th Sep 2015 21:36

Although the company is dramatically "top heavy" with staff (by that I mean the day to day operation runs on a shoestring but LFFH and The Mint are chocablock with people who just seem to generate red-tape) there does not seem to be anyone actually actively looking for business to maximise the utilisation of the fleet (in the Winter). Someone at the top needs to take a serious step back and look at the bigger picture here. A/c only earn money when they are in the air, and sadly, most of the time ours aren't :-( Boeing may have given a massive discount on 27 B738s but that is no excuse not to kick ass and make money.

sixfootfive 4th Sep 2015 22:31

I spent 8 years in LFFH. My bit of it certainly wasn't overmanned. Rather the contrary actually......

Ian Brooks 4th Sep 2015 23:11

BasilFalty
I take it you just mean Leeds as there are flights ex Manchester every day

Ian

BasilFawlty 4th Sep 2015 23:24

No I don't. Over the past winters there have been lots of Tuesdays and Wednesdays without a single passenger flight from MAN, BFS, BLK, EMA, EDI, and GLA.

Ian Brooks 5th Sep 2015 00:01

I don`t think that is right for MAN but will have a look tomorrow sorry I
mean later today

BasilFawlty 5th Sep 2015 00:31

I just checked the whole network for November - mid-December:

BFS:
Tuesdays: 0 flights (there's one to TFS which ends on November 17th and doesn't restart until late December)
Wednesdays: 0 flights (there's one to ACE which ends on November 18th and doesn't restart until mid February)

EMA:
Tuesdays: 1 flight: TFS
Wednesdays: 0 flights

EDI:
Tuesdays: 0 flights
Wednesdays: 0 flights

GLA:
Tuesdays: 1 flight: TFS (there's also one to ALC which ends on November 10th and doesn't restart until late December)
Wednesdays: 0 flights

LBA:
Tuesdays: 3 flights: AMS, DUS, TFS (there's also one to ALC which ends on November 10th and doesn't restart until April)
Wednesdays: 2 flights: AMS, DUS

MAN:
Tuesdays: 1 flight: TFS
Wednesdays: 0 flights

NCL:
Tuesdays: 1 flight: TFS
Wednesdays: 0 flights

So, as I said LBA has been and will still be the only base with passenger flights every day of the week during the whole winter season. And it has been like this for many years in a row now. ;)

Ofcourse BFS, EDI and NCL will still have their Royal Mail flights (as well as EMA, but that's only a destination, no mail aircraft are based there), but we were only discussing passenger flights now.

anothertyke 5th Sep 2015 13:18

OK there's two days a week when it's more or less zero. But let's take a Friday in November as a representative non midweek winter day--- noting this is before the skiing season starts. What's the aircraft requirement to deliver that? I started working it out before getting fed up with red and yellow screens.

But I do agree with those who say this is a significant change in the business model and cost base. They will want to have enough of a baseload to be running those 27 around the year, allowing for a maintenance programme.

Leeds Spotter 5th Sep 2015 15:44

I understand 11 of the new planes will just replace those on lease at the moment.
Three planes are to be retired this winter, so this takes care of all the aircraft Boeing will deliver up to the end of 2017.
I am sure will can see more retirements and with a growth forecast of 5% possible over the next three years, 10 will be for growth and another 4 retirements sweeps up all the new aircraft.
It is expected now Iran has done a deal with the west they will increase world oil availability by 10% in the next year. Opec producers need to increase output as their economies are under pressure. all reducing the price of a barrel of oil.
Jet2 having better fuel performance in future and a possible cheaper oil price, saving lease costs, may allow them to continue their present schedule.

LBIA 5th Sep 2015 18:07

Boeing 737-300's G-CELB/D/S will be withdrawn from service this winter. These will be replaced with further 2nd hand Boeing 737-800s which are been acquired as replacements.
A further 5 ageing Boeing 737-300's will be withdrawn next winter 2016 to be replaced by the new fleet like-for-like.
The current 11x Boeing 737-800s which are leased will then have there leases cancelled and be replaced like for like on delivery of the new aircraft in 2017. Once they have gone they maybe some growth.

The Boeing 757-200 fleet will all under go heavy mantanice this winter with some receiving the glass cockpit upgrades and will all be kept in service for at least another 5 years and maybe beyond.

Meanwhile Boeing 737-300QC, G-CELR has now been converted permently to passenger flights only due to less aircraft been required for the overnight royal mail contract even though it will keep its cargo door. They maybe others to follow as well.

B737900er 5th Sep 2015 18:10

The question being asked by many LS employees is - How are we going to pay for these planes?

Chesty Morgan 5th Sep 2015 18:12

One can only assume that said employees can't read very well.

EK77WNCL 5th Sep 2015 18:40

Which of Jet2's aircraft are leased?

BasilFawlty 5th Sep 2015 18:48

According to GINFO:
G-GDFC, G-GDFD, G-GDFF, G-GDFJ, G-GDFS, G-GDFV, G-GDFW, G-GDFX, G-GDFY, G-GDFZ, G-JZHB, G-JZHC

B737900er 5th Sep 2015 21:42

Chesty Morgan
 
"Internal resources and debt" doesn't quite explain where they are going to find 2.6 Billion dollars.

If they can find that kind of money there isn't really any excuse for offloading a large portion of their workforce over the winter time.

After reading the other threads, it sounds like there won't be any crew left to fly their current aircraft, let alone 27 new ones!

Chesty Morgan 5th Sep 2015 23:45

They don't need to find 2.6 billion dollars nor will they need to crew 27 new aircraft.

Anyway, "internal resources and debt" or, in English, a cash deposit and finance, answers quite nicely how they are going to pay for them which was the question in your first post.

Where they find the cash is a different question altogether.

Check Mags On 6th Sep 2015 08:49

Cost of deal.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the cost was more like $1.3 billion.
It is well known that Airlines do not pay the full list price.
What Jet2 actually paid is between Boeing and the Senior management of Jet2.
But at present exchange rates that is only about 32 million per airframe.

Does anyone think that other Airlines are actually paying cash for their orders. BA get theirs through leasing companies. I would very much doubt that even the Middle East carriers up front. They would probably pay a deposit and then finance them through a favourable ME bank.

All above ramblings is just my own thoughts.

anothertyke 6th Sep 2015 09:18

Yes that's the ballpark I was thinking. So written down over 16 years @ 2000 flying hours/year that gives 1000 per hour in depreciation plus ??? in interest/cost of capital. For a two hour flight that's around 10-15 per single ticket.

That's probably manageable provided they can fill them up for the equivalent of two rotations for 250 days/year.

GLAinsider 6th Sep 2015 22:33

Anyone know why LS517 (NCL-TFS) diverted into SCQ tonight? It picked up a 3.5 hour delay and has only just landed in TFS now. Appears NCL bound PAX have been HOTACd until tomorrow lunchtime.


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