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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 09:11
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Originally Posted by ld0595
You can add VS to that list with the A35K from June 24. Hainan still to come with their A330 as well albeit on Fridays and Mondays. As you say, busy summer ahead!

Loadings for tonight's Toronto looking pretty healthy with just handful of seats free in economy. Even the return is looking reasonably well loaded too across all cabins.
AC to YYZ was a 789 rather than a 788 too.
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Originally Posted by A350Saltire
AC to YYZ was a 789 rather than a 788 too.
788 scheduled for tomorrow though.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 12:47
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The initial W23 ACL suggest increased slot request/ international activity at EDI. We already know about Qatar increasing to double daily year round and Air Canada offering services for most of winter 23. The full report due out any day. Could EDI be in line for something new or the return of a familiar airline??
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 12:56
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
The initial W23 ACL suggest increased slot request/ international activity at EDI. We already know about Qatar increasing to double daily year round and Air Canada offering services for most of winter 23. The full report due out any day. Could EDI be in line for something new or the return of a familiar airline??
United to LAX could definitely be one for Summer 24.
LAX airport has been offering incentives to carriers who relaunch certain routes, started in 2022 and ends in 24 IIRC.
One of those is Scotland. Given United’s success at EDI, would not surprise me in the slightest to see them start that route

I'm led to believe the reports are going public in about a week's time.
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Originally Posted by laviation
United to LAX could definitely be one for Summer 24.
LAX-LHR does well with the front cabins being packed out with some seriously high earners, allowing decent fares down the back. LAX-LHR on United is just now back to 2 x daily after they massively downsized long haul out of T7 and closed the Dreamliner pilot base. Now there's maybe a market for Scotland-LAX/SFO on a 2-3 weekly summer holiday basis but LAX isn't a hub for any of the US majors so seems pretty unlikely. American back on PHL-EDI now they have all their new B787-8s and more B787-9s on the way makes more sense for 2024 IMHO.
Scotland just doesn't have the front cabin numbers from California to make the use of a B787 worthwhile IMHO.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 14:27
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
American back on PHL-EDI now they have all their new B787-8s and more B787-9s on the way makes more sense for 2024 IMHO.
This (https://airlinenewsdaily.com/2023/06...-news-stories/) mentions "American Airlines announced on Wednesday that it will add more flights to Europe in the coming months. The airline said that it will add 10 new routes to Europe, including flights from New York to Lisbon, Portugal, and from Dallas to Milan, Italy." I wonder if EDI will be one of them (though I can't find the original source of that comment so can't vouch for the veracity of Airline News Daily's report).
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 14:29
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Originally Posted by laviation
United to LAX could definitely be one for Summer 24.
LAX airport has been offering incentives to carriers who relaunch certain routes, started in 2022 and ends in 24 IIRC.
One of those is Scotland. Given United’s success at EDI, would not surprise me in the slightest to see them start that route

I'm led to believe the reports are going public in about a week's time.
Very unlikely. LHR is the only place in Europe that United flies to from LAX. In fact, the US3 only fly to LHR and Paris from LAX. I think Dublin was set to begin but was cancelled due to Covid. In the case of United, it makes much more sense for them to funnel traffic traffic to Europe through ORD, IAD and EWR.

The only carrier I can feasibly see flying between LAX and EDI is Vigrin Atlantic shared with Manchester.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 14:36
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Well that was certainly a brain fart.. part of me thought they had at least more than LHR.

LAX historically did quite well with Virgin and Thomas Cook out of Manchester.

