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Old 5th Apr 2024, 00:47
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Donít forget that Tui are block booking seats on SunExpress to AYT & ADB which explains the lack of Tui metal to AYT for summer 2024 and beyond. The service is featured daily to AYT peak summer 2024.
Yes, I think that gives them an uplift of about 30,000 seats on S23 if I remember rightly. Plus in S23 they had a Titan A320 based for pretty much the whole season whereas this summer is expected to be 2x 738's again on TUI metal.
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Old 13th Apr 2024, 21:01
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Have Stansted gained all of Qatar Cargo and Emirates Skycargo ops from LHR?
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Old 13th Apr 2024, 21:12
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Have Stansted gained all of Qatar Cargo and Emirates Skycargo ops from LHR?
BHX certainly has some Emirates Sky Cargo services, whether on a temporary basic remains to be seen.
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Are there any BACF charters on Saturdays this summer 24 from STN?
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Originally Posted by richardwpprn
Are there any BACF charters on Saturdays this summer 24 from STN?
Are you looking at Saturday in particular?

BACF are operating as in previous years, a weekend seasonal charter flight from STN to Calvi.

BACF are operating seasonal weekend scheduled flights from STN to Florence, Ibiza, and Nice, all of which resume on the 19 May 2024.

These flights are operated on Saturdays and Sundays from STN although I can't confirm which flights operate on which day. I'm sure someone else will clarify that.
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Old 14th Apr 2024, 17:14
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Yes Saturdays. The aircraft from IBZ and NCE arrive early afternoon.
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Short period of runway closure this morning for repairs. I believe RYR diversions were to x1 LTN, x3 EMA & x3 LGW.
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Old 17th Apr 2024, 12:48
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Lufthansa

Does anyone know whether LH are planning on continuing their STN-MUC flights? (They've disappeared off the STN wikipedia webpage; previously listed as seasonal). Hope they haven't left the airport completely.
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 13:19
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BA CityFlyer has added a new seasonal route to Split from 7th September:

https://www.headforpoints.com/2024/0...sted-to-split/

Seems a bit odd this is launching after the summer peak.
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Old 5th May 2024, 13:36
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Hi All,

Unsure if anyone on the thread has seen this, but for the benefit of those who haven't- Pascall and Watson have recently updated their pages to include some more info on STN's terminal extension project, including a CGI video showing a bit more of what the extension will look like upon completion

Link available here
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Terminal plans

Yep that's been available to see for a while.

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Originally Posted by JW95
Hi All,

Unsure if anyone on the thread has seen this, but for the benefit of those who haven't- Pascall and Watson have recently updated their pages to include some more info on STN's terminal extension project, including a CGI video showing a bit more of what the extension will look like upon completion

Link available here
Well that made my day and many thanks for sharing my good friend.

It's a shame though that it wasn't posted here on pprune sooner considering that others were aware of the fact that it's been available for a while.

Especially as your goodself only asked about it here on this thread only a few weeks ago. 🙄

The CGI video gives a great impression of what the terminal layout will look like but one thing that struck me was the fact that the maintenance building for the transit is still in position.

I still can't understand why a Satellite 4 is not part of the redeveloped terminal project. But once completed it will definitely make the whole experience of travelling through STN very different in many respects than previously.

I look forward to seeing this project progress as it moves forward.
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Old 5th May 2024, 18:47
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Terminal transformation

Wasnít expecting immigration to be relocated. But the plans look good at least. Letís hope they follow through and the outcome is a good one and not a disappointment as has happened elsewhere.
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Old 5th May 2024, 19:17
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Wasnít expecting immigration to be relocated. But the plans look good at least. Letís hope they follow through and the outcome is a good one and not a disappointment as has happened elsewhere.
I totally agree with you regarding the relocation of immigration. Your not alone, I'm sure others didn't expect that either. But with the extra space made available by the terminal extension and the new pier layout it makes absolute sense to relocate it to the lower level.

I had actually thought of that scenario myself whilst thinking about it when the original concept drawings were released.

I'm very impressed by what I see and as you say hopefully it all goes to plan.

There is going to be so much more space available just by this extension, and the airport will be transformed by it in so many ways. It will definitely be an interesting few years watching how this redevelopment progresses.


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Having seen the video, it definitely addresses some vast improvements within the main Terminal building especially around check-in, security and the IDL, as well as baggage reclaim and immigration on arrival.

