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MSP/DTW would seem very ambitious. Wonder where that originated from unless there are incentives at play. I still have slight concerns the current US bubble will pop and that finite connecting pax would then just be pulled from other established hubs. Some of these suggested routes are marginal ex LHR never mind anywhere else.
MSP and DTW handle similar annual passenger numbers as SIN, GRU, MUC and MNL
CAA stats from Feb'23 show LHR's MSP and DTW routes each had over 11000 passenger in Feb
Taking into account the number of flights from LHR to EWR (87k) LHR-MIA (88k) LHR-SFO (71k) the passenger numbers on these daily flights don't seem to suggest this a marginal route.
source
Table 12.1
https://www.caa.co.uk/data-and-analy...23/march-2023/
Always helpful if posters could rationalise or evidence their assumptions. Many thanks
How many of those 11,000 are terminating in DTW/MSP? Both are Delta hubs used to funnel feed across the US but are rounding errors in terms of final destinations. My assumption is that no comparable secondary market has service to either and any increase to Scotland would make more sense over upguaging an existing route.
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Aside from London (huge O&D) and Amsterdam (JV hub for DL/KL), what other European markets have either DTW or MSP service on Delta?
How many of those 11,000 are terminating in DTW/MSP? Both are Delta hubs used to funnel feed across the US but are rounding errors in terms of final destinations. My assumption is that no comparable secondary market has service to either and any increase to Scotland would make more sense over upguaging an existing route.
How many of those 11,000 are terminating in DTW/MSP? Both are Delta hubs used to funnel feed across the US but are rounding errors in terms of final destinations. My assumption is that no comparable secondary market has service to either and any increase to Scotland would make more sense over upguaging an existing route.
That number is 11000 in Feb 2023, my point is pretty good passenger numbers for a daily flight compared to those routes I mentioned with multiple
FRA,MUC, CDG and Iceland all served from DTW, with Rome on 05/06/23
They figure is not bad, so for DL it's not as relevant as px obviously are either are connecting at DTW/MSP or terminating there.
Increasing their market without the huge costs of getting slots at LHR/LGW maybe their plan.
DTW serves 13 countries and 105 airports, MSP 11 countries and 124 airports
With the exception of climate change groups, the UK is the only place where arguments take place against the creation of new flight routes, or in this case even a rumour of a flight route. Quite remarkable really.
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FRA /MUC entry points to Germany, EU's biggest country. The other European points are all Skyteam
bases for partners. So no secondary DELTA markets out of MSP/DTW.
Not saying more flights is unlikely, but on the evidence I can see, MSP/DTW seem unlikely.
bases for partners. So no secondary DELTA markets out of MSP/DTW.
Not saying more flights is unlikely, but on the evidence I can see, MSP/DTW seem unlikely.
With the exception of climate change groups, the UK is the only place where arguments take place against the creation of new flight routes, or in this case even a rumour of a flight route. Quite remarkable really.
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The interest in new TATL routes from EDI might have something to do with this:
...from this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...iness-65637377
"One American airline said Edinburgh was the most profitable first year it ever had on a transatlantic route."
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Or EDI widebody parking limitations...
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