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[tictack67]

Originally Posted by GrahamK

Any need for the bad attitude?

Not sure JetBlue will turn up at EDI given the amount of competition. GLA however, might have a chance.

Jet Blue's CEO Hayes said at the begining of August they were interested in Manchester, Edinburgh or Glasgow. However the economic situation unfolding how many of us will be planning big US hols


https://www.cityam.com/jetblue-unvei...terly-profits/

[Planeraz]

Qatar

Qatar using A351 on Tuesday 30th Aug. Previously advertised 13th Sept now showing as a 359. Inbound DOH-EDI economy sold out on many dates in Sept. Student demand I assume. Certain dates in Sept, flights completely sold out.

[inOban]

I assume that today's flight from Beijing was also students.

[Planeraz]

Bet that was a nightmare almost 11 hour flight for the pax. Masked up for the majority of the time and flight crew in paper space suits.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by inOban

I assume that today's flight from Beijing was also students.

Festival related maybe?

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Festival related maybe?

The word from other channels it was taking home Chinese students although I would have expected some inbound for the new terms. Similar flights to MAN. Although I believe they have a regular service restarting, although with the sever entry restrictions and quarantine on arrival I am not sure who other that Chinese nationals would want to take these flights.

[wub]

I understand there will be another Air China flight on Sept. 5th

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

Qatar

Qatar using A351 on Tuesday 30th Aug. Previously advertised 13th Sept now showing as a 359. Inbound DOH-EDI economy sold out on many dates in Sept. Student demand I assume. Certain dates in Sept, flights completely sold out.

A7-ANO allocated which is an A351. Will be nice to see it at EDI.

[Planeraz]

Westjet S23

Subject to change as always. Returning in S23. First inbound on 30th May. Not bookable directly at time of posting but appears to have been increased to 5 x W.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

Westjet S23

Subject to change as always. Returning in S23. First inbound on 30th May. Not bookable directly at time of posting but appears to have been increased to 5 x W.

Very interesting! North American carriers have done well from EDI this summer. This is why I wouldn’t rule JetBlue from EDI out.

[tartan 201]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

Westjet S23

Subject to change as always. Returning in S23. First inbound on 30th May. Not bookable directly at time of posting but appears to have been increased to 5 x W.

Where is this stated? It's currently on sale for S23, but only three-weekly as S22.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by A350Saltire

Very interesting! North American carriers have done well from EDI this summer. This is why I wouldn’t rule JetBlue from EDI out.

One thought, if EDI did get a JetBlue service to JFK or BOS, do you think it would be net new traffic? What we tend to see is new entrants can upset the balance in market. United's impressive 3 x daily operation might drop one of EWR/IAD/ORD or Delta's JFK/BOS would consolidate to one. So you might still have three carriers but with roughly the same overall capacity. An A321 operation may even be the optimum year round JFK-EDI machine for business though? And would a JetBlue announcement kill an American return? A summer AA/B6/DL/UA and AC/WS operation would be quite something....
I did read elsewhere that Westjet were re-trenching to Calgary and even YYZ-LGW has been dropped, so good news if the seasonal B737 service is continuing.

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

One thought, if EDI did get a JetBlue service to JFK or BOS, do you think it would be net new traffic? What we tend to see is new entrants can upset the balance in market. United's impressive 3 x daily operation might drop one of EWR/IAD/ORD or Delta's JFK/BOS would consolidate to one. So you might still have three carriers but with roughly the same overall capacity. An A321 operation may even be the optimum year round JFK-EDI machine for business though? .

I think it's all to play for.

British Airways are incapable of running any sort of service to a timetable.

Cancelling flights at short notice and having so few connections.

Their W22 Edi to LHR has 0645 departure then usually nothing until 1015 or 1130 depending on the day.

That 0645 is an A320/A319.

People aren't just going to JFK or BOS they are connecting onwards.

We've seen Air France use A321 alot on first flight for connections.

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

One thought, if EDI did get a JetBlue service to JFK or BOS, do you think it would be net new traffic? What we tend to see is new entrants can upset the balance in market. United's impressive 3 x daily operation might drop one of EWR/IAD/ORD or Delta's JFK/BOS would consolidate to one. So you might still have three carriers but with roughly the same overall capacity. An A321 operation may even be the optimum year round JFK-EDI machine for business though? And would a JetBlue announcement kill an American return? A summer AA/B6/DL/UA and AC/WS operation would be quite something....
I did read elsewhere that Westjet were re-trenching to Calgary and even YYZ-LGW has been dropped, so good news if the seasonal B737 service is continuing.

