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With the possible exception of the Permitted Development Rights that you mention, exactly the scenario when the runway was being re-surfaced - the last missed opportunity. An informal chat with the then on-site contractor indicated that with everything in place, including the on-site asphalt production plant, the cost at that time - circa £40K!
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I find it impossible to believe that you could build that taxiway (even then) for circa £40k. Are you sure that that wasn’t just for the asphalt topping and excluded the substantial foundation necessary to achieve an appropriate LCN?
Was 25+ years ago for a small strip of taxiway approximately 135 x 18 metres. Not designed for "heavy" ops, only needed PCN35, LCN long past into history . Got it first hand from one of their civil engineers, price was construction cost without lighting.
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That was our plan for the abortive attempt at what would have been an extended TWY A. With 400+ metres lopped of the 20 backtrack with an extended TWY A, life would have been so much simpler for both 20 & 02 ops, the added bonus being a frequent ability for many 02 arrivals to vacate without needing a backtrack
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That was our plan for the abortive attempt at what would have been an extended TWY A. With 400+ metres lopped of the 20 backtrack with an extended TWY A, life would have been so much simpler for both 20 & 02 ops, the added bonus being a frequent ability for many 02 arrivals to vacate without needing a backtrack
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That was our plan for the abortive attempt at what would have been an extended TWY A. With 400+ metres lopped of the 20 backtrack with an extended TWY A, life would have been so much simpler for both 20 & 02 ops, the added bonus being a frequent ability for many 02 arrivals to vacate without needing a backtrack
Surely it would be lunacy not to implement this taxiway when construction eventually starts?.If movements increase post extension it could be costly if its not inplace!
In addition to the start of the runway extension ,I wonder why the aircraft stands 1-5 havnt been reconfigured for A320 parking ?
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Surely it would be lunacy not to implement this taxiway when construction eventually starts?.If movements increase post extension it could be costly if its not inplace!
In addition to the start of the runway extension ,I wonder why the aircraft stands 1-5 havnt been reconfigured for A320 parking ?
Surely it would be lunacy not to implement this taxiway when construction eventually starts?.If movements increase post extension it could be costly if its not inplace!
In addition to the start of the runway extension ,I wonder why the aircraft stands 1-5 havnt been reconfigured for A320 parking ?
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Surely it would be lunacy not to implement this taxiway when construction eventually starts?.If movements increase post extension it could be costly if its not inplace!
In addition to the start of the runway extension ,I wonder why the aircraft stands 1-5 havnt been reconfigured for A320 parking ?
Surely it would be lunacy not to implement this taxiway when construction eventually starts?.If movements increase post extension it could be costly if its not inplace!
In addition to the start of the runway extension ,I wonder why the aircraft stands 1-5 havnt been reconfigured for A320 parking ?
As you have probably deduced, the lunacy kicked in well above my pay grade!
Time will tell whether this still prevails.
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Decent year of pax numbers for the airport with 600k+ in 2022 (263k for ‘21), this on the back of Covid, loss of BE business totalling 90% of flights and business travel not returning to pre pandemic levels. With the extension being available within the next few months and hopefully the addition of a select number of new routes with a LCC, the airport will be targeting 1m p/a as its first landmark towards break even and ultimate profitability. Won’t be easily achieved but one that is not insurmountable as per my post #1197. Look forward to what 2023 delivers!
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Decent year of pax numbers for the airport with 600k+ in 2022 (263k for ‘21), this on the back of Covid, loss of BE business totalling 90% of flights and business travel not returning to pre pandemic levels. With the extension being available within the next few months and hopefully the addition of a select number of new routes with a LCC, the airport will be targeting 1m p/a as its first landmark towards break even and ultimate profitability. Won’t be easily achieved but one that is not insurmountable as per my post #1197. Look forward to what 2023 delivers!
The long protracted small runway extension is yet to begin,and will have little effect on pax numbers for 2023. Marketing for the airport needs to.improve,the BA cityflyer operation seems to be fading fast,which is such a shame,but hasnt been promoted well from the airport. To make a profit and make full use of the extension there needs to be a major drive by the airport owners to attract airlines and promote routes now, 2024 needs to be defining for the airport future.
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RW20 - agree on many points, however SOU has a higher ceiling for future pax growth compared to BOH, which I suggest has almost maxed out with RYR being the dominant carrier and won’t produce any further significant expansion, not withstanding an additional airline or two arriving which I don’t foresee whilst O’Leary is around. You are correct in saying 2024 is a huge year for SOU and airline/s need to be lined up ready to achieve these forecasts during the period but this will only come with clever regional marketing and to maximise on spreading the message wide and far!
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Relating to the discussion about passenger numbers, I thought I'd put one of these summaries together, with some comparisons to the last 'good' summer in 2019. Based on w/c 17th July. A long way to go but not as much difference as I expected flight wise, although average aircraft size is down too.
