Flybe-V2

[N123JB]

Originally Posted by bean

Non proffesional speculation network

"Rumour - be circulated as an unverified account"

Nothing speculative about saying Flybe has dramatically raised fares on certain flights and removed them from sale on outside channels. Nor is it speculative to point out there are several examples of airlines dramatically raising fares to deter people from booking for a variety of reasons. If you want to reach a conclusion based on that then that's on you. Make of it what you will.

[Wycombe]

One of the awaited/overdue Dash's scheduled for delivery was noted test-flying out of MST yesterday, so hopefully making its way into service soon?

As for the posts above, it does all seem to fit with the Flybe source who confirmed that schedule adjustments were underway and that the high fares on some routes were part of this process.

[bean]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

One of the awaited/overdue Dash's scheduled for delivery was noted test-flying out of MST yesterday, so hopefully making its way into service soon?

As for the posts above, it does all seem to fit with the Flybe source who confirmed that schedule adjustments were underway and that the high fares on some routes were part of this process.

Wycombe. You and i are singing from the same hymn sheet and same sources. Let's not identyfy them to the same negative whingers who want to see an airline die before it has properly gestated other wise the sources we have will be simarlarly tainted by toxicity

[cavokblues]

CAA Airport stats are out

Hard to really read anything into them as only two routes without competition

East Midlands - Amsterdam -2483 pax to and from.
Leeds - Heathrow - 990 pax to and from .

Not sure on seat capacity, is it a daily fight between East Midlands and Amsterdam and 12 flights a week each way between Leeds and Heathrow?

[Wycombe]

Looks like the leased-in Swift Air ATR had a turn-back shortly after departing BHD for LBA this morning.

[davidjohnson6]

When is the schedule change / pricing policy update expected to be completed ? Not just some routes but all routes either showing real prices or zero availability

Potential pax need a clear picture of what will and won't operate in order to have confidence to book. Every day the website shows silly prices is a day of zero revenue and customers losing faith in flybe as a competent airline

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by cavokblues

CAA Airport stats are out

Hard to really read anything into them as only two routes without competition

East Midlands - Amsterdam -2483 pax to and from.
Leeds - Heathrow - 990 pax to and from .

Not sure on seat capacity, is it a daily fight between East Midlands and Amsterdam and 12 flights a week each way between Leeds and Heathrow?

EMA / AMS started at the end of April, so assuming there were no cancellations in May, then 62 sectors would give an average load of 40, so a little more than 50% load factor, not so bad I suppose since the route had only been operating for 2 days before the start of the month. The LBA / LHR figure looks diabolical!

[Wycombe]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

Looks like the leased-in Swift Air ATR had a turn-back shortly after departing BHD for LBA this morning.

Its flying again today (albeit delayed out of BHD) so whatever the issue was can't have been too major.

The Marathon E175 looks to consistently operate to schedule :-)

[BA318]

Twitter

so all that unprofessional speculation was pretty accurate…

[cavokblues]

Originally Posted by BA318

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status...SKH8JwmsSz4eyw

so all that unprofessional speculation was pretty accurate…

Yet the Leeds - Heathrow route remains. I would say there are bigger markets in those cut routes than flying, on average, 10 pax, down to London from Yorkshire twice a day.

[BA318]

Originally Posted by cavokblues

Yet the Leeds - Heathrow route remains. I would say there are bigger markets in those cut routes than flying, on average, 10 pax, down to London from Yorkshire twice a day.

LBA-LHR has been cut to daily.

[BA318]

We'll operate the routes below during Summer 2022, but at a reduced frequency:

• Belfast City to Birmingham, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester and Southampton
  
• Birmingham to Edinburgh and Glasgow
  

We will no longer operate the route below during Summer 2022:

• Belfast City to Aberdeen, Inverness and Newcastle
  
• Birmingham to Aberdeen
  

A message from Dave Pflieger, CEO.

Due to late aircraft deliveries, we must reduce our planned flight schedule from 28 July to 29 October 2022,

This is not a decision we’ve have taken lightly, and as you would expect we are in daily conversations with all involved to see if anything might change that would allow us to resume our original plans at an earlier date. It is essential that we take action now to ensure you have enough time to change your travel plans, be reaccommodated on a different flight or, if that is not desired, obtain a full refund.

