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Old 7th Dec 2022, 08:49
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Outside London, where in the UK is overrun by people from the Gulf?

EK is about beyond Dubai, not Dubai itself.

And nobody mentions cargo.
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Old 7th Dec 2022, 08:53
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Easyjet adding Catania for S23 (via Sean M on twitter)
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Old 7th Dec 2022, 09:28
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Wasn't that announced for S20 but obviously never happened?
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Old 7th Dec 2022, 11:19
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In answer SWBCB Manchester now is awash with people from the gulf area
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Old 7th Dec 2022, 17:53
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Wasn't that announced for S20 but obviously never happened?
Yes. Announced in 2019.
“easyJet - Edinburgh to Catania. Flights start 29 March 2020 EDI 0710-1150”
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Old 7th Dec 2022, 18:01
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SunExpress

New Route S23

EDI-Izmir

1 x flight weekly. Start date 29th August 2023.

Strange start date, The summer season in Scotland will be all but over by then. This start date could change?

credit SeanM
Start date confirmed. AYT going to five weekly.

https://corporate.edinburghairport.c...-off-to-turkey
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Old 7th Dec 2022, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
I've always though the GLA is an "outbound" airport and EDI is an "inbound" one

Emirates operate from Birmingham and Newcastle - neither of which is overrun by people from the Gulf (tho they do fly their business jets into NCL in the shooting season) - it's all outbound sourced traffic

Their business is tourists to Dubai - much as SIA was in the early days
Although this is correct in the main due to VFR traffic to South Asia and Australia, pre COVID there was significant traffic for Birmingham & Warwick Universities from Asia which kept the 615 seat A380's nice and topped up and I realise that is difficult to believe to some in the north and south

What I don't know is if this traffic has recovered but EK are operating around 85% full in low periods and 95% in school holidays. I would say it is doing okay (but not awash ) and in September it had a 92% load factor which of course is the influx date for uni's. Also of course Middle East money is courted for development projects now that a little more caution is required where one goes with the begging bowl.

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Old 8th Dec 2022, 09:40
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Edinburgh - Bournemouth

4 x weekly from March 26 2023.

Nipping in ahead of EZY? Have EZY missed a trick here or made a mistake dropping the route which performed strongly. Will they respond and reinstate?
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 09:55
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Edinburgh - Bournemouth

4 x weekly from March 26 2023.

Nipping in ahead of EZY? Have EZY missed a trick here or made a mistake dropping the route which performed strongly. Will they respond and reinstate?
EZY will introduce SOU instead is my guess
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 12:11
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easyJet had every opportunity to fly EDI-BOH (and BFS-BOH which they served at the same time, and which looked to do well, as much as you can judge by pax numbers alone). They haven't taken the opportunity and now someone else had. They hardly have any cause for complaint.
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 14:14
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ShaunM reporting that Scandinavian will increase EDI - Stockholm from 7 to 10 x weekly. Double daily on certain days. A nice little increase and a welcome boost. Will Norwegian retaliate?
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 14:58
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The return of Ryanair to BOH domestics is because of the reduction in APD? It wasn't a volume issue these routes faced, it was that the assets could simply make money elsewhere, now APD is being reduced, that market dynamic has changed (back). Same reason for STN-EDI, good to see a return to sensible domestic connectivity options.
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 15:09
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The return of Ryanair to BOH domestics is because of the reduction in APD? It wasn't a volume issue these routes faced, it was that the assets could simply make money elsewhere, now APD is being reduced, that market dynamic has changed (back). Same reason for STN-EDI, good to see a return to sensible domestic connectivity options.
Sadly, for the aviation sector, APD is devolved to the Scottish Govt. It’s no secret that Sturgeon and her green chums are very anti aviation. The welcome reduction in APD by the UK Gov means pax departing from English and Welsh airports should see a benefit. Flights or pax departing from Scotland will still have to pay this tax. Sturgeon as per normal has not yet committed to follow the UK Gov decision. A real disadvantage for pax, airline and airports in Scotland.

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Old 8th Dec 2022, 15:36
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Sadly, for the aviation sector, APD is devolved to the Scottish Govt. It’s no secret that Sturgeon and her green chums are very anti aviation. The welcome reduction in APD by the UK Gov means pax departing from English and Welsh airports should see a benefit. Flights or pax departing from Scotland will still have to pax this tax. Sturgeon as per normal has not yet committed to follow the UK Gov decision. A real disadvantage for pax, airline and airports in Scotland.
APD isn't devolved. The Scotland Act of 2016 allowed for it to be devolved, but its replacement, laid out in the Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Act 2017, has yet to be effected. According to this (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-an...passenger-duty) the rate of APD on domestic flights within the UK from 1 April 2023 (when the reduction comes in to force) will be the same, irrespective of which part of the UK the flight arrives and departs from (Scottish Highlands and Islands excepted). The rates for the other bands (i.e. non-domestic flights) are the same across the UK, with the exception of direct flights from Northern Ireland to destinations outside Band A. So passengers on flights from Scotland (H&I excepted) will pay the same rates of tax as those from England and Wales (and from NI to destinations within Band A).
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 15:47
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Originally Posted by tartan 201 View Post
APD isn't devolved. The Scotland Act of 2016 allowed for it to be devolved, but its replacement, laid out in the Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Act 2017, has yet to be effected. According to this (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-an...passenger-duty) the rate of APD on domestic flights within the UK from 1 April 2023 (when the reduction comes in to force) will be the same, irrespective of which part of the UK the flight arrives and departs from (Scottish Highlands and Islands excepted). The rates for the other bands (i.e. non-domestic flights) are the same across the UK, with the exception of direct flights from Northern Ireland to destinations outside Band A. So passengers on flights from Scotland (H&I excepted) will pay the same rates of tax as those from England and Wales (and from NI to destinations within Band A).
I should have worded my post differently. Scot Gov deferred the decision to have full control of APD due to legal challenges and the impact on HIA airports. You are correct in terms of what the policy is right now. There is nothing to say that the Scottish Gov may opt to take control and retain the current levels of tax, which they have renamed it as The Air Departure Tax. Just to give it a bit of a tartan twist…
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 16:07
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There is nothing to say that the Scottish Gov may opt to take control and retain the current levels of tax, which they have renamed it as The Air Departure Tax. Just to give it a bit of a tartan twist…
Not long to wait to see if you're right as this time next week the Scottish budget for FY23-24 will be published.
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Old 8th Dec 2022, 16:55
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Sadly, for the aviation sector, APD is devolved to the Scottish Govt. It’s no secret that Sturgeon and her green chums are very anti aviation. The welcome reduction in APD by the UK Gov means pax departing from English and Welsh airports should see a benefit. Flights or pax departing from Scotland will still have to pay this tax.
It's not a question of re-wording, the statement is just plain wrong on several counts. The reduction in APD on domestic flights applies to passengers to/from airports in Scotland just as it does everywhere else in the UK, so passengers won't still have to pay the £13 tax but £6.50 instead.

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Old 10th Dec 2022, 20:07
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A35K on the MCO service when it returns.
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This EDI spotters will love grabbing a snap of that. First time for an A350-1000 at EDI or have Qatar sent one in the past?
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This EDI spotters will love grabbing a snap of that. First time for an A350-1000 at EDI or have Qatar sent one in the past?
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​There's been at least one QR one.
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