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Old 1st Dec 2023, 21:22
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Originally Posted by rog747
Yes, correct they are,
hence my sentence above re no joined up thinking at BA and at SOU....(missed opportunity yet again)
In the Tui app you can book a holiday based on SOU-PMI on, for eg, Tue 4 June, flight courtesy of BA, direct. But in the BA I see no such flight ?!
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Old 1st Dec 2023, 22:06
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Extended the runway and now up for sale? https://www.travelmole.com/news/four...y-up-for-sale/
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Old 1st Dec 2023, 23:04
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Originally Posted by inOban
Sotonsean states that the coaches are operated on on behalf of the cruise companies. Any flights would presumably be the same - it may be that EZY flights from BFS and GLA are largely prebooked in the same way.

For MAN the advantages of the coaches - the ability of the coach to pick up at various places en route, and avoid a separate coach from SOU to the cruise terminal - may outweigh the faster flight.

What would be interesting would be flights bringing cruise passengers from the continent but Brexit may have ruined that.
What's interesting is that Cunard arrange a coach transfer for the Queen Mary 2 transatlantic sailings direct from the cruise terminals to London St Pancras Station for passengers using the Eurostar.

Prior to the collapse of Flybe and BMI, the former German routes were fairly popular with cruise traffic.

Passengers from mainland Europe travelling to the Port of Southampton to join their cruise tend to use LGW and LHR and transfer by coach direct to the port's cruise terminals.

If only there were better options direct from mainland Europe to Southampton Airport.

With the majority of the ship crews originating from the east, the crew changes can be quite intensive. The majority of them travel via LGW and LHR, usually with Emirates. There are also times when members of crew also use the KLM flight from Southampton.

Bit of nostalgia regarding previous cruise ship charters.

Way back in May 1980 Norwegian Cruise Line had two charter flights into Southampton Airport in connection with their latest ship at the time the elegant SS NORWAY.

The two flights consisted of a Braathens SAFE Boeing 737-200 and a Nor Fly Convair 580, both flights were from Oslo.

In the June of 1980 Cunard had two charter flights to Southampton Airport connecting with a transatlantic crossing on the Queen Elizabeth 2.

The two flights consisted of a Sterling Airways Caravelle from Copenhagen and a Transavia Boeing 737-200 from Amsterdam.

On a slightly humorous note, an American passenger once asked me if Southampton had an airport after she had seen a plane in the air.

That passenger was taking the coach transfer to LHR to connect with a flight to the USA.

After I had informed her that Southampton did indeed have an airport her immediate question was "can you fly to New York from Southampton".

If only 😪
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 08:57
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Cruise passengers seem to carry a lot more luggage than airline passengers.
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 09:25
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Cruise passengers seem to carry a lot more luggage than airline passengers.
Not necessarily, on the cruises that Mrs TCAS and I have been on one of the busiest parts of the ships has been the onboard launderette!

If you book a fly-cruise the free baggage allowance isn't great.
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 09:56
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well I've only done a little cruising but I've delivered and collected various friends from the dockside - and everyone seems to have at least 50kg of stuff!

It's all the ball gowns and DJ's I guess on the smart boats and the survival kit on the expedition boats
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 11:06
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
well I've only done a little cruising but I've delivered and collected various friends from the dockside - and everyone seems to have at least 50kg of stuff!

It's all the ball gowns and DJ's I guess on the smart boats and the survival kit on the expedition boats
Sounds interestingícruisingí and picking people up on the dockside lol.😜🙄😱!
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 11:13
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Southampton docks? Really I don't think so................
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 16:12
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Talking

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well I've only done a little cruising but I've delivered and collected various friends from the dockside -

Oh that was you!!
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 17:12
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In other news

Reuters reporting that AGS, the owners of Aberdeen, Glasgow & Southampton Airport are expected to sell these airports in 2024. GIP also selling out of EDI apparently.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deal...ls-2023-12-01/

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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 18:37
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[QUOTE=Flitefone;11550105]Reuters reporting that AGS, the owners of Aberdeen, Glasgow & Southampton Airport are expected to sell these airports in 2024. GIP also selling out of EDI apparently.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/heathrow-stake-sale-opens-door-resurgence-airport-deals-202

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Would this be good for the airport,or is the airport going down the Southend road?
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 19:11
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[QUOTE=RW20;11550143]
Originally Posted by Flitefone
Reuters reporting that AGS, the owners of Aberdeen, Glasgow & Southampton Airport are expected to sell these airports in 2024. GIP also selling out of EDI apparently.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/heathrow-stake-sale-opens-door-resurgence-airport-deals-202

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Would this be good for the airport,or is the airport going down the Southend road?
Oh dear lord, you honestly think SOU is currently going down the same road as SEN?

