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Old 12th Nov 2022, 11:38
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Are there any payload restrictions on the B38M EDI-YYZ? That's quite a stretch for it, particularly westbound.
Range can be almost 4000nm so well within reach esp with a lower density layout such as AC. Some max flights are >8hrs nowadays
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 15:56
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Hi there, does anyone know if Wizz are cancelling the WAW route? I can see on the S23 slots/initial planned operations that they are reducing the number of frequencies and these flights aren't on sale on their website even though all the other routes are. However on the ACL website is not coming up as cancelled.
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 15:58
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Norwegian S23

EDI-CPH increased from 6 to 8 weekly. Double on Thursday and Sunday.
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 08:16
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Route Resumption S23

Iberia Express
EDI-MAD
Summer seasonal - 2 x weekly Thursday & Sunday

Awful timings.

I2 3690 MAD 0525-0815 EDI
I2 3691 EDI 0855-1155 MAD

Credit Sean M

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Old 24th Nov 2022, 09:54
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Norwegian S23

EDI-CPH increased from 6 to 8 weekly. Double on Thursday and Sunday.
Oslo also increased according to Areoroutes

Frankfurt up to 21 weekly (3 daily) all NS23 too, expanding the overnight stop early departure.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 18:23
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Edinburgh exploring US customs and immigration pre-clearance:
https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/202...e-flights/amp/
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 19:05
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Edinburgh exploring US customs and immigration pre-clearance:
https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/202...e-flights/amp/
EDI was in a short list a few years ago for this. Where would the airport set up this area? Dublin have a separate terminal tier only for US flights. They also have a far bigger portfolio of year round American services. EDI as we know only have UA daily year round and DL 4/5 times per week to JFK off-peak.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 19:39
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There are huge cost and legal implications which will ultimately turn out to be prohibitive. Thats why studies failed last time. LHR considered the investment and logistics albeit on a much bigger scale and shied away.
Doubt for peak Jun to Sept at EDI this is in any way credible. DUB/SNN are historical legacy and now hard to withdraw, if was to be a new thing today, no way DUB/SNN would now have it.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 19:54
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There are huge cost and legal implications which will ultimately turn out to be prohibitive. Thats why studies failed last time. LHR considered the investment and logistics albeit on a much bigger scale and shied away.
Doubt for peak Jun to Sept at EDI this is in any way credible. DUB/SNN are historical legacy and now hard to withdraw, if was to be a new thing today, no way DUB/SNN would now have it.
Legally I donít see why it wouldnít be possible. Weíve had French border clearance in UK for years at the Channel Tunnel so it must be possible. Cost wise maybe itís not worth it but it might also attract more traffic. Some places that have it have limited hours so itís possible it could be in place with only open at relevant hours to cut the operating costs.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 20:37
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Legally I donít see why it wouldnít be possible. Weíve had French border clearance in UK for years at the Channel Tunnel so it must be possible. Cost wise maybe itís not worth it but it might also attract more traffic. Some places that have it have limited hours so itís possible it could be in place with only open at relevant hours to cut the operating costs.
looking objectively at the article it is clear that there are looking at viability in terms of increasing TATL passengers and freight.
I agree it might be thin in the winter months (might only work during May- Oct initially) but growth of routes and traffic is what they are after
Would the current owners invest in the necessary Infrastructure to make this possible??

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Old 25th Nov 2022, 20:54
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam View Post
looking objectively at the article it is clear that there are looking at viability in terms of increasing TATL passengers and freight.
I agree it might be thin in the winter months (might only work during May- Oct initially) but growth of routes and traffic is what they are after
Would the current owners invest in the necessary Infrastructure to make this possible??
I think you are correct. Growth in routes, increase pax numbers and freight is the objective. I canít really see how the current terminal set-up could accommodate a separate secured area with US TSA facilities and only for US flights. Perhaps the only option would be to use the area that leads to gates 1-4. The BA lounge would have to go along with the other aspire lounge. Would 4 gates with bridges be big enough? I assume 4 gates can accommodate 4 x wide bodies and/or a 752 at the same time?
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and what will the US Border staff do for 6+ months of the year in the depths of winter whilst still being funded by Edinburgh Airport? There has been large seasonal summer growth rebound but virtually no winter TA growth.. Someone would need to outlay on a hope it would work and encouraging year round growth.
Sounds nice but fanciful.
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And how does passengers and freight work? Surely they are completely different - processes, depts involved, etc? What happens in DUB/SNN?
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"and what will the US Border staff do for 6+ months of the year in the depths of winter"

Go home?
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Old 26th Nov 2022, 11:02
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And how does passengers and freight work? Surely they are completely different - processes, depts involved, etc? What happens in DUB/SNN?
It would be interesting to understand how it all works at SNN as I suspect this would be closest to any proposed operation at EDI based on a supposition that SNN has a more seasonal traffic flow like EDI (DUB being stronger all year round).
I do recall the US Border Control hours being reduced/ limited highlighted by the fact BA had to cut/ retime their (ultimately Iíll fated even before COVID) flights from LCY to JFK which used SNN as a refuel and border clearance point.

At a time the airport is reported to be up for sale, this might just be a marketing ploy, as I canít see the current owners investing significantly in new or rearranged infrastructure to make this possible let alone the costs charged by the US government.