The decommissioning of the TTS, whilst it'll increase walking times, is definitely a bonus. Not to mention it's issues with maintenance and general aging (TTS breakdown isn't exactly an uncommon occurrence), it's also a huge capacity bottleneck in various ways. The question for me is what will happen to the below ground space within the Satellites? Will it lie dormant or could it be used for back of house eg. new handling agent offices/OCCs or storage?

One pitfall for me is landside arrivals which looks largely unchanged. That area is carnage even now so at 43mppa I dread to think. The only way I can see that improving is building a mezzanine level above for the retail areas or shifting them down towards the new space created at shoreline check-in. The previous arrivals terminal proposal before Covid better addressed this. Another issue as well is the forecourt in front of the Terminal which again looks largely unchanged. By then though it'll probably be £30 drop off so less people will use it anyway!

The vast area overlooked is the existing Satellites. They're barely big enough even now and have a lot of inefficiency in their gate set-up. The new Emirates lounge in Sat 1 between Gates 5/6 and 11/12 is a big space burden that will impact boarding capability for any future long-haul growth. That lounge should be located ideally either in the main Terminal extension or embedded somewhere along the new departure level link towards Sat 1 once STN-TP is delivered. There's then also a new orientation space needed once the TTS goes as the departing passenger point-of-entry into Sat 1 will move from the centre to the southern end of the Satellite between Gates 1 and 3 (which if anybody's been up there is not a big space at all).

Since domestic arrivals would turn into a bussing drop off near the existing CTA arrivals area, the current domestic area in Sat 2 (Gates 80-88) would be no longer needed as such, effectively bringing Sat 2 into a fully international facility. The plant room in what should be the main departure gates area above will inevitably need bringing into some level of use to maintain separation between departing and intl arriving passengers. Once the TTS goes the walkway from the Terminal into Sat 2 will need split level access through what's now the domestic area in order to reach Sat 2 Gates 20-39. Without that those Sat 2 stands would effectively become semi-remote stands with bussing needed in at least one direction of passenger flow.

Then there's Sat 3 and Sat 4 (or apparent lack of). This initial proposal at least seems to favour a bussing terminal over Sat 4 but I see two major issues with that. One is servicing short turnarounds on remote and the copious amount of bussing that will require all day long (not just for first wave like the current APV Gates 90-93 are used for) alongside all CTA and future domestic flights that need bussing. The second issue is aircraft upgauges with Ryanair Max10s and Jet2 321neos each with c230 pax being the future norm. Sat 3 will probably struggle with that and bussing those volumes of passengers will increase opex costs and impact OTP exponentially. For that reason alone I think Sat 4 will happen but maybe at a slightly later date.

The other thing I suppose is the naming of "Satellites" which I guess we'll have to start calling "Piers". Technically even now Sat 1 is the only true "Satellite".
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
Well that made my day and many thanks for sharing my good friend.

It's a shame though that it wasn't posted here on pprune sooner considering that others were aware of the fact that it's been available for a while.

Especially as your goodself only asked about it here on this thread only a few weeks ago. 🙄

The CGI video gives a great impression of what the terminal layout will look like but one thing that struck me was the fact that the maintenance building for the transit is still in position.

I still can't understand why a Satellite 4 is not part of the redeveloped terminal project. But once completed it will definitely make the whole experience of travelling through STN very different in many respects than previously.

I look forward to seeing this project progress as it moves forward.
no worries at all my friend, and always a pleasure to hear from you I agree- it is frustrating that people had supposedly known about this being made available beforehand when I had previously put the question out to the thread re. More info on the terminal transformation project a few weeks back 🤦‍♂️

Based on the video and the general info, I have a few points:

ē The immigration/arrivals hall is supposedly being relocated to the lower level, but where exactly is this? (STNís terminal is single level only, so where is the space that consists of this ďlower levelĒ to be able to accommodate the new immigration hall). Iím assuming itíll (hopefully) be bigger than the current facility?

ē Satellites: no mention at all on whether there is any work (modernisation) due to be carried out for satellites 2 and 3. I think pre-Covid, there was a programme in place to modernise satellite 2 to similar standards of satellite 1- there is a web page somewhere confirming this. However, this was either put on hold or scrapped, and since then, there has been no info on what MAG plan on doing to update the passenger gate areas in the satellites.

ē satellite 4: like you, Iím genuinely surprised there isnít a fourth satellite featured in the TTP, considering STN has been the fastest recovering airport in London as far as pre-pandemic passenger volumes are concerned. It is busier now that ever before, so Iím mystified as to why MAG have chosen not to invest in more gate areas and facilities?

ē transit maintenance building: agreed, Iím not sure why this is still be retained, considering there will no longer be a TTS once the project is completed?

