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nonfrequentflyer_NCL 2nd Jul 2015 06:44

Crazy amount of resignations / crew leaving for pastures new.

Are J2 actively employing new pilots or do they have a revolving door policy on crews?

Artie Fufkin 2nd Jul 2015 07:17

"I wonder if the campers realise, behind all the fun and knobbly knees competitions, we have this completely ruthless organisation"

Squadron Leader Clive Dempster DFC, commenting to Gladys Pugh about camp host Ted Bovis being sacked for asking for a reasonable pay rise after 16 years of loyal service at Maplins.

DADDY-OH! 2nd Jul 2015 12:31

JB007

And you would know because....?

emsie 3rd Jul 2015 22:10

Revolving door
 
It's not just revolving for the crew! The OCC have this policy too

HeartyMeatballs 4th Jul 2015 19:28

I'm thinking about applying to them as flight deck as I want a home base. I enjoy my current job but I'm sick of committing.

Can anyone tell me what the financials are like for the company. I read their last annual report a while back. What do people think long term?

I ask as I work for an extremely stable airline but I really want to be based closer to home but don't want to risk it.

I'm a little uncertain what people mean when it's revolving doors. What does that mean in the context of Jet2?

Mr Angry from Purley 4th Jul 2015 19:58

Are crews resigning on 3 months notice (e.g. by time served summer will nearly be over!)

Facelookbovvered 5th Jul 2015 19:05

Hearty Meatballs
 
I doubt anyone on here can answer your question, Jet2 have a healthy balance sheet and cash reserves and a sound business plan with a loyal mainly northern customer base.

If you get the base you want/need its worth a punt, most of the people that i know who work there seem happy, but are not happy about roster stability and it would appear pilot turnover is increasing.

All down to basing, most will put up with all kinds of crap if they can sleep in their own bed on a night

Facelookbovvered 8th Jul 2015 09:17

Disruptive passenger
 
I see Jet2 have issued a life time ban to a Mr Marshall following his behaviour which it is alleged resulted in the flight diverting into Toulouse, it has also sent him an invoice for £4800.00 to cover its costs, it will be interesting to see how that plays out in court!!

Its about time airlines started getting tough with these idiots, there should be an industry wide no fly list for these people, sadly the human rights act will likely block any such approach

I applaud Jet2 for taking this stand

brian_dromey 8th Jul 2015 13:21

Well done jet2, travel is a privilege, if it's not treated as such it should be taken away. With that in mind, What part of the Human Rights act would an industry-wide "no fly" list violate, or are you just spouting daily mail non-sense?

Mr Mac 8th Jul 2015 21:13

FLB / BD
Have to agree, could we not just make passports be earned / respected rather than just given away and confiscated if it was felt that in a situation you had let the side down so to speak. I speak as a dual national (Swiss / UK) and have to say that I have yet to see or hear of any issues with Swiss flights being diverted in similar circumstances . However we can have some what tragic matrimonial issues with assault rifles for all concerned, so Rolex land is not perfect by a long way !


Regards
Mr Mac

Waldo1 8th Jul 2015 23:49

Sorry, but what a load of crap...travel is not a priviledge, its a service...like your bus service, train service, ferry service...i dont condone these arseholes who make a f**k of themselves but some of the spotter comments on here are pure cringe....

Facelookbovvered 9th Jul 2015 05:33

Brain Dromey
 
Nothing to do with the Daily Mail

I think you would find that an EU wide flight ban would be challenged in the ECHR on the grounds that it restricted the rights of free movement that all European citizens enjoy, an individual airline is of course free to chose who it decides to serve or not.

Lets just see if Mr Marshall quietly pays up or decided to ignore/fight Jet2 invoice for costs, if Jet2 have served him any alcohol on board then i suspect Jet2 would fail at court. They would also have to prove that the diversion was necessary, not a knee jerk reaction by the Captain to the CC complaining about some one supping their own alcohol, a court might find it contradictory that someone is allowed to drink alcohol on board, but only if it was bought on board.

I am not in anyway defending this idiot, but short of making flights a no alcohol flight its very difficult to get balance right for both the airline and passenger, but unless your flying on a Privilege aircraft, few would see flying in single class a privilege these days......:suspect:

Mr Mac 9th Jul 2015 12:35

FLB
Mute point, but you are not restricting freedom of movement as you still have land and sea option, only the flying option, which although making life difficult does not impede travel. As for the call to divert I believe that the Captains decision as to if he / she feels that the passenger causes a clear threat to plane or passengers would override any other concern. I take the point on the alcohol possibly being bought on board or Duty Free being consumed on board, however I would think this would still be overruled by captains decision on security of plane/ passengers / crew.


