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Old 3rd Jul 2023, 20:14
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If the zoomed in picture above is correct, there appears to be a walkway planned to Sat 1.
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Old 3rd Jul 2023, 20:45
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The terminal could also be extended out as far as the current transit rail tracks. The pier connection to satellite 1 will be two storey for arriving and departing passengers. The area below what is now the transit area could be a lower link directly from piers satellites 1 and 2 to immigration and the baggage hall.

So am I correct in assuming the plan remains the same as regards to the original extension plans. The new extension will be for arrivals similar to the original plans for the block extension. Is the current arrivals area moving to the new extension or just being enlarged. If the arrivals area is indeed moving to the extension will the departure lounge be extended into what is now the arrivals area.

No mention of a satellite 4 which I'm really surprised about. But otherwise I like the idea of extending the current terminal rather than adding an ugly block extension. I personally think that having a pier connection to satellite 1 will be a good thing and will potentially eleviate bottlenecks during peak periods. Only downside is, it will more than likely be quite a long walk to and from satellite 1.

Unless the transit does remain in situ but purely for arriving passengers. Which I don't think would happen but just putting it out there just in case 😉

When the terminal was last extended in around 2008 I can vividly remember the difference in the colour of the ceiling compared to the rest of the building. The smoke ban had been in place for several years before that last extension and you can clearly see the difference in the colour of the ceiling. I can remember visiting STN shortly after the opening of the terminal in 1991 and being impressed with how bright, white and gleaming the entire building was.

The whole ceiling if at all possible due to it's material needs a complete clean and makeover. My eye's always seem to immediately stare at the state of the terminal ceiling whenever I enter the building. The difference is going to look even more obvious with a further extension to the terminal. I always thought that the during the time of the pandemic it would have been an ideal time to have had the opportunity to have cleaned the ceiling.

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Old 3rd Jul 2023, 20:50
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Originally Posted by JW95
If the TTS is going, this will be similar to what happened with the original transit at LGW, which connected the South Terminal to the satellite in the 80s before being replaced by a walkway around the early 2000s. This will mean a long walk for passengers using satellite 1!
The TTS at LGW was replaced in the early 2000s with the current two level walkway because of circumstances not necessarily through choice.
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Old 3rd Jul 2023, 21:39
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The TTS will be going. A proposed date has been said to be around 18 months before decommissioning starts.
Heavy bussing operations will then take place to get passengers to the SATS.
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Old 3rd Jul 2023, 23:01
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Would it be easily possible to open up access to the entirety of Sat 2 from the terminal to avoid the need for buses?
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Old 3rd Jul 2023, 23:22
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The new extension will host a bigger departure lounge, extended immigration and baggage reclaim and the shoreline check-in completed along the front. The domestic arrivals reclaim I guess will give way to the expanded security area and move into the extension. There was a plan some years back I recall that they'd do away with the domestic passenger route and instead all domestic arrivals be bussed, making Satellite 2 a full length international pier. Those that don't know, the domestic lounge (Gates 80-88) in Satellite 2 is actually on the arrivals level of the building. The departures level up in the green glass area above is dead space. If they're building a split level skylink they'd surely have to do something with that space as it would be impossible to get to the main level international (Gates 20-39) without the TTS. Not to mention it's also by far the shoddiest part of the airport. I agree also with the earlier comments about the ceiling in the main terminal, it's been in dire need of deep cleaning for years. You can see on the forecourt where it's much cleaner as part of it was replaced following that unfortuneate incident with the bus fire a few years back. The whole terminal in general needs a good spruce up, it's miserably old and dreary nevermind hatefully overcrowded. Certainly not what Norman Foster originally designed. Hopefully this is the investment it finally needs.
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 00:43
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
Those that don't know, the domestic lounge (Gates 80-88) in Satellite 2 is actually on the arrivals level of the building. The departures level up in the green glass area above is dead space.
Why's it deadspace? I know you can boad international flights from 80-88 so I guess they never board them from upstairs? Has that always been the case?
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 05:34
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Any estimates for how long an approval process might take, assuming nothing goes terribly wrong ?
Are there any sort of timescales for construction, once approved ?
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 07:42
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a bigger busier STNÖ? thats all we need, its horrific as it is thank you
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 09:18
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STN

