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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Can’t imagine LM happy about BE on their now established EDI/GLA-SOU route, though choice of cramped narrow but fast Emb145 vs Noisy slightly slower D8
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They appear to try to reclaim what they originally lost. However with their current reliability is a business passenger going to pay a little bit extra on the company credit card to be assured their flight won't be delayed or cancelled? Why feel the need to go head to head on the majority of routes when profitability is hard enough at the best of times on regional routes
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Originally Posted by BA318
Indeed. I’ve not been the biggest fan of their strategy but from day one I’ve thought NQY is a better option. Does Flybe entering to LHR have any effect on the PSO to LGW? Why subsidise a LGW link if LHR is being served?
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Can’t imagine LM happy about BE on their now established EDI/GLA-SOU route, though choice of cramped narrow but fast Emb145 vs Noisy slightly slower D8
Originally Posted by SKOJB
or £200 one way versus £50!!
The irony of it all is that after all the protestations about how it's different from Flybe 1, it's making all the same mistakes. Including trying to pick a fight with Loganair!
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1
The irony of it all is that after all the protestations about how it's different from Flybe 1, it's making all the same mistakes. Including trying to pick a fight with Loganair!
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...which assumes they'll stick with the E145 on those routes and not flip some ATR72 flying across. They had the advantage of E170 versus Saab 340 last time and still lost royally.
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Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun
Time will tell but I imagine Flybe’s Q4 seat production cost will be significantly lower than Logan’s E145.
Extreme example;
The A380 versus the E145. Seat mile costs incomparable. But if you only have 50 passengers. Which is most cost effective to fly those 50 passengers, despite the E145’s very high seat cost compared to the A380?
Relevant example;
The DHC8-Q400 has 50% more seats than the E145. If both airlines only fill 50 seats on a competing service. And Loganair possibly command a higher price point due to more frequency, connecting pax in Scotland, BA codeshare etc. Which aircraft is more profitable? The larger, cheaper seat-mile cost aircraft, at a 75% load factor, or the smaller, “more-expensive” aircraft at a 100% load factor, and possibility a higher average fare. Impossible to answer without information that will never be known outside each airlines commercial department.
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Originally Posted by RW20
A realistic upload for SOU,but what about CDG? Obviously there isn't the interest in this destination anymore,amazing considering the frequency of such flights in recent years.
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Originally Posted by mmeteesside
That would be my impression too, why would you subsidise a route if someone is willing to operate it commercially. Trying to knock Eastern off it and then win the contract next time it comes back out to tender - which will be when they inevitably drop it again…
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Originally Posted by Downwind_Left
But that’s often the argument about seat-mile costs. The larger aircraft usually has the cheaper cost, but that is only true if you assume a 100% load factor.
Extreme example;
The A380 versus the E145. Seat mile costs incomparable. But if you only have 50 passengers. Which is most cost effective to fly those 50 passengers, despite the E145’s very high seat cost compared to the A380?
Relevant example;
The DHC8-Q400 has 50% more seats than the E145. If both airlines only fill 50 seats on a competing service. And Loganair possibly command a higher price point due to more frequency, connecting pax in Scotland, BA codeshare etc. Which aircraft is more profitable? The larger, cheaper seat-mile cost aircraft, at a 75% load factor, or the smaller, “more-expensive” aircraft at a 100% load factor, and possibility a higher average fare. Impossible to answer without information that will never be known outside each airlines commercial department.
Extreme example;
The A380 versus the E145. Seat mile costs incomparable. But if you only have 50 passengers. Which is most cost effective to fly those 50 passengers, despite the E145’s very high seat cost compared to the A380?
Relevant example;
The DHC8-Q400 has 50% more seats than the E145. If both airlines only fill 50 seats on a competing service. And Loganair possibly command a higher price point due to more frequency, connecting pax in Scotland, BA codeshare etc. Which aircraft is more profitable? The larger, cheaper seat-mile cost aircraft, at a 75% load factor, or the smaller, “more-expensive” aircraft at a 100% load factor, and possibility a higher average fare. Impossible to answer without information that will never be known outside each airlines commercial department.
lower operating costs, tonnage charges and and half the cabin crew salaries.
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Originally Posted by Gsm1
Have they dropped Heathrow?
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
Why "inevitably" drop it? They operated it for many years before Eastern came along...in fact they added SEN/LCY to their London routes as well as LGW at the time that they served 3 x daily. Not exactly the scenario that you have painted.....
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
Whilst some of the winter routes I did expect, on the whole is was rather disappointed! LHR-NQY for example I cannot see working against the competing PSO route to Gatwick. Flybe have also missed out Exeter yet again which did a lot for them previously, alongside Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK. Flights from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Bristol etc have not been resumed by Emerald Airlines despite the fact those routes had a reasonably good passenger loading.
Word from inside BEE elsewhere is that EXT is in their plans, but they wont be starting anything yet.
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Originally Posted by airsouthwest
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened. I presume Eastern are operating an ATR on the PSO route so they wouldn't be able to use Heathrow now demand is back.
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There has been a lot of inside word from BEE though, only a few months ago there was talk of SOU become a base which still hasn't happened.
Talk of EXT becoming a base? I'd put that alongside the talk that they'd have 20 aircraft by the end of this year and 32 in all. Believe it when you see it!
Originally Posted by airsouthwest
Whilst some of the winter routes I did expect, on the whole is was rather disappointed! LHR-NQY for example I cannot see working against the competing PSO route to Gatwick. Flybe have also missed out Exeter yet again which did a lot for them previously, alongside Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK. Flights from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Bristol etc have not been resumed by Emerald Airlines despite the fact those routes had a reasonably good passenger loading.
Some interesting rumours out of Flybe HQ today. No-one mentioning the unmentionable....
Cork in Ireland which only has Aer Lingus (London Heathrow) & Ryanair (Stansted) in terms of flights to the UK.
