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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 10:18
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Maybe its something to do with giving the Jet2 groundstaff something to do after the second 'wave' of flights has departed?
I wonder what the take up of the opportunity is?
Maybe its handy if you are one of the 06.00 departure flights - drop bags pm previous day, check in on airport hotel for the night etc. Makes the early morning tussle a bit easier?
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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
Maybe its something to do with giving the Jet2 groundstaff something to do after the second 'wave' of flights has departed?
I wonder what the take up of the opportunity is?
Maybe its handy if you are one of the 06.00 departure flights - drop bags pm previous day, check in on airport hotel for the night etc. Makes the early morning tussle a bit easier?
Cetainly, at Gatwick that is the case,. We (when I was there) would expect to receive about 300 twighlight bags and the majority of these passengers were staying in the hotels on site.
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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 11:41
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
Suppose might be beneficial if you were overnighting in an onsite airport hotel.
Exactly that.
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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 13:04
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
with the launch of more Twilight Check-Ins at other UK airports, am I missing the attraction? So you need to travel to the airport for a second trip (finding and paying for parking) then lug over luggage and then go home again only to repeat it at eg 6am the next morning in order to avoid a check in queue? Suppose might be beneficial if you were overnighting in an onsite airport hotel.
Not everyone lives just down the road from the Airport they are flying from so a lot will stay in a hotel the night before, usually on site.
The benefits are more for the Airports and ground handlers. It means less people queueing to check bags in, less bags having to be processed through security x-rays and along congested baggage belts, less rush for the baggage sorters to deal with.
For passengers it can mean not needing to get up so early and avoiding check-in queues. It also means less queuing time for the people that are dropping bags off in the morning.

If as a random figure, 15 passengers + 15 bags per flight do twilight check-in, with say 8 early flights going that's 120 less people to deal with.
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Take LBA as the example. 4 737-300 departures today and 9 737-800 first thing. That's a total of 2293 passengers so let's assume 2293 bags. If they can capture only 10% of those passengers is 230 bags and 230 passengers less to process at check in first thing. A simple increase to 12% and suddenly 275 bags and 275 less passengers.

Jet2 will have the data on hand to know what flights this works on and what flights it doesn't. For example I would imagine they get a greater % using twilight check in for the earlier morning flights (before 7) than those who are flying at 830/9am.
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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 14:48
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
Take LBA as the example. 4 737-300 departures today and 9 737-800 first thing. That's a total of 2293 passengers so let's assume 2293 bags. If they can capture only 10% of those passengers is 230 bags and 230 passengers less to process at check in first thing. A simple increase to 12% and suddenly 275 bags and 275 less passengers.

Jet2 will have the data on hand to know what flights this works on and what flights it doesn't. For example I would imagine they get a greater % using twilight check in for the earlier morning flights (before 7) than those who are flying at 830/9am.
This is true at LGW - mainly flights before 07:30. We'd get a few for later flights but not many, which was just as well as you'd end up with bags for 2 seaparate flights coming down the same baggage chutes. Not ideal. easyJet at Gatwick only allow twighlight bags for departures the following day up until 08:30.
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Rhodes

Jet2 cancelled all holidays to Rhodes now up to and including next Sunday. Still running flights to pickup sheduled returns and anyone wishing to abandon holiday due to some hotels being closed and no accommodation anywhere else.
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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 16:38
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Jet2 cancelled all holidays to Rhodes now up to and including next Sunday. Still running flights to pickup sheduled returns and anyone wishing to abandon holiday due to some hotels being closed and no accommodation anywhere else.
I read that in the media this morning and it set me thinking.

Assuming at least some of the UK/RHO services are scheduled, in that they are very likely to have passengers booked for flights only, are they really positioning aircraft out and effectively cancelling flight only passengers, or is the reality that just ITs are cancelled?

Easyjet Holidays has cancelled ITs but media reports that the scheduled flights continue to carry non IT passengers.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
I read that in the media this morning and it set me thinking.

Assuming at least some of the UK/RHO services are scheduled, in that they are very likely to have passengers booked for flights only, are they really positioning aircraft out and effectively cancelling flight only passengers, or is the reality that just ITs are cancelled?

