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Loganair extending their LCY to DND service to Kirkwall twice weekly from 4th April 2023.
Loganair bolsters Orkney schedule welcoming first ever London service
Loganair bolsters Orkney schedule welcoming first ever London service
Snow started here about 7pm Sunday, and LCY seemed to shut operations soon after, didn't restart until around 9am Monday, although the snowfall had ceased by midnight.
Now LCY has a range of snowfighting kit, including a rotary runway sweeper. It's a noisy so-and-so, whose distant howl is audible more than a mile away when in use, and is a traditional sure sign that it's started snowing outside. But last night was silence. One does wonder what was missing that led to the extended shutdown.
Now LCY has a range of snowfighting kit, including a rotary runway sweeper. It's a noisy so-and-so, whose distant howl is audible more than a mile away when in use, and is a traditional sure sign that it's started snowing outside. But last night was silence. One does wonder what was missing that led to the extended shutdown.
Eurostar is in significant constraints for various reasons, and is limited to a reduced schedule at high prices to Paris, Lille, Brussels, Amsterdam and a ski train. They have communicated very publicly 3 months ago that they are not doing anything more than the basics for all of 2023. Direct trains from London to anywhere like Avignon are not happening for some time.
I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon. It was traditionally flown by Cityjet who have substantially left LCY... there now appears to be a clear gap in the market for S23. And no, I don't believe London-Marseille or Birmingham-Avignon are sufficiently strong competitors to prevent a City-Avignon route from being profitable
I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon. It was traditionally flown by Cityjet who have substantially left LCY... there now appears to be a clear gap in the market for S23. And no, I don't believe London-Marseille or Birmingham-Avignon are sufficiently strong competitors to prevent a City-Avignon route from being profitable
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The more relevant potential from LCY seems to be Paris and Brussels. Yes, Eurostar have for some unexpected reason reduced their "service" to a notably high-priced poor one compared to pre-Covid, and in particular abandoning their stations across Kent, which means that LCY becomes more convenient for those south of the Thames than getting to St Pancras train station.
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Eurostar is in significant constraints for various reasons, and is limited to a reduced schedule at high prices to Paris, Lille, Brussels, Amsterdam and a ski train. They have communicated very publicly 3 months ago that they are not doing anything more than the basics for all of 2023. Direct trains from London to anywhere like Avignon are not happening for some time.
I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon. It was traditionally flown by Cityjet who have substantially left LCY... there now appears to be a clear gap in the market for S23. And no, I don't believe London-Marseille or Birmingham-Avignon are sufficiently strong competitors to prevent a City-Avignon route from being profitable
I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon. It was traditionally flown by Cityjet who have substantially left LCY... there now appears to be a clear gap in the market for S23. And no, I don't believe London-Marseille or Birmingham-Avignon are sufficiently strong competitors to prevent a City-Avignon route from being profitable
Eurostar is in significant constraints for various reasons, and is limited to a reduced schedule at high prices to Paris, Lille, Brussels, Amsterdam and a ski train. They have communicated very publicly 3 months ago that they are not doing anything more than the basics for all of 2023. Direct trains from London to anywhere like Avignon are not happening for some time.
I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon. It was traditionally flown by Cityjet who have substantially left LCY... there now appears to be a clear gap in the market for S23. And no, I don't believe London-Marseille or Birmingham-Avignon are sufficiently strong competitors to prevent a City-Avignon route from being profitable
I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon. It was traditionally flown by Cityjet who have substantially left LCY... there now appears to be a clear gap in the market for S23. And no, I don't believe London-Marseille or Birmingham-Avignon are sufficiently strong competitors to prevent a City-Avignon route from being profitable
I read some months ago that Eurostar capacity from St Pancras was / is restricted by the increased border checks following Brexit, the screening area not being large enough. I don't know if the same problems exist at Little and Gare du Nord.
"I read some months ago that Eurostar capacity from St Pancras was / is restricted by the increased border checks following Brexit"
No but it does seem to take longer
they've gradually been restoring the frequency of departures post covid. If you're travelling Business Paris is now much smarter than St Pancras - and they've finally cleaned up the touts at Gare du Nord.
"I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon" - overall I believe the attraction of travelling to second homes etc has taken a beating due to Brexit & Covid. there are several routes that had served that market but few of them seem to have been restored so far
No but it does seem to take longer
they've gradually been restoring the frequency of departures post covid. If you're travelling Business Paris is now much smarter than St Pancras - and they've finally cleaned up the touts at Gare du Nord.
"I'm wondering why no airline at London City (or any London-area airport) has announced a route to Avignon" - overall I believe the attraction of travelling to second homes etc has taken a beating due to Brexit & Covid. there are several routes that had served that market but few of them seem to have been restored so far
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I wondered just how valid that claim was, since at Eurotunnel in both Folkestone and Calais the time taken to clear formalities appears little different than before.
I wondered just how valid that claim was, since at Eurotunnel in both Folkestone and Calais the time taken to clear formalities appears little different than before.
