Southampton-3
DUB and LPL
and there is also a 10:40 DUB on a SAT with British Airways BA2938, High Season only 16/07/23-03/09/23
(also a ONE WORLD partner)
and more Votes for LPL Liverpool please (which could feed IOM too?)
Perhaps EI could op SOU-LPL-BHD on one of their 2 dailys >?
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[QUOTE=TCAS FAN;11390835][QUOTE=RW20;11390545]
" I have today seen the next batch of AIP Supplements that become effective on 9 March. Nothing there relating to the runway extension project. Again, another possible indication that CAA project approval may have been delayed.
IMHO the delay with publication of the AIP Supplement shouldn't further delay the kick off. The 3 April start could initially be covered by a NOTAM which could then be superseded by a Supplement, which should appear on the NATS website during the last week of March to become effective from 6 April."
Just wondering if the construction was done overnight when the airport was closed then is an AIP Supplement needed if normal operations are not affected when the airport is open ?
" I have today seen the next batch of AIP Supplements that become effective on 9 March. Nothing there relating to the runway extension project. Again, another possible indication that CAA project approval may have been delayed.
IMHO the delay with publication of the AIP Supplement shouldn't further delay the kick off. The 3 April start could initially be covered by a NOTAM which could then be superseded by a Supplement, which should appear on the NATS website during the last week of March to become effective from 6 April."
Just wondering if the construction was done overnight when the airport was closed then is an AIP Supplement needed if normal operations are not affected when the airport is open ?
[QUOTE=Musket90;11391110][QUOTE=TCAS FAN;11390835]
" I have today seen the next batch of AIP Supplements that become effective on 9 March. Nothing there relating to the runway extension project. Again, another possible indication that CAA project approval may have been delayed.
IMHO the delay with publication of the AIP Supplement shouldn't further delay the kick off. The 3 April start could initially be covered by a NOTAM which could then be superseded by a Supplement, which should appear on the NATS website during the last week of March to become effective from 6 April."
Just wondering if the construction was done overnight when the airport was closed then is an AIP Supplement needed if normal operations are not affected when the airport is open ?
If there is no operational impact on runway operations technically the answer would be “no”. However the cost of achieving this would excessively escalate the cost of the project.
The need would be to ensure that the current runway strip-end and RESA requirements are always available together with the RWY 20 runway approach lighting.
" I have today seen the next batch of AIP Supplements that become effective on 9 March. Nothing there relating to the runway extension project. Again, another possible indication that CAA project approval may have been delayed.
IMHO the delay with publication of the AIP Supplement shouldn't further delay the kick off. The 3 April start could initially be covered by a NOTAM which could then be superseded by a Supplement, which should appear on the NATS website during the last week of March to become effective from 6 April."
Just wondering if the construction was done overnight when the airport was closed then is an AIP Supplement needed if normal operations are not affected when the airport is open ?
The need would be to ensure that the current runway strip-end and RESA requirements are always available together with the RWY 20 runway approach lighting.
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Thanks TCAS - I assume the RESA requirements during the work would have been checked by CAA in the approval process (which presumably they have). I think any temporary impact on approach lights could be covered by Notam. Stansted seems to be doing this for any lighting downgrade during their present runway work..
Thanks TCAS - I assume the RESA requirements during the work would have been checked by CAA in the approval process (which presumably they have). I think any temporary impact on approach lights could be covered by Notam. Stansted seems to be doing this for any lighting downgrade during their present runway work..
Protection in the event of an overrun or undershoot is provided firstly by a "runway strip" which extends 60 metres beyond the end of the runway available for take-off, and before the threshold, ie the earliest point available for landing. Secondly by a RESA which extends for a further minimum of 90 metres beyond the strip end.
SOU has a standard 60 metres strip end and the minimum 90 RESA for both runways.
The project plan submitted to CAA will have to demonstrate how the strip end and RESA are going to be safeguarded. If one or both cannot, the runway declared distances will need to be temporarily reduced.
Reduction of RWY 20 declared distances, involving a reduced LDA, is not really an option as, due to the insetting of a temporary threshold (which is already 45 metres inset from the north end of the runway) it will prevent use of a ILS IAP and will require the expense of provision of temporary PAPIs. Apart from this it will reduce the LDA which could be unacceptable to current scheduled operators, particularly Loganair, KLM and City Flyer.