Aer Lingus Regional
Belfast City - 13 weekly AT7
Dublin - 13 weekly AT7
Aurigny
Alderney - 14 weekly D28
Guernsey - 7 weekly AT7
BA Cityflyer
Alicante - 1 weekly E90
Bergerac - 1 weekly E90
Dublin - 1 weekly E90
Edinburgh - 1 weekly E90
Faro - 1 weekly E90
Limoges - 1 weekly E90
Malaga - 1 weekly E90
Palma - 3 weekly E90
Blue Islands
Guernsey - 17 weekly AT7
Jersey - 24 weekly AT7
Eastern Airways
Belfast International - 7 weekly AT7
Dublin - 7 weekly AT7
Manchester - 11 weekly AT7
Flybe
Belfast City - 7 weekly DH4
KLM
Amsterdam - 13 weekly E75/E90 (8x/5x)
Loganair
Edinburgh - 30 weekly ER4
Glasgow - 30 weekly ER4
Newcastle - 18 weekly ER4
TUI
Palma - 2 weekly E90 (operated by BA Cityflyer)
Summary
224 weekly departures (321-344 in S19)
32 daily departures (46-49 in S19)
Relating to the discussion about passenger numbers, I thought I'd put one of these summaries together, with some comparisons to the last 'good' summer in 2019. Based on w/c 17th July. A long way to go but not as much difference as I expected flight wise, although average aircraft size is down too.
Aer Lingus Regional
Belfast City - 13 weekly AT7
Dublin - 13 weekly AT7
Aurigny
Alderney - 14 weekly D28
Guernsey - 7 weekly AT7
BA Cityflyer
Alicante - 1 weekly E90
Bergerac - 1 weekly E90
Dublin - 1 weekly E90
Edinburgh - 1 weekly E90
Faro - 1 weekly E90
Limoges - 1 weekly E90
Malaga - 1 weekly E90
Palma - 3 weekly E90
Blue Islands
Guernsey - 17 weekly AT7
Jersey - 24 weekly AT7
Eastern Airways
Belfast International - 7 weekly AT7
Dublin - 7 weekly AT7
Manchester - 11 weekly AT7
Flybe
Belfast City - 7 weekly DH4
KLM
Amsterdam - 13 weekly E75/E90 (8x/5x)
Loganair
Edinburgh - 30 weekly ER4
Glasgow - 30 weekly ER4
Newcastle - 18 weekly ER4
TUI
Palma - 2 weekly E90 (operated by BA Cityflyer)
Summary
224 weekly departures (321-344 in S19)
32 daily departures (46-49 in S19)
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Good information about the timetable Adfly as always
Heads up on the Bergerac, it’s now only 1 flight a week as Tuesday and Sunday been cancelled ( or about to be pulled )
BA Cityflyer are only basing 4 aircraft into Southampton this summer at peak months compared to 7 last summer
Heads up on the Bergerac, it’s now only 1 flight a week as Tuesday and Sunday been cancelled ( or about to be pulled )
BA Cityflyer are only basing 4 aircraft into Southampton this summer at peak months compared to 7 last summer
All gone again - nothing in the local SOU rag, but the EXT paper picks it up and on morning TV news.
Flybe goes under again
With the current speculation as to whether or not the runway extension work has commenced, I offer the following observations, and one suggestion.
While there may be some preparatory work in progress, the planning and execution of the project is strictly regulated by a CAA aerodrome development process, as set out in CAP 791.
As a runway extension is classified IAW CAP 791 as a “major” development there are multiple regulatory hoops through which AGS must negotiate, and pay the CAA for the privilege of doing so!
First hoop, before any work can commence, is CAA approval of the overall project planning and execution plan.
The CAA are not renowned for their speed of work, so hopefully the CAP 791 process has already been commenced by AGS.
Part of the planning process is recognition of the impact that the construction work will have on any aircraft movements, and putting in place mitigation measures to ensure that they can safely continue.
An overview of the project, its scheduling and its temporary impact on aircraft movements will be most likely be set out in a UK AIP Supplement, which itself may have short term issues highlighted or notified via NOTAM as the project progresses.
When the AIP Supplement is published it can be accessed online via:
https://nats-uk.ead-it.com/cms-nats/...p-supplements/
AIP Supplements are published every 28 days. As of today nothing is currently shown. The next batch of Supplements are due for publication on 17 November.
Quite apart from the formal notification of the date that work will commence, I would think that the AGS media organisation will not miss the opportunity to have some symbolic turf cutting ceremony. or similar, immediately before construction starts.
My suggestion? Maybe the BOH Airport Managing Director could be invited to do it?
While there may be some preparatory work in progress, the planning and execution of the project is strictly regulated by a CAA aerodrome development process, as set out in CAP 791.
As a runway extension is classified IAW CAP 791 as a “major” development there are multiple regulatory hoops through which AGS must negotiate, and pay the CAA for the privilege of doing so!
First hoop, before any work can commence, is CAA approval of the overall project planning and execution plan.
The CAA are not renowned for their speed of work, so hopefully the CAP 791 process has already been commenced by AGS.
Part of the planning process is recognition of the impact that the construction work will have on any aircraft movements, and putting in place mitigation measures to ensure that they can safely continue.
An overview of the project, its scheduling and its temporary impact on aircraft movements will be most likely be set out in a UK AIP Supplement, which itself may have short term issues highlighted or notified via NOTAM as the project progresses.
When the AIP Supplement is published it can be accessed online via:
https://nats-uk.ead-it.com/cms-nats/...p-supplements/
AIP Supplements are published every 28 days. As of today nothing is currently shown. The next batch of Supplements are due for publication on 17 November.
Quite apart from the formal notification of the date that work will commence, I would think that the AGS media organisation will not miss the opportunity to have some symbolic turf cutting ceremony. or similar, immediately before construction starts.
My suggestion? Maybe the BOH Airport Managing Director could be invited to do it?
Latest batch of AIP Supplements released today (AIRAC 3/2023), no sign of anything relating to the runway extension, next batch should be released around 9 March which, if the actual extension work is to commence early/mid April, should contain the schedule, the impact that it will have on continued runway operations during the WIP, and any other development work that will take place concurrently.