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Old 8th Aug 2023, 15:36
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Moldova is part of the EU's common aviation area, does this give them the same rights as an EU operator? and if it doesn't, do you know there hasn't been an agreement with the CAA?
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 15:56
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Moldova is part of the EU's common aviation area, does this give them the same rights as an EU operator? and if it doesn't, do you know there hasn't been an agreement with the CAA?
I tried looking for the UK-Moldova Air Services agreement on the web - but it seems to have been removed. I've raised a Freedom of Information request to the UK Dept for Transport to see the wording but in the meantime am hoping somebody here might have good knowledge.

The UK-Iceland Air Services agreement does NOT allow EU airlines to fly between the UK and Iceland - hence Niceair being unable to charter Maltese airline HiFly to fly between Iceland and the UK and Niceair eventually going bankrupt. Iceland is more closely integrated with the EU than Moldova (part of Schengen, etc...). More surprising is that HiSky Moldova specifically uses an H7 (HiSky Moldova) IATA code for Moldova-UK and Moldova-Israel flights, but H4 (HiSky Romania) for everything else... which suggests there's a specific need for the Moldovan (and not Romanian) company to be flying to the UK (and Israel)
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 17:23
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You're over complicating things DJ6. It is a wet-lease, pure and simple.

No different to what another Moldovan carrier (Fly One) is doing. All of their flights are operated by wet-leased aircraft of Jordan Aviation, SkyUp and Fly One's Romanian subsidiary.

And, in the year or two before their demise, the majority of Air Moldova's flights to Stansted were operated by a wet-leased Romanian aircraft of Aerro Direkt.

You cannot compare this situation with the proposed Nice Air/HiFly services as there was no wet-lease involved in that arrangement.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 21:52
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New airline, new route - SkyAlps to Bolzano
https://italiavola.com/2023/08/09/sk...ra-a-stansted/
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Old 10th Aug 2023, 15:11
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July 2023

Manchester – 2,996,690 up 14.8%

Stansted – 2,807,150 up 13.5%

East Midlands – 495,214 up 18.7%

Rolling 12m end 31.07.23

Stansted – 26,835,667

Manchester – 26,617,362

East Midlands – 3,600,428



Manchester Airports Group ‘s (MAG) focus on delivering maximum choice and value to passengers drove a strong performance in July, as figures show London Stansted became the first major UK airport to reach pre-pandemic passenger levels.

The airport saw 2.8m passengers pass through its terminal, which was equivalent to 102% of levels seen in July 2019. Last month was the busiest July the airport had ever seen, and the third busiest month in its history.

London Stansted serves more European destinations than any other airport in the UK, offering passengers the choice they look for when booking their summer breaks, business trips or to visit friends and family. It serves as important gateway for visitors to the capital.

This breadth of choice and value is seen across MAG - which also owns and operates Manchester and East Midlands Airports. MAG served 6.3m passengers across the month. Manchester Airport served 2.9m passengers, equivalent to 94% of pre-pandemic levels, and East Midlands Airport served 495,000 passengers, representing 87% of traffic seen in July 2019.

The rolling 12-month passenger total for the Group is now more than 57 million passengers – up 51% on last year.

All three of MAG’s airports have maintained their high levels of service as the summer season has continued. In July 100% of passengers at East Midlands Airport passed through security in 15 minutes or less, the figure was 97% at London Stansted and 96% at Manchester.

In the CAA’s annual Airport Accessibility Report published in July, all three of MAG’s airports received the highest possible ‘very good’ rating from the regulator. The official ratings saw Manchester and London Stansted improve their performance, while East Midlands Airport maintained its rating which saw it rated the Europe’s top-performing airport at The Ozion Accessibility Awards last year.


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Old 10th Aug 2023, 15:25
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME

Rolling 12m end 31.07.23

Stansted Ė 26,835,667

Manchester Ė 26,617,362

East Midlands Ė 3,600,428
So if my eyes are not deceiving me, Stansted has become the U.Kís third busiest airport. Pushing back Manchester (just) to fourth place.
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Old 12th Aug 2023, 12:03
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This is a significant milestone for STN, and I believe this marks the first time Stansted ranks as the UK's third busiest airport after LHR and LGW since 2007/8? Well done MAG!

RE. the terminal extension, I wonder if MAG plan to (finally) install an airside transit security area? Hopefully they would have the space to do this with the departure lounge set to get bigger.
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Old 12th Aug 2023, 12:28
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Originally Posted by JW95
This is a significant milestone for STN, and I believe this marks the first time Stansted ranks as the UK's third busiest airport after LHR and LGW since 2007/8? Well done MAG!