Don't use it then Mr Viscount there are many others in the London/South East area to chose from.
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 09:42
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Why's it deadspace? I know you can boad international flights from 80-88 so I guess they never board them from upstairs? Has that always been the case?
The dead space known locally at Stansted as the non fit out area is the overhead space above gate 81-88. Originally planned to be fitted out and used fully by BAA but never done for numerous reasons. MAG then also has not look to fit out the area to. In the last plans for Stansted along with the arrivals terminal SAT2 would have had a total refit and would have looked something like SAT1. Albeit with a new bridge connected to the main terminal.
If you look at this space from SAT1&3 you can actually see the shells of the escalator that would have been fitted into the building.
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 09:44
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
a bigger busier STNÖ? thats all we need, its horrific as it is thank you
Agree with another comment if you donít like using Stansted then donít. With Stansted ready to face itís busiest summer ever Iím sure 1 less passenger wonít effect this. Also why bother commenting on a Stansted post if you donít like it!
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 09:45
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Any estimates for how long an approval process might take, assuming nothing goes terribly wrong ?
Are there any sort of timescales for construction, once approved ?
We have been told internally that the TTS will beginning to be decommissioned in around 18 months. This is before they have got planning approval and got concrete plans and designs.
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 09:49
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Would it be easily possible to open up access to the entirety of Sat 2 from the terminal to avoid the need for buses?
It is very easy to do this already. If the TTS is done for what ever reason then a contingency route to gate 29-39 is set up via gate 87 which has an internal staircase taking you up stairs to gates 29-39.

From what some have been informed internally the it might not be possible to do this while the initial works goes on as the current bridge to gate 81-88 would need to be removed.
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Old 4th Jul 2023, 12:29
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
a bigger busier STNÖ? thats all we need, its horrific as it is thank you
Go and enjoy the superior Terminal experience at SEN while you can!
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While it pains me to say, the Stansted terminal is in a different league to the tat provided at Luton, at least Stansted’s terminal got finished off.

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Old 5th Jul 2023, 18:08
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Would be good to see more detailed plans along with proper artistís impressions rather than sketches. It reminds me a bit of Manchesterís terminal 2. coincidence?
Iím guessing the satellite buildings will become piers once theyíve been connected via walkways to the terminal. That extension will certainly bring the terminal within spitting distance of satellite 2.

Great news that the shoreline check-in concept will finally be finished.
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 19:22
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Iím hoping the leadership take this opportunity to take STN to a new chapter, rather than the plaster approach taken to date.

The whole place needs knocking down inside, cleaned and rebuilt in a way which gives a better experiance, whilst keeping operating costs down. If they get it right, I think more airlines will come here.

Does this mean they will knock down that awful extension out the front too?
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 20:57
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That’s a hell of a walk from the far end of Satellite One to Baggage reclame.
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 21:57
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Approximately when will the shoreline check in be fully completed and the remaining zones (A-F) be decommissioned? Meanwhile, the plans for the terminal extension sound promising and make sense (a far better idea than what was proposed initially with the arrivals building). It'll be interesting to see how this will impact passenger through-flow going forward, particularly with regards to walking distances to/from satellite 1; I'm guessing MAG will just install multiple travelators just to speed walking times up a bit? LHR for example have this in place from Terminal 2 to the B satellite.

Also, with satellite 2 set to get a new sky bridge once the TTS is phased out, are MAG planning on upgrading the satellite as originally intended? Presumably some re-configuration work on the satellite will be needed at the very least once new walkways to the international level are installed?
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