Waldo 1
It used to be a Privilege now because of idiots like this its a chore !!


Regards
Mr Mac

Ivan aromer 9th Jul 2015 17:15

Jet2
 
FLB
Mute point, but you are not restricting freedom of movement as you still have land and sea option, only the flying option, which although making life difficult does not impede travel. As for the call to divert I believe that the Captains decision as to if he / she feels that the passenger causes a clear threat to plane or passengers would override any other concern. I take the point on the alcohol possibly being bought on board or Duty Free being consumed on board, however I would think this would still be overruled by captains decision on security of plane/ passengers / crew.


Waldo 1
It used to be a Privilege now because of idiots like this its a chore !!


Regards
Mr Mac
+1

SCANDIC 10th Jul 2015 16:02

Looks like the Privilege 75 is tech yet again on remote

EK77WNCL 10th Jul 2015 16:25

What's Jet2 done with it's Enfidha flights? Shame for their first year, they don't have much luck with North Africa...

muggins 10th Jul 2015 17:14


Originally Posted by EK77WNCL (Post 9041650)
What's Jet2 done with it's Enfidha flights? Shame for their first year, they don't have much luck with North Africa...

They've done the same as TOM and TCX and cancelled all flights to Tunisia until at least 31 Oct. This follows the change in advice from the FCO to "the Foreign and Commonwealth Office now advise against all but essential travel to Tunisia"

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/tunisia

in fact the Jet2 site now has:

Jet2.com and Jet2holidays made the decision earlier this week to stop selling flights and holidays to Tunisia for the remainder of 2015 and summer 2016.

SCANDIC 16th Jul 2015 14:15

What jet2 need is a couple of second hand 76's in the jet2 holidays scheme

ericlday 16th Jul 2015 14:28

Scandic
 
and what is your reasoning behind the 76 suggestion ?

DjerbaDevil 16th Jul 2015 14:39


What jet2 need is a couple of second hand 76's in the jet2 holidays scheme
If they were proposing to go long haul the B767s would be ideal but there isn’t any indication that they will and from the report below, they are saying that long haul isn’t in their plans:

Special Report: Jet2 tops million customer mark with traditional package strategy
Special Report: Jet2 tops million customer mark with traditional package strategy - www.travelweekly.co.uk


The operator continues to grow and, according to chief executive Steve Heapy, it will continue to “focus on what it does best – package holidays you can trust”, rather than branching into long-haul or “unnecessary expansion” in the south.

SCANDIC 16th Jul 2015 14:44

I thought they might of given the long haul a bash, they seem to know their stuff, plus if they bought them out right no lease charges on them either, they could operate them for shorter distances like your turkeys and Greece's

2Planks 16th Jul 2015 15:40

EK7.... Just had an e mail pushing Girona big style - I don't think that was on the schedule so perhaps it was the only place in Spain where a slot was available.

Ian Brooks 16th Jul 2015 16:53

Think they might have missed the boat with LH as TCX are sweeping all
from far and wide judging by their loads ex MAN

Ian

Penworth 16th Jul 2015 19:13

As an employee of Jet2 I'm glad they're not looking at getting into long haul. Much as I'd love them to branch out and expand into different areas, the company is only making £40m profit a year, much of which could be wiped out expanding into long haul, where the costs can quickly rack up with tech aircraft and so on. I don't know how much the long haul adds to Thomas Cook's bottom line, but they're still a loss making company at the moment. The aircraft may be full but when you compare their prices to Thomson and Virgin you can see why.

El Bunto 18th Jul 2015 13:14

G-CELA has completed air tests out of Dublin over the past couple of days and was ferried back to Leeds late last night.

Jet2_738 19th Jul 2015 15:41

http://www.dartgroup.co.uk/uploadedF...sults-2015.pdf

Dart Group have announced their preliminary unaudited results for the year up to 31 March 2015. Group turnover increased 12%, whilst underlying Group operating profit increased 3%.