RE. the terminal extension, I wonder if MAG plan to (finally) install an airside transit security area? Hopefully they would have the space to do this with the departure lounge set to get bigger.
Stansted tends to fall back a little over the full calendar year .

That said combined the MAG estate is a success for sure enough.

Think Manchester currently has more movements and the rate of recovery has been remarkable especially in the current wider economic malaise.

Given there are no network carriers present, UK screening and re screening border and security demands, why invest in airside transit facilities , who would use them and pay for their upkeep ?




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Old 12th Aug 2023, 12:53
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Stansted tends to fall back a little over the full calendar year .

That said combined the MAG estate is a success for sure enough.

Think Manchester currently has more movements and the rate of recovery has been remarkable especially in the current wider economic malaise.

Given there are no network carriers present, UK screening and re screening border and security demands, why invest in airside transit facilities , who would use them and pay for their upkeep ?
RE. absence of network carriers - I believe this is something MAG are targeting, in addition to further long haul, aside from Emirates to DXB, so an airside transit facility, even if small, could be beneficial in achieving this. Also, I know that FR did start to launch connecting flights a few years ago from BGY and FCO, and given that STN is their largest base, as well as the fact that passengers do "self connect" from Stansted, this further adds weight for the need for a transit facility, even if it is just a small one. Would certainly save passengers the hassle of having to clear customs and passport control and re-enter the terminal. The current 'flight connections' signage is pretty misleading because of this.
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Old 12th Aug 2023, 17:58
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Originally Posted by JW95
RE. absence of network carriers - I believe this is something MAG are targeting, in addition to further long haul, aside from Emirates to DXB, so an airside transit facility, even if small, could be beneficial in achieving this. Also, I know that FR did start to launch connecting flights a few years ago from BGY and FCO, and given that STN is their largest base, as well as the fact that passengers do "self connect" from Stansted, this further adds weight for the need for a transit facility, even if it is just a small one. Would certainly save passengers the hassle of having to clear customs and passport control and re-enter the terminal. The current 'flight connections' signage is pretty misleading because of this.
Again don’t dispute Harp customers self connect at both MAG airports, however the demands of GB Government Border and security make for an exceptionally poor and very expensive experience to the operator (MAG) to provide the requisite facilities for relatively small numbers when compared to almost any Schengen airport facility. This is compounded by the lack of a genuine hub and spoke carrier that Dublin (none Schengen but CTA )can also deliver.

Whether Lufthansa Group return for a longer stay or an additional desert based carrier enters the fray it remains unlikely to change the balance in any meaningful way.

And for whatever reasons MAG Groups record on TALC carrier retention has been particularly weak in the last few years.

One of the central policies of MAG Group and partner IFE is the maximisation of retail and concessions across Group Businesses in the UK , Australia and the US.
That effectively means generating as much value from each square foot of terminal space.

Whilst it wouldn’t necessary preclude transit facilities it would suggest they are of lower priority in strategic planning, and opportunity cost/investment considerations.

Consider those optics , and the threshold barely reaches “nice to have” territory.

All passengers transiting a UK airport must to be reprocessed to UK Border standards to board an onward flight by statute.






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Old 12th Aug 2023, 19:59
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
New airline, new route - SkyAlps to Bolzano
https://italiavola.com/2023/08/09/sk...ra-a-stansted/
Is this actually going to operate unlike the abortive Gatwick service ?
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Old 12th Aug 2023, 20:07
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Skyalps

Well it's on sale.
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Old 12th Aug 2023, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Keanaga
Well it's on sale.
So was Gatwick

No disrespect It might be an ideal flight for the place due south especially if they had secured the Saturday extension .

Bolzano, Trentino Alto and Sarentino are spectacular however far from cheap !
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 12:36
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Terminal transformation programme

Just came across a report on STN's proposed terminal extension. It confirms what a lot of us already know, including the decommissioning of the existing TTS (interestingly, it mentions that it will only be partially demolished). As well as this:
  • The current bus gate building (gates 90-93) will be removed;
  • The existing walkways connecting satellite 2 (gates 81-88) and satellite 3 will be demolished in favour of 3 new 'skylink' walkways equipped with travelators that will connect the extended terminal to the 3 satellites;
  • A new baggage handing facility will be built to the lefthand side of the terminal building.
So far, nothing mentioned on any other work, including satellite modernisation, however, no doubt this will become clearer once MAG receive planning approval.