Being optimistic I hope I am wrong as it would be attractive to airlines, passengers and exporters.
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What happened to the plans, that were floated a long while ago now, relating to a second runway and a new or extended terminal ? Reading all this about the US operations, reminded me of the plan .
After all it does seem that Edinburgh, seems to attract far more custom , despite Glasgow having more land and better connections .
Also and forgive my lack of knowledge, but if customs clearence for the US is done at EDI, what happens to Shannon?.
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Glasgow having more land and better connections .
Not sure either of those is especially true.
Doubt EDI having pre-clearance would have any bearing on a different countries facility. Its historically been in place since it was a stopover/ military transit. If they are happy to continue to pay for it and the staffing and facilities are already there why would they change it. Flights would not be transferring from SNN to EDI

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Old 27th Nov 2022, 17:03
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I think you are correct. Growth in routes, increase pax numbers and freight is the objective. I can’t really see how the current terminal set-up could accommodate a separate secured area with US TSA facilities and only for US flights. Perhaps the only option would be to use the area that leads to gates 1-4. The BA lounge would have to go along with the other aspire lounge. Would 4 gates with bridges be big enough? I assume 4 gates can accommodate 4 x wide bodies and/or a 752 at the same time?
Looking at the charts, only stands 2-4(A) are code E rated, so there may occasionally be an issue but 757s and 767s would be fine to use 1.

There does in theory look to be space to convert 1 to a 1/1A, so it may be possible as part of an upgrade.

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Edinburgh Ryanair passengers 'terrified' after 'group of 70' swig vodka and party onb

This flight sounds like my worst nightmare! Given the footage from the video, I'm surprised the flight wasn't diverted or the police weren't at Ibiza to deal with some of them.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news...after-25627303

A couple were left terrified on a flight from Edinburgh to Ibiza after chaos erupted onboard with a group of '70-strong' passengers "swigging vodka and partying" in the aisle.

The pair have hit out at Ryanair for failing to control the rowdy group who reportedly left fellow passengers cowering in their seats. They said that after looking forward to a relaxing break at the end of September, they were subjected to three hours of "horrific" travel hell.

The duo, from North Lanarkshire, recorded video footage during the flight which shows passengers partying in the aisle as they blasted music and downed bottles of spirits. The woman, speaking anonymously to the Record, told how her husband has a heart condition and on his way back from the toilet, he was 'accosted' by a boozed-up youth who hit his hand before making a rude gesture.

Other passengers were allegedly subjected to verbal abuse and harassment by members of the '70-strong group' with plane staff unable to keep a lid on their antics. After returning from their holiday, a formal complaint was made to the airline over the incident but they were left unhappy once again after receiving a 'copy and paste' reply on November 26.

The couple says the reply "took no responsibility and gave no assurances that it wouldn't happen again."

The 55-year-old mum said: "The response from Ryanair was a joke. I didn't expect any else though to be honest. They've got you there because it's cheap flights but even though it's a bargain, you shouldn't have to go through that. Passenger safety comes first.

"There was no control over that plane at all. It was horrific from the minute we got on. There were about 70 of them who all came from the same area. They had a big black speaker at the highest volume you could get which was blaring for three hours.

"They were banging on the roof, taking their tops off, and opening their drink that they had bought at duty free. The only time Ryanair came near them was to serve them more drink. I didn't even want to go to the toilet because they were getting drunker and drunker.

"My husband went to the bathroom and on his way back, this guy hit my husband's hand as if to do a high five but then gave him the fingers. The other passengers were getting really annoyed at this behaviour and it could have erupted into a full-blown war."

The mum added that a fellow passenger was forced to shove a young man out of her way after he refused to leave her alone. To add fuel to the fire, she said bad weather on the Balearic Island made for a bumpy landing.

The stressed traveller added: "When we went to land, there was a storm which was bad enough. The air hostess was shouting over the speaker to sit down or the plane wasn't going to land because they were all still standing up.

"There were no police waiting for them at the airport. I understand that they were happy and excited about going on their holiday. I've flown to Ibiza for the last 16 years to the same wee place. I've seen a bit of partying on the flights before but nothing like this.

"It could have been an absolute riot because they were banging into people, shouting in people's faces. There could have been a war on that plane.

"People were scared to go to the toilet but they were scared they were going to get head-butted or hit with a bottle of Grey Goose that was flying about that they had bought at duty-free.

"It was a horrible experience. I get that you've got to expect a bit of partying and I understand that. But my husband and I have had a tough year with lots of sad things happening so we thought we'd go away and chill out.

"We got off the flight and were like 'Oh my God, we need a drink'. I've got a boy at 22. If I thought he was behaving like that on a plane with children and a mixed age group, I would be so embarrassed about it because it was horrific."

The couple have vowed never to fly with Ryanair again after they took a month to reply to their complaint and simply apologised for "any inconvenience caused".

A spokesperson for Ryanair said: "A group of passengers on this flight from Edinburgh to Ibiza became disruptive mid-flight.

"To diffuse the situation and minimise any disruption to passengers, crew made several announcements throughout the flight and refused to serve more than two alcoholic drinks to each passenger.

"Passengers ceased their disruptive behaviour before landing safely in Ibiza."
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So bad it's taken over two months to be reported?
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