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Because the inconvenient truth is that the trees have preservation orders on them so are legally protected. If they just gave permission they would be subject to all sorts of legal challenges.
The truth is that this application has little to do with safety but allowing the runway to gain extra performance. I suspect the Council will be aware of this.
The truth is that this application has little to do with safety but allowing the runway to gain extra performance. I suspect the Council will be aware of this.
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I'd challenge you to fly the emergency turn procedure off R20 in the sim and tell me that this has got little to do with safety! For those operating in and out of SOU on a daily basis, the airport's position is clear and obvious. It also undertook a lot of work on the copse and the work in all but the most critical area was agreed by the council, but the council then ducked the approval process for the one area of the copse in which the most limiting obstacles (trees) are located. It's been a political fudge by the council up to this point, so SOU is now doing the right thing and recognising it for the safety issue that it is.
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I don't think it's as clear cut as that. Southampton isn't currently unsafe to operate to and from.
The inspector's decision on the last appeal stated the airport failed to outline their intentions clearly and provided no evidence re the impact of the trees on airspace or potential commercial viability.
With that in mind, it's hard to blame this all on the council. Seems like the airport omitted several bits of evidence to properly support their case.
The inspector's decision on the last appeal stated the airport failed to outline their intentions clearly and provided no evidence re the impact of the trees on airspace or potential commercial viability.
With that in mind, it's hard to blame this all on the council. Seems like the airport omitted several bits of evidence to properly support their case.
I don't think it's as clear cut as that. Southampton isn't currently unsafe to operate to and from.
The inspector's decision on the last appeal stated the airport failed to outline their intentions clearly and provided no evidence re the impact of the trees on airspace or potential commercial viability.
With that in mind, it's hard to blame this all on the council. Seems like the airport omitted several bits of evidence to properly support their case.
The inspector's decision on the last appeal stated the airport failed to outline their intentions clearly and provided no evidence re the impact of the trees on airspace or potential commercial viability.
With that in mind, it's hard to blame this all on the council. Seems like the airport omitted several bits of evidence to properly support their case.
The option of a 15 degree turn is not primarily an emergency turn procedure, albeit that some operators may utilise it as such. The relevant Type A Chart depicts the improved obstacle environment that is present if a turn is possible.
Engine failure procedures are company/fleet dependent. If there is a 15 degree turn option off RW20 at SOU, it’s not being used by the performance engineers that do our calculations. However the option may have been rejected because of wind effects on the ‘moving cone’ of the turn. There was a really onerous EFP at RW03 (Right turn at 50’ or Departure end of runway whichever came first, through 80 degrees) at ACE that had different maximum take off mass limits depending on the wind speed and direction (about 4 different cases) due to its effect on the ground track of the turn.
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easyJet to Glasgow
Flew up to Glasgow this evening on the new easyJet route. I estimate between 130140 PAX, which I expect has been inflated due to the 2 cancelled Loganair’s today. All round good service.
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Seems EZY A319 from GLA had 100 pax inbound this evening. Not bad for its first visit and would imagine this route will only improve. Loganair would have some competition if it was more regular as you can be sure that both business/leisure users have jumped on this service as a cost alternative!
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Depends what yield they can generate on just a few rotations a week. Putting bums on seats means nothing to the bean counters. LM have a robust operation, offering frequency at a price. Interesting to see what U2 start next summer, if it is indeed them to start rotations. SOU need to get an airline to make an announcement if indeed anything is starting next year as I and others have already booked from LGW and LHR.
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Loganair do indeed have a robust operation at Southampton and they have increased services accordingly
EDI now x 5
GLA now x 4
NCL x 2
Winter 23/ 24
The fares are pretty high granted but demand is there for sure
A question though , let’s ruin it by getting EasyJet in operating 2 flights a day at ridiculous hours and see what happens
EDI now x 5
GLA now x 4
NCL x 2
Winter 23/ 24
The fares are pretty high granted but demand is there for sure
A question though , let’s ruin it by getting EasyJet in operating 2 flights a day at ridiculous hours and see what happens
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Easyjet could well compliment the Loganair service. One leg easyjet one leg Loganair for more flexibility so increasing the demand for Loganair as not everyone will find easyJet’s limited schedule convenient. One leg each will also reduce the total cost.
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Depends what yield they can generate on just a few rotations a week. Putting bums on seats means nothing to the bean counters. LM have a robust operation, offering frequency at a price. Interesting to see what U2 start next summer, if it is indeed them to start rotations. SOU need to get an airline to make an announcement if indeed anything is starting next year as I and others have already booked from LGW and LHR.
Much needed for the airports viable future
November and 1st half of December is often packed with new route announcements for the following summer. I have no knowledge of what will happen at SOU... but I think there is still plenty of time to hear something good. If nothing is announced by Xmas... then you can worry.
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This will end in tears for one airline who has stuck with the route consistently through thick and thin and another who will give random times, fares and then P… off !!
Compliment ???
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All depends if Easyjet increase its frequency. If they do it could well kill off Loganair but if they don’t split legs are more likely meaning an unaffordable return using just Loganair could become affordable if one leg was via Easyjet so stimulating demand for Loganair.
An example would be if I fly out say on a Thursday to GLA with Easyjet and want to return on a Sunday my choice is train or Loganair so Loganair could pick up business for a journey I might not have made in the first place if it wasn’t for Easyjet.
An example would be if I fly out say on a Thursday to GLA with Easyjet and want to return on a Sunday my choice is train or Loganair so Loganair could pick up business for a journey I might not have made in the first place if it wasn’t for Easyjet.
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I don’t think the odd person using Loganair who wouldn’t have made the trip had they not been able to use EZY for the other leg will in any way make up for the traffic Loganair would have carried that will be lost to EZY.
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A few moons ago I used to have to travel between BRS and NCL a bit with work.
Trying to use the easyJet schedule between the two was a nightmare as it flip flopped all over the place throughout the week. It often meant a flight one way and a long drive in a car rental or the train the other way.
That's the risk for SOU if easyjet push Loganair completely out. You will gain cheaper fares but at the cost of flexibility and a more regular predictable service.. And if the company is paying for them, most people travelling for work will take flexibility over cost and a 5 hr drive all day long.
Trying to use the easyJet schedule between the two was a nightmare as it flip flopped all over the place throughout the week. It often meant a flight one way and a long drive in a car rental or the train the other way.
That's the risk for SOU if easyjet push Loganair completely out. You will gain cheaper fares but at the cost of flexibility and a more regular predictable service.. And if the company is paying for them, most people travelling for work will take flexibility over cost and a 5 hr drive all day long.
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Inflated or not, it’s immaterial as EZY will see this as valuable data for possible future use when going up against competition and the opportunity to maybe scale up this service!
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