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Old 19th Jan 2024, 16:00
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
BHD Nov 23 was down 600 on Nov 22, but there again Sept and Oct were down even more on the same months in 22
EDI Nov 23 was down too by over 1,100 on Nov 22. Could be as a result of Ryanair down the road?
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Old 19th Jan 2024, 18:22
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Domestic stats

Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
EDI Nov 23 was down too by over 1,100 on Nov 22. Could be as a result of Ryanair down the road?
I imagine its much more likely a result of huge growth at other airports used by southern travellers:

From CAA November 23 for EDI vs 2022 in round numbers.

BHX up 13k
LHR up 23k
LGW up 3k
BRS up 18k
BOH up 4k
SOU down 1k

Competition is biting and it looks that particularly LHR and BRS are winning the market share.


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Old 19th Jan 2024, 20:22
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That is quite a reasonable assumption, I used Flybe NCL-SOU to get to Bristol before, and it was a breeze. So I reckon there's a fair share of people that would leak to BRS out of SOU's catchment.
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Old 19th Jan 2024, 20:33
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Radical maybe but is the time coming for a couple of 319 easyjet based to service all domestic inc BHD, GLA, EDI, MAN and NCL? Looking at latest CAA stats, one would imagine Loganair are starting to feel the pinch from competition and load/yield is suffering accordingly due their business model of only 49 seat aircraft. Don’t want to see frequency removed but not sure for how much longer it will be viable whilst continuing to charge their ridiculous seat prices and leaking business to easyJet and other regional airports. I feel something has to give in the not too distant future. Just my thoughts
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Old 19th Jan 2024, 21:57
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[QUOTE=SKOJB;11579512]Radical maybe but is the time coming for a couple of 319 easyjet based to service all domestic inc BHD, GLA, EDI, MAN and NCL? ……/QUOTE]

Believe that EZY are phasing out the A319s. How about Air Baltic UK with A220-300s? The aeroplane built for SOU?
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Old 20th Jan 2024, 09:11
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Noticed that today there are 3 Easyjet GVA rotations (one more than normally scheduled on a Sat this winter). Hopefully that means the route is performing well.
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Old 20th Jan 2024, 09:59
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Noticed that today there are 3 Easyjet GVA rotations (one more than normally scheduled on a Sat this winter). Hopefully that means the route is performing well.
All of the Consultants and Surgeons are off on their SKI Hols LOL (well mine are anyway)
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 06:49
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Lots of Go Arounds and ultimate Diversions around the UK last night, and in the afternoon, due to the Storm with many diversions going off to various places including Overseas.
Most UK airports that were still open had to then refuse diversions due to no ramp space left.

Had it on good ear last night, that SOU planned to stay open late, to accept up to 4 Airbus Diversions, but not sure if the weather then turned against them for that.
I note that most scheduled flights due into SOU after 1500 hours were all cancelled by the Airlines. (KLM, Loganair, Aer Lingus, Blue Islands)
The GVA and a JER managed to get in and out.


An EasyJet EDI-BRS went to CDG !
Why on earth it even departed EDI I really have no idea - !
They could not go back to EDI due >55 knots Crosswinds.
What an operational mess - Pax with no Passports etc...
Did EZY Ops not read the Bristol TAF ?

IMHO these LoCo Domestic, and Euro flights could/should have been Cancelled, and would then not disrupt today's schedule with the Pax, Crews, and the Planes now all over the show.
But hey ho that's above my Pay Grade today LOL.