I too hope that MAG will actually stick to this plan and deliver upon it, while focusing on improving the passenger experience at STN. The airport has always had great infrastructure and a nice, modern, airy terminal building, but sadly MAG made a real pigs ear of the first transformation project (2013-2015) when they took over, so Iím hoping that this time, the terminal extension can be used to showcase improvements for the passenger Will also be interesting to see what walking times will be like with the new skylinks in place to/from SAT 1 and SAT 2.
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ē The immigration/arrivals hall is supposedly being relocated to the lower level, but where exactly is this? (STNís terminal is single level only, so where is the space that consists of this ďlower levelĒ to be able to accommodate the new immigration hall). Iím assuming itíll (hopefully) be bigger than the current facility?
I believe this would be entirely within the new 3-bay extension to the rear of the building.

Regarding Satellites I have largely the same observations, see my previous post above.

The other point as well is whether anything will happen within the existing IDL layout, particularly duty free and the yellow brick road of retail that follows. Both are congested now and surely more space will be needed here before reaching the extended area after it.

It's certainly looking that keeping security where it used to be many years ago in the central area of the Terminal may have worked out better in the long run. In that case, shoreline check-in could be extended even further, make way for a bigger landside arrival area and check-in would flow seamlessly into security and into departures, much like the T2 or T5 design at LHR. Might've been a good time to do that with the new security technology coming in if things got into action sooner.
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I believe this would be entirely within the new 3-bay extension to the rear of the building.

Regarding Satellites I have largely the same observations, see my previous post above.

The other point as well is whether anything will happen within the existing IDL layout, particularly duty free and the yellow brick road of retail that follows. Both are congested now and surely more space will be needed here before reaching the extended area after it.

It's certainly looking that keeping security where it used to be many years ago in the central area of the Terminal may have worked out better in the long run. In that case, shoreline check-in could be extended even further, make way for a bigger landside arrival area and check-in would flow seamlessly into security and into departures, much like the T2 or T5 design at LHR. Might've been a good time to do that with the new security technology coming in if things got into action sooner.
I agree with you. I still think it was a mistake for MAG to relocate security from its previous central location to its current position towards the west end of the terminal and in my opinion should have been left where it was. At the time (2013), MAG stated that the main reason for the relocation was to increase the size of the departure lounge by using space freed up by the old security area and shifting the landslide-airside boundary. To relocate security back to where it was previously would eat into space currently occupied by the walk through duty free and retail and essentially require a complete remodelling of the departure lounge back to something similar to what existed when BAA owned STN- on top of the proposed terminal extension. Personally, I feel that this is highly unlikely, as MAG seem happy to force passengers through the walkthrough duty free and endless retail outlets. But based on what the video currently shows, it'll be interesting to see how the IDL changes following the extension. You're absolutely right in that congestion has become an issue since the terminal was reconfigured, and I don't know how MAG plan on addressing this, particularly around the walkthrough duty free and yellow brick road retail passenger route.

I also agree that congestion in the (relatively small and tucked away) international arrivals area is a big problem currently, and will only get worse. I'm amazed that this is seemingly not being addressed in the project, because what is currently happening is that the area can no longer cope with current passenger volumes, and a lot of this spills over into the check in area, which in turn creates more congestion there as well.

Although I do see the benefit in the existing TTS going, I do think this will undoubtably create new problems in the form of longer walking times to/from the satellites, particularly satellite 1. I'm sure MAG plan on installing travelators to help speed things up a bit, but I wonder if it would have been better to install a new transit system (similar to what LHR terminal 5 has) rather than new skylinks? If and when satellite 4 gets built, having access via a TTS perhaps would have been better rather than building another bridge to it.

In terms of the existing satellites, it is a shame that there is seemingly nothing being done, especially with new, larger aircraft coming into STN in the future. They are already under strain, and undoubtably this will just get worse when Jet2 and FR start sending in larger 737-MAX10s and A321-NEOs. It is also difficult to see how and where MAG want to accommodate further long haul given current gate space limitations. I also wonder what will happen with existing spaces that will seemingly be going (e.g. gates 81-88 and spaces where the TTS currently stops at gates 1-29).
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SunExpress

New route to Dalaman added from 5th April 2025, increasing up to 5x weekly by 22nd May.

Antalya also increasing from 7x weekly (daily), to 10x weekly.

No flights showing yet for Izmir, Adana or Gaziantep
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Two IB flights from MAD showing in their booking engine for 1st June so in connection with Champions League final one would assume.
Read somewhere else STN has had x20 slot requests.

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