I think given now Virgin are growing again from MAN they will deploy the “get the train down” line to EDI like they did with MAN!
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 15:19
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Originally Posted by laviation
LAX historically did quite well with Virgin and Thomas Cook out of Manchester.
Virgin tried MAN-SFO at 2 to 3 weekly in summer 2017 and 2018 which became 3x weekly MAN-LAX by 2019, West Coast USA isn't easy to make work from the UK. I think Thomas Cook did well on UK based POS on high volume less than daily holiday flights. And of course the GBP/USD exchange rate isn't great for UK originating passengers at the minute sadly.
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I hadn't realised VS MCO start had been pushed back to June 21st. Thats quite a short season for this type of route. Looks like they’re waiting for peak school hols to fill all the leisure config A350-1000 391 seats 😮 though suppose still fair bit less than the 455 on the ‘Queen’
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
The initial W23 ACL suggest increased slot request/ international activity at EDI. We already know about Qatar increasing to double daily year round and Air Canada offering services for most of winter 23. The full report due out any day. Could EDI be in line for something new or the return of a familiar airline??
A contact at EDI is suggesting that Emirates is very much a possibility in spring 2024. The airport is also actively pursuing Etihad again. A number of weeks ago, the airline did drop hints on their socials about a return to certain cities. EDI was on one of their departure boards using the same flight numbers as before.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 17:39
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Originally Posted by laviation
United to LAX could definitely be one for Summer 24.
LAX airport has been offering incentives to carriers who relaunch certain routes, started in 2022 and ends in 24 IIRC.
One of those is Scotland. Given United’s success at EDI, would not surprise me in the slightest to see them start that route

I'm led to believe the reports are going public in about a week's time.
Originally Posted by Planeraz
A contact at EDI is suggesting that Emirates is very much a possibility in spring 2024. The airport is also actively pursuing Etihad again. A number of weeks ago, the airline did drop hints on their socials about a return to certain cities. EDI was on one of their departure boards using the same flight numbers as before.
GIven that the second daily Glasgow hasn't returned then it wouldn't surprise me. An evening departure from Scotland to Dubai was popular and no doubt it will still do well.
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[QUOTE=Skipness One Foxtrot;11444736]LAX-LHR does well with the front cabins being packed out with some seriously high earners, allowing decent fares down the back. LAX-LHR on United is just now back to 2 x daily after they massively downsized long haul out of T7 and closed the Dreamliner pilot base. Now there's maybe a market for Scotland-LAX/SFO on a 2-3 weekly summer holiday basis but LAX isn't a hub for any of the US majors so seems pretty unlikely. American back on PHL-EDI now they have all their new B787-8s and more B787-9s on the way makes more sense for 2024 IMHO.
Scotland just doesn't have the front cabin numbers from California to make the use of a B787 worthwhile IMHO.[/QUOTE

LAX is a hub for United and Delta Airlines. I have been in both this year. They are more focused on West bound Pacific traffic and transcontinental flights. T4 SFO is a Delta hub and had a number of European flights and code shares that I saw.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 14:18
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
LAX is a hub for United and Delta Airlines. I have been in both this year. They are more focused on West bound Pacific traffic and transcontinental flights. T4 SFO is a Delta hub and had a number of European flights and code shares that I saw.
LAX is a focus city for both airlines but a hub for neither, there's a huge difference mate. LAX is the BOS of the West Coast, bit US3 presence, no actual hub and spoke operation although they do feed into California and beyond.
Delta don't actually fly transatlantic from SFO so far as I am aware, codeshares will be on KLM. United however DO hub at SFO, it's one of their biggest.
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There's rapidly growing film/TV production in Scotland . I wonder if this is affecting potential demand to LAX?
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I do forsee Virgin bringing MAN-LAX back in 2025
I think it depends on the value of the pound to see if anyone will give LAX-EDI a go.. I think EDI should be able to hold on to all of it's current TATL network however further expansion might seem a bit much especially given the GBP-USD is steadily improving..?
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 23:10
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SFO offer:

Atlanta Boston Detroit Los Angeles Minneapolis JFK Salt Lake City and Seattle.

Literally only connections to the real Delta hubs

Delta operate ZERO International from SFO on own metal and other than LAX bugger all that isn’t a genuine hub

Not even a Connection presence apart from a few off peak Seattle rotations!

Indeed barely even a focus city !



LAX offer:

Add a few more hubs and flights back east and a selection of Connection flights to nowhere destinations .

They do offer services to Hawaii and across the Pacific and serve a few Latin American points as well .

Again very much focus city territory

The primary west coast hub is somewhere much further north in Seattle.

Whilst Minneapolis remains very much their main Hub west of Detroit by large margin

Any idea that Delta are a major player in California is simply erroneous .
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Originally Posted by inOban
There's rapidly growing film/TV production in Scotland . I wonder if this is affecting potential demand to LAX?
Suspect thats a minuscule drop in the ocean, it ain't no Hollywood.
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Originally Posted by laviation
further expansion might seem a bit much especially given the GBP-USD is steadily improving..?
And getting carried away ignoring this big factor…
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