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DjerbaDevil 22nd Jul 2015 18:31

supermarine
 

That is not constructive criticism, more of a whinge
A fair comment if it comes from a blinkered employer that considers his employees as no better than his expendable razors. The staffing policy of saying “if you don’t like it PFO!” eventually comes back on one and bites. Today, as ‘castleford tiger’ described, the Dart Group is in possession of many assets and owned aircraft plus no debts and cash in the bank, added to which a massive turnover of 1.5 billion pounds.....but what about their most important asset, their staff? Not worth mentioning it seems and that from a self confessed important shareholder in the Dart Group.

An airline and tour operator are heavily dependant on their staff for each and every action. It is the efficiency and diligence of the staff that make the difference between making a profit or a thumping great big loss. It would appear to be reasonable therefore for senior management to spare no effort to develope loyalty and diligence from their staff. And one way to achieve this is to reward staff for their efficiency and productivity and particulary for their years of loyal service.

Here’s a video showing some considerable enthusiasm from JET2 staff and long may it last........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnLS...youtu.be&t=49s

gorter 22nd Jul 2015 18:52


Originally Posted by castleford tiger (Post 9054485)
Running any business you will get those "knockers" . It gets a little tiresome on here listening to those ex employees moan.

Castleford. Did you ever ask any of the directors (like you said you would) why so many employees left jet2 the first second they could. 15% of the pilots (give or take a couple), God knows how many cabin crew and other staff.

crewmeal 23rd Jul 2015 06:29

I really have to congratulate Jet2 for taking the initiative in banning this scum from ever flying again. It's great that a carrier comes up with a register to prevent people from flying. Let's hope all carriers contribute.

Drunken yob strips, spits and abuses airline staff on holiday flight (From Evening Times)

This has got to be one of the worst examples I've seen.

El Bunto 23rd Jul 2015 06:36


It's great that a carrier comes up with a register to prevent people from flying. Let's hope all carriers contribute.
No-flight registers are quite common in the USA, usually with an interesting mix of 'inhabitants'; the vulgar end of the spectrum and also the respectable business-class traveller caught-out using hidden-cities once too often.

However sharing them across companies is not practised due to problems of discrimination and collusion.

Jet2_320 23rd Jul 2015 10:07

Scratchingthesky your previous post is a very accurate observation of the current status of the company.
The situation you describe above is made even worse by new recruits not being able to fly both the NG and the Classic until they have done at least 6 months of service and done a conversion course which is another burden on the training system.

tonker 23rd Jul 2015 15:49

Scratchingthesky: you nailed it.

I hope something's sorted out soon, and it isn't a token half measure.

Cuillin Hills 23rd Jul 2015 16:18

Initial telephone interview is still all about "would you be willing to accept a 70% contract?" or "are you aware that you will be paid 50% salary during training until line check?"

No thanks.

Jet2_320 23rd Jul 2015 18:08

Cuillin Hills thats 90% of the problem; HR and 737 fleet management have no appreciation for the problems they got themselves into with regards to crewing levels and staff moral. Neither do they have any idea how many resignations are still about to head their way.

4Screwaircrew 23rd Jul 2015 22:48

Jet2_320 I believe you have summed up the problem, the 2 fleets are like 2 separate airlines.

tocken 24th Jul 2015 09:34

What started out as a nice little flying job as turned into dare I say it a " poisoned Chalice ". Pilots that have been with Jet2 the neck end of 10 years are starting to leave and many more are seriously thinking of doing so. If you set aside the issues of older aircraft, slave ship rosters on the 737, middle management who have taken their eye off the ball..etc..we are still almost 2k per month less ( net ) in the pocket department from FR, EZ. As other posts suggest, it's only a matter of time before the experience levels start to become a concern in both seats. They need to start paying what people are really worth..increments would be a good starting point

Jet2_320 24th Jul 2015 12:12

Increments (in the amount of pilots leaving)!!! Big chance

TSR2 24th Jul 2015 13:03


They need to start paying what people are really worth.
Why ... what's so special about pilots. There will always be people willing to work for less than you ... and experience has no value ... that's life unfortunately.