Any reduction of RWY 20 LDA would impact on RWY 02 TORA/ASDA and LDA.
Consequently I am waiting with interest to see how AGS are going to manage the strip end and RESA issue, which should be revealed in the AIP Supplement.
If it will not be possible to ensure approach lighting for RWY 20 during the project this will require a temporary raising of approach minima for RWY 20, but as we are looking at the weather during summer months this may be tolerable.
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Ahead of this should be the Ops Director's report to the 3 February meeting of the Airport Consultative Committee, for which I understand that the Minutes will be on the EBC website by the end of this week. If all is still on schedule for a 31 March kick-off the "official" notification of the construction project should appear with the next batch of AIP Supplements, which should appear on the NATS AIS website around 28Feb/1 Mar.
The Minutes of the 3 February Airport Consultative Committee Meeting finally appeared on the EBC website.
Total non event with nothing that we did not already know.
https://meetings.eastleigh.gov.uk/do...mittee.pdf?T=1
Ahead of this should be the Ops Director's report to the 3 February meeting of the Airport Consultative Committee, for which I understand that the Minutes will be on the EBC website by the end of this week. If all is still on schedule for a 31 March kick-off the "official" notification of the construction project should appear with the next batch of AIP Supplements, which should appear on the NATS AIS website around 28Feb/1 Mar.
Total non event with nothing that we did not already know.
https://meetings.eastleigh.gov.uk/do...mittee.pdf?T=1
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The Minutes of the 3 February Airport Consultative Committee Meeting finally appeared on the EBC website.
Total non event with nothing that we did not already know.
https://meetings.eastleigh.gov.uk/do...mittee.pdf?T=1
forecast pax for 2023 of 850k. Where are those extra 250k coming from?
The Minutes of the 3 February Airport Consultative Committee Meeting finally appeared on the EBC website.
Total non event with nothing that we did not already know.
https://meetings.eastleigh.gov.uk/do...mittee.pdf?T=1
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As previously mentioned the extension is two fold,one to allow existing aircraft to operate in challenging conditions i.e. temperature highs,and to allow full loads on A320 types to Med destinations . With the financial squeeze on ,this will not be happening over night,expect some small development 2024,and hopefully route increases 2025
Few on this thread will know that today marks the retirement of one of Southampton’s longest serving Air Traffic Controllers, David Reynolds. From a young trainee in the 1980s until today he has been a consummate professional which I had the privilege to work with.
A long and happy retirement mate.
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Latest batch of AIP supplements, effective 6 April, published today, nothing related to the runway extension project, however, NATS AIM today also published NOTAM C1514/23
Q)EGTT/QFAAH/IV/BO/A/000/999/5057N00121W005B)2303260530 C)2306262115 E)AD OPERATING HOURS
MON-SAT 0530-2100
SUN 0630-2100
ANY EXTENSION TO OPR HR WILL ONLY BE GRANTED IN EXCEPTIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES DUE TO RWY EXTENSION WORKS AND ONLY WITH PERMISSION OF
AIRPORT DUTY MANAGER (02380 697924)
Could indicate that all or most of the work will take place at night with the RWY strip ends/RESAs restored each day.
Awaiting the next instalment! We may get the project unfolding in bite sized portions via NOTAMs rather than an overview via an SI. That said, good to see that things are at last apparently moving
Q)EGTT/QFAAH/IV/BO/A/000/999/5057N00121W005B)2303260530 C)2306262115 E)AD OPERATING HOURS
MON-SAT 0530-2100
SUN 0630-2100
ANY EXTENSION TO OPR HR WILL ONLY BE GRANTED IN EXCEPTIONAL
CIRCUMSTANCES DUE TO RWY EXTENSION WORKS AND ONLY WITH PERMISSION OF
AIRPORT DUTY MANAGER (02380 697924)
Could indicate that all or most of the work will take place at night with the RWY strip ends/RESAs restored each day.
Awaiting the next instalment! We may get the project unfolding in bite sized portions via NOTAMs rather than an overview via an SI. That said, good to see that things are at last apparently moving
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A "W pattern" on steroids and an operational nightmare to recover when it goes wrong.