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Old 8th Apr 2023, 10:43
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Originally Posted by inOban
I'm surprised that they're not expecting to reach pre-pandemic level until next. year, since both FR and Easyjet have more based aircraft than then. Apart from EK, what are the significant losses?
Flybe and a general reduction in domestic traffic, which seems to have reached a plateau of about 70% of its pre-pandemic level.
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Old 8th Apr 2023, 13:44
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/t...-world-4097001

Behind a paywall, but includes this:
In relation to further expansion with existing airlines and their hubs. United other hubs being Denver, Houston and LAX. Denver has been rumoured previously along with LAX. Delta other hubs being Seattle, Salt Lake City, Minneapolis, Detroit and LAX. As the CEO mentioned, lots of scope for more growth. A direct west coast route would be a major breakthrough.
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LAX at a push, the others I donít see at all. Does LAX have any seasonal 9hr+ regional international routes?
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Old 8th Apr 2023, 21:28
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
LAX at a push, the others I donít see at all. Does LAX have any seasonal 9hr+ regional international routes?
A quick glance on Wikipedia suggests that Oslo and Vienna seem to be the only seasonal long haul routes but they're not flown by the US3.

None of the US3 have any European presence from LAX outside of London and Paris. I've said it here before but I can't see who would fly to LAX from Edinburgh other than Virgin at a push. I believe they used to fly from Manchester a few years ago.
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Old 8th Apr 2023, 22:51
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Emirates

UK & Europe VP quoted in an interview that he is sure that Emirates will return to EDI in the future. I wonder if this will happen when EK take delivery of the 787’s?

"We've got a second Glasgow flight to come at some point. Edinburgh we haven't really started with yet but, that will come at some point in the future I'm sure. Its all driven by aircraft capacity so there's no timeline at the moment but we are working hard to bring our aircraft back into service".
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 05:45
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
In relation to further expansion with existing airlines and their hubs. United other hubs being Denver, Houston and LAX. Denver has been rumoured previously along with LAX. Delta other hubs being Seattle, Salt Lake City, Minneapolis, Detroit and LAX. As the CEO mentioned, lots of scope for more growth. A direct west coast route would be a major breakthrough.
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LAX at a push, the others I donít see at all. Does LAX have any seasonal 9hr+ regional international routes?
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The Scotsman article linked to above quotes the EDI spokesperson as saying
Ms Sherry said: "Iím not sure if west coast America will be happening that quickly. But definitely over the long term as airline fleets evolve, there are a huge amount of new routes or growth in the US that we could go for.Ē?
So the next US destination for EDI is unlikely to be on the west coast. IAH might be possible. There is presumably some oil and gas related traffic to and from Aberdeen that might use a direct EDI service in preference to changing somewhere. It's a large UA hub, which they currently link with AMS, LHR, FRA and MUC in Europe.

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Old 9th Apr 2023, 06:57
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Ms Sherry said further transatlantic development was currently focused on the hubs of Edinburgh’s existing airlines.
Not seen the full quote, so haven't got the context but could this mean volume/frequency to existing hubs rather than adding more?
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"There is presumably some oil and gas related traffic to and from Aberdeen that might use a direct EDI service in preference to changing somewhere."

That's been looked at since the 1970's - the preference was always a direct from ABZ - if you have to drive from ABZ to EDI and park the car or take the train you might as well go via LHR
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 08:43
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Not seen the full quote, so haven't got the context but could this mean volume/frequency to existing hubs rather than adding more?
I may be reading all these quotes out of context having not seen the full article either but I agree. The quote appears more in the past tense and that the route growth has happened already through adding Atlanta and doubling Newark and increase in JFK W23.
EDI can barely hold a seasonal MCO route let alone any other US route expansion.
At best it would be transforming another seasonal HUB route to all year round but doubt that too.
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
Emirates

UK & Europe VP quoted in an interview that he is sure that Emirates will return to EDI in the future. I wonder if this will happen when EK take delivery of the 787ís?

"We've got a second Glasgow flight to come at some point. Edinburgh we haven't really started with yet but, that will come at some point in the future I'm sure. Itís all driven by aircraft capacity so there's no timeline at the moment but we are working hard to bring our aircraft back into service".
So no EK return to EDI in S23 or W23 likely at this point.
when are EK due to get B787ís? Are the 789 or 781?
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 09:19
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
I may be reading all these quotes out of context having not seen the full article either but I agree. The quote appears more in the past tense and that the route growth has happened already through adding Atlanta and doubling Newark and increase in JFK W23.
EDI can barely hold a seasonal MCO route let alone any other US route expansion.
At best it would be transforming another seasonal HUB route to all year round but doubt that too.
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Since the quote refers to "further transatlantic development" it's unlikely to be referring to developments that have already happened. I agree, however, that it's more likely that it refers to extending the period of operation of some of the existing seasonal hub routes rather than to introducing a new hub service.

I'm not sure what MCO (more attractive to outbound UK leisure passengers) can tell us about routes from other US hubs (which would be attractive to outbound US passengers). It certainly didn't prevent DL launching ATL and UA adding a second EWR.

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Old 9th Apr 2023, 10:50
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This may not be the best thread, but what proportion of EK passengers are using Dubai as a hub, and how many are (for reasons I can't begin to understand ) going there on holiday? I assume that QR are almost entirely transfer PAX.
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 14:36
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The connecting/transfer rate is above 70% at DXB for EK.
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 14:41
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In Oban. Why are you so disparaging about Dubai as a holiday destination? Great weather (apart from in the summer), very safe, good restaurants etc. Frankly Iíd rather spend a week there than in Oban (and Iíve been to both).
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 16:09
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It's all a matter of taste, I suppose. I wouldn't want to visit any of the Costas is summer either, something with a bit of history is more my style.
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Old 10th Apr 2023, 02:11
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While I get that the other attractions are real, it's beyond me why anyone would go to a country with such an arbitrary legal system (esp one that doesn't quite treat women as real people)! I'd rather there were flights from Edinburgh to Obanm, even if it involved spending a wet bank holiday weekend in a faded overpriced B&B
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Old 10th Apr 2023, 04:49
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
So no EK return to EDI in S23 or W23 likely at this point.
when are EK due to get B787ís? Are the 789 or 781?
Some 789ís due for delivery 1st quarter 2024. This is optimistic according to Emirates. 359ís - August 2024 at earliest.
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Old 10th Apr 2023, 09:12
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I've seen it said online by EDI route development employees that 9 out of 10 passengers travelling to the US do so via a UK/European hub. It is this market that they are targeting by launching new US destinations.

LAX have also in the past issued a wish list of destinations they'd like to see served, with Scotland being one of those shortlisted. I think the most likely to operate that is probably Virgin, although they dont seem to be doing overly well at EDI at the moment, so I think expansion might be some way off.

I think the next US flight we will see will be AA rejoining the market, probably in 2 years time when they get the A321XLRs. Possibly Delta to Atlanta.

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Old 10th Apr 2023, 09:26
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Delta to Atlanta starts this summer.
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As much as a Dubai service would be nice, I'm sure we can find something of interest to travel or holiday in between Edinburgh's 34 countries served this summer direct without connecting anywhere
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