The statement can be found here: https://www.flybe.com/en/support/summer2022

[davidjohnson6]

What happens to the aircraft being leased in, eg the E175 from Marathon Air ? Termination of lease ?

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

Flybe are trying to operate a route network with too few airframes, which has already resulted in sub chartering to enable them to operate an acceptable level of service on the routes they are running now. Looking at Jethros Fleet List which I appreciate is not "official, but normally pretty accurate, Flybe ought to be taking delivery of three additional Dash 8s, none of which appear to be arriving any time soon at BHX. All the routes that "SeanM" has highlighted are yet to start, so it looks very much as though they have information internally as to the likely timescales for the eventual delivery of these three, and subsequent units and decided that, financially and from a customer service standpoint, delaying the start of these routes is infinitely preferable to throwing money into chartering yet more aircraft in, which is surely not budgeted for.

If this scenario was correct then its hardly a good omen, but better than killing the business with either extra costs, or tarnishing (some might say further tarnishing) the airline's reputation.

I am sure all will become clear in the new few days, possibly weeks.

I wrote this 10 days ago.

After a torrent of posts since it appears to sum up exactly the position, and is a sound, if difficult and embarrassing business decision to have been made.

One assumes they have commitments from the lessors that by the end of July they will have enough equipment to be able to operate the slimmed down programme without the current subchartered equipment.

[Wycombe]

1 more airframe should be operational soon, when it's back from Malta.

There are also 2 more apparently that are close to service entry, but these will be needed to fly the increases that haven't been cut as a result of todays announcement. For example, BHD to EMA and MAN which start tomorrow. I understand the current lease-in's will be ended as these deliveries take place (or can be extended if they don't)

[BusterHot]

Very unfortunate that Flybe have had to make these decisions, however it's a testament to good management at v2 that they're making big changes now rather than tickle around the edges.

I’m sorry, but I beg to differ. When I was offered the chance to do some training for them in Jan 2021 to help the crews get back to currency, talking to some people working for the Administrators the prospective management hadn’t got a clue what was going on. Fast forward a year and we see the quite frankly amazing route structure and you’ve got to wonder what kind of long term plan these people have other than to make a quick buck and head for the hills.

All those ex Flybe D8’s, of which I flew every last one of them, have been sitting around for 2 years now and if the “Management” are so damn good, why haven’t they been delivered in order to meet the schedule.? I personally believe it’s sheer incompetence, but no doubt Bean or Air Southwest will be along anytime soon to tell me I haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about and I don’t have the “big picture”.

[ATNotts]

BusterHot,

Appreciate your points, however there are shortages of parts for vehicles and many sectors currently and it is very possible that the problems causing delays in delivery of the expected airframes stem from such an issue.

As for the route structure, aside from the LHR routes they are, so far pretty logical.

[SWBKCB]

Appreciate your points, however there are shortages of parts for vehicles and many sectors currently and it is very possible that the problems causing delays in delivery of the expected airframes stem from such an issue.

Which has been widely reported for months...

[TartinTon]

Originally Posted by BusterHot

Very unfortunate that Flybe have had to make these decisions, however it's a testament to good management at v2 that they're making big changes now rather than tickle around the edges.

All those ex Flybe D8’s, of which I flew every last one of them, have been sitting around for 2 years now and if the “Management” are so damn good, why haven’t they been delivered in order to meet the schedule.? I personally believe it’s sheer incompetence, but no doubt Bean or Air Southwest will be along anytime soon to tell me I haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about and I don’t have the “big picture”.

Probably because of what you just said. They've been sitting around for 2 years in not exactly hot and dry locations (Saarbrucken/Weeze) and the lessors haven't been taking remedial care of them hence the ridiculous amount of time required to get the hulls back into airworthy shape.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by TartinTon

Probably because of what you just said. They've been sitting around for 2 years in not exactly hot and dry locations (Saarbrucken/Weeze) and the lessors haven't been taking remedial care of them hence the ridiculous amount of time required to get the hulls back into airworthy shape.

I think the problem is more around how the issue has been dealt with - why wasn't it spotted earlier and steps taken? Weren't we told that the frames being returned to service had been picked to be the best of the bunch?