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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 08:05
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[QUOTE=TCAS FAN;11579547]
Originally Posted by SKOJB
Radical maybe but is the time coming for a couple of 319 easyjet based to service all domestic inc BHD, GLA, EDI, MAN and NCL? ……/QUOTE]

Believe that EZY are phasing out the A319s. How about Air Baltic UK with A220-300s? The aeroplane built for SOU?
It would be interesting to see an airline based around the A220 flying regional routes around Europe - probably more expensive than a real LCO but cheaper than the likes of Loganair
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 10:16
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Originally Posted by rog747

Had it on good ear last night, that SOU planned to stay open late, to accept up to 4 Airbus Diversions, but not sure if the weather then turned against them for that.
I note that most scheduled flights due into SOU after 1500 hours were all cancelled by the Airlines. (KLM, Loganair, Aer Lingus, Blue Islands)
The GVA and a JER managed to get in and out.
I would guess a major issue at SOU was that its runway width is only 37m wide and not the standard 46m.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 10:25
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I would guess a major issue at SOU was that its runway width is only 37m wide and not the standard 46m.
Wasn't a problem at SEN yesterday, their runway is only 36M wide!
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 10:39
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Depends which direction the runway points and the wind speed at each airport.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 11:49
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Depends which direction the runway points and the wind speed at each airport.
Take a look at FR24 historical METAR data, SOU did not have a crosswind problem yesterday, the wind was almost straight down the runway all day. The problem was crosswinds at departure airports with a likelihood that aircraft could get back in on the return sector from SOU, with the knock on effect of devastating today's schedules.
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Old 22nd Jan 2024, 13:44
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Head for Points visits Southampton Airport
I visit Southampton to see why 164m of new runway is a big deal (headforpoints.com)
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[QUOTE=Asturias56;11580928]
Originally Posted by TCAS FAN

It would be interesting to see an airline based around the A220 flying regional routes around Europe - probably more expensive than a real LCO but cheaper than the likes of Loganair
I can see why people suggest it but i think the following need to be considered -
1/ in the first instance it will be interesting to see how EZY’s sunshine flights do. If they don’t prove extremely popular, given EZY’s very strong brand and recognition factor, there wouldn’t be much hope for a lesser known carrier operating an aircraft with higher ASK costs. 2/ if lesser known carrier did establish an operation with A220s successfully then there is a high risk that EZY or another with A320s would jump on it. You could of course say that the A220 operator should restrict itself to longer routes that the A320 cannot economically operate from SOU but that wouldn’t work as you need a mix of varying sector lengths to schedule effectively. 3/ it’s raised often enough but you have to consider SOU opening hours. If the last inbound of the day is regularly sent to BOH it would quickly kill the operation. The alternative of night stopping away is very expensive in terms of crew, hotac etc and really not feasible.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
I can see why people suggest it but i think the following need to be considered -
1/ in the first instance it will be interesting to see how EZY’s sunshine flights do. If they don’t prove extremely popular, given EZY’s very strong brand and recognition factor, there wouldn’t be much hope for a lesser known carrier operating an aircraft with higher ASK costs. 2/ if lesser known carrier did establish an operation with A220s successfully then there is a high risk that EZY or another with A320s would jump on it. You could of course say that the A220 operator should restrict itself to longer routes that the A320 cannot economically operate from SOU but that wouldn’t work as you need a mix of varying sector lengths to schedule effectively. 3/ it’s raised often enough but you have to consider SOU opening hours. If the last inbound of the day is regularly sent to BOH it would quickly kill the operation. The alternative of night stopping away is very expensive in terms of crew, hotac etc and really not feasible.
Excellent assessment ,indeed if Easy don't do well on there limited Sunshine routes then the break even 1.2 mill Pax will be a pipe dream. The outstanding problem for SOU is the opening hours,unless there is flexibility with these there is no prospect of based aircraft ,a big restriction for any carrier.

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What is the cost per ASK of a 220 with modern engines compared with a 319 with older engines?
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
Excellent assessment ,indeed if Easy don't do well on there limited Sunshine routes then the break even 1.2 mill Pax will be a pipe dream. The outstanding problem for SOU is the opening hours,unless there is flexibility with these there is no prospect of based aircraft ,a big restriction for any carrier.
Is your record stuck? Over and over again!
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[QUOTE=SouthernAlliance;11581298]
Originally Posted by RW20

Is your record stuck? Over and over again!
Can you offer a viable answer to SOU restrictions ?or is it just continued criticism!


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[QUOTE=RW20;11581311]
Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
Can you offer a viable answer to SOU restrictions ?or is it just continued criticism!


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Post 2454 will give you an idea of my optimism for the future
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