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If Flybe do have the resources and will to set up a base at SOU hopefully it will be much more successful than T3, however if it was a case of putting eggs in baskets I think they should focus more on LM and Emerald.
Originally Posted by Wycombe
Logan's MD has stated that they won't open bases outside their core of Scotland and the North
MOL of Ryanair said they would never fly to FRA, but they did.
I'm not saying Loganair will or won't do X or Y, but one should remember that the passage of time and structural changes in the market allows CEOs a convenient reason to change their minds on many things if so desired
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
Been browsing the trustpilot reviews of Flybe, seems to be a lot of bot/fake reviews and grievances with the previous Flybe! I get things aren't perfect with the new company by a long shot but for example people saying the LHR - Belfast flights have been delayed on a certain date, I've then gone to check Flight Radar for those flights..... no delays showing or if they do show it's less than 10 minutes. Surely Trustpilot should be regulating this a bit more?
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
Been browsing the trustpilot reviews of Flybe, seems to be a lot of bot/fake reviews and grievances with the previous Flybe! I get things aren't perfect with the new company by a long shot but for example people saying the LHR - Belfast flights have been delayed on a certain date, I've then gone to check Flight Radar for those flights..... no delays showing or if they do show it's less than 10 minutes. Surely Trustpilot should be regulating this a bit more?
Trustpilot doesn’t care enough to regulate such things. Looking at it, it seems lost/not carried baggage is a far bigger concern something I also noticed from comments on Twitter.
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Unless they are making a complete horlicks of their CAA statistics submission (which I guess is a possibility) then May's CAA figures do not make for happy reading.
Flybe Q400 fleet has 10,024 passengers uplifted across 654 stage flights so an average of 15.3 passengers per flight. Looking at the data another way, they had 18,694,000 seat km available and the report states 3,677,000 used which gives you the same answer - 19.6% load factor.
Flybe Q400 fleet has 10,024 passengers uplifted across 654 stage flights so an average of 15.3 passengers per flight. Looking at the data another way, they had 18,694,000 seat km available and the report states 3,677,000 used which gives you the same answer - 19.6% load factor.
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
Unless they are making a complete horlicks of their CAA statistics submission (which I guess is a possibility) then May's CAA figures do not make for happy reading.
Flybe Q400 fleet has 10,024 passengers uplifted across 654 stage flights so an average of 15.3 passengers per flight. Looking at the data another way, they had 18,694,000 seat km available and the report states 3,677,000 used which gives you the same answer - 19.6% load factor.
Flybe Q400 fleet has 10,024 passengers uplifted across 654 stage flights so an average of 15.3 passengers per flight. Looking at the data another way, they had 18,694,000 seat km available and the report states 3,677,000 used which gives you the same answer - 19.6% load factor.
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Originally Posted by BA318
I wonder if Emerald and others are also suffering or it’s just Flybe.
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Using the CAA May figures and calculating load factor by RPK / ASK (which is technically the way it should be done, as opposed to seat-factor - so the figures are stage-length adjusted), you get:
Aurigny 64.9%
BA CityFlyer 72.9%
Blue Islands 66.2%
British Airways 78.9% (short-haul Airbus fleet only)
Eastern Airways 57.3%
easyJet UK 82.4%
Flybe 19.7%
Loganair 63.4%
Ryanair UK 77.6% (8 UK aircraft reported)
So you broadly have three groups - easyJet, BA and Ryanair at relatively high load factors (although below the sold seat factors they announce), then the UK regional operators all in a fairly narrow band between 57% and 66%, and then Flybe at 19%. I'm wondering if the figures are correct - they are so bad that it's hard to imagine. But the CAA only report the data that airlines submit to them, so if there is an error then the strong likelihood is it's from Flybe's own data.
Aurigny 64.9%
BA CityFlyer 72.9%
Blue Islands 66.2%
British Airways 78.9% (short-haul Airbus fleet only)
Eastern Airways 57.3%
easyJet UK 82.4%
Flybe 19.7%
Loganair 63.4%
Ryanair UK 77.6% (8 UK aircraft reported)
So you broadly have three groups - easyJet, BA and Ryanair at relatively high load factors (although below the sold seat factors they announce), then the UK regional operators all in a fairly narrow band between 57% and 66%, and then Flybe at 19%. I'm wondering if the figures are correct - they are so bad that it's hard to imagine. But the CAA only report the data that airlines submit to them, so if there is an error then the strong likelihood is it's from Flybe's own data.
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Suspect its the latter. Previous passengers who flew BE have no idea theyre ‘back’ with zero advertising, and hotch potch of third party operators… not really a great look.
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I've been reliably told that Flybe's loads are averaging in the mid to high 50s% with a couple of routes well into the 80%s...I suspect it's the usual garbage from the CAAs website. Their figures have been highly suspect for a number of years now when they used to be so good. Lots of missing data.
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
I've been reliably told that Flybe's loads are averaging in the mid to high 50s% with a couple of routes well into the 80%s...I suspect it's the usual garbage from the CAAs website. Their fugures have been highly suspect for a number of years now when the used to be so good. lots of missing data.
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The CAA operator figures are based on data supplied by the UK AOC holder, so if the data is garbage, it can't be anything other than the garbage that has been supplied by Flybe to the CAA. It's a different data collection methodology to the monthly pax figures by route which are supplied by airports and are erratic, particularly when multi-leg flights are involved.
Emerald is operating on an Irish AOC and so doesn't supply data to the UK CAA. That will change if/when it gets its UK AOC, just as for Ryanair.
Emerald is operating on an Irish AOC and so doesn't supply data to the UK CAA. That will change if/when it gets its UK AOC, just as for Ryanair.
Emerald is operating on an Irish AOC and so doesn't supply data to the UK CAA. That will change if/when it gets its UK AOC, just as for Ryanair.
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It quotes data for an A321-200 Neo and an A330 so unless those aircraft types were deployed on BHD-LHR (which I'd doubt!!) then the data will relate to the aircraft being operated on the UK AOC.
Going back to the key point, if the Flybe data isn't what's actually happening, they need to get their s**t together in terms of the data they're giving to the CAA. I can't imagine for one moment that the CAA is making this up.
Going back to the key point, if the Flybe data isn't what's actually happening, they need to get their s**t together in terms of the data they're giving to the CAA. I can't imagine for one moment that the CAA is making this up.
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
The CAA operator figures are based on data supplied by the UK AOC holder, so if the data is garbage, it can't be anything other than the garbage that has been supplied by Flybe to the CAA.
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
If you look at the entry for Domestic scheduled flights there are details for Aer Lingus UK - is this for the EI BHD-LHR flights?
Originally Posted by Flightrider
It quotes data for an A321-200 Neo and an A330 so unless those aircraft types were deployed on BHD-LHR (which I'd doubt!!) then the data will relate to the aircraft being operated on the UK AOC.
For reference, Aer Lingus UK is based at MAN; the A321 and A330 that are on the AOC fly to BGI, JFK & MCO.
https://www.caa.co.uk/Documents/Down...89d22ca43/3193
