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I thought most airports incentive schemes worked on the basis that routes already served by other airlines get little or no discount, while opening routes not currently served can see a large discount. Does SOU do things differently ? Or are SOU just desperate for Easyjet to start some flights as a way of getting their foot in the door ? And yes, I can understand why SOU might be bending over backwards to favour Easyjet
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judging by the success AGS has had at SOU to date with new routes, I very much doubt it
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What are AGS up to? Once again BOH adds another new route to regional France, Nantes (SOU bread and butter over the years) and yet the airport owners seem to be asleep at the wheel whilst all else goes on around them!
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Maybe the MD left as he was fed up of being treated as a yes man within the AGS empire? The airport desperately requires new routes, not routes already served by other carriers but I’m not sure we will ever see these. Seems the usual concentration of domestics with a basic smattering of Med instead of a little out the box thinking. Been mentioned elsewhere that GLA has also suffered under this style of leadership over the years
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A little unfair, I think. Given the “Green” pressures how many uk airports have managed a runway extension in recent years? I think there are far too many impatient and unrealistic posters on here. I think whether EZY and others expand at SOU will be very dependent on how this year’s sunshine routes do.
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A little unfair, I think. Given the “Green” pressures how many uk airports have managed a runway extension in recent years? I think there are far too many impatient and unrealistic posters on here. I think whether EZY and others expand at SOU will be very dependent on how this year’s sunshine routes do.
Another thing I’m sure no one on here has considered is how convenient it is BOH have had a flurry of activity around the time SOU opens it’s longer runway. Why might that be? BOH trying to mark their territory? Giving big incentives to long standing operators FR/TUI to do a little more at BOH after 10 years of not very much at all? Have a big enough range of routes that it might make EZY think twice of moving in at SOU? Desperate acts from an airport that knows its competitor is real threat. It’s not sustainable and perhaps SOU is being run like a proper business rather than giving extreme incentives to new operators. If things return to normal then EZY will have to grow outside the usual London airports again and SOU is now ready to cater for it. Especially when they start taking the additional 200 odd neos they have on order. The market will always be here ant SOU along with the transport links.
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There is no technical reason why Ryanair couldn't operate all but two of their Bournemouth flights out of Southampton. Maybe SOU airport should have approached Ryanair?
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Why do you assume it's the airport and not simply Ryanair trying to add a bit of extra growth from an airport they've long operated from?
There is no technical reason why Ryanair couldn't operate all but two of their Bournemouth flights out of Southampton. Maybe SOU airport should have approached Ryanair?
There is no technical reason why Ryanair couldn't operate all but two of their Bournemouth flights out of Southampton. Maybe SOU airport should have approached Ryanair?
SOUzanne beware of the devil as the old song goes
The market will always be here ant SOU along with the transport links
Desperate acts from an airport that knows its competitor is real threat. It’s not sustainable and perhaps SOU is being run like a proper business rather than giving extreme incentives to new operators.
Patience needed indeed.
Perhaps worth remembering that for all the fuss about the runway extension at SOU...it's still not actually that long and significantly shorter than BOH. Fine for an A320 to Edinburgh... but doesn't quite stretch to a fully-loaded 738 going to a major leisure destination in winter, namely the Canaries
Giving big incentives to long standing operators FR/TUI to do a little more at BOH after 10 years of not very much at all? Have a big enough range of routes that it might make EZY think twice of moving in at SOU? Desperate acts from an airport that knows its competitor is real threat. It’s not sustainable and perhaps SOU is being run like a proper business rather than giving extreme incentives to new operators.
See also GLA vs. EDI, PIK vs. GLA, INV vs. ABZ, NCL vs. MME, LPL vs. MAN vs. LBA, BRS vs. CWL and every airport with "London" in the name vs. each other...
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Perhaps worth remembering that for all the fuss about the runway extension at SOU...it's still not actually that long and significantly shorter than BOH. Fine for an A320 to Edinburgh... but doesn't quite stretch to a fully-loaded 738 going to a major leisure destination in winter, namely the Canaries
BOH has developed an ever increasing base of TUI and Ryanair 738,and this is the rub ,the airport operating times allow this to be effective,something SOU will not be able to do with the restrictive operation hours.
Bournemouth also seems to have a progressive and effective management team that are adding a expanding destination list ,while Southampton management team seem to be still stuck in first gear.
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Regardless of what some people seem to believe on here, airports have only a very small influence over where/when airlines fly to/from unless there's a very large cheque on the table. Most airlines have a roadmap of when/where they want to expand to/from, certainly for the next 3/4 seasons, already mapped out subject to aircraft/crew availability (at least the decent ones do!)
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Maybe we need to be a little patient and realistic. Because the runway extension was completed just 4 months ago doesn’t constitute an immediate influx of operators and routes. The airport has already announced their intention to register 1m pax in 2024 and this with the current timetable is eminently achievable. In order to reach a break even and beyond, it will only require the likes of easyJet to add some frequency to current Med routes (assuming they are a success this summer of course) and maybe add a handful of further destinations including the likes of MAN and 1.5m is back in sight, again this will not be reached overnight and yet probably fits in with their mid term forecasts. No doubt there will be a few reductions and additions (airlines and routes) along the way but guess this is all part of the joys of regional connectivity and not being a large central hub. It can seem rather frustrating that announcements are few and far between but I am confident they will come and lead the airport back to a certain level of financial security.
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Maybe we need to be a little patient and realistic. Because the runway extension was completed just 4 months ago doesn’t constitute an immediate influx of operators and routes. The airport has already announced their intention to register 1m pax in 2024 and this with the current timetable is eminently achievable. In order to reach a break even and beyond, it will only require the likes of easyJet to add some frequency to current Med routes (assuming they are a success this summer of course) and maybe add a handful of further destinations including the likes of MAN and 1.5m is back in sight, again this will not be reached overnight and yet probably fits in with their mid term forecasts. No doubt there will be a few reductions and additions (airlines and routes) along the way but guess this is all part of the joys of regional connectivity and not being a large central hub. It can seem rather frustrating that announcements are few and far between but I am confident they will come and lead the airport back to a certain level of financial security.
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Perhaps worth remembering that for all the fuss about the runway extension at SOU...it's still not actually that long and significantly shorter than BOH. Fine for an A320 to Edinburgh... but doesn't quite stretch to a fully-loaded 738 going to a major leisure destination in winter, namely the Canaries