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Old 3rd Dec 2023, 15:25
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Some usual ill informed comments on here. The summer sees 4-5 cruise ships in a day some of which hold 5,000 passengers plus 800 crew. So yeah a lot more than the fool who was suggesting itís a small operation on some days. In fact there were 2 ships in the other day and itís December!

The MAN route certainly didnít see 200k annual passengers because of cruise ship passengers though. I reckon it would still see close to those numbers with a reliable service, certainly if itís low cost fairs.

As to those still bringing up the ridiculous argument about loyalty to the incumbent carriers, remember this goes both ways and airlines will pull out of an airport if it doesnít suit them. Also SOU put a numbers vid up and as of now passengers are at 670k for the year. If you genuinely think LM with their tiny little 50 seater jets are of value to SOU think again. As Iíve said before if LM had invested in larger aircraft to operate the SOU routes then perhaps there could be some sympathy but in reality they are just making hay when the sun shines.

Even the so called bulletproof reliable KLM are cancelling flights often including both flights today which is absolutely disgusting. I have no sympathy for these airlines when EZY push them out of all their routes. Competition is key. When a much more limited operation down the road is currently attracting more passengers itís time for change.
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Old 3rd Dec 2023, 15:34
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Loganair accounted for just under a third of Southampton's total pax figures from last year.

I don't think the airport will share you attitude in being so entirely dismissive of them.
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Old 3rd Dec 2023, 19:55
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Loganair accounted for just under a third of Southampton's total pax figures from last year.

I don't think the airport will share you attitude in being so entirely dismissive of them.
And yet they have the most rotations each day. Shouldnít they be providing 50% plus of the total pax? Oh yeah they canít with their tiny planes and high charges they have to charge as a result. I like Logan but SOU is not going to go back into the black with them operating. You have to say they are merely slot sitting rather than making a go of it.

I seem to recall that most of Flybeís profitable routes were from SOU so Iím sure Logan are doing very well out of them at the moment so letís not feel sorry for them.
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Old 3rd Dec 2023, 22:47
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[QUOTE=Rivet Joint;11550682 I seem to recall that most of Flybeís profitable routes were from SOU so Iím sure Logan are doing very well out of them at the moment so letís not feel sorry for them.[/QUOTE]

Garbage. Most profitable routes were from BHX. SOUMAN was a profitable route, however.
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Old 4th Dec 2023, 08:36
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Rivet Joint - what a load of utter nonsense.

I have to presume that my earlier comments about Port of Southampton are those youíre referring to. There are indeed lots of days, especially on summer weekends, when there are four or five vessels on turnaround and throughput of 10-20k passengers. There are lots of other days when there are no port turnarounds scheduled. Itís a very ďlumpyĒ
demand pattern to fit air services and if you had done any research before spouting off, youíd see it for yourself.

As to Flybe and Loganair: well, Flybe went bust (twice) for a reason. Loganair is still here after however many decades it is. It was not good for Southampton to have 90% of its business with one airline and the airport is now far better placed with a mix of airlines including Aer Lingus, KLM, Loganair, Blue Islands and Aurigny. Although smaller and still needing to grow, the airport is far more robust as a result.

Loganair presumably do not want to repeat the mistakes that Flybe made and who can blame them. If you donít like it, thatís fine but comments about slot sitting are also nonsense - how can you ďslot sitĒ at airports which are not slot coordinated?

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Old 4th Dec 2023, 09:27
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Loganair are the classic example of what it takes to survive as a regional airline in the Uk - the number of competitors that they've had over time shows that.

Lets be honest - SOU is lucky to have them - the place would be pretty sparse otherwise.

The alternatives are LCA's - and they are ruthless at cost control and market. They will come if and when it suits them - not the airport.
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Old 4th Dec 2023, 10:23
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A little patience and reality is needed from many of the thread posters on here but itís great to see the airport bouncing back strongly and will continue to do so I am certain now the runway extension is in place. SOU for too long was overly reliant on one airline and with the mix of airlines now operating (big and small), it looks to have a good future, even with whispers of an imminent sale. Letís not forget as per my previous posting that pax numbers are likely to hit 1m by 2024 end, a great milestone from the depths of despair with BE/Covid back in 2020. The airport has come a long way in a relatively short space of time and will most likely look different again within the next 12 months!
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Southern Alliance, I think that's a very measured response and one I do agree with, especially the call for patience.

However, even with patience I can't escape the feeling next summer's offering feels underwhelming. Southampton didn't build the runway extension so easy could go head to head on domestic routes, especially when there was nothing technically stopping them doing it before the extension was built.

Easyjet have showed the slimmest of enthusiasm so far for the airport in terms of operating the much sought after Sun routes. By way of comparison, SeanM1997 has announced Ryanair will open Norwich routes to Malta, Faro and Alicante next summer. A quick calculation shows they will offer more seats on those sun routes then easyjet are offering at Southampton to PMI, Alicante and Faro.
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