Twiglet1 24th Jul 2015 17:31

Jet2 4
 
TSR
Experience should and does have a value. The problem that is the public perception of pilots is the glam and the highly salary which is these days far from correct. I would say however that pilots are also very clever and they should know that at Jet 2 it's work work work in summer and relax in winter and moan of loads of standby and
no flying - you don't hear this on web sites though. Loosing crews is nothing new, opportunity for Command and new entrant first officers. More happy ness and salaries are less.
Will the Company react and try fix - only time will tell

taxi_driver 24th Jul 2015 20:58

They are getting in quite a mess. Today 3 hour + delays due crew shortages leaving them at the mercy of big eu261 claims? Take a look at the arrivals and departures board.

On the back of the drag curve with pilot numbers? No longer a matter of simply replacing the leavers, but needing to think and anticipate those that are likely to leave. Still they persist with unattractive 50 and 70% deals like hagglers at a boot sale with little understanding of a changing job market.

Intensive in house type training in the peak season? Maybe a bad idea when it pulls valuable resources from front line flying.

Large fleets of older aircraft. Maybe not such great value for money when spending large sums recovering casualty aircraft, chartering short notice stand in cover and propping up the operation with king airs and biz jets shipping crew and engineers about.

DjerbaDevil 24th Jul 2015 21:34


They are getting in quite a mess. Today 3 hour + delays due crew shortages leaving them at the mercy of big eu261 claims?
Are you sure? If so please indicate the airport. The only 'lengthy' delay registered for 24 July was a flight from LBA which was 62 minutes late departing.

taxi_driver 24th Jul 2015 21:42

The 922 and 921 ex Man. I can only presumbe all standby and spare crew cover has been exhausted?

Flying Wild 24th Jul 2015 21:42


Originally Posted by taxi_driver (Post 9057453)
They are getting in quite a mess. Today 3 hour + delays due crew shortages leaving them at the mercy of big eu261 claims? Take a look at the arrivals and departures board.

Not quite sure where you get your information from. One delay down to a leased aircraft going tech, swapping onto a company spare. The other down to technical issues down route with pax recovered by spare aircraft from ALC and the UK.

Nothing to do with crew shortages.

taxi_driver 24th Jul 2015 21:58

A 4 hr delay, at the biggest base, which normally has full airport standby cover? Surely shows a shortage of some sort?

Jet2_738 24th Jul 2015 22:31


A 4 hr delay, at the biggest base, which normally has full airport standby cover? Surely shows a shortage of some sort?.
The LS921/2 was scheduled to be operated by -ISY, leased from Privilege but instead was operated by -LSAH, due to the aircraft going tech, like Flying Wild said. Hardly surprising given -ISY's recent form - only came back into service on Sunday after going tech, again... :ok:

737James 24th Jul 2015 23:18

I saw an interesting comment in a Midlands paper today Jet2 say pax numbers are up 44% this year at EMA and early booking figures for 2016 suggest up 25% on this time last year for the following summer. So looks like some good growth in that market

JM926 25th Jul 2015 20:19

Today's delays
 
In fairness today there were delays across the board in various airlines due to Spanish strike action. Don't think that's due to crewing levels

taxi_driver 26th Jul 2015 17:27

Slot delays in peak summer are a fact of life for all operators. My gut feeling is that manning levels are under severe strain right now at jet2. To take a 4-5 hr delay at a main base with an operator that supposedly keeps 4 aircraft + crew on airport standby indicates a severe shortage of some sort?

I have no dog in the race, other than alot of ex colleagues who earn a living there. I only hope that management there grasp the severity of the problem in time.

Waldo1 26th Jul 2015 22:06

Seen a 757 climbing out of Malaga today heading for Alicante, what would that have been for?

GLAinsider 1st Aug 2015 22:02

Anyone know why it took so long to position AH from LBA into MAN tonight to operate EXS781?

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 9th Aug 2015 18:21

Flew in to NCL last night on G-GDFO from Pisa (yep, was on a Jet2 bucket and spade holiday) and for an old bird she was spot on. Pilot was excellent, kept everyone informed of the bits we needed to know, safe flight, plane spotless, excellent cabin crew.

Think the Pilot name was David Eels but I was 3 glasses of vino to the wind at this point and listening to The Style Council so I may be wrong on this.

Bravo Jet2, a thoroughly excellent flight in and out on an old 737 300 and a great holiday.