Easyjet Holidays has cancelled ITs but media reports that the scheduled flights continue to carry non IT passengers.
Jet2 announcement say "flight & holiday programme" so if you are booked on a seat only you might be disappointed.
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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 17:37
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Originally Posted by pabely
Jet2 announcement say "flight & holiday programme" so if you are booked on a seat only you might be disappointed.
Fortunately not!

Not flying ticketed passengers for whom, aside delivering safely to the destination airport, they take no legal responsibility for, seems a bit like a self inflicted wound. Unless of course the Greek government has instructed airlines not to carry passengers to Rhodes.

Some of the booked passengers could be Greeks or others returning home, and would be pretty miffed to be left stranded in UK by Jet2.
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https://www.jet2.com/en/latest-travel-information
That reads to me like zero pax outbound regardless.
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https://www.jet2.com/en/latest-travel-information
That reads to me like zero pax outbound regardless.
Indeed it does. I must say if I were a normal passenger (not on a package) I would now have to think twice before booking with Jet2 who appear to have evolved from a 'proper airline' into a vehicle to carry IT passengers for the in-house tour operator, pretty much as TUI are.
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I noted that pretty much all of TUIs programmes across Europe are arriving with flight codes ending in P which are classed as positioning flights only.
Perhaps the Greeks have enforced this as reports of people sleeping on sunloungers as no rooms available. Remember the local population will be displaced as well.
I would be worried if RYR pax, they are only obliged to get you from A to B, not their problem if you have booked accommodation via third party.
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Originally Posted by pabely
I noted that pretty much all of TUIs programmes across Europe are arriving with flight codes ending in P which are classed as positioning flights only.
Perhaps the Greeks have enforced this as reports of people sleeping on sunloungers as no rooms available. Remember the local population will be displaced as well.
I would be worried if RYR pax, they are only obliged to get you from A to B, not their problem if you have booked accommodation via third party.
Seen an interview with the Greek tourism minister who sounded irritated since most of Rhodes isn't on fire, so I would doubt that the cancellations are driven by Athens.
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Damned if they do, damned if they don't...
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Old 23rd Jul 2023, 18:41
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One wonders the full reason. Jet2 flights are reported as both arriving and departing at Rhodes pretty normally from the normal range of UK points. Possibly that message is meant to be addressed to package holiday clients and not those seat-only.
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Independent reporting all Jet2 & TUI flights leaving UK empty. With winds forecast to get stronger tomorrow and the current fires still out of control, I think it is a good move.
Usual headlines "I thought I was going to die. It was like he'll on earth" "The end of the world"
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In my view there are two very different types of passenger. First the package customer for whom the tour operator is responsible for everything, probably including the wiping of bottoms, from the second the flight leaves UK to when it lands back. Cancel those bookings, the corporate risk is too great. Then there are Janet and John who live on Rhodes and have come to UK for whatever reason using Jet2 the airpine. Why Cancel their booking? The aircraft is flying, crew being paid, and the airline's liability doesn't extend beyond Rhodes Airport. What is the problem with honouring that booking?
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
In my view there are two very different types of passenger. First the package customer for whom the tour operator is responsible for everything, probably including the wiping of bottoms, from the second the flight leaves UK to when it lands back. Cancel those bookings, the corporate risk is too great. Then there are Janet and John who live on Rhodes and have come to UK for whatever reason using Jet2 the airpine. Why Cancel their booking? The aircraft is flying, crew being paid, and the airline's liability doesn't extend beyond Rhodes Airport. What is the problem with honouring that booking?
Perhaps to the checkin staff they cannot see the difference, they do not want to risk taking people on holidays which they cannot give or to stop people at checkin who maybe denied but just seen Jack and Jill who they have been talking to in the queue, have their boarding accepted.
I have had experience on a TUI flight, booked our holiday as soon as it was available, allocated seats ASAP, checked in on-line did checked luggage all great.
Once on plane someone in our seats, she showed us her ticket, it had our seat numbers. Once the chief flight attendant called, pax made the mistake saying she had booked flight only via third party.
Instantly became third class citizen and told to move and to take it up with whom had made the booking. Moral, be wary of booking seat only on a holiday airline company. Don't know if she would have been treated differently if booked seat only through TUI, probably only second class!

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Who actually knows if Jet2 offers seat only to Rhodes? A lot of this chatter could be academic.
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