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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 10:25
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Crikey, Iíd thought Iíd woken up on April 1st this morning reading all the recent postings of Flybeís latest route announcements. They must have some seriously deep pockets as they're going to lose a shed load of cash with this latest foray. Iím genuinely struggling to see what their business plan and strategy is, itís just so scattergun itís difficult to see where theyíre going with the business (apart from squandering a whole load of cash)

Very interesting times ahead!
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer View Post
Crikey, Iíd thought Iíd woken up on April 1st this morning reading all the recent postings of Flybeís latest route announcements. They must have some seriously deep pockets as they're going to lose a shed load of cash with this latest foray. Iím genuinely struggling to see what their business plan and strategy is, itís just so scattergun itís difficult to see where theyíre going with the business (apart from squandering a whole load of cash)

Very interesting times ahead!
yes they seem to be making the same business decisions and ultimately mistakes all over again. I just cannot see where their logical thinking is and itís all very scattergun as you say!
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Old 22nd Sep 2022, 11:02
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Is the common denominator trying to keep hold of LHR slots, NQY and IOM/BHD replacing LBA?
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 08:20
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Is the common denominator trying to keep hold of LHR slots, NQY and IOM/BHD replacing LBA?
Almost certainly, otherwise theyíd need to hand them back to IAG.
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Only guessing but I just cannot see them making money at present. Coupled with an almost definite recession on the horizon, flybe v2 looks precarious.
I hope it works out as a business so that the crews still looking for work get a chance of re-employment if business expands.


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Old 25th Sep 2022, 10:27
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I agree with others they appear to be making the same mistakes. As a new business it is never a good idea to instantly go after the competition. They should be focusing on routes with no competition and then when they are stronger start picking fights. I would love to know the logic on focusing so much on BHD when Emerald were already setting out their stool there and with the backing of EI.

when it comes to competition surely it would make sense to focus on the routes LM use the 145 on as itís cramp and not the most efficient. I think most would take the Q400 over one of those as itís nearly as quick, more space and tickets would be cheaper.
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I would take the jet over the Q400 (which isnít particularly Q) any time.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 20:02
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
I would take the jet over the Q400 (which isnít particularly Q) any time.
I agree. The E145 over the Q400 anyday. Use LM regularly. The service is great. Plus do they not own all the E145s, so no leasing costs involved.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 23:14
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
I agree with others they appear to be making the same mistakes. As a new business it is never a good idea to instantly go after the competition. They should be focusing on routes with no competition and then when they are stronger start picking fights. I would love to know the logic on focusing so much on BHD when Emerald were already setting out their stool there and with the backing of EI.

when it comes to competition surely it would make sense to focus on the routes LM use the 145 on as itís cramp and not the most efficient. I think most would take the Q400 over one of those as itís nearly as quick, more space and tickets would be cheaper.
Does anyone know who is winning in BHD between EI and BE?
when will CAA figures be released to show the comparison?
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 14:34
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The much debated May pax figures on the CAA have been updated on the 22/9/22 as below.


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[QUOTE=cavokblues;11303031]The much debated May pax figures on the CAA have been updated on the 22/9/22 as below.

Thise figures look a lot better / more accurate than the original ones
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 07:24
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53% of capacity - but one would hope that would build as the brand re-establishes itself
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 13:32
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Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun View Post
Almost certainly, otherwise theyíd need to hand them back to IAG.
I see VA have joined SkyTeam.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 17:46
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Originally Posted by Hearmenow View Post
I see VA have joined SkyTeam.
Possibily Flybe might codeshare with airlines that are in SkyTeam?
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 18:27
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Originally Posted by allan1987 View Post
Possibily Flybe might codeshare with airlines that are in SkyTeam?
Unlikely, rumoured at the time that BMI paid over £1 Million to join Star Alliance

These alliances have strict entrance criteria to meet, it's not automatic.

https://www.skyteam.com/en/about/air...r-requirements
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 19:17
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You can codeshare without coming a member but there will be hoops to be jumped through (I think SkyTeam have announced that they aren't accepting anybody else anyway).

Also, didn't VS lose on mk 1, and are no longer involved?

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Old 28th Sep 2022, 07:29
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
You can codeshare without coming a member but there will be hoops to be jumped through (I think SkyTeam have announced that they aren't accepting anybody else anyway).

Also, didn't VS lose on mk 1, and are no longer involved?
Yes.

To operate a codeshare flight you have to be fully safety audited and have customer service standard equal to or great than the company whose code you wish to use.

Very tough. On domestic UK flights BMI got circa £50 pp for codeshare pax, one of reasons they went under.
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Originally Posted by tictack67 View Post
Yes.

To operate a codeshare flight you have to be fully safety audited and have customer service standard equal to or great than the company whose code you wish to use.

Very tough. On domestic UK flights BMI got circa £50 pp for codeshare pax, one of reasons they went under.
No you dont, on either.
No they didnít.
Donít make things up.
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Old 28th Sep 2022, 22:12
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That's rather harsh.

You either need IOSA accreditation or to be fully audited for a codeshare with any major carrier, and for most, IOSA is the standard.

There is an additional process for Lufthansa Group which is a bar higher than IOSA.

And the p**s poor income from some of the connecting partners with bmi (we're talking about the mainline airline sold to BA in 2012 here) was a major problem. They needed the pax volume but didn't get sufficient income to accompany it. There is more than a grain of truth in what's being said.

The previous posters might not have the terminology bang on, but the broad outline of what they are saying is a fair reflection of reality.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 07:20
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No you dont, on either.
No they didnít.
Donít make things up.
A bold accusation.

I await your evidence to the contrary.

If codeshares where that easy airlines would be trading like Amazon marketplace.

As the Marketing airline BA would have to rebook any Flybe cancellations or missed connections (including in higher class if not Y).

As for the fixed amount, you of course will be aware there are many types of codeshare since you've been here since 2017 and posted 6 times.

Of course you'll know why Iberia put a code share flight number on LHR to JFK but Loganair don't, despite both codesharing into LHR

There are several types of code sharing arrangements:
  • Block space codeshare: A commercial (marketing) airline purchases a fixed number of seats from the administrating (operating/prime) carrier. A fixed price is typically paid, and the seats are kept away from the administrating carrier's inventory. The marketing airline decides on its own which booking classes the seats are sold in (the block of seats are optimized just like another aircraft cabin).
  • Free flow codeshare: The airlines' inventory and reservation systems communicate in real-time by messaging, commonly IATA AIRIMP/PADIS messaging (TTY and EDIFACT). A booking class mapping is defined between the airlines. No seats are locked to any of the airlines, and any airline can sell any number of seats.
  • Capped free flow: Basically the same as above, but capping (maximum number of seats) is defined for each of the marketing airlines participating in the codeshare with the administrating carrier.
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