I think you make a good point about JetBlue just getting a slice of the pie should they take a punt at EDI. It wouldn’t be a new market. They don’t hide that their intention is to ruffle a few feathers and disrupt the dominance of the big 3 in the US. A new market for EDI, in my opinion, would be a west coast route. Will this happen? Who knows. One factor that perhaps is an advantage to EDI in the current travel climate is the number of direct routes from the US. Avoiding the need to transit at LHR. It would be good to learn if the number of transit pax via LHR has dropped or increased. AA clearly rely and benefit from One World code share with BA for pax travelling to Scotland. Should either leave the alliance, would this impact on direct routes to EDI? Would they continue to code share regardless?

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

Qatar

Qatar using A351 on Tuesday 30th Aug. Previously advertised 13th Sept now showing as a 359. Inbound DOH-EDI economy sold out on many dates in Sept. Student demand I assume. Certain dates in Sept, flights completely sold out.

Another 351 due in this afternoon. Hopefully someone will capture this beauty arriving.

[nighthawk117]

If JetBlue were to launch to Edinburgh, they will no doubt take some passengers from existing services, but at the same time they tend to be a bit cheaper than the competition, which will stimulate additional travel demand too. Most US flights tend to go out quite full at the moment anyway, so there's probably excess capacity there to be picked up. I think there's still room for an additional carrier on the route.

In terms of West Coast flights - Scotland is on the wishlist for LAX, so they certainly thinkt here's demand and are keen to attract someone on to the market. Sadly there arent many candidates for the route. Virgin in partnership with Delta might be the only possibility. It's a shame Barbados didnt work out. If that had succeeded, then they may well have looked at basing an aircraft at EDI and offering LAX a few times a week. Who knows... if they can perhaps talk LAS in to doing incentives too, they may decide it worthwhile to base an aircraft at EDI and operate to both 2x weekly with a 3x weekly Orlando flight, or similar.

[ATNotts]

In terms of West Coast flights - Scotland is on the wishlist for LAX

I am sorry, but for the majority of would be travellers in the next 12/24 month their wish list will be keeping themselves warm and with food on the table!!

All this complete nonsense that is being spouted on various threads (and I'm not fingering Edinburgh in particular) takes no account of the dire financial situation most people are going to find themselves in, let alone the country (The UK that is) which will likely be in a fairly deep recession, possibly a depression.

Apologies for the dose of realism!

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

I am sorry, but for the majority of would be travellers in the next 12/24 month their wish list will be keeping themselves warm and with food on the table!!

All this complete nonsense that is being spouted on various threads (and I'm not fingering Edinburgh in particular) takes no account of the dire financial situation most people are going to find themselves in, let alone the country (The UK that is) which will likely be in a fairly deep recession, possibly a depression.

Apologies for the dose of realism!

Actually there are still a lot of people with a lot of money. I appreciate what you say that many of us will be in poverty, but just have a look at packages for the world cup in Qatar for November starting at £5K for group stage.

​​​​​​There were days when naysayers said Edinburgh couldn't sustain some of the routes they have for example IST,DOH,HEL,ORD,IAD,YYZ

[Planeraz]

NiceAir - Iceland

First time at EDI. Technically a new route? Not sure if this is package holiday type arrangement or something that could develop into something more.

Offering Akureyri-EDI - long weekend flights. So far, 2 x 3 day trip available to book. 20/23 Oct and 17/20 Nov.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

I am sorry, but for the majority of would be travellers in the next 12/24 month their wish list will be keeping themselves warm and with food on the table!!

All this complete nonsense that is being spouted on various threads (and I'm not fingering Edinburgh in particular) takes no account of the dire financial situation most people are going to find themselves in, let alone the country (The UK that is) which will likely be in a fairly deep recession, possibly a depression.

Apologies for the dose of realism!

I appreciate the point your making, and there’s now hiding from the fact that there will be an impact however as seen in every other recession, not everyone is as affected as you describe.
Your view seams very outbound westerly focused not taken into account the flow of traffic originating from North America in your statement where the I would argue there will remain sustainable wealth and source of east bound traffic. We’re not shutting shop and pulling down the shutters.
And then you only need to look at Tyanairs CEO press yesterday for test another different perspective on short haul- he’s predicting growth.