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Eurostar's CEO seems to think it's a valid claim: https://twitter.com/EurostarJustinp/...495041/photo/1
I honestly think it's an excuse for inadequate staffing, even at pre-Covid levels, but it's a handy one that trips off the tongue and doesn't seem to get challenged. Same at some airports. The purpose of a CEO is to portray their company in a positive light, not to report inconvenient truths.
This is veering well off topic, but I have never used Eurostar since, if you live more than about 50 miles north of London, it makes little sense but the only way I could see that Brexit could impact their St Pancras operation would be if French (EU) border controls were being carried at at St Pancras before boarding the train. Is that how it works? I actually fail to understand why border controls in both direction couldn't be carried out by officers on board the trains - that's how it used to be done across Europe in my Inter-Railing days (very!) pre Schengen and it seemed to work fine then.
Eurostar immigration checks are done prior to boarding the train. Those travelling from London clear French/Schengen inbound immigration at St Pancras. Those travelling to London clear Schengen outbound and UK inbound immigration in Brussels, Lille or Paris. There is no routine checking of passports by immigration/police on Eurostar trains or on arrival at any stations. This has been the case for a number of years.
Pre-Brexit, Schengen immigration could check only that UK passports were valid - EU freedom of movement prohibited questioning of UK citizens on things like verification of sufficient funds. Post-Brexit, Schengen immigration is *entitled* to check additional items - although this typically happens only if a passenger seems dubious or suspicious. It is worth noting that Schengen arrivals with a non-EU passport will need to be fingerprinted from 2023, which takes additional time. St Pancras departure area is limited on space, so passengers-per-hour processing capacity will be significantly reduced, hence fewer trains can be operated.
The result is that Paris, Lille and Brussels take priority for Eurostar, and London-Avignon trains do not run, leaving a gap in the market for an airline to fly London (City?)-Avignon
Pre-Brexit, Schengen immigration could check only that UK passports were valid - EU freedom of movement prohibited questioning of UK citizens on things like verification of sufficient funds. Post-Brexit, Schengen immigration is *entitled* to check additional items - although this typically happens only if a passenger seems dubious or suspicious. It is worth noting that Schengen arrivals with a non-EU passport will need to be fingerprinted from 2023, which takes additional time. St Pancras departure area is limited on space, so passengers-per-hour processing capacity will be significantly reduced, hence fewer trains can be operated.
The result is that Paris, Lille and Brussels take priority for Eurostar, and London-Avignon trains do not run, leaving a gap in the market for an airline to fly London (City?)-Avignon
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Thanks, that explains it.
Thanks, that explains it.
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This is veering well off topic, but I have never used Eurostar since, if you live more than about 50 miles north of London, it makes little sense but the only way I could see that Brexit could impact their St Pancras operation would be if French (EU) border controls were being carried at at St Pancras before boarding the train. Is that how it works? I actually fail to understand why border controls in both direction couldn't be carried out by officers on board the trains - that's how it used to be done across Europe in my Inter-Railing days (very!) pre Schengen and it seemed to work fine then.
In terms of the Brexit impact the main difference is that you are having to get your passport stamped by the French border official rather than them taking a cursory glance at it
Now that we all have a better understanding about the current and future impact of Brexit on the Eurostar... would anyone care to comment on a London City - Avignon route (or to anywhere else in regional France similiar to 10 years ago) being revived ?
Maybe also a Disney-branded travel tie-in route to serve Disneyland Paris as well ? Cabin crew wearing mouse ears, kids get free on-board toy gift, etc... all for a higher fare.... let your fluffy inner marketing persona run wild... you get the idea
Maybe also a Disney-branded travel tie-in route to serve Disneyland Paris as well ? Cabin crew wearing mouse ears, kids get free on-board toy gift, etc... all for a higher fare.... let your fluffy inner marketing persona run wild... you get the idea
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Sorry for the further thread drift but to return to Eurostar I think an additional concern is the introduction of the ETIAS visa in late 2023.
EU's Entry & Exit System May Bring Logistical Concerns, Several UK Firms Warn - SchengenVisaInfo.com
The article suggests that accommodating the new machines will lead to space constraints and logistical challenges at ports like Dover and within the confines of St Pancras.
I suspect there is an element of "they would say that wouldn't they" here. Also the article was much earlier in the year so things may have moved on but I have a recollection this was cited as a reason for delaying the reintroduction of Ashford and some of the lower frequency routes.
EU's Entry & Exit System May Bring Logistical Concerns, Several UK Firms Warn - SchengenVisaInfo.com
The article suggests that accommodating the new machines will lead to space constraints and logistical challenges at ports like Dover and within the confines of St Pancras.
I suspect there is an element of "they would say that wouldn't they" here. Also the article was much earlier in the year so things may have moved on but I have a recollection this was cited as a reason for delaying the reintroduction of Ashford and some of the lower frequency routes.