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Old 19th Oct 2022, 08:50
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post

BAA only saw Scots airports as feeders for LHR I'm afraid
Yes and thanks to Air2000 who got rid of the ludicrous only transatlantic can go from PIK, where they flew GLA-PIK-MCO to prove a point.

Now Edi has several USA services as well as daily YYZ
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Old 19th Oct 2022, 12:35
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
"BAA were never able to achieve at their airports in Scotland "

BAA only saw Scots airports as feeders for LHR I'm afraid
That's mis-remembering history, they saw one Scottish airport as having a long haul future and spent accordingly. Scottish Airports MD, Vernon Murphy had a vision to build out GLA and David Coltman at UA promised ORD and IAD daily if PIK's protected status was removed.

In the early 1990s, GLA had NW, AC, AA, BA and UA all flying long haul schedules to BOS, YHZ. YYZ, ORD and JFK, and that's why they got approval to built what is now the West Pier. Almost as soon as that was approved the bubble burst. NW left followed by UA, AC and AA went seasonal and both eventually left the GLA market, twice !

BTW the famous Air 2000 routing was usually GLA-PIK (fuel and crew change) -BGR-MCO !

Now with the passage of time I reckon Joe Curry was right about a lot if things, EDI WAS in my view held back and constrained as was PIK, BAA were right about one thing, there was only really room for one major Scottish gateway airport, 1990s thinking had that as GLA, it ended up being EDI.

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Old 20th Oct 2022, 09:33
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"Almost as soon as that was approved the bubble burst"

Any thoughts on WHY this happened?
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The Scottish market was way too small and seasonal at the time, with four majors flying daily to the US and one to Canada, no one made money. And United and Air Canada could stay in market using British Midland rather than commit their own metal, it was the early days of STAR ALLIANCE. It rebalanced when Continental offered a daily year round GLA-EWR on the right size of aircraft for the time.

Cut to BAA selling EDI and later GLA and the market is a lot bigger and can support multiple daily operators BUT mainly from one hub airport.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 09:14
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In terms of EDI’s growth, I suspect it is also the case that EDI has been more competitive than GLA in the offers it has put forward to attract new carriers and routes (European as well as intercontinental) which is why I am curious as to how much debt EDI is carrying. Exchange rates are also a big issue as they currently (and for quite a while) have favoured inbound travellers and EDI is easily the bigger inbound market whereas GLA was traditionally the stronger outbound market. Geographic location is also a huge factor. EDI is almost “Glasgow East” because of its location whereas if it was, for example, south of Musselburgh, that would not be the case. Indeed, if you look at the various locations that were proposed in the 1960s for a Central Scotland Airport, EDI is not very far away from them.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 12:57
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A big contributing factor is simply that EDI has had better and more aggressive management since it was bought by GIP compared to GLA. What a difference it has made.

Edinburgh as the Capital City and as a destination has such a strong draw you can see why it has flourished. That and many of the points mentioned in previous posts.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 18:45
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A rare visitor to EDI. QR using a 772LR on tomorrows service. From memory, EK used this variant on a couple of occasions when the Dubai route operated.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a7-bbf
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Old 4th Nov 2022, 18:49
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Being reported that PIA have entered a codeshare agreement with TK. This will allow Pakistani pax to transit via IST to EDI. Could be very good news for EDI and TK. Large Pakistani community in Scotland. The Pakistani flights are normally rammed with luggage and cargo. This could lead to more wide body aircraft on the EDI-IST route.
Latest post from Areoroutes earlier today appears not to include EDI in the UK code share list. Other UK destinations for TK are included.
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Old 8th Nov 2022, 14:28
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Transatlantic Route? S23 - slots. Credit Sean M

Slots applied for in S23. The question is by whom and to where? Will it actually happen?

LAX continue to offer big financial incentives and Scotland is on their target list. JetBlue to Boston? American to somewhere new or the resumption of PHL?

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I would've thought a resumption of PHL is the most likely.

As great as an LAX service would be, I can't see any obvious contenders for who would operate it. The only transatlantic routes operated by the US3 are Heathrow and Paris so Edinburgh would be a surprise. The other one could be Norse but they don't have any feed at either end.
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Old 8th Nov 2022, 16:17
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Originally Posted by ld0595 View Post
I would've thought a resumption of PHL is the most likely.
A bit of of a flip flop route comes and goes here and there. Surely would just suck from another existing NE route? Im guessing those with slot access know.. so why not just share.
Slot applications do not mean definite route commencement as weve previously found.
JetBlue would be more of interest.
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe View Post
A bit of of a flip flop route comes and goes here and there. Surely would just suck from another existing NE route? Im guessing those with slot access know.. so why not just share.
Slot applications do not mean definite route commencement as weve previously found.
JetBlue would be more of interest.
I recall AA were pencilled in to return in S22 but had to pull out because of 787 delivery woes.
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I recall AA were pencilled in to return in S22 but had to pull out because of 787 delivery woes.
Perhaps all the assumptions/guesses that it could be another American route may be off the mark. Certainly not impossible that another Canadian route is on the cards. I believe WS have dropped Halifax to GLA. Vancouver on the west coast must be another possibility? AC or WS would need a 788/9 or a A332/3 to reach EDI.
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If Westjet do anything on a B787 it will be from Calgary - all intercontinental B787 flights will be from there going forward
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I recall AA were pencilled in to return in S22 but had to pull out because of 787 delivery woes.
Spoke with a senior AA crew member very recently who used be on the PHI - EDI route. Word is they are keen to restart EDI and DUB once they get the delayed 787s delivered. S23 may be a possibility for them.
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam View Post
Spoke with a senior AA crew member very recently who used be on the PHI - EDI route. Word is they are keen to restart EDI and DUB once they get the delayed 787s delivered. S23 may be a possibility for them.
Are u sure it was DUB? They have already restarted all DUB routes. They did operate SNN PHL which was cancelled for S 22 because of the 787 delays as well like EDI.
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Old 8th Nov 2022, 21:19
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It sounds like it might be an additional Canadian route. Id love to see AA back though and B6 would be fantastic although Im sure our Glasgow friends would implode if that last one happened given they are sure B6 is going there.
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire View Post
It sounds like it might be an additional Canadian route. Id love to see AA back though and B6 would be fantastic although Im sure our Glasgow friends would implode if that last one happened given they are sure B6 is going there.
I understand AA never gave up their slots. The route was only suspended. They are due to announce S23 transatlantic routes any day now. Subject to aircraft availability, PHL could well return. JetBlue dont deny that have been speaking to various UK airports. At the end of the day, like any airline they will go where incentives are offered and demand exists. GLA management havent been too successful in recent times at even holding on to routes, never mind attracting new carriers.
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This thread has been quite sensible recently. Let’s not be children and revert to the old EDI vs GLA childishness.
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