Ivan aromer 11th Aug 2015 16:01

Jet2
 
Well someone thinks they are doing something right!
Despite the suits (and some in uniform) in LFFH, the share price is moving along nicely.
Keep up the good work boys and girls!

supermarine 11th Aug 2015 16:20

OOOh the positivity will annoy Taxi Driver :D

scr1 14th Aug 2015 18:32

Well done to jet 2 for doing this

Airline bill for 'disruptive' Jet2.com passenger - BBC News

About time

Chitty 15th Aug 2015 18:11

hi just been reading this online about jet2 passenger getting a 2,700 bill for been disrupted.
and it say jet2 which fly's from Glasgow Edinburgh and Aberdeen?
didn't think jet2 did flights from Aberdeen is this a new base we don't know about.
Jet2 air rage yob who terrorised cabin crew on flight to Ibiza - gets hit with £2,700 bill - Mirror Online

Ivan aromer 16th Aug 2015 04:08

Jet2 air rage yob who terrorised cabin crew on flight to Ibiza - gets hit with £2,700 bill - Mirror Online
A good idea but getting a bill and paying a bill are rather different.
Will he pay, I rather doubt it.

Penworth 16th Aug 2015 08:31

Yes but clearly the whole point of this initiative isn't to get a few grand out of these people, it's to get the message out through the media that Jet2 isn't an airline which will tolerate this kind of behaviour. It will leave you stranded at whichever airport they divert to and it will have you arrested and it will ban you for life and it will bill you. Got to be some kind of a deterrent - good on them!

rutankrd 16th Aug 2015 08:46

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Jet2 air rage yob who terrorised cabin crew on flight to Ibiza - gets hit with £2,700 bill - Mirror Online
A good idea but getting a bill and paying a bill are rather different.
Will he pay, I rather doubt it.

Will he pay now probably not but when the High Court Bailiffs arrive at his door unannounced with a warrant to seize and an inflated bill nearer £5,000 he will else find himself bankrupted AND sans Tele/PC and car !

The days have gone when these debts aren't recovered by businesses !

Ivan aromer 16th Aug 2015 09:25

Disruptive pax.
 
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The days have gone when these debts aren't recovered by businesses !
Yes, I agree. But we are talking about Jet2 here.

CaptainDoony 16th Aug 2015 12:57


and it say jet2 which fly's from Glasgow Edinburgh and Aberdeen?
didn't think jet2 did flights from Aberdeen is this a new base we don't know about.
They don't fly from Aberdeen currently but the ABZ social media pages have been hinting at the last week or so of an "exciting, big announcement" that is imminent.

Consensus on the ABZ board is that it is going to be a based LCC operating long overdue leisure flights out of ABZ. LS themselves have previously expressed an interest in operating out of ABZ.

Mirror article perhaps knows something or is it usual UK tabloid reporting standards?

GLAinsider 19th Aug 2015 14:38

I remember that FlyGlobespan tried to make a go at ABZ in the 00's but it was tough going up there back then. Maybe things are different now. I doubt Aberdeen can sustain more then a couple of B733s and some VERY carefully chosen routes.

toon22 19th Aug 2015 15:27

Sun From ABZ
 
..... Monarch tried too - from AGP. Great loads, the only problem was that those canny Aberdonians wouldn't pay a penny more than the equivalent service from MAN, so you had 50 minutes extra flying for zero incremental revenue. Jet 2 beware!

EK77WNCL 20th Aug 2015 00:15

I'm in Aberdeen now and stuff (holidays) seem so expensive!

SCANDIC 31st Aug 2015 21:18

Any new aircraft coming or expansion for the future

TartinTon 31st Aug 2015 21:27


..... Monarch tried too - from AGP. Great loads, the only problem was that those canny Aberdonians wouldn't pay a penny more than the equivalent service from MAN, so you had 50 minutes extra flying for zero incremental revenue. Jet 2 beware
The problems started when Globespan showed up. Contrary to toons post, loads AND yields were good for Monarch until GS showed up offering a whole other range of destinations. The problem is that the market just ain't that big from ABZ and with more choice came lower yields until the airport ended up with next to nothing.

flyby1 3rd Sep 2015 06:20

New aircraft
 
Order of 27 800NGs to be delivered from Sept 2016.


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