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Originally Posted by BA318
The Embraer E195E2 is expected into LCY on Friday.
We also had the silly (and it is) "Profit Hunter" logoed E190 come in four years ago after the last Farnborough in 2018 - presumably this is a different airframe rather than a cut-and-shut job on the previous one.
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Originally Posted by WHBM
The Embraer E190E2 has been seen at LCY daily for some time, operated by Helvetic on behalf of Swiss; the difference with the E195 seems to be just another three seat rows. It also has extended wingtips, which I guess restricts it to only the newer eastern gates at LCY, unlike the current Embraer fleets. This is not insignificant, because the established western gates have the nicely rebuilt pier, with a range of pleasant catering concessions and seating, whereas the eastern pier is a pretty poor, temporary-feeling (as you can tell from the bouncing floor), featureless grey corridor that one is regularly expected to queue in.
We also had the silly (and it is) "Profit Hunter" logoed E190 come in four years ago after the last Farnborough in 2018 - presumably this is a different airframe rather than a cut-and-shut job on the previous one.
We also had the silly (and it is) "Profit Hunter" logoed E190 come in four years ago after the last Farnborough in 2018 - presumably this is a different airframe rather than a cut-and-shut job on the previous one.
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
I was always told the reason 195 v1 wasn't certified was something to do about the risks of tail strikes? Isn't that still a risk on the E2 version?
I must say I never quite got why Embraer offered no less than four different fuselage lengths on the Embraer simultaneously, with E170/175/190/195. Seemed a lot of certification complexity and non-standardisation, particularly for secondhand and re-leasing values. Surely two would have been enough.
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Yeah, it is slightly strange they offered four versions. Could never quite understand the logic myself.
Regarding BACF - my (probably out of date now) understanding was the Scope agreement with the unions means they cannot fly aircraft with more than 100 seats (hence the reason their 190s are marked SR - Seating Restriction - and limited to 98 seats. If that's still in force there is no need for the 195 and the extra capacity. To be honest, I think the 190 is pretty perfect for them anyway, you would probably see the 190 E2 more than anything.
Regarding BACF - my (probably out of date now) understanding was the Scope agreement with the unions means they cannot fly aircraft with more than 100 seats (hence the reason their 190s are marked SR - Seating Restriction - and limited to 98 seats. If that's still in force there is no need for the 195 and the extra capacity. To be honest, I think the 190 is pretty perfect for them anyway, you would probably see the 190 E2 more than anything.
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Yeah, it is slightly strange they offered four versions. Could never quite understand the logic myself.
Regarding BACF - my (probably out of date now) understanding was the Scope agreement with the unions means they cannot fly aircraft with more than 100 seats (hence the reason their 190s are marked SR - Seating Restriction - and limited to 98 seats. If that's still in force there is no need for the 195 and the extra capacity. To be honest, I think the 190 is pretty perfect for them anyway, you would probably see the 190 E2 more than anything.
Regarding BACF - my (probably out of date now) understanding was the Scope agreement with the unions means they cannot fly aircraft with more than 100 seats (hence the reason their 190s are marked SR - Seating Restriction - and limited to 98 seats. If that's still in force there is no need for the 195 and the extra capacity. To be honest, I think the 190 is pretty perfect for them anyway, you would probably see the 190 E2 more than anything.
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Yeah, it is slightly strange they offered four versions. Could never quite understand the logic myself.
Regarding BACF - my (probably out of date now) understanding was the Scope agreement with the unions means they cannot fly aircraft with more than 100 seats (hence the reason their 190s are marked SR - Seating Restriction - and limited to 98 seats. If that's still in force there is no need for the 195 and the extra capacity. To be honest, I think the 190 is pretty perfect for them anyway, you would probably see the 190 E2 more than anything.
Regarding BACF - my (probably out of date now) understanding was the Scope agreement with the unions means they cannot fly aircraft with more than 100 seats (hence the reason their 190s are marked SR - Seating Restriction - and limited to 98 seats. If that's still in force there is no need for the 195 and the extra capacity. To be honest, I think the 190 is pretty perfect for them anyway, you would probably see the 190 E2 more than anything.
The British Airways / Sun Air service to Billund returned today on the Do328 Jet, I wonder if there's enough of a market with competition from er.....British Airways at LHR at a *MUCH* lower price point.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
The British Airways / Sun Air service to Billund returned today on the Do328 Jet, I wonder if there's enough of a market with competition from er.....British Airways at LHR at a *MUCH* lower price point.
Starting to duplicate on LGW too, they always done this
Originally Posted by tictack67
BA compete/Duplicate on over 13 routed from LCY and LHR with price variations.
Starting to duplicate on LGW too, they always done this
Starting to duplicate on LGW too, they always done this
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
The lowest ex LCY is 5-6 times the equivalent entry level LHR fare, it's an all Business Class service out of LCY with Sun Air so it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. Time will tell.
They have a very loyal following and they know their crowd - point to point business traffic. The rest can take the BA LHR flight.
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The Sun Air/BA flight to Billund has run for many years, back to the turboprop Dornier times before the current jet. Sun Air are local there and seem to know their market.
The BA Heathrow flight get back there after 10pm, some days after 11pm. By the time you have got your bags, good luck getting anywhere other than in a taxi. Sun Air run at key business times morning and evening.
The BA Heathrow flight get back there after 10pm, some days after 11pm. By the time you have got your bags, good luck getting anywhere other than in a taxi. Sun Air run at key business times morning and evening.
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Originally Posted by V_2
SR stands for Short Runway
The BACF 190SRs, are no better or worse on a short runway, than any other 190 that lands at LCY. And Lufthansa, KLM, Helvetic, LOT, TAP don't have SR aircraft.
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Above is a screenshot from a cockpit video on youtube of an A220 flight into LCY. Note the aircraft types painted on the ground.
A320???
Does LCY know something the the rest of the world doesn't?
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That is interesting. Also interesting to see the A220 300 there, which would be good to see operating at LCY.
Is the A320 out of the realms of possibility? We know the steep approach software can be put in because they did it on the A318. The A320 is significantly shorter than the E295 and it has proven takeoff performance out of Santos Dumont's shorter runway. Would the slightly longer wingspan cause issues?
Who could operate A320's into LCY?
Is the A320 out of the realms of possibility? We know the steep approach software can be put in because they did it on the A318. The A320 is significantly shorter than the E295 and it has proven takeoff performance out of Santos Dumont's shorter runway. Would the slightly longer wingspan cause issues?
Who could operate A320's into LCY?
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Originally Posted by RA85684
That is interesting. Also interesting to see the A220 300 there, which would be good to see operating at LCY.
Is the A320 out of the realms of possibility? We know the steep approach software can be put in because they did it on the A318. The A320 is significantly shorter than the E295 and it has proven takeoff performance out of Santos Dumont's shorter runway. Would the slightly longer wingspan cause issues?
Who could operate A320's into LCY?
Is the A320 out of the realms of possibility? We know the steep approach software can be put in because they did it on the A318. The A320 is significantly shorter than the E295 and it has proven takeoff performance out of Santos Dumont's shorter runway. Would the slightly longer wingspan cause issues?
Who could operate A320's into LCY?
It's the E290 that flies to LCY, not the longer E295. If the Airbus A320 was a serious contender then surely BA would be the first to evaluate one, but they never did. Even the A319 would be decidedly large for the extended Eastern apron.