According to the report, this is what the proposed terminal reconfiguration will look like upon completion:



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Old 14th Aug 2023, 12:43
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Originally Posted by JW95
Just came across a report on STN's proposed terminal extension. It confirms what a lot of us already know, including the decommissioning of the existing TTS (interestingly, it mentions that it will only be partially demolished). As well as this:
  • The current bus gate building (gates 90-93) will be removed;
  • The existing walkways connecting satellite 2 (gates 81-88) and satellite 3 will be demolished in favour of 3 new 'skylink' walkways equipped with travelators that will connect the extended terminal to the 3 satellites;
  • A new baggage handing facility will be built to the lefthand side of the terminal building.
So far, nothing mentioned on any other work, including satellite modernisation, however, no doubt this will become clearer once MAG receive planning approval.

According to the report, this is what the proposed terminal reconfiguration will look like upon completion:


Yeah most as mentioned before.
The new baggage handling building to the left was new for most people. No mention or rumours of this prior. It will also handle the domestic arrivals within it too.

I doubt any word on changes to the satellites will come until this project gets approved.

Obviously the plans for now are very basic but Iím sure better and clear images will be provided in due course.

If plans are accepted MAG intends to start works from the end of the year.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 13:55
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Originally Posted by STN406
Yeah most as mentioned before.
The new baggage handling building to the left was new for most people. No mention or rumours of this prior. It will also handle the domestic arrivals within it too.

I doubt any word on changes to the satellites will come until this project gets approved.

Obviously the plans for now are very basic but Iím sure better and clear images will be provided in due course.

If plans are accepted MAG intends to start works from the end of the year.
What surprised me is that it mentioned that the TTS will only be partially demolished, what use would the remainder have if the system is going to be replaced with the 3 new skylinks? Hopefully planning permission will be secured soon, as it'll be interesting to see more concrete plans and designs. One thing is for sure- STN is going to need a heck of a lot of buses once the TTS is decommissioned and the existing walkways to SAT2 and SAT 3 are demolished.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 14:46
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Originally Posted by JW95
What surprised me is that it mentioned that the TTS will only be partially demolished, what use would the remainder have if the system is going to be replaced with the 3 new skylinks? Hopefully planning permission will be secured soon, as it'll be interesting to see more concrete plans and designs. One thing is for sure- STN is going to need a heck of a lot of buses once the TTS is decommissioned and the existing walkways to SAT2 and SAT 3 are demolished.
Yes at this stage of the planning it would only be the track directly from in front of the terminal that will be removed. This is likely to do with environmental concerns and itís easier to get planning approval for a small demolition and they tackle the rest later down the line when itís not in use.

Undoubtedly there will be a huge amount of bussing going on for a duration. No idea how this will be done. One of the walkways to SAT2/3 and the APV (Gates 90-93) would probably have to remain for a duration to allow for bussing.
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Originally Posted by STN406
Yes at this stage of the planning it would only be the track directly from in front of the terminal that will be removed. This is likely to do with environmental concerns and itís easier to get planning approval for a small demolition and they tackle the rest later down the line when itís not in use.

Undoubtedly there will be a huge amount of bussing going on for a duration. No idea how this will be done. One of the walkways to SAT2/3 and the APV (Gates 90-93) would probably have to remain for a duration to allow for bussing.
Agreed. On the plus side, the removal of the transit will also finally put an end to passengers getting 'trapped' in satellite 2 due to mistakenly misreading gate information when their flight is boarding from SAT3 for example. I've seen this happen a few times, so it will definitely allow for more flexibility once the new skylink bridges open. However, undoubtably this is also going to result in longer walking times, especially to/from satellite 1. The walk to SAT 3 MAG states is 10 minutes minimum, so I expect this to be longer for SAT1. I wonder what MAG intend to do with the space currently occupied by the transit stations in SAT1 and 2?
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Agreed. On the plus side, the removal of the transit will also finally put an end to passengers getting 'trapped' in satellite 2 due to mistakenly misreading gate information when their flight is boarding from SAT3 for example. I've seen this happen a few times, so it will definitely allow for more flexibility once the new skylink bridges open. However, undoubtably this is also going to result in longer walking times, especially to/from satellite 1. The walk to SAT 3 MAG states is 10 minutes minimum, so I expect this to be longer for SAT1. I wonder what MAG intend to do with the space currently occupied by the transit stations in SAT1 and 2?

Donít really get trapped. They can get escorted back to the departure lounge easy enough.
Also if passengers canít read the signage now to their gates (Which is clear) then whatís gonna stop them doing it in the future.
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I have seen a pax run from Sat2 to Sat1 across the apron with their carry-on bag while an aircraft had pushed back at the bottom of the Bravo apron. Needless to say they didn't get on their aircraft and spent a few hours in a cell!
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