After accounting for an exceptional provision of £17.0m, in relation to possible passenger compensation claims for historical flight delays under Regulation (EC) No 261/2004, Group profit before tax, fell by 5% to £40.2m (2014: £42.1m).
Still, a very impressive group profit, especially given the rise in EU261 claims. :ok:

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 19th Jul 2015 18:33


G-CELA has completed air tests out of Dublin over the past couple of days and was ferried back to Leeds late last night.
What was up with her? Routine maintenance or gone tech?

Chesty Morgan 19th Jul 2015 19:27

C Check....

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 19th Jul 2015 19:56

C Check? Usual maintenance then.

Honiley 19th Jul 2015 21:04

The turnover for this group is over £1bn! A falling profit on last year of just £40m is far from impressive! In fact, quite worrying!

Chesty Morgan 19th Jul 2015 21:52

It was actually an increase on last year minus a one off £17M reduction for the EU261 thing. Close to 6%, which is similar to BA in 2013/14.

But then you knew that.

pug 19th Jul 2015 21:58

But the heads at the top know that.. Anyone that was in the Directors presentation would know that too.. Emphasis on 'most busuness owners wouldn't get out of bed for an £X profit margin'..

Penworth 20th Jul 2015 14:57

Those clueless investors obviously haven't a clue either, Honiley. The shares in Dart Group have jumped 7% in the last few days since the financial results were announced - Dart's shareholders are clearly very worried! :ugh:

Global_Global 20th Jul 2015 19:26

Honiley you are such an expert: as you mentioned on 16th Jan 2008, 16:03

I would put Jet2 fairly high on the list of potential casualties for 2008!
What is your problem? :cool:

castleford tiger 22nd Jul 2015 06:32

Financially Dart are one of the strongest companies by some margin.
They own over 85% of their fleet.
They have no debt.
They have a net cash position ( even allowing for all the restricted cash).
They have invested heavily over the last few years.
They are UK based including the call centre.
They have built a holiday business taking over 1 million customers in under 5 years.


As shareholders the price has doubled in the last two years and gone up 25 times from a low point of 16p.


Running any business you will get those "knockers" . It gets a little tiresome on here listening to those ex employees moan.
I for one think they do a great job and have offered those of us in the north a great choice of destinations.

Mr A Tis 22nd Jul 2015 10:20

G-CELA "C" check, this old girl is almost 29 years old. Does she have low hours for her age? I see that a younger LC was scrapped recently at Kemble.
Is she more valuable to the Jet2 fleet as she is a QC variant?

TSR2 22nd Jul 2015 10:41


What is your problem?
Think he/she needs a little more time ;)

DjerbaDevil 22nd Jul 2015 11:44

castleford tiger:
 

Financially Dart are one of the strongest companies by some margin.
They own over 85% of their fleet.
They have no debt.
They have a net cash position ( even allowing for all the restricted cash).
They have invested heavily over the last few years.
They are UK based including the call centre.
They have built a holiday business taking over 1 million customers in under 5 years.
As shareholders the price has doubled in the last two years and gone up 25 times from a low point of 16p.
Couldn’t fault you on the above but since the shares have doubled in tha last two years and the company couldn’t be in a better financial position, can you confirm that the staff salaries and benefits have seen the same percentage increases?
Yes, you have mentioned all the Dart group’s achievements but you have forgotten the people that have worked hard to get the Group where it is today. No CEO nor any Director/manager etc., is of any use if they don’t have staff to diligently carry out their instructions.
Pilots for example have no salary increments, so once employed they have no other reason to stay other than for their own convenience. There are no travel concessions, no salary increments, no share or profit bonuses. Even Michael O’Leary has recently discovered that he needs to be nicer to staff if he wants to keep them and that has even turned the heads of JET2 pilots to look and even go to Ryanair for a better deal. Obviously staffing costs have to be kept down but if it causes more expenses elsewhere due to extra recruitment costs and training costs, then the shareholders aren’t getting a good deal.

The JET2 Holidays Tour Operating is a fairly new venture and has grown beyond anyone’s imagination, a superb achievement. Rumours would indicate, however, that the quick growth has brought with it many more chiefs than necessary and too few coal face workers. In the past this imbalance and/or empire building has brought down many UK tour operators.

Just a little constructive critisism for you to consider but with no intention to detract from the Dart Group’s excellent trading position.

supermarine 22nd Jul 2015 13:46

That is not constructive criticism, more of a whinge :=

Penworth 22nd Jul 2015 16:19

It may be a whinge, but it also happens to be 100% spot on, and accurately reflects the feelings of the staff :ok:


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